Google penalized Angela, Paul and Terry? Overdoing of profile links will result in this?

[Aryan]

I read this at some other forum. Made a quick search.. It looks nobody didn't started a thread about this..

For the Keyword "Backlinks" Angela, Paul and Terry were ranking at the first page of Google.

Before:

Angela - Backlinks: What they are and how to get them: GoArticles.com
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 4
PR - 5

Paul - Welcome to Pauls Quality Backlinks
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 7
PR - 5

Terry - Backlinks: The Awful Truth | Backlinks: The Backlinks Black Belt Report
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 9
PR - 5

Now:

Angela - Backlinks: What they are and how to get them: GoArticles.com
Google Position for "Backlinks" - Not in Top 100
PR - 3

Paul - Welcome to Pauls Quality Backlinks
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 56
PR - 3

Terry - Backlinks: The Awful Truth | Backlinks: The Backlinks Black Belt Report
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 14
PR - 3

Google started penalizing sites Profile Links as a major link building strategy?. I hope NO. It could be because of Overdoing Profile Links and the footprints. Angela and Paul use same usernames across all their profile links. Thats a clear footprint for Google.

Please shoot your comments on profile links..
(Though he may not like profile links, I'm expecting PhilipSEO's comments. I'm his great fan! )

[adamv]

When I do a "G" search for the term backlinks I'm seeing a goarticles article from Terry Kyle at #4 and his backlink forum right under that at #5. I don't know where Angela's goarticles article went but who knows, it may come back again. Terry's stuff is ranking so I'm pretty sure that type of linking is still working.

[Lighterbandit]

I was kinda curious as to when they would catch on. Like anything else you can only do it for some long until someone catches on. Im sure everything will be back to normal shortly!

[Aryan]

Originally Posted by adamv

When I do a "G" search for the term backlinks I'm seeing a goarticles article from Terry Kyle at #4 and his backlink forum right under that at #5. I don't know where Angela's goarticles article went but who knows, it may come back again. Terry's stuff is ranking so I'm pretty sure that type of linking is still working.

Myabe its because of Geo Locations. I checked using USA IP!

I never said Profile Links are not working. But I'm trying to say that most people miss Link Diversity and they leave lot of footprints with Profiles.

[adamv]

I just looked at my G search again and there is a squidoo lens ranking that I never noticed in the past. The lens is at position #3 and guess what kind of backlinks make up a good portion of the links they have??? You guessed it, forum profiles.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by Aryan

Myabe its because of Geo Locations. I checked using USA IP!

I never said Profile Links are not working. But I'm trying to say that most people miss Link Diversity and they leave lot of footprints with Profiles.

I agree that link diversity is very important. I was just hoping this wouldn't become another "fill in the blank" is dead post.

Forum profile linking is still very much alive but once again, I agree that diversity is a very good idea.

[Tom Goodwin]

A few random thoughts ;-)

(1) google doesn't "penalize" links. google could certain devalue incoming links, but using the use "penalize" is nonsense. That's the type of nonsense word that you would expect to hear over at DP, not on here.

(2) None of the sites in the first 2 pages rely on only one type of backlink, nor should they. If you actually look at Angela's backlinks, for instance, they come from a wide assortment of types of sites. In fact, one would be pretty short-sighted to use only one type of backlink. Diversify people. I'm pretty sure that Angela and Paul would concur with that (and I of course know Terry would).

(3) The competition is fierce and ongoing. Tons of people want the top listings, but obviously only a few can get them. Our forum, for instance, has taken up one of the spots on the first half of page 1. That is obviously one less spot for others to occupy. The competition also includes the Wikipedia backlink article (which is heavily backlinked to), backlinkwatch and an Exact Match Domain for the keyword "backlinks."

(4) The rankings for this particular keyword are highly volatile. It is not uncommon for one site to move from between say #4 and #12 hourly.

(5) Many of us have other things we are focusing on. Terry and I for instance are currently engaged in multiple JVs (and real JVs, not the "i'll spam my email list with your affiliate link" fake JVs) which take up 99% of our time at the moment. Currently, we are involved heavily in domain buying and that is eating up most of our time, as well as running the forum of course. At this point, it just really isn't worth my time to focus on getting the top ranking when there are so many easier keywords to go after, with higher traffic, and more $$$$$.

(6) It seems like Angela and Paul haven't done that much backlinking to their respective sites in quite awhile, and the massive decrease in link velocity unfortunately can sometimes (but certainly not always, or even a majority of the time) result in some movement backwards.

Tom

Originally Posted by Aryan

I read this at some other forum. Made a quick search.. It looks nobody didn't started a thread about this..

For the Keyword "Backlinks" Angela, Paul and Terry were ranking at the first page of Google.

Before:

Angela - Backlinks: What they are and how to get them: GoArticles.com
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 4
PR - 5

Paul - Welcome to Pauls Quality Backlinks
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 7
PR - 5

Terry - Backlinks: The Awful Truth | Backlinks: The Backlinks Black Belt Report
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 9
PR - 5

Now:

Angela - Backlinks: What they are and how to get them: GoArticles.com
Google Position for "Backlinks" - Not in Top 100
PR - 3

Paul - Welcome to Pauls Quality Backlinks
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 56
PR - 3

Terry - Backlinks: The Awful Truth | Backlinks: The Backlinks Black Belt Report
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 14
PR - 3

Google started penalizing Profile Links?. I hope NO. It could be because of Overdoing Profile Links and the footprints. Angela and Paul use same usernames across all their profile links. Thats a clear footprint for Google.

Please shoot your comments on profile links..
(Though he may not like profile links, I'm expecting PhilipSEO's comments. I'm his great fan! )

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by adamv

I just looked at my G search again and there is a squidoo lens ranking that I never noticed in the past. The lens is at position #3 and guess what kind of backlinks make up a good portion of the links they have??? You guessed it, forum profiles.

The squidoo article was languishing away on page 2 for awhile, but they have been doing so backlinking on a massive scale over the past few weeks.

Time to crash. College football starts tomorrow (yea yea, it mini-started on Thursday), and it is going to kick some major arse. The best time of the year.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Lighterbandit

I was kinda curious as to when they would catch on. Like anything else you can only do it for some long until someone catches on. Im sure everything will be back to normal shortly!

yea, like blog comment spam that has been around since the very first blog and still works

Tom

[Aryan]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

A few random thoughts ;-)

(1) google doesn't "penalize" links. google could certain devalue incoming links, but using the use "penalize" is nonsense. That's the type of nonsense word that you would expect to hear over at DP, not on here.

I never said Google penalized the links. Read my post again. Don't say Google don't penalize Sites. They do penalize sites for link manipulation (The great make money online example of John Chow). Whats there for DP to do here?

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

(2) None of the sites in the first 2 pages rely on only one type of backlink, nor should they. If you actually look at Angela's backlinks, for instance, they come from a wide assortment of types of sites. In fact, one would be pretty short-sighted to use only one type of backlink. Diversify people. I'm pretty sure that Angela and Paul would concur with that (and I of course know Terry would).

If you check Angela and Paul's links most of the Links are from Profile pages. They do have other diversified links too but the majority comes from profiles and that too have footprints which makes Big G think they are manipulated.

[QUOTE=Tom Goodwin;2556259]
(4) The rankings for this particular keyword are highly volatile. It is not uncommon for one site to move from between say #4 and #12 hourly.
[QUOTE]

Dropping from 5th position to 100+ positions doesn't seem VOLATILE to me!

Tom, I never accused these people (Angela, Paul and Terry) for creating a system called Profile Links (though its obviously spamming) and selling it to tons of people. I know profile links are working. My objective is to get different ideas on how to do profile links in a right way. Please don't make this counter productive!

[himanuzo]

I think that "backlinks" keyword has high competition, so there is hard to keep the top ranking at Google for long time because folks want the keyword for the making money online.

[Rock Solid]

I think the overall weight of profile backlinks has just been diminished, same as forum signature links and social media backlinks. I don't think Google was specifically targeting these 3...

[seoforu]

No I do not think Google penalized Angela and Paul because of Profile links..there must be some other reason.

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by Aryan

I never said Google penalized the links. Read my post again. Don't say Google don't penalize Sites. They do penalize sites for link manipulation (The great make money online example of John Chow). Whats there for DP to do here?

This is what I call the STFU or "Fight Club" penalty.

[joshgreen]

lol,Profile links are powerful!They do work and there is no penalty

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Aryan

Google started penalizing Profile Links?.

Originally Posted by Aryan

I never said Google penalized the links.

[Aryan]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

oh.. you found that mistake.. Its supposed to be Sites using Profile Links... Sorry for that! I edited that!

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Aryan

If you check Angela and Paul's links most of the Links are from Profile pages. They do have other diversified links too but the majority comes from profiles and that too have footprints which makes Big G think they are manipulated.

Certainly using the same username across all of the profiles is probably not a good idea. But, Google wouldn't penalize them for the incoming links as it would be too easy for competitors to manipulate Google by simply spamming their competition into oblivion.

Now, i'm not quite sure how you know Angela uses a majority of profile links to her GoArticle as it has >2000 links in Yahoo Site Explorer, and Yahoo will only return 1000 results per page. You also can't do a full SEO Spyglass analysis since it is to an interior page of GoArticles.

Originally Posted by Aryan

Dropping from 5th position to 100+ positions doesn't seem VOLATILE to me!

Actually, i've seen sites jump between between 500+ positions overnight, continually for months. **** happens. One of my friends has a page that continually goes from page 1 to something like 700, and back again, constantly.

I do note that Angela's other site, the one on a page she actually owns, is still at #1 for "Angela."

Originally Posted by Aryan

Tom, I never accused these people (Angela, Paul and Terry) for creating a system called Profile Links (though its obviously spamming) and selling it to tons of people. I know profile links are working. My objective is to get different ideas on how to do profile links in a right way. Please don't make this counter productive!

LOL, I'm not being counterproductive at all

For backlinks, it's not really that complicated.

Use a variety of types of backlinks. For profile links, mixup your usenames, mixup the links you use (i.e., spin them so you don't always have backlinks to X, Y and Z in your profiles), do a double pass if you can, etc.

The only wasted backlink is a backlink not built

Tom

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Ugh. Penalize?

Penalize?

Ugh.

[illank86]

are the big G care about the link we get...???? i dont think so, coz i have no problem using angela trick till now.... but sometimes it problem, i said sometimes...

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Aryan

oh.. you found that mistake.. Its supposed to be Sites using Profile Links... Sorry for that! I edited that!

My conclusion doesn't change though. Google wouldn't penalize the sites for the links. De-value them perhaps, penalize no.

[Richard Chapman]

OK, after reading all the comments above, is it still worthwhile continuing to use Angela's backlinks ?

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Richard Chapman

OK, after reading all the comments above, is it still worthwhile continuing to use Angela's backlinks ?

No, don't use profile links. I prefer my competition to be easy.

Also note that this thread is discussing profile links, not "Angela's links."

[jazbo]

"If you check Angela and Paul's links most of the Links are from Profile pages. They do have other diversified links too but the majority comes from profiles and that too have footprints which makes Big G think they are manipulated."

Nonsense, just utter nonsense.

[Aryan]

Originally Posted by jazbo

"If you check Angela and Paul's links most of the Links are from Profile pages. They do have other diversified links too but the majority comes from profiles and that too have footprints which makes Big G think they are manipulated."

Nonsense, just utter nonsense.

"AngelaE8654" - Google Search

"pj413" - Google Search


Angela V Edwards own words: (check her package PDFs)
"just do a search in Google for the word BACKLINKS without quotes. You will see an article written by me, Angela V.Edwards, on the GoArticles article directory. I have only used backlinks on inner pages of high Page Rank authority sites for this article."

[shaktimaan]

Originally Posted by Aryan

"AngelaE8654" - Google Search

"pj413" - Google Search


Angela V Edwards own words: (check her package PDFs)
"just do a search in Google for the word BACKLINKS without quotes. You will see an article written by me, Angela V.Edwards, on the GoArticles article directory. I have only used backlinks on inner pages of high Page Rank authority sites for this article."

At start she was using mostly blog comments to rank her article high. Those days she used to sell packets of high pagerank blogs not profile sites. I remember she had a wso at warriorforum.

She started using profile links later. Correct me if i am wrong.

Yes, from very beginning paul is using mostly profile links.

Originally Posted by Aryan

Paul - Welcome to Pauls Quality Backlinks
Google Position for "Backlinks" - 56

Paul is optimizing quality backlinks not backlinks

[Aryan]

Originally Posted by shaktimaan

At start she was using mostly blog comments to rank her article high. Those days she used to sell packets of high pagerank blogs not profile sites. I remember she has a wso at warriorforum.

She started using profile links later. Correct me if i am wrong.

Not sure whether she used blog comments or not.. but I took this from one of her Link packet..

"just do a search in Google for the word BACKLINKS without quotes. You will see an article written by me, Angela V.Edwards, on the GoArticles article directory. I have only used backlinks on inner pages of high Page Rank authority sites for this article."

[adam westrop]

You are isolating the effectiveness of this technique.

Instead why dont you do a poll and ask for people who have used profile links to say whether they are effective for rankings or not.... Chances are 90-95% would say yes (including me).

[paulgl]

Profiles links will in time, fade away.

Google has got to consider how to value incoming links.

IMHO, forum profile linking, just for links, is a waste of time.

It's not how to use forums. The truth is, join DP, WF, NMF,
and a handful (yes, handful) and BE ACTIVE! The link juice is
so much more powerful. It builds trust, authority, relationships,
that lead to the very way that google says to get a site
going.

Not helping has always been looked upon as a penalty. It's not.

You never really know how a site is #1. Too many people are quick to
jump on the good 'ol backlink bandwagon. A lot of us chuckle, because
we get to #1 with the right backlinks. And don't waste time getting them.
Getting to the top is a whole lot more intricate than backlinks. If it were
only that easy.

Bgmacaw is priceless. Some here do indeed STFU about how we push a site
over the finish line.

It stands to reason that since nofollow has not worked for google to eliminate
spam, the man behind the curtain would pull a different lever. Some of you
do Wizard of Oz SEO and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Paul

[socialbookmark]

I don't think Google or any other search engine penalize these backlinks. Because Angela, Paul and Terry only introduce other websites and if Google wants to penalize Angela, Paul and Terry backlinks, it should penalize all of those websites that they introduced too and its not possible. But maybe the value of profile backlinks is reduced in Google ranking algorithm.

[Aryan]

You never really know how a site is #1. Too many people are quick to
jump on the good 'ol backlink bandwagon. A lot of us chuckle, because
we get to #1 with the right backlinks. And don't waste time getting them.
Getting to the top is a whole lot more intricate than backlinks. If it were
only that easy.

But in most small niches number of backlinks play a major role! Revenue is also there in such niches.

[markfb]

Perhaps a more experienced link builder can answer this question for me?
Over the last 12 monthe I have been using these "profile links" as part of my link building strategy which also includes all the usual methods such as submitting articles, blog commenting, directory submission, web2.0 linkwheels etc. etc.

BUT... I have noticed over the last 2 months the "profile links" have disappeared when I check them with several different tools. All the other types of back links are still there.

Last month I outsourced to 3 different linkbuilders 5 packages of "profile links" each (total 15 packages).I then followed my usual methods of getting my backlinks indexed (which has worked for the last 12 months) and only 1 profile has been indexed todate.

I know that these profiles and links were created correctly as I have checked all of them manually.

All the other links which were built in the same time span using different methods have been indexed and seem to be sticking.

So why is it that only "profile links" are disappearing even though the profiles are still there and why are the new profiles not being indexed?

Mark

[younganddirty]

I think google is trying to make an example out of somebody. I think they just manually went in and said hey lets scare the profile link builders, what is the best way to do that? so they knock angela and everybody else down that google thinks has an influence.

[younganddirty]

Originally Posted by paulgl

It's not how to use forums. The truth is, join DP, WF, NMF,
and a handful (yes, handful) and BE ACTIVE! The link juice is
so much more powerful. It builds trust, authority, relationships,
that lead to the very way that google says to get a site
going.Paul

But you also need variety.

You can only submit your site to eza, goarticles and the majors one so many times, before you will see no return on time for it.
I mean lets face it, there are so many article directories that are worth something. I bought a program the other day, it goes off the articledashboard and few other platforms. Most of them are hacked, abandon, etc.

Blog comment, still effective method. The problem, sometimes hard to put your keyword there, you have leave a great comment, sometimes the owner if you are competitor will not approve your comment.

Forums: This is really great method, I like. But like with goarticles and eza you see no point, you do your 10 move on, blah blah. Also some forums do not want a weight loss product in say a computer forum.

Dont get me wrong, a good thing about the major forums, is that you can network, etc. Become the expert in niche at that forum. Etc. But as far 1000000 post, it really has very little seo effect. I say the most you get about 1-3 maybe little higher from it.

[Black Hat Cat]

She's number one for Angela.

angela - Google Search

Does that mean profile links are now good again?

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by paulgl

You never really know how a site is #1. Too many people are quick to
jump on the good 'ol backlink bandwagon. A lot of us chuckle, because
we get to #1 with the right backlinks.

So then, you actually agree with the folks you're chuckling at...it is about backlinks.

And don't waste time getting them.

Paul

No, of course not...your keyword-stuffed sig just magically appeared all by itself.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

At this point, it just really isn't worth my time to focus on getting the top ranking when there are so many easier keywords to go after, with higher traffic, and more $$$$$.

Bingo. thats why I would never even bother going after that spot at all. By the very nature of it (backlinkers auto spamming to rank for the term backlinks) it will continue to be an arms race. As for google you could look at it two ways. You can think they will one day slap the sites (discount all the links) or you can look at porn, gambling sites etc where they consider the niche so depraved they can't even bother monitoring its results.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

She's number one for Angela.

angela - Google Search

Does that mean profile links are now good again?

For a money term? nope it wouldn't be good evidence. The world is not lining up to rank number one for the word "angela".

[Ketou]

I don't know why people say google does not penalize sites for spam links but it does.

That's interesting!

[semeasy]

Follow Tom Goodwin 's advice. He seems to be as knowledgeable as it gets.

Thanks for the knowledge that you share all over this forum.

[calhounevans]

Do not upgrade, then change there to be punished. You should follow the standard rules, while optimizing the site.

[Aryan]

Originally Posted by calhounevans

Do not upgrade, then change there to be punished. You should follow the standard rules, while optimizing the site.

Are you a spam bot?

[lroufs]

I would also like to hear something from Angela. Because I still buy her profilesites every month....

[madison_avenue]

Link quality trumps link quantity; concentrate on getting fewer but higher quality links. I would not discount Nofollow links totally either, do still have value.

[thebarksmeow]

Originally Posted by lroufs

I would also like to hear something from Angela. Because I still buy her profilesites every month....

I just can't believe people are still buying those. I don't know why people wouldn't want to find their own sites.

Her brand power is amazing. Just like people lining up to get the iphone 4 even though they knew it had issues.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by paulgl

It's not how to use forums. The truth is, join DP, WF, NMF,
and a handful (yes, handful) and BE ACTIVE! The link juice is
so much more powerful.

You just said a very very very bad word.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

I just can't believe people are still buying those. I don't know why people wouldn't want to find their own sites.

Her brand power is amazing. Just like people lining up to get the iphone 4 even though they knew it had issues.

Priced at $5/month, how many subscribers still subscribe and likely don't even think they are still subscribing? hundreds and hundreds I would bet. Great continuity pricing.

[theseoguys]

And hopefully the overzealous security measures put in place earlier this year, keep this service going...for her sake Just a side note, although the packets say they work on 1 computer, that is not entirely true. They also only work on 1 ip address. If I open on my laptop at one place, go out for wifi coffee, try and open it there...lockdown.

[disolmodo78]

It is beneficial to stick to the standard rules while optimizing your website. If you concentrate on lots of updates, changes will get penalized.

[marksmandweller]

It is useful to follow the standard rules and optimize your website. If you focus on a lot of updates, changes may be penalized.