Live SEO Challenge WSO Question

[Brian Mullis]

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I purchased the WSO at LIVE SEO CHALLENGE -- Go From 0 to $200 A Month With Adsense & SEO + [300% Money Back Guarantee]!!

Since the thread has been closed and since I was just told through the Challenge Help Desk that they will probably not enable comments in the member’s area, there is no way for members to communicate.

So my question for purchasers of the WSO is: Have you had much success in finding keywords that meet all of the metrics taught in the Challenge, including the very last step in the "step-3.pdf" file, where it mentions a requirement for the site in the first position in Google? According to the instructions, if you can’t find a keyword that meets this requirement, you will not be able to rank during the Challenge.

I’m being vague because I don’t want to give away anything in an open forum but I think purchasers of the Challenge will know what I am talking about.

[GilS]

Thanks for opening this thread. I think it's a good idea to bounce ideas off one another here without exposing any trade secrets. I am still struggling with keywords and hope more members tune in here.

[Jason Bell]

likewise, this keyword validation process has definitely took me way pas 5 minutes! I seriously have been searching for the right keyword to use for the past two days..

I do have a question though if you all could help out..

I have found a keyword that has passed the criteria based on video 3. In this video it states that we need to check the anchor text of the first result, and if it has our keyword in the anchor text than we need to do a pr analysis to ensure it has no more than 30 links above pr 3.
..my keyword passed this test, but i'm confused about the day 3 part 5 mind map posted.

does this criteria only apply if your looking for your keyword through google adwords? or do we use this same criteria for market samurai as well?

Reason being is that it says if yoru keywrd is the first result phrase-domain than that domain must have less than 20 PR 2
or less, links with the keyword phrase in
the anchor text.

This confuses me; the criteria seems conflicting. The video says no more than 30 links past PR 3, but the mindmap says it must have less than 20 keyword links PR 2 or less.

Bottom line I'm confused and if you all could shed some light I would greatly appreciate it. Like others doing this challenge, you probably would not want to start a website knowing the metric criteria was interpreted incorrectly. THanks

J.Bell

[rlaramli]

You may want to check Wrap-Up Keyword Research chart dated 24 Aug 2010 at the Live SEO Challenge site.

I find the explanation there is a lot clearer than all the previous videos and transcripts. What is not explained there is that you need to click on (+) located on the right side of the box to move to the next step and click on (-) on the left side to return to the previous step.

I hope this helps.

[Jason Bell]

I greatly appreciate this info. I actually looked at the mind-map & I thought to myself "this is so basic and pointless to post this".....I did not know to click on the (+) and (-) signs!

This totally helped, thank you much friend.

[Dave d]

Thanks for opening this thread. I spent 5 hours doing keyword research following the instruction to the letter. Then the next day there is an extra validation type PDF and in there it says something along the lines of if the 1st result does not have the keyword in the URL and has a page rank higher than 2 then its no good .

This blew every single one of my keywords out of the water but if we had this information the day before then I would not have wasted 5 hours .

Then suprise suprise after we get an almost impossible criteria for choosing keywords comments are closed

[Jill Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Brian Mullis

Since the thread has been closed and since I was just told through the Challenge Help Desk that they will probably not enable comments in the member’s area, there is no way for members to communicate.

This would pi$$ me off to no end.

I would contact the product creator and tell them what you want.

Attention: Anyone trying to build a real online business, but can’t get the personal help they need to do so: Now there’s hope….

“We’ll show YOU, through a live SEO challenge, how to go from zero to at least $200 a month working JUST 5 MINUTES A DAY”

.... In fact,

“We’re so sure that this will work for you that we’re backing our claim up with a 300% money back guarantee”

Um, isn't the product creator giving you personal help???

If not, I'd be looking for that 300% money back guarantee.

[Alan Petersen]

Remember, your success has been guaranteed.

That's a bold and FTC scary guarantee. This thread will probably get deleted so why don't you guys form your own Skype group where you can meet and share results, etc.? It's free and easy to do. You can control who signs up so only challenge members can join your skype group. But I agree with Jill, I would be pist as well!

[L41db4ck]

Yes, why are comments turned off?????

And not letting us know about the + sign!!!! It's easy when you know it's there but....ffs

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

If not, I'd be looking for that 300% money back guarantee

Only if you follow their instructions exactly....do you not see a pattern in this thread? Their instructions are confusing to say the least!

On the plus side I think I've finally found one keyword

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

That's a bold and FTC scary guarantee. This thread will probably get deleted so why don't you guys form your own Skype group where you can meet and share results, etc.? It's free and easy to do. You can control who signs up so only challenge members can join your skype group. But I agree with Jill, I would be pist as well!

I agree, we need somewhere private where we can discuss things.

Edit: Actually, if they have said that the comments will remain closed then maybe we need to discuss it in public?

[Jill Carpenter]

Originally Posted by L41db4ck

I agree, we need somewhere private where we can discuss things.

Edit: Actually, if they have said that the comments will remain closed then maybe we need to discuss it in public?

You can discuss it where you wish, but this is SEO - so it needs to go into seo forum, and you are a group dealing with a specific product so you should get your own side group to discuss.

Skype is a great option. You can just use the "chat" feature and people in the group can comment at any time like a mini forum.

Here is what I'd do. I'd PM anyone who responded on the original thread and looked like they bought and ask them if they would like to get in on a group about the topic.

While a 300 percent guarantee is promised to those who complete what they are instructed to do, you could still get a regular refund if you don't think you are getting the help you wanted (but you didn't get that from me. )

Again, I do think contacting the product creator is the best route first. If there is a big enough demand for open conversation within the group, they really should listen to their customers - don't you think?

Otherwise, they should have some type of help desk in place for assistance.

JMO

[kingW]

Originally Posted by rlaramli

What is not explained there is that you need to click on (+) located on the right side of the box to move to the next step and click on (-) on the left side to return to the previous step.

Thanks for that info. I didn't even notice the + and - sign.

I'm still at day 5 task. Looking for keyword that comply with the pdf mindmap. I thought I'm on the right track until that mindmap came out which means I have to do my kw research again.

And I still don't understand why they have to disable the comment section and if they enable it, they have to moderate it.

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

JMO

Hey, I agree with your O

Well, apart from the SEO thing, we're not talking about SEO!

Er, And skype groups, I've never tried that.

We asked for open conversation and we got comments open on 1 post out of 10

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

they really should listen to their customers - don't you think?

Yes, OF COURSE WE THINK THAT! (why wouldn't we? Sorry for shouting)

And, they do have a helpdesk, (which isn't the same as a forum which is what we need)

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by masterwaldo

Thanks for that info. I didn't even notice the + and - sign.

No, the +- sign were tiny and easy to miss!

[patrickwagner]

Wow - this offer sounds great. I can't believe I missed, if anyone can share any tips pls PM me.

Thanks
Patrick

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by patrickwagner

Wow - this offer sounds great. I can't believe I missed, if anyone can share any tips pls PM me.

Thanks
Patrick

join our skype group

Edit: What I meant to say was Wow - your offer sounds even better! If you can share any cash pls PM me.

[lefty359]

When I emailed their support it said it didn't recognize my email! This deal has me sorry I got into it. I replied to the registration letter and asked for a refund. They said I had to wait until the challenge was over! It was supposed to be live but it's not.So far, I am not impressed.

[Dave d]

Hey guys Im gonna be setting up a Skype group if I can figure out how ! I dont have a lot of time to manage something that will take a lot of time so Im hoping this wont take a lot of effort. I will post back more details on this thread which I hope is not deleted.

[GilS]

Originally Posted by Dave d

Hey guys Im gonna be setting up a Skype group if I can figure out how ! I dont have a lot of time to manage something that will take a lot of time so Im hoping this wont take a lot of effort. I will post back more details on this thread which I hope is not deleted.

Go for it Dave. So far I have been absolutely dissatisfied with this course mainly due to poor planning. And whatever happened to George?

[rlaramli]

Hi everybody,

I submit tickets to their help desk suggesting for a forum where we can communicate. Apparently, they advised that there is already a forum at the help desk.

Participants may want to check at the help desk. Go to the KNOWLEDGE BASE tab and you'll find the forum there, or rather it is the Forum. There are 5 sub-topics: Announcements, Tips & Tricks, General Help, Community Help and Feature Requests.

Currently, there are 9 posts under General Help. All the rest are empty.

I tried to click on the Community Help button, but could not find any button for posting. I have already asked them how and awaiting for response.

Regards
Ramli

[Dave d]

The Live SEO Challenge Skype Group is now set up. Im just testing this out because if get to busy for me to handle then I cant afford for my other projects to suffer so lets just see how this goes.

To gain access search skype for Live SEO Challenge. When requesting access I need to know the answer to the following which can be found at - Day 5 Keyword Research Validation Part 3.

Fill in the blank to the sentence that ends .......then you dont need to worry about ____ Market Samurai / Adwords keyword tool match. That should be easy enough to answer so long as you paid for the course.

[Dave d]

Please do not just message me on skype saying "Im part of the SEO challenge" or something along those lines because that means nothing. I have given specific instructions on how to join in my previous post. This has been done using my own time and I dont have time verify everybody that does not follow the simple joining instructions.

This is for the benefit of all members of the challenge so we dont have people in there just for fun who have not paid for the original WSO.

Thanks

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

This would pi$$ me off to no end.

I would contact the product creator and tell them what you want.



Um, isn't the product creator giving you personal help???

If not, I'd be looking for that 300% money back guarantee.

I suspect you would have better luck looking for bigfoot, lol. I can almost guarantee you no one will get that 300% refund. And there is no regular refund offer, so no one will be getting that either. Why do you think the wso thread was locked? And don't be surprised when this thread is locked/deleted either.

Anyone surprised this offer isn't living up to its claims only has themselves to blame. Several of us warned that it wouldn't. We were told to shut up by those who didn't want their 5 minute wealth fantasy disturbed.

[GilS]

Originally Posted by rlaramli

Hi everybody,

I submit tickets to their help desk suggesting for a forum where we can communicate. Apparently, they advised that there is already a forum at the help desk.

Participants may want to check at the help desk. Go to the KNOWLEDGE BASE tab and you'll find the forum there, or rather it is the Forum. There are 5 sub-topics: Announcements, Tips & Tricks, General Help, Community Help and Feature Requests.

Currently, there are 9 posts under General Help. All the rest are empty.

I tried to click on the Community Help button, but could not find any button for posting. I have already asked them how and awaiting for response.

Regards
Ramli

Ramli,

The only problem I have with the Help Desk is that they impulsively disable comments when they get overloaded with questions, just like they did with the Warrior Forum WSO thread. Having a forum/skype for those who paid $88 assures communication 24/7.

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by Dave d

Please do not just message me on skype saying "Im part of the SEO challenge" or something along those lines because that means nothing. I have given specific instructions on how to join in my previous post. This has been done using my own time and I dont have time verify everybody that does not follow the simple joining instructions.

This is for the benefit of all members of the challenge so we dont have people in there just for fun who have not paid for the original WSO.

Thanks

I can't find it or rather Skype doesn't find it. Live SEO Challenge?

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

I suspect you would have better luck looking for bigfoot, lol. I can almost guarantee you no one will get that 300% refund. And there is no regular refund offer, so no one will be getting that either. Why do you think the wso thread was locked? And don't be surprised when this thread is locked/deleted either.

Anyone surprised this offer isn't living up to its claims only has themselves to blame. Several of us warned that it wouldn't. We were told to shut up by those who didn't want their 5 minute wealth fantasy disturbed.

We haven't found out whether they are any good at finding good keywords/building good adsense sites/SEO or not yet, that remains to be seen after the 30 days....just that they're not very prepared for a group training.

By the way, It's not a 5 minute wealth fantasy, it's a $200/month adsense site after 30 days fantasy and I'm still giving it a go.

They have taught me some new things already

[Dave d]

Originally Posted by L41db4ck

I can't find it or rather Skype doesn't find it. Live SEO Challenge?

Guys I have created this group twice now and each time it has just disappeared. I dont have the time to investigate this and figure it out. As well that despite my previous posts people are still messaging me saying they are part of the challenge. I mean if you cant follow basic instructions then I dont know how your going to see this challenge through.

So I have given this Skype group thing a try and it has not worked out. If anybody is more experienced with skype or has any better ideas on how to bring the group together maybe a private blog or something then please raise your hand.

[Colin Klinkert]

Originally Posted by Dave d

Guys I have created this group twice now and each time it has just disappeared. I dont have the time to investigate this and figure it out. As well that despite my previous posts people are still messaging me saying they are part of the challenge. I mean if you cant follow basic instructions then I dont know how your going to see this challenge through.

So I have given this Skype group thing a try and it has not worked out. If anybody is more experienced with skype or has any better ideas on how to bring the group together maybe a private blog or something then please raise your hand.

You wish is my Command!

Here is where we can chat about it:

SEO challange Chat

It is password protected. The password can be found under 'Day 5' There is a part that has been edited and it says:

(xxxx searches per month)

The xxxx is the number listed on that page after you login. enter that and it will give you access to chat

[Colin Klinkert]

Good news is so far 2 people have made their way into the chat thread for in case we are no longer able to chat here.

Also with the password protection, we know it is only paying members in there, here are the instructions again:

SEO challange Chat

It is password protected. The password can be found under 'Day 5' There is a part that has been edited and it says:

(xxxx searches per month)

The xxxx is the number listed on that page after you login. enter that and it will give you access to chat

P.S - Yes I know I spelled 'Challenge' wrong in the title was in a rush

P.P.S - if you comment needs approval after you post and it doesn't show, I will approve it as soon as I can. It is 11:30pm here & I will be heading to bed soon I think

[Teleologist]

Originally Posted by Dave d

I spent 5 hours doing keyword research following the instruction to the letter. Then the next day there is an extra validation type PDF and in there it says something along the lines of if the 1st result does not have the keyword in the URL and has a page rank higher than 2 then its no good .

This blew every single one of my keywords out of the water but if we had this information the day before then I would not have wasted 5 hours .

Same here. The video is about going after the top three positions in Google not just the first position. And the video doesn't tell you to consider the PR unless the URL has the keyword in it. I spend over 7 hours getting what I thought were a couple of dozen good keywords and then I get this mind map that changes the criteria to only the first position in Google and nothing over PR 2 even if the keyword is not in the URL. That wiped out most of my keywords.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by L41db4ck

We haven't found out whether they are any good at finding good keywords/building good adsense sites/SEO or not yet, that remains to be seen after the 30 days....just that they're not very prepared for a group training.

By the way, It's not a 5 minute wealth fantasy, it's a $200/month adsense site after 30 days fantasy and I'm still giving it a go.

Keep telling yourself that.

It was sold as "5 minutes a day to blah blah blah". That was blown out of the water on day 2.

And by the way, for those keeping score...they didn't post a day 8 assignment (due yesterday), and they haven't posted today's assignment either, which should be day 9, but I guess will end up being day 8.

[Colin Klinkert]

Originally Posted by Teleologist

Same here. The video is about going after the top three positions in Google not just the first position. And the video doesn't tell you to consider the PR unless the URL has the keyword in it. I spend over 7 hours getting what I thought were a couple of dozen good keywords and then I get this mind map that changes the criteria to only the first position in Google and nothing over PR 2 even if the keyword is not in the URL. That wiped out most of my keywords.

My Advice - Don't take it to the letter... I know for the 300% guarantee they say you must, but to be honest, you can outrank a PR2 site with no issues if you get the right inbound links and the right on page SEO...

As I said in the 'other thread' that I shared above, I am waiting for the template that is meant to give 20%> CTR

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Keep telling yourself that.

It was sold as "5 minutes a day to blah blah blah". That was blown out of the water on day 2.

What they forgot to say was that they spend 5 mins a day, not you!

[AdamWB]

I bought the WSO and have been following it closely. As soon as I saw how they did their KW research, and then redid it, and then redid it again - I came to the conclusion this is just smoke. And the way they teach writing articles..joke. It's a lesson on how to NOT write articles - if you want quality/speed that is.

Hopefully they've got some really cool unique ways to backlink/rank a site, or this is a complete waste of time IMO.

I know I was defending this earlier before the offer opened up, but this is just another 10% WSO - where they only give you 10% of the info and you need to figure out the rest for yourself.

[Colin Klinkert]

Originally Posted by AdamWB

I bought the WSO and have been following it closely. As soon as I saw how they did their KW research, and then redid it, and then redid it again - I came to the conclusion this is just smoke. And the way they teach writing articles..joke. It's a lesson on how to NOT write articles - if you want quality/speed that is.

Hopefully they've got some really cool unique ways to backlink/rank a site, or this is a complete waste of time IMO.

I know I was defending this earlier before the offer opened up, but this is just another 10% WSO - where they only give you 10% of the info and you need to figure out the rest for yourself.

Well for me I am really hoping that we get a cool template to get the high CTR and as you say, interested to see if they can show a ranking method I don't already know...

[DonChipriani]

It made me curious because of the bold guaranty statement, but boy, am I glad now I did not get into it. I hope it will work out for you guys in the end. I hope you learn something new.

I know that for some this is good as they will finally take action and do it. They'll have the extra motivation since they paid for it For those, the cost is going to worth it.

This is the main problem most are dealing with, lack of action, stuck on learning and learning... I know I've been there too lol

Cheers!

[Yogini]

I also found that the keywords I found did not meet the criterion once they put up the final requirements. Why weren't they all listed at once so people didn't have to waste time? I have not been able to find something with the number of searches they recommend that qualifies now due to the restrictions they put on position 1 when you analyze further. Probably if you don't find this they won't give you the money back guarantee. I'm not even sure why that position 1 criterion is so critical as being position 2 or 3 seem fine.

I am frustrated that they closed comments and that the additional 100 comments on the day that was opened have not been responded to at all. When I wrote support with keyword questions I was just given copy/paste from the pdfs rather than an explanation and clarification as I had asked. Since so many people are still stuck with the problems of narrowing down the keywords after their last day of the additional criterion, they should first iron out this problem .

Debbie

[nige1]

Hi All,
In reply to the thread starter Brian ,no,I have in 12 active hours failed to find one keyword that passes all the criteria given in the flash diagram.
I have already suggested to them that they are using this exercise to harvest suitable keywords for themselves ,if any can be found.
I have also challenged them to show in a video themselves finding a keyword passing all the tests.
No reply so far.

[Dave d]

Originally Posted by nige1

Hi All,
In reply to the thread starter Brian ,no,I have in 12 active hours failed to find one keyword that passes all the criteria given in the flash diagram.
I have already suggested to them that they are using this exercise to harvest suitable keywords for themselves ,if any can be found.
I have also challenged them to show in a video themselves finding a keyword passing all the tests.
No reply so far.

Some valid points there. I actually enjoy KW research and usually find it the easier part of IM. As well as that I do KW research for clients, but this criteria set out seems a complete impossibility and Im slowing begining to wonder if its meant to be that way so people will just give up and move on to something new and then bang goes their guarantee as well as the original investment.

Like you said since this is errr a live challenge (they did say live yeh ok) I want to see them choose a keyword live that meets all of their criteria.

I'll spend another 5 minutes actually I meant 5 hours on this and if I cant find another keyword that meets the criteria then I will have to find the next best alternative. Which will of course invalidate my guarantee but Im sure George and co. wont mind at all.

[Colin Klinkert]

Originally Posted by Dave d

Some valid points there. I actually enjoy KW research and usually find it the easier part of IM. As well as that I do KW research for clients, but this criteria set out seems a complete impossibility and Im slowing begining to wonder if its meant to be that way so people will just give up and move on to something new and then bang goes their guarantee as well as the original investment.

Like you said since this is errr a live challenge (they did say live yeh ok) I want to see them choose a keyword live that meets all of their criteria.

I'll spend another 5 minutes actually I meant 5 hours on this and if I cant find another keyword that meets the criteria then I will have to find the next best alternative. Which will of course invalidate my guarantee but Im sure George and co. wont mind at all.

What annoys me is the claim its 5 minutes. I do value my time, but I outsource most of the work so it's not a big deal, however, I feel for those people that asked over and over, you sure it takes only 5 minutes and they guaranteed it did.

My thinking is that it takes 5 minutes for them to explain to us what we need to do and that then takes a few hours!

Come join us in the chat thread I mentioned above if you like and want to talk specifics with only buyers and speak your mind

[SteveSch]

Hi all,

Thanks for the + sign info. I never would have seen this.

I think it really boils down to 2 things.

1.) They are trying to cover their assets. In the comments it seemed like many, if not most, people were trying for the 300% refund. That was in pretty much every post they made.

2.) We're all Guinea Pigs for their 'course'.

I really don't care about the 300%. I just wanted to learn to make a site that made $200 a month. Heck, even $50 a month would be OK.

It's a shame they are starting to play no comment games. There were actually a few comments that pointed out something good. Like the + sign.? I never would have found the plus sign.

Thank you,
Steve

[Global365]

I'm kinda pissed too about the comments feature but I think it may be a bit premature to burn them at the stake yet...let's give them another week to see their true colors, if nothing is clarified by then its time for a witch hunt ;-)


LOL...just got this back from support in regard to closed comments...apparently having comments enabled is overloading there servers...ROFL that is starting to smell like a wet dog on a hot august afternoon....

HI

We apologize for the inconvenience. The comments are temporarily disabled as requested by our host.

Ella

[rlaramli]

For those who are struggling with the keyword research like me, you may want to consider checking the video tutorials provided by Market Samurai.

I found them to be very refreshing! These videos definitely compliment those provided in this challenge program. There are 9 videos on keyword research and I watched all of them. In the Intro video, it mentioned the four golden rules and they are:

(1) Relevance
(2) Traffic
(3) Competition
(4) Commerciality

Wow, after watching all these videos I feel that I know so much better now than before on keyword research. This would definitely assist me in the Live SEO Challenge.

I am off to do my keyword research. I know I am rather slow, but I want to make sure I get over with this keyword issue before I proceed to the next steps because the keyword research step is very important..

[Aristocratic]

there's been no new videos since last week. thought we were supposed to be given m-f? would seem a course like this would be already setup to have vids ready to go. I feel delayed.

[Black Hat Cat]

Can we get a 200% refund for them not holding up their end of the bargain, lol? Nothing new yesterday or today. Absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason to screw everyone because a few people don't know how to write a freakin' article.

Might be time to go the chargeback route.

[Global365]

This is really starting to smell like another Tahiti Joe, and If Daniel Tan has any sense he will try and get these losers back on track or his reputation is gonna suffer bad for recommending and profiting from this mess to everyone. We can not only go after these idiots but we can go after Tan for a refund also..

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by Global365

This is really starting to smell like another Tahiti Joe, and If Daniel Tan has any sense he will try and get these losers back on track or his reputation is gonna suffer bad for recommending and profiting from this mess to everyone. We can not only go after these idiots but we can go after Tan for a refund also..

Oh, wait...it gets even better. According to their help desk, there will be no videos this week. They are going to be pushed back to next week.

Yep, will definitely be pushing for a chargeback now.

[Aristocratic]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Oh, wait...it gets even better. According to their help desk, there will be no videos this week. They are going to be pushed back to next week.

Yep, will definitely be pushing for a chargeback now.

Yeh got this from the 'help' desk:
Hi!
Since we've already used up so many days this week we're going to push everything back one week so that the next day will start on Monday of next week.


Yet we were not informed, and this is utterly ridiculous. We paid for daily training and are not getting it.

[Black Hat Cat]

Well, I can't really complain, because I pointed out in the original thread that it was a BS wso, so I only have myself to blame. Basically I joined to watch the scam unravel, but it still sucks losing money, assuming the chargeback fails.

[Global365]

Unless Tan starts refunding people for the commissions he made off of promoting this offer his reputation is going to be as good as dead on the forum...guess it will teach everyone to promote a scam..