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Well I launched my site about 3 weeks ago, in a not-so-competitive niche targetting the keyword "how to gain weight." I did EVERYTHING, I did article submsisions, press releases, built backlinks, had 301 redirects, sitemaps submitted to google, links to relevant sites, title with the keywords, bought programs and did complete SEO on my site. My optimization rate for that keyword is higher than all my top competitors... I did everything. Yet when I scan my pagerank, its still 0. When I search on the top 100 lists for the keyword "how to gain weight" I don't even end up on the top 500. Random websites show up before mines... WHATS GOING ON?! Its so frustrating because its like I have 0 recognition. At least rank 500 would show me somethings working! Btw my site is: gainweightspot.com |
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Mate I am confused you said you want PR in 3 weeks of work? You know google updates PR quarterly. And the next PR updation is quite possible in coming month. Coming to ranking you confuse me again.. you want ranking for 3 weeks of work? SEO needs patience. Even your built backlinks might not have got crawled. Keep patience dude if you don't have enough patience then SEO is not for you. Go for PPC. My advise don't broke keep building links.. hardwork pays.. | |
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| Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Massachusetts, USA
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You picked a very competitive niche so you're up against a lot of very big players. It sounds like you're doing everything right but you have to have some patience. PR and rankings take time, often more time than people realize, but it will pay off in the end. Tina |
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Results simply will not come overnight regardless of doing all of that and more. It is going to take time. 3 weeks? Are you kidding me? And for a fairly competitive term like that? And you're contemplating on giving up? I'm sorry, but if that is your mindset then you should do just that because you're defeated before you even got started. Instead of being frustrated you might want to continue building backlinks. How bad do you want to succeed? This business takes work despite all the hype and crap that is sold on IM. 3 weeks is absolutely nothing. |
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I was wondering about all of this myself. Would it be reasonable to expect that he would start to receive some results in like 6 months? If his back links get crawled then that would increase his page ranking at least a little. I guess what I'm wondering is how long does it really take to make an impact if you're really goin at it like that?? I haven't started my site yet, but soon will... |
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This niche is very competitive, it is not easy as you say it is. Do a yahoo backlinks search on all the competition on page on then average them all together to show you the backlink count you will need to even have a chance. go to Yahoo, then type in link url). this will show you how many links a site has to it through the site explorer. You will not do this with only 3 weeks of work. trust me. my first niche ever was weight loss because i thought it was easy...it's not. haha. keep working though there's lots of money to be made in that niche! I can help you also if you're new to this. follow my blog i'll show you how to be successful.
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In this case, it sounds like the competitiveness of the niche is the problem. | |
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This site is fine just give it some time a month or 2 at least minor things The title contains stop words which are ignored by the most search engines.: Stop Words: on ,how ,to No external links found. No internal anchor links found. Display in Google: GainWeightSpot - Hardgainers Guide on How To Gain Weight Your one stop solution on all the facts and information on how to gain weight and pack on lean muscle, designed specifically for the skinny hardgaine... GainWeightSpot - Hardgainers Guide on How To Gain Weight |
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| Backlink Energizer War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny So Cal
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Sorry homie - but you aint even warmed up yet ... Here's the first competitor you'll need to knock off How to Gain Weight and Build Muscle Naturally the other is anAbout.com site [ usually a beeeeyotch to beat em but doable How to Gain Weight - I Want to Find Out How to Gain Weight gainweight.info is a pr 5 w/ 2k backlinks showing just in yahoo site explorer ... you have 15 backlinks. enuff with the on page seo mental masterrrrr ...errrr ... never mind ... Dude you need massive amounts more backlinks to compete if you want to play the organic search game on those keywords. I mean really - look at the page thats ranking #3 ... at the content LOL thats high quality? its a decent MFA site brother - its all about the backlinks. When youre ready to commit to tossing 2500-5000 backlinks at that page and/or some other crafty seo - then youreready to play - you have done FAR from everything sir.... sorry to be the one to inform of this. Backlinks Forum Spend some time there Quote:
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You need about 2,000 - 5,000 if you want to be first page for that particular keyword. Get Scrapebox. | |
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Frustrated in 3 weeks when entering a touch niche like that? What made you think it was so easy?
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some imaginary list, that if you complete, you will find riches. There is no such list. If there is, as soon as you do the last item, you are half way there. I need to bookmark that vacuum thread. Your site is not in a vacuum. Many people preach they are and produce the magical list. You are not the only one who starts a thread like this, and not the last. Your pagerank should actually be n/a, not 0. Now, go read some more threads here on what really to do. Paul | |
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Mabe you should outsurce SEO and get on with a not so competetive market. It might takes months or longer for 'gain weight' to start making $ and SEO is potentially a time consuming business.
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3 weeks is too short to get result. You have to work harder than that. Submit post in Forum like this with your signature could increase your number of back link. Keep on working and wish you more luck. |
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3 weeks isn't too short for ranking, you should be in top 100 if at least if you are just starting on SEO. There is a honeymoon period in Google in which you have to capitalize when you start building links. All your links are low quantity. You need high page rank links, I'd recommend you outsource your SEO effort if you only got 20 indexed links in Yahoo in 3 weeks. When I first started, I spent about $500 to $1k a month building upwards of 5k links a month, you aren't doing enough. I'd be happy to talk to you step by step if you have the time, please PM me. |
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| Lethal SEO Kung Fu Master War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mason, MI 48854
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I think you're right. You have put so much work into your campaign and it's still at PR 0. I'd quit too if I were you. I mean three whole weeks of work? Man. I feel for you bud. I don't know what I would do if I ever put that much work into a site and still have it be at PR 0 after three weeks.
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Instead of 3 weeks, you should be looking at 3 years or thereabouts. You're competing against 81,000,000 results and it is a highly competitive niche to begin with! |
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AlfredM, Hey I think I see a major problem with your site theme. Do you realize that you have 9 <H1> tags on your Index page? You need to edit your Wordpress theme, change all those <H1> blog post Titles to maybe an <H2> tag. Then wrap the main keywords that you want to rank in the Google SERPs for, with a single <H1> tag. So If you want to rank for the keywords "Gain Weight" you need those keywords wrapped in the <H1> tag, example: <h1>Gain Weight</h1>. This won't solve all your problems, but at least you'll do better than you are now. After you fix the Wordpress Theme, I would post as many blog post as you can in a week, maybe 10 blog post spread out over 7 days. Right now you have Google so confused for what your trying to say is the most important keywords, by having 9 <H1> tags on the Index page. BTW, here is how Google is looking at your Index page, Code: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mOOlYT49XecJ:gainweightspot.com/+site:gainweightspot.com&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1 |
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Backlinks are fine, but get your on-page SEO done first. If Google doesn't have a clue what your site is about, all the backlink anchor-text will only add to the confusion/mess. |
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I think that "newsslider" plugin on the Index page is also killing your site in the SERPs. That plugin/code is creating HUGE anchor-text (5 - sets of huge anchor-text) You have 5 paragraphs, each is a single anchor-text. Your anchor-text should only be specific keywords that you want the page to rank for in the SERPs (that's it, nothing more). Here is all the anchor-text about 1/4 way down the page, just below the Contribute anchor-text. Find a better newsslider plugin... |
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| Quote: You been hanging out at the DP forums? That backlink preaching is hilarious each time it's posted. ![]() Why bother with a site, lets just backlink & call it a day... You don't need thousands of backlinks like you guys are preaching. | |
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Hey there Alfred Ok so you are not ranked in the top 500 ( yet ). Your site is indexed. Currently as of the 29th of August 2010 you have 22 backlinks to your site. The number one competitor in Google for your keyword is How To Gain Weight and Build Muscle Fast. This site has 1997 backlinks coming in. You are not going to compete against about.com by virtue of the fact that most people associate this site as an authority that will not try sell them things, so it isn't a direct competitor if you catch my drift. YOu just need to package your site different to them. As far as I can tell your keyword has 82,000,000 results of whick the in quotes competition is around 114,000 and the allintitle competition is 413,000. So the only real problem here is your are the new guy! 3 weeks and you want to topple two established sites, one of them about.com. NO CHANCE! If you want fast and instant results then do a PPC campaign. IF you want SEO results start targeting a lot more keywords around that primary keyword and settle yourself in for 4 - 6 months of work. Your site is decent enough. Just be patient my friend and of course consistent. Keep building links and you will get there. |
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I have to agree with these statements in particular. 1. If that's all it takes to dissuade you then you may wish to take a look under the hood before you even so much as think about accomplishing anything in life. Just my 2 cents. 2. You might want to take a better look at what it will take to compete in a niche before entering. Because A)Your site is not pinging for your keyword. B) you have 29 links to domain with many of them as internals. C) you only have 10 links page external to home D) your keyword density on home is 1% E) all your Hi,H2,H3's are 0 yep ZERO F) your key word is not bolded, not underlined, not italicized G) Your key words on home are not spread out over the page properly (yes I know this is minor but it does help a tad in competitive niches. H) your title is only at 50% for a single keyword billboard site. There's more but this should get you going in the right direction. AND- no one here is being negative towards you with the "then you should quit" comments. But what were you thinking the response would be, the name of the forum is "The Warrior Forum". These people never quit, it's not in their nature. OP | ||
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It never ceases to amaze me - and i could rant on on this forever ... the amount of people who expect to attain Internet / Online Marketing success - using a computer as their primary tool no less... that cannot even unzip a file, save a file to disc correctly or install even a wordpress blog!!! Can barely find the windows START button ffs. "Hi Boss, yup its my first day here at ABC House Framing Company ... Hammer? Skillsaw? I dont want to have to take the time to learn all that jive .. i just want to get straight to the building stuff! I just want to show and tell people what to do ... oh and Im sure that's worth $35 an hr. to you right boss ... you dont understand Im special and ... well I also NEED to make money tomorrow..." "Ohh yeah and where are the cool moist towels, Im allergic to sweat" | |
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Backlink variety would not hurt and 3 weekes is far too short a time to assess impact of backlinking efforts. Go blog commenting, articles, videos etc and expect results in about a year judging by comp in your niche
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And if I may...your 3 week SEO campaign is not "complete SEO". SEO is a process. It is not a grocery list for the week. When you need some content, I would be glad to help. I have experience in weight gain, eat after midnight, potato chips, pop, pizza, joe louis, ice cream and couch surfing. It's a slow process, but helps with with Weight gain!
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could do with a rearrange but nice website
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I just wanted him to understand if you start a thread here like that of course your going to get beat up a bit, actually it's to be expected. Now, pose the question like this. "Warriors, I have done everything I know and it's not working. I refuse to give up my dream and would truly appreciate it if you would tear my site apart and tell me what would you do?" Maybe not those exact words but you get it. Then this awesome community would jump at the chance to help just as they and yourself have done countless times before. Life is all about attitude!!! OP | |
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available. This forum makes that info readily available. I for one am tired of the same old same old "doing everything" and then hear complaints of failings. When in actuality, they have done little or no real SEO, and want someone to do a complete SEO make-over for free. If you really want a free seo makeover, first check out google websmaster guidelines and best practices. Subscribe to their blog. Get thee hence and do likewise. Second, read this forum. You cannot make over someone's site in one thread on a forum, no matter how GREAT the WF is! See that link above this forum:SEO - Frequently Asked Questions That should be required reading. Paul | |
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There's some pretty good keywords there. Sounds like my diet. Love it. Pete | |
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Is that how you started?Sounds like experience to me. Go easy on him he was asking for advice and didn't know. Some people blow a lot of smoke hes not, he just wants to earn so help not hinder. | |
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Welcome to the wonderful world of online marketing. It's just like the real world. Nothing comes cheap or free. | |
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In internet marketing, you have to be patient because it is not like an instant noodles. I am sure one day you will reap what you have sown.
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| My hope is always for the positive and so I HOPE he does take all of this in stride and uses it to chart a new course. Here's something I wrote a while back that he may find useful as I only want to help not hinder. "If circumstance was truly governance then it would abash the morale of all men alike. The fact that it does not proves that the fate lies not in the circumstance but in the heart and mind of he who encounters it." OP |
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Thank you all for the response, even the harsh ones. But let me clear some things up first. I think some of you guys might have misunderstood me. I don't know too much about SEO, as I just started and this is my first time, but I didn't at all expect to be in the top page after 3 weeks. My question was, why I'm not even on the top 500. Random websites that have nothing to do with weight gain are even on the top 500, and not mines. That was the main question. And I got my answer, it seems as if google updates it quarterly. So thank you for answering that. Oh and thank you for the H1 heading suggestion, I just changed it all to H2 and kept only the keyword in h1. The warriorforum is truly amazing. Thank you all for the help. |
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Thats ok - your post sounds like ignorance to me ... certainly not experience. [ you know nothing about me ] The fact is - i wasnt even referring to the OP - it was directed at the general influx of people coming on board here and in IM generally - the same type that are asking for refunds on products because its not an instant viagra dose for their paypal ... just click download. 3 weeks and I tried everything .. and i want to give up ... ponder that again for a minute ... good luck to you both ... and as a matter of fact i did assist him with information he could actually take action on. What value did you add bro? peace.... | |
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OMG, if you think you can do 3 weeks work and be killin it in a niche like that youv got to be kidding yourself, you website had PR as soon as its indexed in Google, only a fraction thats closer to 0 than 1, Google toolbar is only a rough outdated guide at best. Forget about PR and if you want to give up after 3 weeks, i dont think IM is for you.
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Listen to everyone who posted already..thats a hard niche..it isnt easy. First you need to know that PR isnt important its all about SERP. It takes time to get ranked..only 3 weeks is NOTHING. you cant even check backlinks in 3 weeks haha. They dont even show up. Keep working at it, PR and backlinks wont even show up when you check using seomoz or anything else. It takes time man, its not that easy..if it took 3 weeks then sites would constantly be changing in the index but they arent for the most part.. |
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look at the #2 guy in Google SERPs for the keyword (gain weight). The guy has an index page & a privacy policy, 75 backlinks, that's it. What's so hard about that? The only thing I see is the #2 guy has an old domain, but If you look at wayback, that site has only been used to promote similar keyword sites that they own. | |
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The reason I brought up domain age for #2 guy was, it's the only thing I see compared to the OP site that's different. | |
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It is kind of funny that everyone here is saying "Only 3 weeks?", or "3 weeks isn't nearly enough time", or even "You need 2,000 more backlinks", but if you look at the WSO's, promises of success after a short time or a short list of tasks seems to be the main selling theme. This person is probably new to IM, and believed the sales pitch that the big guys were throwing to him. Now not everyone promises the moon for a 3 page site and a few articles, but how many sales pitches have you read promising success in just a short time and believed them when you were first starting out. This person just got caught believing what he was sold. Stick with it, and keep doing more of what you have done. Give it some time and learn about other things you can do to increase rank and traffic. Just don't give up, learn from your trials, and you will get everything you want. |
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Dude I looked at your site and can't really tell what you are selling? oh,now I see it's an ebook and affiliate links to the bodybuilding.com site. I think your URL is not helping you in your rankings- nobody types in "gain weight spot' into google. Right now "GainWeightNow.org" is available on godaddy as I write this for $15.00 bucks. Try to think of a 3-4 word search term along these lines for your URL. I checked cost per click for adsense and it is very low for gaining weight, but VERY high for losing weight as anyone knows. So, if you go adsense for your site, don't expect a whole lot of $. I'm not a Wordpress expert but the gentlemen above mentioned the H1, H2 tags which really help your ranking if done right. There is a guy on here selling a wordpress plugin "seopresser" for not a whole lot, I'd look into it-It would help with your tags. no, I'm not an affiliate of his and I'm not selling anything in my PS. Good luck my friend Jimmy |
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Im sure he can on page seo his way to the top spot for the keywords he posted ... ALL the best with that. | |
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