The End Of The Xfactor Forum

[joesemo]

Hi Guys,

Just checked in with the Xfactor forum and here is what is there...........

Dear Members,

The forum is permanently closed due to a legal issue I have been dragged into between a 3rd party seller and a 3rd party buyer of several websites that were advertised on this forum. Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on.

The Scoop - Please Do Not Ask Me Any Questions Beyond The Following, As I Cannot Answer Them:

It essentially boils down to one member of the forum who paid another member thousands of dollars for some websites. The buyer never received his websites and went on a severe rampage on me personally, because he claimed since it was 'my forum' then I should be responsible.

He then got a lawyer with a cease and desist involved, and its just too much stress for me to handle.

This has become a very disheartening situation because the forum was designed to help people, not create personal liabilities due to the actions of others.

Video Project Customers: I do have over 300 video clips taken throughout a 14 week period. Although it was my first video project and the clips are all over the place, I have them all off to a professional editor to hopefully salvage them into a legible, communicative product. He should be finished mid-September but if you'd like a refund now then please contact me and I'll schedule it for you.

Forum Members (last 30 days): If you joined in the last 30 days, and you would like a refund on your forum payment, then please email me and I'll schedule your payment.

Coaching Clients: This does not affect you at all. We're all good to go, the initial phone consultations have been made and the coaching is going on daily (you know where your coaching area is at.)

[dfrerking]

Attention all Xfactor Forum moderators

Let's save the content and continue the community by creating a new forum for all existing members. See if you can get a copy of the content and the member list from John and start a new forum. Please make it happen!

[yukon]

I don't belong to the old forum, but I already said in another WF forum post. You guys can still start another forum.

I'm sure between all of the members at least one guy has server space to host a free phpbb forum.

Just make it a point on the new forum, any money transaction on the new forum will get you banned (cover your own A$$).

[Tom Goodwin]

John should have asked me to represent him and I would have told the other lawyer where to stick it

Clearly a headache but in the long run its one of those situations that you just want to say "are you kidding me?"

Originally Posted by joesemo

Hi Guys,

Just checked in with the Xfactor forum and here is what is there...........

Dear Members,

The forum is permanently closed due to a legal issue I have been dragged into between a 3rd party seller and a 3rd party buyer of several websites that were advertised on this forum. Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on.

The Scoop - Please Do Not Ask Me Any Questions Beyond The Following, As I Cannot Answer Them:

It essentially boils down to one member of the forum who paid another member thousands of dollars for some websites. The buyer never received his websites and went on a severe rampage on me personally, because he claimed since it was 'my forum' then I should be responsible.

He then got a lawyer with a cease and desist involved, and its just too much stress for me to handle.

This has become a very disheartening situation because the forum was designed to help people, not create personal liabilities due to the actions of others.

Video Project Customers: I do have over 300 video clips taken throughout a 14 week period. Although it was my first video project and the clips are all over the place, I have them all off to a professional editor to hopefully salvage them into a legible, communicative product. He should be finished mid-September but if you'd like a refund now then please contact me and I'll schedule it for you.

Forum Members (last 30 days): If you joined in the last 30 days, and you would like a refund on your forum payment, then please email me and I'll schedule your payment.

Coaching Clients: This does not affect you at all. We're all good to go, the initial phone consultations have been made and the coaching is going on daily (you know where your coaching area is at.)

[JamesM]

I'd host any new forum. If people are interested then PM me. I'd need a couple of experienced and willing mods, but it's easily set up.

[Terry Gorry]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

John should have asked me to represent him and I would have told the other lawyer where to stick it

Clearly a headache but in the long run its one of those situations that you just want to say "are you kidding me?"

Absolutely, which would leave you wondering why he shut it down.

As a fellow lawyer, you and I both know that lawyers send out letters everyday which are purely speculative and essentially chancing one's arm.

If they are ignored no further action will be taken for a number of reasons..
1. cost of pursuing proceedings
2. ultimately winning against someone who is not a "mark" rendering the victory pyrrhic
3. uncertain outcome
4. losing and having costs awarded against you for pursuing frivolous claims.

My conclusion is that it suited John to pull the plug for reasons we can only speculate about..

Terry

[johnnyborga]

I am member of John's forum as well, and consider the end of this forum a big loss for all of us. Things should not be that way, he is not responsible for third parties scammers and for third parties ingenuous #$&@!! persons.

I agree we should start a new one if the original one is definitely gone for good, I am available to give my contribution if you guys decide to go for it.

[erazer]

I guess we need to keep this thread free of angry posts if we want it to survive. We really need to make another forum happen.

[miker501]

yeah, be shouldn't mention all the money he owes hundreds of people, just getting another forum up would be good

[Terry Gorry]

Originally Posted by johnnyborga

I am member of John's forum as well, and consider the end of this forum a big loss for all of us. Things should not be that way, he is not responsible for third parties scammers and for third parties ingenuous #$&@!! persons.

I agree we should start a new one if the original one is definitely gone for good, I am available to give my contribution if you guys decide to go for it.

That is the point-he is not responsible for third party activity.

But he IS responsible for closing down the forum (and collecting a LOT of cash in advance for a video series that he did not deliver on and for failing to provide the updated book).

Saying the update book was a freebie and consequently he had no obligation is a nonsense because I encouraged and induced other people to join the forum and one of the benefits that those people relied in making their decision to join was the updated book.

Terry

[guest]

John did keep pushing the free update book back - but he did have his reasons. As people in his forum have read, and most people understood.

I think it really would be ashame if all the posts/members/etc just disapear. The success stories and tips were great.

But as i said in the last thread that got closed - has the forum gone because google has a problem with the xfactor method?

If you read this john, please let us have a database dump and open it up again. Too much will be lost for people trying to still follow your advice.

Or even better - just give us an update here on wf if there is any chance of the forum reopening

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by Terry Gorry

My conclusion is that it suited John to pull the plug for reasons we can only speculate about..

To be fair I think he's been fairly clear:

"Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on."

John also recently said that the couching program will be his last 'public' project (it said words to this effect in the coaching board description)

As you say, we can only speculate. I think that John's a great, helpful guy with good intentions. But that he's had loads of attention since his original thread, and - due to the way the internet works - some of that will no doubt have been negative.

I guess (and it is just that, a complete and utter guess) that months of negativity from a very small minority, and now some silly 3rd party buyer threatening John, has caused him to close things down.

I don't see it as a great conspiracy really

Originally Posted by guest

But as i said in the last thread that got closed - has the forum gone because google has a problem with the xfactor method?

The xFactor method revolves around making sites with good, helpful content.

If Google has a problem with content, Google are dead.

So no, I don't think that the forums have anything to do with Google's decisions. Nor do I think that Google dislikes content.

Originally Posted by Terry Gorry

But he IS responsible for closing down the forum (and collecting a LOT of cash in advance for a video series that he did not deliver on and for failing to provide the updated book).

Saying the update book was a freebie and consequently he had no obligation is a nonsense because I encouraged and induced other people to join the forum and one of the benefits that those people relied in making their decision to join was the updated book.

I thought the updated book was being made available to all original customers, not just forum members?

Either way, I agree that he handled the video series and updated book pretty badly. But again, I honestly think that John is a good guy with good intentions. I just think that he tried doing too much (handling a publishing 'empire' making good 3 figures per day, coaching, answering e-mails personally, video series, updated book, a forums, etc etc) and this ultimately was a bad decision. Perhaps now that he'll be less in the public eye and the forums won't be around (and he's said coaching will be his last project), he'll be less likely to completely miss ETAs in the future?

It's also worth noting that he's said loads of times that he's happy to refund anyone's payment made on the video series. I don't think he's been anything but honest when it comes to that? I just think he tried doing too much and in doing so kept breaking deadlines.

[warbar]

Originally Posted by TristanPerry

To be fair I think he's been fairly clear:

"Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on."

John also recently said that the couching program will be his last 'public' project (it said words to this effect in the coaching board description)

As you say, we can only speculate. I think that John's a great, helpful guy with good intentions. But that he's had loads of attention since his original thread, and - due to the way the internet works - some of that will no doubt have been negative.

I guess (and it is just that, a complete and utter guess) that months of negativity from a very small minority, and now some silly 3rd party buyer threatening John, has caused him to close things down.

I don't see it as a great conspiracy really


The xFactor method revolves around making sites with good, helpful content.

If Google has a problem with content, Google are dead.

So no, I don't think that the forums have anything to do with Google's decisions. Nor do I think that Google dislikes content.




I thought the updated book was being made available to all original customers, not just forum members?

Either way, I agree that he handled the video series and updated book pretty badly. But again, I honestly think that John is a good guy with good intentions. I just think that he tried doing too much (handling a publishing 'empire' making good 3 figures per day, coaching, answering e-mails personally, video series, updated book, a forums, etc etc) and this ultimately was a bad decision. Perhaps now that he'll be less in the public eye and the forums won't be around (and he's said coaching will be his last project), he'll be less likely to completely miss ETAs in the future?

It's also worth noting that he's said loads of times that he's happy to refund anyone's payment made on the video series. I don't think he's been anything but honest when it comes to that? I just think he tried doing too much and in doing so kept breaking deadlines.

Very well stated. Agree on all points. If this thread gets deleted, Tristan's post should be posted and locked. Always felt John's a good guy - just bit off more than he (or anyone else) could chew without a staff to help out.

I do hope he comes through the the updated book seeing as it must be done by now, but I'm not holding out much hope. Why would he want to release it and open himself up for more hassles with questions, etc.? Especially where he's said it was going to be released at no cost to those who already purchased his original book? Nothing in it for him other than honoring his word. If he's out of the public limelight for good, I don't think he's going to really care about what others may think about him.

In the end, those who have applied his tactics and have been around a while made far more than they paid for his course, so most should have no beef.

[svalegria]

I would be interested in any attempt at a new forum. Even better if we can get a dump of the old one. John is a good gy but you could read the growing frustration in his words. He must have felt this was the right time to just make an exit.

Let's not let the community die and fade away.
Dan

[johnnyborga]

Originally Posted by Terry Gorry

That is the point-he is not responsible for third party activity.

But he IS responsible for closing down the forum (and collecting a LOT of cash in advance for a video series that he did not deliver on and for failing to provide the updated book).

Saying the update book was a freebie and consequently he had no obligation is a nonsense because I encouraged and induced other people to join the forum and one of the benefits that those people relied in making their decision to join was the updated book.

Terry

He did not deliver the video series or the ebook yet, but he said he will keep working on it. I understand he is delayed, but I also understand he is delayed because of personal problems that could happen to any of us. I also understand most people just cant wait for the releases, and the solution he offered is to refund, so why do you complain about the video series ? if you cant wait, then just ask the refund.

The new ebook should not be the main reason to join John's forum (I would never induce others to join anything based on something that does was not released yet). The forum itself should be the reason, as all the good information I learned during the short time I have been a member worths gold and I will not ask for refund despite I have the option to get refunded. It is just a pitty it closed, so please anyone get the forum data and start a new forum if john decides to close his own for good.

So in my case I will just keep waiting for the new ebook, and will keep hoping the forum opens again.

[johnnyborga]

Originally Posted by svalegria

I would be interested in any attempt at a new forum. Even better if we can get a dump of the old one. John is a good gy but you could read the growing frustration in his words. He must have felt this was the right time to just make an exit.

Let's not let the community die and fade away.
Dan

I am with you, do you think there is any chance we could dump the old one ? if not do you think a new forum should start from zero ?

[rmills]

I was a member of the forum and considered it to be one of the best investments I'd made in IM. Very sad to see it closed.

[johnnyborga]

Originally Posted by rmills

I was a member of the forum and considered it to be one of the best investments I'd made in IM. Very sad to see it closed.

truth is that it was my second best investment in internet marketing. The best investment was john's course. Both made me get my confidence back about being successful with building a business online. I tried so many things, white hat, black hat, grey hat, but now thanks to john I am sure I am in the right direction to achieve my goals

[Matt Helphrey]

Just a little "heads up" would've been cool. Too bad that we lose out because of a few idiots. It is what it is. Let's start up a new one...

[johnnyborga]

I guess most who joined john's course and forum came from warriorforum, I dont think it would be too difficult to reach most of the members of the original forum. Any idea on how the forum would be settled and organized ? would it follow the original forum ? would it be free ? would it be paid ? (except for members coming from johns forum).

[bluefoot]

I am wondering why all threads that discuss the Xfactor forum end up deleted? Is there a forum rule that is being violated?

[johnnyborga]

Originally Posted by bluefoot

I am wondering why all threads that discuss the Xfactor forum end up deleted? Is there a forum rule that is being violated?

Probably yes

[Trin]

I feel like the kiss of death to these "XFactor Forum" threads. Three posts in three threads and all three threads deleted.

I belonged to John's forum for only a few days and was greatly enjoying it, then it was turned off. I received a refund promptly, but would gladly pay again to join its replacement.

As a side note... I don't understand why entire threads get deleted so easily... why not just delete the offending posts and issue a warning to the poster? Just wondering...

[zapata]

Originally Posted by Trin

As a side note... I don't understand why entire threads get deleted so easily... why not just delete the offending posts and issue a warning to the poster? Just wondering...

My guess is that they don't want anyone talking about starting up another forum which would distract people from coming here. I got booted off a forum once for posting a link to my own forum and asking others to visit it.

Just a guess...

[Radix]

I guess my immediate question would be, "why?" Is there some reason why those same discussions can't occur here on WF? Was it the people? I can assure you that nearly every member of John's forum was also a WF member.

I think a lot of folks found comfort there because the community was polite and respectful. Maybe some folks here just need to take a page from that book. At one time, WF was very similar.

Additionally, and this is simply my opinion, stop looking for others to walk you by the hand. The xfactor forum was great, but tended to attract a lot of people who wanted to be spoon fed. You will not succeed as long you depend on others. Read, synthesize and do. Constant discussion second guessing every thing is typically referred to as procrastination.

As for the people bashing John, you'd do well to recall how this whole thing got started. If you feel shortchanged, ask him for a refund. If you're mad you didn't get something for free, why? If you were spending hours on the xfactor forum everyday, use that time now to do some work. You really do have all the skills and knowledge you need to succeed.

It's a disappointing loss for those of us who enjoyed the xfactor forum. Creating a new one without John and his crew will likely not result in the same type of learning community in which case why not just use WF?

[johnnyborga]

Originally Posted by Radix

I guess my immediate question would be, "why?" Is there some reason why those same discussions can't occur here on WF? Was it the people? I can assure you that nearly every member of John's forum was also a WF member.

I think a lot of folks found comfort there because the community was polite and respectful. Maybe some folks here just need to take a page from that book. At one time, WF was very similar.

Additionally, and this is simply my opinion, stop looking for others to walk you by the hand. The xfactor forum was great, but tended to attract a lot of people who wanted to be spoon fed. You will not succeed as long you depend on others. Read, synthesize and do. Constant discussion second guessing every thing is typically referred to as procrastination.

As for the people bashing John, you'd do well to recall how this whole thing got started. If you feel shortchanged, ask him for a refund. If you're mad you didn't get something for free, why? If you were spending hours on the xfactor forum everyday, use that time now to do some work. You really do have all the skills and knowledge you need to succeed.

It's a disappointing loss for those of us who enjoyed the xfactor forum. Creating a new one without John and his crew will likely not result in the same type of learning community in which case why not just use WF?

I guess you are right, a new forum will never be the same thing, I really enjoyed reading each word of it, my business does not depend on it, it depends on applying what I learned with the course (I am taking action). However, I found lots of useful information and motivation, we cannot deny it, and I will miss this.
Lets just hope the forum is re-activated. If not this is not the end of the world.

[Trin]

The "Why" for me is because it was a group who shared a single method and built upon and expanded it. Although I was only there for a short time, I enjoyed the posters and general camaraderie.

This forum is great for an overall sense of what is going on and what is new, but I find I get overwhelmed and sometimes distracted by the sheer size, scope and number of posts.

[1byte]

I've posted on two previous threads about the demise of the Xfactor forum, and both threads have been deleted for some reason. So, not to jeapardize this thread, I just want to put in my 2 cents about it.

Like many others, I'm very disheartened and disappointed that John has shut the forum down without any prior notice whatsoever. Forum members were always very helpful, and there was a lot of good useful info in there that I would like to retrieve. It appears I won't be able to do that now.

It's real shame the forum was closed the way it was, and I already miss it...

[mbmehmet]

Wow.

Many of you are gullable, it's unbelievable! I am not going to say who I am, but let me say I was a member of the forum and a very active one at that ;-) Thats all I am saying.

I knew something like this going to happen...why you may ask? Well, what money would be made from giving a free update on a new book. I don't want to start a slanging match, but I lost respect for Mr John a long time ago.

Think about it....John was naive to state early on that an update to the ebook would be free, this was when the first book was on the verge of becoming so big. What do you do when you promise something that you soon come to realise was a mistake....Delay after delay after delay, over 1 year.

Now many of you say, " But it was gonna be free, john is not obliged to deliver"...Well, I beg to differ. For one whether it free or not a person should stick to his word, no matter what, as any respect is at risk of being lost. Secondly over 1 year for an ebook! Seriously, he was quick enough to get it out when customers were dribbling over there keyboards. Thirdly, how many excuses! I mean seriously, and on top of that he piles on projects after projects to rake in cash in advance....Private coaching section, video project etc etc. What the hell was that about! Man, I wouldnt mind paying for the ebook, just dont go treating people like mugs.

So, how do you go about getting out of something that you promised that in reality is like giving away a pot of gold? ie: ( Giving a free update to his book) Well, you close the forum....That way, forum members and those that were promised the update for free would instead have to pay further down the line.

Watch this space, John will be back, with an updated book, more money for him in the end.

People, he is a marketer first and foremost. You really think that thread he started a year back was started with no intention. Wise up and stop being so naive. You will see......

[kevinflatt]

I was a moderator on the XFactor forum and I can say that John nearly gave up the forum some time ago due to some people causing him headaches. These issues were resolved at the time. I also can vouch for the part about the sites being sold and the buyer taking it out on John for not receiving the websites.

John admitted all along to us that he was "learning" when it came to running a forum and I felt he often took things a little too personally.

Regarding the updated book, I suggested to John some time ago that he was being too much of a perfectionist and I guess that is the reason why the book has not materialized, but I do have to say (and I consider myself a friend of John's, so no hard feelings here) that I am surprised he looks like not keeping his word. I would of thought that with his usual integrity he would honor his promise.

I too am going to miss the forum as I made a number of friends there and liked seeing people actually progress with making money online for the first time. There is no other forum that can really claim that honor.

Kevin

[thehobbster]

Man, some of you guys are twisted. It's obvious you associate money with evil. Not everything is a conspiracy or attempt to extort others. You expose your own thinking.

[mbmehmet]

Ok. I knew a reply like that of hobster would come. I couldn't care less what others think, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

All I will say is, I was one of the members of that forum that many followed regularly, was I a moderator?.......I don't know you tell me......

Let me start by saying what has happened is very similar to what happened to john in the past. He had a forum before if I am not mistaken, and a coaching program..then disappeared off the face of the planet......

As for John being a perfectionist, perhaps, but that doesn't mean it should take over a year to finish an ebook. I am not putting my opinion across to ridicule John, in fact, like i said I HAD respect for the man, but that was lost a while ago....

Wait and see my friend, wait and see............................................

[thehobbster]

mbmehmet,

I wasn't targeting you specifically, nor do I aim at calling you a liar. Not my intention at all. To clarify my stance...

I once ran a successful forum. In fact it was my best money maker to date. Then two of my top members began warring. They started putting mutual friends in between each other, on the forums and in instant messenging. They turned the whole thing sour. Regular posters left. Then I got put in the middle of it. I eventually abandoned the forum.

That's what I was getting at. I've seen this exact scenario, in fact, was a part of it. And I resolved it in the same fashion.

[mbmehmet]

Fair point hobbster, I apologize.

[clickbumped]

That sucks...I agree with a lot of you members should get together and try to get the site up again!

[scrapgirl42]

If someone gets a new forum together will you please pm me? I don't have enough posts here to send pm's.

My 2 cents on the xfactor forum: Yes, many of us are members of the Warrior Forum, but what the xfactor forum had that this one didn't is a small, intimate group. It was easy to follow threads and when you asked a question it didn't get lost in the hundreds of threads being constantly updated. I felt like I could trust the members there - they have helped me and given advice to others that was beneficial as well. Plus, I really liked reading the successes, because they were so inspirational.

I am disappointed the forum closed, I will miss it profoundly. Not only for the people, but for the trusted advice.

To John - thank you a million times over. Before I read your book I had only made a couple of dollars with IM. Because of what I learned I now make a decent part time income (since I only do this part time). I have built on what you taught and applied it in my own way and it works - just like you promised. Thank you, thank you!

[1byte]

I too appreciate the great info I got from John and others in the forum.

However, closing the forum down so abruptly without a warning, or not even providing a way for us to access threads in a locked forum is unfair to the paid members of the forum. Yes, remember we did have to pay to join this forum and it was supposed to be a "lifetime" membership. I've been a member of that forum for only about 10 months. Not much of a lifetime membership as far as I'm concerned.

This is indeed a very poor business decision on John's part, and one that will adversely affect all of us who count on the forum for invaluable information, mutual support, and encouragement.

[equity]

I could see this coming. I paid for the video series several months ago and decided after seeing the videos being delayed for so long that I would request a refund. I have been waiting for several weeks now for my refund but still haven't received a dime. John said his paypal account got "hacked" so i had to request the refund from paypal as he couldn't refund it.

My opinion this guy has fallen on hard times and doesnt have the funds to pay people back. Not that he is dishonest at heart but he seems to have gotten himself in a bad situation. I personally think he should refund everyone their $ that paid to join the forum. I dont recall seeing anything when i signed up that the forum would only be open a certain period of time. I was under the impression that it was unlimited access to the forum I had paid for???

I will be surprised if I ever see my $99 back i paid for the video series let alone to see him man up and pay back the fee for forum access.

[mbmehmet]

Joesmo

I totally agree with what you are saying. I am not on a personal crusade against john at all, but the truth of the matter is that what john taught is information widely available on the net, for free!

Adsense abover the fold, clean layout...It's nothing magical. If anything what john had taught was the bare essentials. I feel alot of people on the forum are to blame to some extent for there naiveness.

1 delay, 2 delay, 3 delays, 4 delays........ yet still many of the members were like " Dont worry john take care of this and that" ..."Its cool john you have gave anough value"...."Take it easy john no rush".....

When someone stepped up to show some resentment or even comment on where his ebook was, you know what happened?

THREADS DELETED
ACCOUNTS CLOSED

Plain & Simple...............................

What makes it worse is that most of the community itself were so far up it's own ass, they were like personal bodyguards to john himself.. It was a joke.

[Trin]

I requested and received a refund from John for my forum membership within 24 hours. I had only belonged to his forum a a short while.

[Llola]

Originally Posted by equity

.... I personally think he should refund everyone their $ that paid to join the forum. I dont recall seeing anything when i signed up that the forum would only be open a certain period of time. I was under the impression that it was unlimited access to the forum I had paid for....

I feel the same way. A lot of people paid for Lifetime access to the forum and now that's been taken away. Not cool.

[Radix]

Originally Posted by mbmehmet

Joesmo

I totally agree with what you are saying. I am not on a personal crusade against john at all, but the truth of the matter is that what john taught is information widely available on the net, for free!

Adsense abover the fold, clean layout...It's nothing magical. If anything what john had taught was the bare essentials. I feel alot of people on the forum are to blame to some extent for there naiveness.

1 delay, 2 delay, 3 delays, 4 delays........ yet still many of the members were like " Dont worry john take care of this and that" ..."Its cool john you have gave anough value"...."Take it easy john no rush".....

When someone stepped up to show some resentment or even comment on where his ebook was, you know what happened?

THREADS DELETED
ACCOUNTS CLOSED

Plain & Simple...............................

What makes it worse is that most of the community itself were so far up it's own ass, they were like personal bodyguards to john himself.. It was a joke.

You're giving some pretty mixed signals and your "opinion" is starting to look like an agenda. People who had their accounts deleted from the forum essentially committed suicide. The rules were very clear and being a pest wasn't a right. No one ever had their account closed without due warning. Words mean something and if the owner of a forum warns you to stop doing something, you do have a choice, but you also have to live with that decision.

[mbmehmet]

Radix

It seems you have an agenda. Please do not tell me what happened in that forum and what didn't. Being a moderator I was privy to what was happening inside and out, so please do not patronise me.

Unless you was there in the private section then please, please do not comment.

I don't know why I waste my time to be honest. Do what you will....I would have loved to pass my opinion on to members of that forum way before it was closed but i knew 2 things, 1 my post would have been deleted or amended and 2 I would have probably lost my account.

Regards Timbo

[tradewiser]

Originally Posted by equity

I could see this coming. I paid for the video series several months ago and decided after seeing the videos being delayed for so long that I would request a refund. I have been waiting for several weeks now for my refund but still haven't received a dime. John said his paypal account got "hacked" so i had to request the refund from paypal as he couldn't refund it..

If what you are saying is correct then this doesn't bode well for me. I paid for the video project in February through PayPal and asked John for a refund 3 days ago. Still no response.

[Valerie V]

I'm guessing that "lifetime" membership would mean we have access
for the lifetime of the forum - however long that may be, not access to the forum for our lifetime, lol. Nothing lasts forever...

In any case, it really is too bad. I do feel that I got plenty of value out of all this though, mostly from the forum community - new tips and ideas, etc. and really did enjoy the pleasant atmosphere.

I like the idea of having access to the existing threads and info there, even if it's all locked down - and maybe even the PM system so those who established relationships could get in touch... maybe John will eventually set that up...?

I haven't requested a refund on the video series, but may do so. My only concern was reading that John would go ahead and "schedule" our refunds. What does that mean?
Has anyone requested and received a refund on the video series?

[Radix]

Originally Posted by mbmehmet

Radix

It seems you have an agenda. Please do not tell me what happened in that forum and what didn't. Being a moderator I was privy to what was happening inside and out, so please do not patronise me.

Unless you was there in the private section then please, please do not comment.

I don't know why I waste my time to be honest. Do what you will....I would have loved to pass my opinion on to members of that forum way before it was closed but i knew 2 things, 1 my post would have been deleted or amended and 2 I would have probably lost my account.

Regards Timbo

You were never a moderator there and I'm not patronizing you.

I'm calling you a liar plain and simple.

And you're not Timbo.

[Llola]

Originally Posted by Valerie V

I'm guessing that "lifetime" membership would mean we have access
for the lifetime of the forum - however long that may be, not access to the forum for our lifetime, lol. Nothing lasts forever...

LOL.

I would think "Lifetime" membership would mean I could stay with the forum until the forum died a slow natural death. If I had known the plug could and would be pulled at anytime by John I probably would not have joined or recommended the forum to others.

[mbmehmet]

Lol. Think what you will. I guess your on johns payroll then. :-)

[latinoman231982]

Originally Posted by mbmehmet

Lol. Think what you will. I guess your on johns payroll then. :-)

Mbmehmet

You clearly have some issues, perhaps a doctor is what you need. As for your claims to being a moderator, what a crock of S&*T, unless you are Timbo, which I somehow doubt.

I was one of the moderators for the forum, I am sure some forum member would vouch for that. I admit, it was unfortunate about how the forum closed and the endless delays to the updated ebook and video series, but hey life goes on.

Instead of wasting time tripping and starting a personal crusade maybe you should spend more time focusing on your business model.

[latinoman231982]

Hey radix

I have sent you an email ;-)

Bob