Hosting and domains. need to clarify things

David Bleidt · 09-23-2010, 08:55 AM

Hey there,

I was about to build my next website but some things came to my mind while doing it.

the first thing is about my host. I found a free host, that is quite good (you know I only have a few bucks to spend right now). The problem is, he changes my inner links from http://www(.)domain(.)com/something to http://domain(.)com/something. So he removes the "www" infront of the links. Is there any effect on SEO with this? I wasn't sure so, before building up more content I just wanted to ask

My second question is about domains. Is there really a difference when I use hyphens?
and what about the best way to get my subpages ranked. Which domain would rank better:
redcolour.com/bluecolour
redcolour.com/blue
In this case I would like to rank my page for "bluecolour" (thats just an example ^^)

and last but not least how about the "/". I heard of that there is a difference for backlinks when I use
redcolour.com/something/ or
redcolour.com/something

Well I hope you can clarify the things for me

Looking forward to your answers.

David

InitialEffort · 09-23-2010, 09:23 AM

I hope this article helps you.

And here is Google's explanation of the difference between http:// and http://www.

Here is the Q&A from Matt Cutts:

Q: What is a canonical url? Do you have to use such a weird word, anyway?

A: Sorry that it’s a strange word; that’s what we call it around Google. Canonicalization is the process of picking the best url when there are several choices, and it usually refers to home pages. For example, most people would consider these the same urls:
Example Web Page
example.com/
Example Web Page
example.com/home.asp
But technically all of these urls are different. A web server could return completely different content for all the urls above. When Google “canonicalizes” a url, we try to pick the url that seems like the best representative from that set.

Q: So how do I make sure that Google picks the url that I want?
A: One thing that helps is to pick the url that you want and use that url consistently across your entire site. For example, don’t make half of your links go to Example Web Page and the other half go to Example Web Page . Instead, pick the url you prefer and always use that format for your internal links.

Q: Is there anything else I can do?
A: Yes. Suppose you want your default url to be Example Web Page . You can make your webserver so that if someone requests Example Web Page, it does a 301 (permanent) redirect to Example Web Page . That helps Google know which url you prefer to be canonical. Adding a 301 redirect can be an especially good idea if your site changes often (e.g. dynamic content, a blog, etc.).

Q: If I want to get rid of domain.com but keep www.domain.com, should I use the url removal tool to remove domain.com?
A: No, definitely don’t do this. If you remove one of the www vs. non-www hostnames, it can end up removing your whole domain for six months. Definitely don’t do this. If you did use the url removal tool to remove your entire domain when you actually only wanted to remove the www or non-www version of your domain, do a reinclusion request and mention that you removed your entire domain by accident using the url removal tool and that you’d like it reincluded.

David Bleidt · 09-23-2010, 10:07 AM

thank you.

So am I right, that there is no difference between the www and non-www domains?! and also the same with the com/something/ and com/something ?!

so any other thoughts?

David

Geoff101 · 09-23-2010, 10:22 AM

www does not make a difference as far as I know.

redcolour.com/bluecolour will rank better for blue color. Keyword should be in the url.

Richard Tunnah · 09-23-2010, 10:39 AM

David,
Here's a tip - do NOT use a free host. The minute you get any traffic your site could be pulled. They may also stick ads all over your site.
I understand you are counting the pennies but hosting is a must I'm afraid otherwise all your hard work could be lost before you make any money. I'd suggest you look at hosts like hostgator.com that offer you a months hosting for free and then it's like $5 on their basic package.
Just my 2 cents.

Rich

David Bleidt · 09-23-2010, 10:47 AM

yea I know that hosting is really important

BUT I bought a webhost for my first website (I picked a bad keyword so I get 1$ per month ... LOL) and I payed around 90$ for 1 year. It looked great, everything you need expect the fact it can only be used with ONE domain ... I didn't know that as I bought it because i was a newbie ... and now I can't pay a new host for a year once. I was looking for a monthly payment but haven't discovered a webhost so far ... if you have any suggestions I would be happy to know it.

David

Michael Oksa · 09-23-2010, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Bleidt

yea I know that hosting is really important

BUT I bought a webhost for my first website (I picked a bad keyword so I get 1$ per month ... LOL) and I payed around 90$ for 1 year. It looked great, everything you need expect the fact it can only be used with ONE domain ... I didn't know that as I bought it because i was a newbie ... and now I can't pay a new host for a year once. I was looking for a monthly payment but haven't discovered a webhost so far ... if you have any suggestions I would be happy to know it.

David

Hostgator should do the trick.

~Michael

David Bleidt · 09-23-2010, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hostgator should do the trick.

~Michael

Well I thought the same but hostgator is a one time payment. So I have to pay them now the whole amount for 1 year.

David

Richard Tunnah · 09-23-2010, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Bleidt

Well I thought the same but hostgator is a one time payment. So I have to pay them now the whole amount for 1 year.

David

David..that's not the case. Of course like most things if you pay for a full year upfront you get a better deal but hostgator can bill you monthly. I know as I have some of my sites with hostagator (and have done for years)that are paid via a monthly sub.

Rich

Michael Oksa · 09-23-2010, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Bleidt

Well I thought the same but hostgator is a one time payment. So I have to pay them now the whole amount for 1 year.

David

I'm with Richard on this.

I have a monthly subscription to Hostgator, and they take money out each month.

If you can't seem to find the monthly option, perhaps you could call customer service. For that matter, why not contact customer service at any hosting company you're interested in?

They may or may not have a monthly option, but you will get an idea of how they handle their customer service should you become a customer.

All the best,
Michael

David Bleidt · 09-23-2010, 11:46 AM

hmm ... I already was in a chat with one of the hostgator guys and he said to me that there isn't a monthly option ... I am from Europe, so calling there will cost me more than the webspace

I will look if I can find something on their page ... we'll see ...

Thanks for the tips. This could help me a lot

David

David Bleidt · 09-23-2010, 01:33 PM

Ok I chatted with another hostgator staff member and he confirmed what you say. there is the month-to-month possibility

Thanks a lot that you have opened my eyes

David

evanlambda · 09-23-2010, 02:29 PM

Removing the www by itself doesn't make any difference, since its just a subdomain. If you have www(.)domain.com and domain.com both pointing to the same site tho, Google will rank it as two different sites for SEO purposes.

David Bleidt · 09-23-2010, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evanlambda

Removing the www by itself doesn't make any difference, since its just a subdomain. If you have www(.)domain.com and domain.com both pointing to the same site tho, Google will rank it as two different sites for SEO purposes.

are you sure? that would be bad ...

David

David Bleidt · 09-26-2010, 04:03 AM

Well ... What is actually the difference between hostgator and hostmonster? I can't see any differences between the babyplan of hostgator and the hostmonster plan except the price.
babyplan: 7,95-9,95$
hostmonster: 3,95$
The only difference that I can see is the Google Adwords credits.
babyplan: 100$
hostmonster: 50$

Did I miss something?

David

09-23-2010, 08:55 AM	#1
David Bleidt Rising Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Contact Info	Hosting and domains. need to clarify things Hey there, I was about to build my next website but some things came to my mind while doing it. the first thing is about my host. I found a free host, that is quite good (you know I only have a few bucks to spend right now). The problem is, he changes my inner links from http://www(.)domain(.)com/something to http://domain(.)com/something. So he removes the "www" infront of the links. Is there any effect on SEO with this? I wasn't sure so, before building up more content I just wanted to ask My second question is about domains. Is there really a difference when I use hyphens? and what about the best way to get my subpages ranked. Which domain would rank better: redcolour.com/bluecolour redcolour.com/blue In this case I would like to rank my page for "bluecolour" (thats just an example ^^) and last but not least how about the "/". I heard of that there is a difference for backlinks when I use redcolour.com/something/ or redcolour.com/something Well I hope you can clarify the things for me Looking forward to your answers. David

09-23-2010, 09:23 AM	#2
InitialEffort Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,104 Thanks: 16 Thanked 117 Times in 87 Posts	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things I hope this article helps you. And here is Google's explanation of the difference between http:// and http://www. Here is the Q&A from Matt Cutts: Q: What is a canonical url? Do you have to use such a weird word, anyway? A: Sorry that it’s a strange word; that’s what we call it around Google. Canonicalization is the process of picking the best url when there are several choices, and it usually refers to home pages. For example, most people would consider these the same urls: Example Web Page example.com/ Example Web Page example.com/home.asp But technically all of these urls are different. A web server could return completely different content for all the urls above. When Google “canonicalizes” a url, we try to pick the url that seems like the best representative from that set. Q: So how do I make sure that Google picks the url that I want? A: One thing that helps is to pick the url that you want and use that url consistently across your entire site. For example, don’t make half of your links go to Example Web Page and the other half go to Example Web Page . Instead, pick the url you prefer and always use that format for your internal links. Q: Is there anything else I can do? A: Yes. Suppose you want your default url to be Example Web Page . You can make your webserver so that if someone requests Example Web Page, it does a 301 (permanent) redirect to Example Web Page . That helps Google know which url you prefer to be canonical. Adding a 301 redirect can be an especially good idea if your site changes often (e.g. dynamic content, a blog, etc.). Q: If I want to get rid of domain.com but keep www.domain.com, should I use the url removal tool to remove domain.com? A: No, definitely don’t do this. If you remove one of the www vs. non-www hostnames, it can end up removing your whole domain for six months. Definitely don’t do this. If you did use the url removal tool to remove your entire domain when you actually only wanted to remove the www or non-www version of your domain, do a reinclusion request and mention that you removed your entire domain by accident using the url removal tool and that you’d like it reincluded.
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09-23-2010, 10:07 AM	#3
David Bleidt Rising Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Contact Info	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things thank you. So am I right, that there is no difference between the www and non-www domains?! and also the same with the com/something/ and com/something ?! so any other thoughts? David

09-23-2010, 10:22 AM	#4
Geoff101 Muhammad Umair War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 177 Thanks: 28 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things www does not make a difference as far as I know. redcolour.com/bluecolour will rank better for blue color. Keyword should be in the url.
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09-23-2010, 10:39 AM	#5
Richard Tunnah Just hitting the mouse! War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Puerto Calero, Lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 1,982 Thanks: 407 Thanked 226 Times in 179 Posts Social Networking	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things David, Here's a tip - do NOT use a free host. The minute you get any traffic your site could be pulled. They may also stick ads all over your site. I understand you are counting the pennies but hosting is a must I'm afraid otherwise all your hard work could be lost before you make any money. I'd suggest you look at hosts like hostgator.com that offer you a months hosting for free and then it's like $5 on their basic package. Just my 2 cents. Rich

09-23-2010, 10:47 AM	#6
David Bleidt Rising Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Contact Info	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things yea I know that hosting is really important BUT I bought a webhost for my first website (I picked a bad keyword so I get 1$ per month ... LOL) and I payed around 90$ for 1 year. It looked great, everything you need expect the fact it can only be used with ONE domain ... I didn't know that as I bought it because i was a newbie ... and now I can't pay a new host for a year once. I was looking for a monthly payment but haven't discovered a webhost so far ... if you have any suggestions I would be happy to know it. David

09-23-2010, 11:46 AM	#11
David Bleidt Rising Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Contact Info	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things hmm ... I already was in a chat with one of the hostgator guys and he said to me that there isn't a monthly option ... I am from Europe, so calling there will cost me more than the webspace I will look if I can find something on their page ... we'll see ... Thanks for the tips. This could help me a lot David

09-23-2010, 01:33 PM	#12
David Bleidt Rising Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Contact Info	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things Ok I chatted with another hostgator staff member and he confirmed what you say. there is the month-to-month possibility Thanks a lot that you have opened my eyes David

09-23-2010, 02:29 PM	#13
evanlambda HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 116 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things Removing the www by itself doesn't make any difference, since its just a subdomain. If you have www(.)domain.com and domain.com both pointing to the same site tho, Google will rank it as two different sites for SEO purposes.

09-26-2010, 04:03 AM	#15
David Bleidt Rising Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 165 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Contact Info	Re: Hosting and domains. need to clarify things Well ... What is actually the difference between hostgator and hostmonster? I can't see any differences between the babyplan of hostgator and the hostmonster plan except the price. babyplan: 7,95-9,95$ hostmonster: 3,95$ The only difference that I can see is the Google Adwords credits. babyplan: 100$ hostmonster: 50$ Did I miss something? David