can you beat a keyworded domain?

[kvnkane]

im trying to rank for a certain keyword but the keyword already has the .com taken. i bought a domain and created a website in a related niche but it doesnt have the keyword in the domain, however the sites like 5 days old and on the 4th page of google.

ive built some good content and im getting around 40 visitors a day which isnt too bad, so my question is would i be able to out rank the keyworded domain with enough backlinks pointing to my site?

[seoweb2000]

You need aged backlinks, so as your backlinks get older you will move up.
Try doing social bookmarking your site from many different accts, dont spam and book mark internal pages too.
Build blogs on blogger.com and wordpress.com, plus other Wp Mu sites and build backlinks to your site.
Make sure to link out from your site to some high pr site in your niche
Over time you will see results. gl

[jclz3d]

Of course you can, with the right amount of off-site SEO you can beat any keyworded domain. The keyword domain is not the be all end all..

[dt1968]

Can you get the keyworded domain in .org or .net? That would make things easier for you although with enough links you can outrank the .com keyworded domain with your current site.

[marketguy]

Originally Posted by kvnkane

im trying to rank for a certain keyword but the keyword already has the .com taken. i bought a domain and created a website in a related niche but it doesnt have the keyword in the domain, however the sites like 5 days old and on the 4th page of google.

ive built some good content and im getting around 40 visitors a day which isnt too bad, so my question is would i be able to out rank the keyworded domain with enough backlinks pointing to my site?

although it is possible, my advice would be to get a .com domain with the keyword in it. as an example, if you keywords are "blue wooden shoes" you could get a domain like bluewoodenshoesguide(dot)com. google does not care if you add a word.

[Osman_M]

Ofcourse you can. I did just a week ago. Somebody had already picked the .com for the keyword and I went ahead and picked up the .net. I beat him in 2 days.

Currently, Im number 1 for that keyword!

[kvnkane]

ok thanks for the tips guys. what do you think if i used a hyphen? such as wooden-shoes.com would the keyword be ok?

[Barry Unruh]

No, I'm sure Wikipedia ranks for all their keywords because.....wait a minute......

[lovboa]

Why is everyone saying "Yes, you can, Yes it's beatable" as if having the keyword in the domain is even relevant to whether the site can be beaten or not.

[Bryan V]

Usually EMD type sites are more focused on and off-page, so you may be dealing with someone who's hitting this KW harder. Keywords in the domain may help, but you need to analyze their backlinks to get an idea of what it's going to take to knock em down.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by marketguy

although it is possible, my advice would be to get a .com domain with the keyword in it. as an example, if you keywords are "blue wooden shoes" you could get a domain like bluewoodenshoesguide(dot)com. google does not care if you add a word.

this is totally untrue

Google might look for kw in the URL, but unless its an EMD
kw in the domain does not help at all

even EMD the boost you get from them is not very much

you think you can just take your main kw and add letters to it, words in front of it, in back of it, and google will boost you in the serps for that?

I find that ludicrous, where is the proof of this
this is taking EMD to a whole new level because the kind of domains you are creating are certainly NOT EMDs

there is a lot of misinformation being spread on this board, I wish you guys who are obsessed with kw in the domain , would be screened somehow by a moderator

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

this is totally untrue

Google might look for kw in the URL, but unless its an EMD
kw in the domain does not help at all

even EMD the boost you get from them is not very much

you think you can just take your main kw and add letters to it, words in front of it, in back of it, and google will boost you in the serps for that?

I find that ludicrous, where is the proof of this
this is taking EMD to a whole new level because the kind of domains you are creating are certainly NOT EMDs

there is a lot of misinformation being spread on this board, I wish you guys who are obsessed with kw in the domain , would be screened somehow by a moderator

Where is your proof that it doesn't work?

[outwest]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Where is your proof that it doesn't work?

No thats not how it works

You have to prove it does work

I could say buy a monkey and feed it bananas boosts your serps,
Then if the other board members pooh pooh this statement ...........
so I can then challenge other board members by saying PROVE THIS DOESNT WORK?

thats ridiculous

I have a competitor in my new niche, he ranks 1,2 on Google for about 500 kws
this is all from THE SAME DOMAIN..........all those kws are pages on his domain and they are all 1,2 in that niche, all the same website

obviously the guy isnt putting his kws in the domain, how could he?
yes the kw is IN THE URL, since these are pages
that does boost your ONPAGE SEO ranking, KW IN URL.........but google doesnt care about kw in domain

Go look at Market Samurai
Onpage SEO factors on the SEO analysis

Do you see kw in DOMAIN as a ranking factor? NOPE
its not there
Kw in url, kw in Title, Kw in Header, Kw in Description

Where is the KW IN DOMAIN ....listing? Y or N? its NOT IN THE LIST

If this is indeed a ranking factor why is it not in the list? of Market Samurai Ranking Factors?

Everything else is there
PR
Domain Age
Backlinks to Domain
Backlinks to Page
Indexed Page count
Index in Yahoo or DMOZ

they are all there along with onpage SEO Factors
kw in url
Kw in Header
Kw in Title
Kw in Description

Where is the Kw in the Domain listing ???
If that is indeed a ranking factor?

They do not list it, because IT IS NOT A FACTOR

[Matt Baker]

Do you mean a keyword rich domain? Yes of course you can beat that kind of domain..it possible and it happened many times.

[Dev!l]

You're going to find it hard (I didn't say impossible) to beat if it's an established EMD. If not, you're in with a decent chance.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by Dev!l

You're going to find it hard (I didn't say impossible) to beat if it's an established EMD. If not, you're in with a decent chance.

depends on what you mean by established

if it has low backlinks, age of the domain has no effect

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

No thats not how it works

You have to prove it does work

I'm just saying that you crapped all over his idea for no reason at all and acted as if it was complete BS, but you have nothing to back that up.

Originally Posted by outwest

I have a competitor in my new niche, he ranks 1,2 on Google for about 500 kws
this is all from THE SAME DOMAIN..........all those kws are pages on his domain and they are all 1,2 in that niche, all the same website

obviously the guy isnt putting his kws in the domain, how could he?
yes the kw is IN THE URL, since these are pages
that does boost your ONPAGE SEO ranking, KW IN URL.........but google doesnt care about kw in domain

This does not prove that having a keyword in a domain name does or doesn't work. Just because you have one keyword in the domain does not mean that you cannot rank for 100 other terms. It is not a limiting factor.

By the way if you think that keywords in a domain play no role in ranking, have a look at the top 10 here.

penny stocks - Google Search

6 of the top 10 have the word in the domain (and are not all EMDs) and 1 has it in the URL.

Originally Posted by outwest

Go look at Market Samurai

Onpage SEO factors on the SEO analysis

Do you see kw in DOMAIN as a ranking factor? NOPE
its not there
Kw in url, kw in Title, Kw in Header, Kw in Description

Where is the KW IN DOMAIN ....listing? Y or N? its NOT IN THE LIST

If this is indeed a ranking factor why is it not in the list? of Market Samurai Ranking Factors?

Everything else is there
PR
Domain Age
Backlinks to Domain
Backlinks to Page
Indexed Page count
Index in Yahoo or DMOZ

they are all there along with onpage SEO Factors
kw in url
Kw in Header
Kw in Title
Kw in Description

Where is the Kw in the Domain listing ???
If that is indeed a ranking factor?

They do not list it, because IT IS NOT A FACTOR

Really? That is your proof. Because Market Samurai doesn't say so?

Since when did the guys that made Market Samurai get a hold of Google's ranking algorithm? Well, if it is not in Market Samurai than it can't possibly be a ranking factor.

By the way, the guys behind Market Samurai also tell you that the number of competing listings is one of the biggest factors you should consider when determining the level of competition a keyword has. So you should go back to using that too because Market Samurai says so.


Oh and one other thing. The same people that make Market Samurai also make a tool called Domain Samurai for finding keyword rich domains, so yeah, I think they do consider it a ranking factor. If they didn't, they would not have built a whole freaking tool around it.

[outwest]

Fact is you have NO PROOF IT DOES WORK EITHER

so stop acting so self righteous
Hell the guys who are in love with EMDs they can barely point to instances to prove THOSE WORK

I can see SOME justification for thinking EMDs work since google USED to put more emphasis on them

but changing the EMD by adding all kinds of other words in front or behind it is ludicrous to think thats the same thing as an EMD..........................those variations Change the domain to something that is NOT AN EMD

You show me documentation where google loves to see the kw in the domain, I would like to see it. Go ahead post it.
EMDs , fine, they were important before, but just having the kw in any form in the domain>? show me articles saying this is important

[outwest]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Oh and one other thing. The same people that make Market Samurai also make a tool called Domain Samurai for finding keyword rich domains, so yeah, I think they do consider it a ranking factor. If they didn't, they would not have built a whole freaking tool around it.

You serious? They probably own a domain name service they steer you to.

I trust Market Samurai much more than I trust your opinion

I think the reason they put SEOC (competing sites) in there is because a lot of people THINK that information is important (and they do) because they have been fed all this misinformation

so in order to sell the software they say HEY WE HAVE COMPETING SITES DATA
all the people who think thats important (and there are probably more that DO think its relevant, than DONT)
Those people are tickled pink that Market Samurai provides this data

If kw in domain is important, again I ask why does Market Samurai not include that information in its stats? Believe me if it was widely known or commonly thought that this information is relevant THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THEIR STATS,

[outwest]

i Used to think Mike knew his stuff but after this series of responses I realize he doesnt

[shakil754]

In my experience google does look at the domain to see if it contains the keyword or not BUT the other factors that are equally important are On Page and Off Page seo.

By that I mean you have to have your site structure that google loves. I always go for a silo structure and make sure that the site is well optimized.

Then its a question of building backlinks and over time your ranking will improve

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

You serious? They probably own a domain name service they steer you to.

I trust Market Samurai much more than I trust your opinion

I think the reason they put SEOC (competing sites) in there is because a lot of people THINK that information is important (and they do) because they have been fed all this misinformation

so in order to sell the software they say HEY WE HAVE COMPETING SITES DATA
all the people who think thats important (and there are probably more that DO think its relevant, than DONT)
Those people are tickled pink that Market Samurai provides this data

If kw in domain is important, again I ask why does Market Samurai not include that information in its stats? Believe me if it was widely known or commonly thought that this information is relevant THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THEIR STATS,

It is pretty obvious you are just becoming a troll in this forum.

Did you look at the SERP I pointed out, which is pretty damn competitive by the way, with all the keyword rich domains at the top?

I love how you use information that favors your point of view and ignore anything that doesn't. So since for some reason you feel Market Samurai is an authority on getting good rankings... They don't have anything about the URL in their software, so that must not be a ranking factor. However, they highly stress the importance of the number of competing pages, but we can just ignore that?

And again the Samurai guys built a whole piece of software that is devoted to nothing but finding keyword rich domains. And no it does not point you to a domain service they own.

[hammertorch]

I don' know but i guess although we do really have different opinions, but i guess i really would have to agree with Mike on this....

upon searching on google, for example try to search the keyword "warriorforum" and you can check what's next in the ranking in google. So I think mike has a point in adding a word after the keyword domain, but again this is just my opinion.

[outwest]

who would be trying to rank for warrior forum? thats a ridiculous example

I can rank number 1,2 or 3 or very high with a domain that has a 1 to the keyword, does that prove anything? nope

Prove a domain WITHOUT the name in the kw would not rank equally high?


Just because you guys can go find domains with kw variations ranking high, how do you know WHY they rank high?


Certainly the domain has ZIPPO to do with it

but
since they are ranking high..........and since they have a 1 or whatever added to the kw in the domain name you say SEE SEE LOOK THATS PROOF

Really?
Prove that the domain name having the kw in it, HAS ANY RELEVANCE to why the site ranks where it ranks?

[madzstar]

Yes u can and yes u will. Eerything has said that needs to b said. go with wat every1 said and ull be the best!

[MikeFriedman]

creditcards.com outranks Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and Bank of America for 'credit cards'.

Citibank, created a subdomain 'creditcards' on their site. Wonder why they did that?

What is really silly about this whole conversation is just a few weeks ago outwest thought keyword rich domains were the greatest thing ever based on the exact same type of evidence.

Keyword in the domain rules, this proves it

Now that evidence is ridiculous.

[SunnyDelight]

of course you can. With the right SEO strategy you can. It takes more than a keyword rich domain to rank. But it is a plus to have keywords in your domain when trying to rank hugh in google.

[SunnyDelight]

of course you can. With the right SEO strategy you can. It takes more than a keyword rich domain to rank. But it is a plus to have keywords in your domain when trying to rank high in google.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

creditcards.com outranks Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and Bank of America for 'credit cards'.

Citibank, created a subdomain 'creditcards' on their site. Wonder why they did that?

What is really silly about this whole conversation is just a few weeks ago outwest thought keyword rich domains were the greatest thing ever based on the exact same type of evidence.

Keyword in the domain rules, this proves it

Now that evidence is ridiculous.

A few weeks ago? try almost 3 months ago

I dont know why I posted that , I dont even remember making that post

creditcards.com
is AN EMD. That is also AN EMD .COM which IMO if EMDs do have any power its the EMD.COM that has teh power, not the net, org, info, etc etc etc etc and all the other extensions.

creditcards.com has about 250,000 backlinks 14 yr old domain
Visa? has about 5000 backlinks...............hmmm could that be the reason Visa is number 2 instead of number 1. Gosh, couldnt be. must be that creditcards.com has the EMD

EMDs are NOT What we are discussing
we are discussing adding a 1 before or after the EMDs or adding all kinds of other words before and after that EMD and saying THAT is equally important

[hammertorch]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

creditcards.com outranks Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and Bank of America for 'credit cards'.

Citibank, created a subdomain 'creditcards' on their site. Wonder why they did that?

What is really silly about this whole conversation is just a few weeks ago outwest thought keyword rich domains were the greatest thing ever based on the exact same type of evidence.

Keyword in the domain rules, this proves it

Now that evidence is ridiculous.

now thats one hell of a proof, thanks mike for clearing this out.
@Outwest it's now your time to shine show us your proof too...

[outwest]

Originally Posted by hammertorch

now thats one hell of a proof, thanks mike for clearing this out.
@Outwest it's now your time to shine show us your proof too...

what proof did he show? An old post of mine 3 months old where I now changed my view? Thats proof I used to be misinformed? So?
I made that post before I started using Market Samurai I mean REALLY using it, since that Post I have researched bout 30,000 kws and OBSERVED who is ranked where, and OBSERVED how many of those were EMDs (Rank #1,2,3) and also OBSERVED how often (ALL THE TIME) that
domains with the kw NOT in the Domain Easily outranked the EMDs..........as I said I see this all the time. And I am not talking about EMDs with no backlinks. Many times these EMDs had way more backlinks than the sites outranking them (that had no kw in the domain )

How is this possible. ? After a while you start to notice that KW IN DOMAIN MEANS NOTHING
................The ONLY time I have observed where KW in the domain makes ANY difference is
EMD.com...............................but then again even in those instances that is not necessarily true. Because if a guy is going to go out and buy the EMD.com he is sure as HELL going to put a BOATLOAD of backlinks and anchor text target that kw. So THE BACKLINKS may very well be why he is ranking NOT THE EMD

Now I see the light
You guys are still in the dark

[Barry Unruh]

Originally Posted by outwest

You show me documentation where google loves to see the kw in the domain, I would like to see it. Go ahead post it.

Here you go:

Originally Posted by Matt Cutts

Now if you are still on the fence, let me just give you a bit of color. that we have looked at the rankings and the weights that we give to keyword domains, & some people have complained that we are giving a little too much weight for keywords in domains. So we have been thinking about at adjusting that mix a bit and sort of turning the knob down within the algorithm, so that given 2 different domains it wouldn't necessarily help you as much to have a domain name with a bunch of keywords in it.

Not sure about you, but that basically states they are giving a preference, even if slight.

Ask and ye shall receive...

Search and you could have found! And before you scream that is ancient history...it is this year.

[MikeFriedman]

Mastercard.com has somewhere around 38 million backlinks and is still behind creditcards.com.

And I also pointed out creditcards.citi.com which is not an EMD.

Yet it is still on the first page with far less backlinks than most of the other listings.

Also the 'penny stocks' SERP is another example. timothysykes.com is #9 with far more backlinks than any other listing on the first page, yet it is outranked by mostly keyword rich domains.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

I made that post before I started using Market Samurai I mean REALLY using it, since that Post I have researched bout 30,000 kws and OBSERVED who is ranked where

Well at the time of making this other ridiculous thread...

EMDs are a myth

You stated you had studied 10,000 KWs. Now it is 30,000 KWs. So in the last 6 weeks you have extensively studied the rankings of an additional 20,000 KWs. That is roughly about 475 KWs a day. Even if you work 12 hours a day, that is still about 40 KWs an hour.

There is no way you have studied that many KWs. Nice try though.

[outwest]

Oh so now Matt cutts if he says something thats the law right?>

[outwest]

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

Here you go:



Not sure about you, but that basically states they are giving a preference, even if slight.

Ask and ye shall receive...

Search and you could have found! And before you scream that is ancient history...it is this year.

You are assuming
that (assuming Matt cutts word is God)
that he is talking about ANY KWS in the domain being relevant
as opposed to EMDs

he really does not make that distinction in the youtube video you pulled your quote from

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

All he says in the video is "kws in the domain"
he makes no distinction

so from that you assume ANY KWS in the domain

Ok lets say you are google algo writers
IF you are going to give weight to kws in the domain , would you give weight to ANY DOMAIN WITH THE KW in it, even with a 1 in front of it, whatever

so you are talking

Corvette Cars
One guy goes and buys Corvettecars.com
Next guy next day buys 1corvettecars.com
Next day someone buys corvettecarsSite.com
Next day ................... SomeCorvettecars.com
Next Day BuyCorvettecars.com
Next Day ...................CorvettecarsRock.com

within a month you have 200 domains new domains that all have the kw in the domain
so you are going to do what with those domains? How in the hell are you going to rank them any higher than anyone else? for what reason? it takes two seconds to create a new domain variation with the kw in it? Why should that be a ranking factor of any kind?

Its ludicrous to think they would even attempt to give anything but the EMD.com a boost
otherwise it becomes a joke

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

Oh so now Matt cutts if he says something thats the law right?>

While I do not listen to everything he says, he is just as reliable as Market Samurai.

[Barry Unruh]

No, Matt Cutts is not the law, but you asked for any proof Google gave a preference to EMD's coming straight from a source at Google, so I provided it for your entertainment and education. (As Mike eloquently pointed out, just a few months ago you believed EMD's were crucial to business success.)

What you seem to misunderstand from everyone responding to you is the fact NO ONE is claiming EMD's give a big advantage. Everyone recognizes the preference has decreased in power.

Most of us agree there is not a compelling reason to focus on only EMD's since you can rank a non-EMD site almost as easily. The difference is very slight, as even Matt Cutts pointed out in his quote.

Most of the teachers I trust in the field have been pointing that fact out repeatedly over the last many months, but still agree there is a "slight" advantage.

What you seem to misunderstand is you have an inability to take criticism and to learn...but that's just my observation...and it is not the law either.

[dukestravels1972]

Slightly off-topic here. But can someone tell me if using a hyphen to separate words in a keyword domain is just as good as having the desired (but taken) keyword domain url?

I took a chance and bought a two word keyword that is separated this way, because allinurl searches "in quotes" for it came up with both in top 5.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

No, Matt Cutts is not the law, but you asked for any proof Google gave a preference to EMD's coming straight from a source at Google, so I provided it for your entertainment and education. (As Mike eloquently pointed out, just a few months ago you believed EMD's were crucial to business success.)

What you seem to misunderstand from everyone responding to you is the fact NO ONE is claiming EMD's give a big advantage. Everyone recognizes the preference has decreased in power.

Most of us agree there is not a compelling reason to focus on only EMD's since you can rank a non-EMD site almost as easily. The difference is very slight, as even Matt Cutts pointed out in his quote.

Most of the teachers I trust in the field have been pointing that fact out repeatedly over the last many months, but still agree there is a "slight" advantage.

What you seem to misunderstand is you have an inability to take criticism and to learn...but that's just my observation...and it is not the law either.

First of all that video is not new in fact I think it came out before Panda whatever the big one in May I think. (wasnt it May) or June whatever everyone cried about

Also he said nothing about EMDs in that quote or that video, go watch the video

There is a very good possibility that with the new Panda updates EMDs are no longer given any weight, considering the video is about 6 mos old

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

so you are talking

Corvette Cars
One guy goes and buys Corvettecars.com
Next guy next day buys 1corvettecars.com
Next day someone buys corvettecarsSite.com
Next day ................... SomeCorvettecars.com
Next Day BuyCorvettecars.com
Next Day ...................CorvettecarsRock.com

within a month you have 200 domains new domains that all have the kw in the domain
so you are going to do what with those domains? How in the hell are you going to rank them any higher than anyone else? for what reason? it takes two seconds to create a new domain variation with the kw in it? Why should that be a ranking factor of any kind?

Its ludicrous to think they would even attempt to give anything but the EMD.com a boost
otherwise it becomes a joke

Why is that ludicrous? Look at the opposite view. It is ludicrous to think that ONLY the EMD would get any kind of a boost. Why would they give out a ranking boost for something only a handful of people can take advantage of? That doesn't seem like a level playing field.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Why is that ludicrous? Look at the opposite view. It is ludicrous to think that ONLY the EMD would get any kind of a boost. Why would they give out a ranking boost for something only a handful of people can take advantage of? That doesn't seem like a level playing field.

What I am saying is how can they rank boosts in serps
lets say they have 200 domains for xyz kw, with variations of the kw in the domain?

who gets the biggest boost if any?
It becomes meaningless after a certain point if its so easy to go get a kw in the domain in ANY variation

Now the EMD.com
Yes I can see that getting a boost

why?
Because there is only one
and its USUALLY ...THE COMPANY

Dell computers? dell.com
Microsoft............Microsoft.com
Intel? Intel.com

there can only be one EMD.com and its usually a heavy hitter AUTHORITY site, though not always so yes I can see THAT getting a boost, because there is limited supply, and those sites carry weight

all the other 123kw.com's
no I cant see any reason to give those sites a boost since they can be reproduced in mass, there is infinite number of webmasters who could jump in line

so who gets a boost then? the first to register? its absurd

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

It is ludicrous to think that ONLY the EMD would get any kind of a boost. Why would they give out a ranking boost for something only a handful of people can take advantage of? That doesn't seem like a level playing field.

Mike, that is one of the best takes I have ever read on the subject, and
one that I never even thought of. Gotta hand it to you on that one.

Paul

[outwest]

Originally Posted by paulgl

Mike, that is one of the best takes I have ever read on the subject, and
one that I never even thought of. Gotta hand it to you on that one.

Paul

you guys fail to see the forest for the Trees

[Barry Unruh]

Originally Posted by outwest

Also he said nothing about EMDs in that quote or that video, go watch the video

There is a very good possibility that with the new Panda updates EMDs are no longer given any weight, considering the video is about 6 mos old

I have watched the video, and read the text of the video.. Please look at this line once again:

"we have looked at the rankings and the weights that we give to keyword domains"

I'll agree he did not say EXACT...and he actually states we should not worry about it...but you keep arguing a point for the sake of argument without any substantial proof. Do I have any proof? Not at all, because I already stated the advantage is slight.

I have in other threads made it clear I will choose an EMD if it makes sense for the market and it is available. The one thing you have made clear in this thread is quite simple. You must either be 100% right, or......oh wait, there was not another option.

And since you asked for proof of our position, from Google...I now respectfully ask you to post yours. No more "I think"...Your proof sir...from Google's own mouth, but of course..you don't have it in any more clarity than we do. Which yes...does mean I realize there is just as much chance Matt is blowing smoke as telling the truth.

And on that note...I'm done with this thread, because it is truly a waste of my time. I'll come back and read your entertaining explanations...because that part is fun...ny

[KimboJim]

EMDs add some power to the domain, but a lot of people exaggerate its power. Google uses about 100-200 different factors when figuring out who should by one top. While and EMD is one of those factors, I don't think it's all that important. Will it help? Yes. Will it guarantee you a top spot or make that domain invincible? Absolutely not.

The biggest factor is a good mix of NoFollow and DoFollow backlinks. Just keep pushing those to your website, and you'll be at the top in no time (that is, if you have good content).

[xnice]

If you have enough back links, you can beat any keyword domain. Normally the EMD has a little back links, you can pass them anytime. Forget about what people say, you can make a case study by yourself and see results.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by xnice

If you have enough back links, you can beat any keyword domain. Normally the EMD has a little back links, you can pass them anytime. Forget about what people say, you can make a case study by yourself and see results.

you guys are I assume talking about EMDs which
I do not dispute , have SOME benefit, (although very small)

what I am objecting to is these guys saying ANY KW IN ANY COMBINATION in the domain, even 1kw.com has anything worth mentioning as far as a boost (comparable to an EMD boost, which is small)

If you start butchering the domain to where its no longer an EMD? ya that helps in the rankings a LOT, LOL
NOT

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

you guys are I assume talking about EMDs which
I do not dispute , have SOME benefit, (although very small)

Wait, now EMDs do have a ranking benefit?

But just a week ago you started a thread saying they are worthless.

LOL here is a good one for you (how important are EMDs) Proof they are not

You should run for office. You flip-flop as much as most politicians do.

[xnice]

Originally Posted by outwest

you guys are I assume talking about EMDs which
I do not dispute , have SOME benefit, (although very small)

what I am objecting to is these guys saying ANY KW IN ANY COMBINATION in the domain, even 1kw.com has anything worth mentioning as far as a boost (comparable to an EMD boost, which is small)

If you start butchering the domain to where its no longer an EMD? ya that helps in the rankings a LOT, LOL
NOT

I do not know how your exp. about this. But I say the truth: "any keyword in any combination" will worth. EMD keyword with some extra words; good SEO onpage; some small backlinks packages, some guys can dominate many spots at low competition keywords. But they did not do this because the income can not pay all of fee. If the income is good enough, you can see a lot of sites with EMD keyword.