One page Vs off line SEO

Love_Money · 09-03-2010, 07:27 PM

Can the Expert Warriors help on this question?

Can a new website with well optimized on page SEO beat sites in SERP that are not optimized for on page SEO, but has hundreds of back links and have PR3 or PR4 rankings?

I have come across cases where the first two google pages are occupied by PR3 or PR4 websites that have poor on page SEO (Title, URL, Meta keyword etc), but have several back links. So the question is can my new website beat these oldies with just good On page SEO without lots of back links?

Thanks

John Williamson · 09-03-2010, 09:26 PM

If you mean on-page SEO, then yes it is very important to have the right tags (title, meta, keywords, h1, h2, etc.) but I would think you'd still need some backlinks to beat a PR3 or PR4 that already has backlinks, especially if they've been around a while.

Love_Money · 09-04-2010, 09:09 AM

I stand corrected. I meant on page SEO. Corrected above

FredJones · 09-04-2010, 09:24 AM

Do on-page SEO - a site with better on-page SEO, I believe, will beat one with lesser on-page SEO with a fewer number of backlinks of equivalent quality.

So getting on-page SEO right is important. You SEO effrts and time will stand a great chance to become reduced.

McBrett · 09-04-2010, 09:34 AM

@LoveMoney... Since your page is new, it could continue to slowly climb up a few more spots before it settles.

However, I would still point a few back links at your own page. Even if you just do some really simple link building like a couple directory links and an article that can help out considerably.

Also, is it the homepage of these PR3 and PR4 websites that are ranking higher than you or an internal page? If it's the homepage they'll probably be a bit more difficult to hurdle, although still very do-able since it sounds like your page is much more keyword focused than the competition.

Good luck on crushing the competition.

Love_Money · 09-04-2010, 10:46 AM

Thank you all. Currently my site is in the 10 the page

I do have four backlinks. So I need to wait and watch and build links in the meanwhile.

Thanks again; Without the help of warriors I could not have progressed

Tony Marriott · 09-04-2010, 12:11 PM

In theory you are right a new site with the right on page seo and few backlinks can beat pr3 and even pr4 sites for specific keywords.

I would only expect this to happen if your domain name was exactly the keyword and was a .org/net/com as this would be a powerfull boost when combined with keywords in title/ header/description.

Also new websites seem to get a bit of a boost by Google which can fade after a few weeks. I'm guessing a bit but this may be to give new sites a little extra exposure and enable them to start getting natural backlinks (else how would they ever get any if you follow google's guidlines exactly?)

Long term though you need to build backlinks

McBrett · 09-04-2010, 01:05 PM

Def Agree with @TonyMarriot... The question is not, Should I do on-page optimization OR link building for my website.

If you're serious and want results, you'll do both.

SubmitEdge Customer Care · 09-07-2010, 03:52 AM

We cannot generalize. The SERPs depends on the bigger picture, your keyword competition level, how fiercely the other competitors are marketing, etc. The best approach is to concentrate on both, first on your on-page SEO then with ongoing link building.

kevenlee · 09-07-2010, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Love_Money

Can the Expert Warriors help on this question?

Can a new website with well optimized on page SEO beat sites in SERP that are not optimized for on page SEO, but has hundreds of back links and have PR3 or PR4 rankings?

I have come across cases where the first two google pages are occupied by PR3 or PR4 websites that have poor on page SEO (Title, URL, Meta keyword etc), but have several back links. So the question is can my new website beat these oldies with just good On page SEO without lots of back links?

Thanks

This true that On page SEO is a very important factor for ranking in Google if you have good on page seo then you can come quickly on top in any search engine ranking. But back links are also important for SEO point of view if you have good on page SEO then you can you need less back links in compare to old website.

clickbumped · 09-07-2010, 10:54 AM

This can definitely help. On page SEO has brought me to the top of some competitive keywords without many backlinks. But still, it takes some time because the search engines look at backlinks as a trust factor. The more backlinks (good backlinks) you have the more likely you'll end up beating them out.

minternet · 09-07-2010, 07:44 PM

Yea, it's both. Onpage then offpage. Onpage is easy, offpage is the harder more long term part

findall · 09-07-2010, 07:52 PM

no back links are also very important to get good position in serp

yukon · 09-07-2010, 08:15 PM

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Can a new website with well optimized on page SEO beat sites in SERP that are not optimized for on page SEO, but has hundreds of back links and have PR3 or PR4 rankings?

Yes it can be done!

I have one of my blogs that started ranking #1 from the start (per blog post), & still most blog post hold the #1 position in all 3 G-search.

I never self promote that blog (backlinks, etc...).

The trick is that the on-page SEO needs to be setup for all G search products.

G text search
G video search
G image search

09-03-2010, 09:26 PM	#2
John Williamson The Mathematical Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 1,639 Thanks: 143 Thanked 283 Times in 185 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO If you mean *on-page* SEO, then yes it is very important to have the right tags (title, meta, keywords, h1, h2, etc.) but I would think you'd still need some backlinks to beat a PR3 or PR4 that already has backlinks, especially if they've been around a while.
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09-04-2010, 09:09 AM	#3
Love_Money Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 73 Thanks: 36 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO I stand corrected. I meant on page SEO. Corrected above

09-04-2010, 09:24 AM	#4
FredJones GegeTech Consultants War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,530 Thanks: 235 Thanked 500 Times in 258 Posts Contact Info	Re: One page Vs off line SEO Do on-page SEO - a site with better on-page SEO, I believe, will beat one with lesser on-page SEO with a fewer number of backlinks of equivalent quality. So getting on-page SEO right is important. You SEO effrts and time will stand a great chance to become reduced.
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09-04-2010, 09:34 AM	#5
McBrett HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 386 Thanks: 11 Thanked 56 Times in 38 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO @LoveMoney... Since your page is new, it could continue to slowly climb up a few more spots before it settles. However, I would still point a few back links at your own page. Even if you just do some really simple link building like a couple directory links and an article that can help out considerably. Also, is it the homepage of these PR3 and PR4 websites that are ranking higher than you or an internal page? If it's the homepage they'll probably be a bit more difficult to hurdle, although still very do-able since it sounds like your page is much more keyword focused than the competition. Good luck on crushing the competition.
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09-04-2010, 10:46 AM	#6
Love_Money Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 73 Thanks: 36 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO Thank you all. Currently my site is in the 10 the page I do have four backlinks. So I need to wait and watch and build links in the meanwhile. Thanks again; Without the help of warriors I could not have progressed

09-03-2010, 07:27 PM	#1
Love_Money Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 73 Thanks: 36 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	One page Vs off line SEO Can the Expert Warriors help on this question? Can a new website with well optimized on page SEO beat sites in SERP that are not optimized for on page SEO, but has hundreds of back links and have PR3 or PR4 rankings? I have come across cases where the first two google pages are occupied by PR3 or PR4 websites that have poor on page SEO (Title, URL, Meta keyword etc), but have several back links. So the question is can my new website beat these oldies with just good On page SEO without lots of back links? Thanks

09-04-2010, 12:11 PM	#7
Tony Marriott Tony Marriott War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Perea, Greece Posts: 899 Thanks: 127 Thanked 205 Times in 145 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO In theory you are right a new site with the right on page seo and few backlinks can beat pr3 and even pr4 sites for specific keywords. I would only expect this to happen if your domain name was exactly the keyword and was a .org/net/com as this would be a powerfull boost when combined with keywords in title/ header/description. Also new websites seem to get a bit of a boost by Google which can fade after a few weeks. I'm guessing a bit but this may be to give new sites a little extra exposure and enable them to start getting natural backlinks (else how would they ever get any if you follow google's guidlines exactly?) Long term though you need to build backlinks
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09-04-2010, 01:05 PM	#8
McBrett HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 386 Thanks: 11 Thanked 56 Times in 38 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO Def Agree with @TonyMarriot... The question is not, Should I do on-page optimization OR link building for my website. If you're serious and want results, you'll do both.
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09-07-2010, 03:52 AM	#9
SubmitEdge Customer Care Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO We cannot generalize. The SERPs depends on the bigger picture, your keyword competition level, how fiercely the other competitors are marketing, etc. The best approach is to concentrate on both, first on your on-page SEO then with ongoing link building.

09-07-2010, 10:54 AM	#11
clickbumped Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 120 Thanks: 4 Thanked 21 Times in 9 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO This can definitely help. On page SEO has brought me to the top of some competitive keywords without many backlinks. But still, it takes some time because the search engines look at backlinks as a trust factor. The more backlinks (good backlinks) you have the more likely you'll end up beating them out.
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09-07-2010, 07:44 PM	#12
minternet Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: One page Vs off line SEO Yea, it's both. Onpage then offpage. Onpage is easy, offpage is the harder more long term part

09-07-2010, 07:52 PM	#13
findall Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 24 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: One page Vs off line SEO no back links are also very important to get good position in serp