#5 for Teeth Whitening on Google - Profitable?

[The Oilman]

Teeth Whitening on Google gets, according to Market Samurai, about 60,000 visit a day (for the top term).

Would a tooth whitening offer (CPA) as ranking #5 make a ton of money?

Sounds like a dumb question.

Of course it would.

But can someone help me guess on how much it would make?

I am sure it depends on the offer, but... what are your thoughts?

Sometimes I've found that ranking for terms isn't as great as it seems to be.

Sorry for this dumb question -- just want your feedback because I might have the opportunity to grab that spot.

[Doug Olson]

Only one way to find out. [COLOR="Black"]Get to it[/COLOR] Let us know what happens.

[Bill Farnham]

Originally Posted by The Oilman

Sorry for this dumb question -- just want your feedback because I might have the opportunity to grab that spot.

I think you're drinking too many milkshakes...

Just out of curiousity, what makes you think you can grab the #5 spot?

That's an interesting perspective. Inquiring minds want to know....

~Bill

[tpw]

30% of people only look at the first three results on page one of the search results... That leaves 70% who will see a #5 listing...

70% of 60,000 visits is 42,000 sets of eyeballs on your link...

If you could swing 10% of the clicks, then we would be looking at 4,200 clicks, but that is very optimistic...

Regardless of where you are seen in the search results, your Page Title and Description will determine how many of the clicks you are able to draw, be it 42 or 42,000...

If your Page Title and Description copywriting is the best on the page, you could expect to do well...

But once someone has clicked your link and hit your page, how well will your page convert?

While it is never fair to assume a conversion rate untested, let's just suppose you get 1% conversion...

On 42 clicks a month, you will get less than one sale a month... On 4,200 clicks, you will get 42 conversions a month...

Anything less than personal experience is always, at best, only a guess...

[Kamran]

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

I think you're drinking too many milkshakes...

Just out of curiousity, what makes you think you can grab the #5 spot?

That's an interesting perspective. Inquiring minds want to know....

~Bill

Probably wants to buy a website that is already at #5 spot

[The Oilman]

TPW -- According to Market Sam the #1 spot get 60k searches a DAY, not month.

Thanks for everyones input.

[JayVance]

Just looking at some of the sites you would have to compete against I'd say you have your work cut out for you. Good luck, hope you can pull it off.

[JackBenson]

keyword tool says 60k global 22k local per month exact match

[Tymarkinc]

Originally Posted by tpw

30% of people only look at the first three results on page one of the search results... That leaves 70% who will see a #5 listing...

70% of 60,000 visits is 42,000 sets of eyeballs on your link...

My experience has been the other way around. Sites that I ranked number 1 got about 40% to 50% of the traffic suggested by Google Exact match and then #2 and #3 were huge drop offs in traffic,made up about 20 to 25%. I have tested in many markets, but obviously not every market.

It seems like the first page isn't the holy grail anymore. You have to be in the top 3 (preferably...All 3)

[tpw]

Originally Posted by Tymarkinc

It seems like the first page isn't the holy grail anymore. You have to be in the top 3 (preferably...All 3)

I like the way you think... Preferably all 3...

[paulie888]

Originally Posted by tpw

30% of people only look at the first three results on page one of the search results... That leaves 70% who will see a #5 listing...

70% of 60,000 visits is 42,000 sets of eyeballs on your link...

Bill, you're absolutely right about the percentage of views the top three gets, and only 70% (or even less) see the other listings. Taking into account that the top 3 listings get the majority of attention of the visitors, I also agree with you that it is highly unlikely that the no. 5 spot will get anywhere near 10% of the overall clicks. It's anyone's guess how many eyeballs the number 5 listing will get, and as you've correctly mentioned conversions are going to depend heavily on the title and description contained within that listing, as well as the landing page that the visitor goes to. Because of the many variables involved, it'd be hard to really give a concrete number in terms of the actual conversions (in this case trial offer leads) generated, and the only way to know for sure is to test.

This is the reality of CPA (lots of testing and tracking needed to find profitable campaigns), and probably the main reason why it's so hard for many to really make consistent income with it.

[SanJoseTruckRepair]

Originally Posted by paulie888

Bill, you're absolutely right about the percentage of views the top three gets, and only 70% (or even less) see the other listings. Taking into account that the top 3 listings get the majority of attention of the visitors, I also agree with you that it is highly unlikely that the no. 5 spot will get anywhere near 10% of the overall clicks. It's anyone's guess how many eyeballs the number 5 listing will get, and as you've correctly mentioned conversions are going to depend heavily on the title and description contained within that listing, as well as the landing page that the visitor goes to. Because of the many variables involved, it'd be hard to really give a concrete number in terms of the actual conversions (in this case trial offer leads) generated, and the only way to know for sure is to test.

This is the reality of CPA (lots of testing and tracking needed to find profitable campaigns), and probably the main reason why it's so hard for many to really make consistent income with it.

I've also read just a few days ago that recent heat map studies ( by IBP I think) show that over the past few years people switched from looking through the entire page, to blindly trusting google to give them what they are looking for and sticking to first 3 results.

I personally look through the first few pages, because sometimes really good info gets lost, because it is a few backlinks short (like my site

[paulie888]

Originally Posted by SanJoseTruckRepair

I've also read just a few days ago that recent heat map studies ( by IBP I think) show that over the past few years people switched from looking through the entire page, to blindly trusting google to give them what they are looking for and sticking to first 3 results.

I personally look through the first few pages, because sometimes really good info gets lost, because it is a few backlinks short (like my site

I know exactly what you mean, being on the first page of Google doesn't quite cut it anymore, you have to be in the top 3 now. We think differently since we're internet marketers, but unfortunately the general population out there is too lazy, impatient and spoiled to bother with clicking onto the second or third page of the search results!

[discrat]

Originally Posted by JackBenson

keyword tool says 60k global 22k local per month exact match

Did anyone else notice this. Kind of makes the OP whole argument moot in a way.

[AdamWB]

If only Google gave us accurate search volume estimates. Stick that sucker into an adwords campaign and see how many impressions you get - I think you'd be surprised =)

[OrganicSeoGuru]

If you can get an organic ranking in Google.com across multiple data centers and have the CTR to prove serious traffic you can negotiate with any CPA network you want for a better cut of the action or sell the site off directly to an actual company that sells the retard ready product, that is if you don't create your own product, which only costs about 80 cents us per package...

[L41db4ck]

Originally Posted by discrat

Did anyone else notice this. Kind of makes the OP whole argument moot in a way.

I did.....That's a huge difference Of course we don't know how exact either number is but I'll bet it's nearer the lower one.

[IBRevolution]

Don't forget to optimize your on-page content to increase conversions.
If you don't get clicks on your affiliate link a #5 spot will be worthless.

[outwest]

TEETH WHITENING..............in google adwords tool
gets 33,000 searches PER MONTH...........the highest searched term for TEETH, only gets 50k searches PER MONTH

where are you getting 60,000/day?

[outwest]

33,000 PER month does not equal 60,000 PER DAY
go to Google kw tool and check TEETH WHITENING yourself

fuzzy math, somewhere, or the Op needs new glasses

[perfectlovehere]

Well assuming it converts at a low rate of 0.5% and it gets 1/10th of the 60k hits. Do the math!

[strategic seo services]

It would defnitely make money, but how much sepends on the landing page too, not just its position in the SERPs. If it is well written & persuasive, then there is a ton of money to be made.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by perfectlovehere

Well assuming it converts at a low rate of 0.5% and it gets 1/10th of the 60k hits. Do the math!

IF...........IF it was 60k searches a month (its not, its 33k)
the first site on google gets 60% of that, the #5 site would be lucky to get 7%
so 7% x 33k is 2100/month

[maxrezn]

Spot #2 gets 1/4 the views of #1...and it dwindles from there. Honestly #5 is a tough one to get hits on. If you make your description caps lock that might help.

[packerfan]

If you can't answer that question for yourself, then you stand zero chance of ranking for a keyword like that. Why not just go after car insurance quotes or web hosting....

[outwest]

I have found kws with 100k monthly local that I feel i can rank #1 within a year.
If I do. ............lottery calling, you won sir

[packerfan]

Originally Posted by outwest

I have found kws with 100k monthly local that I feel i can rank #1 within a year.
If I do. ............lottery calling, you won sir

You're not asking if those will be profitable though...

[outwest]

Originally Posted by packerfan

You're not asking if those will be profitable though...

Its in a niche that is sizzling

why its not way more competitive for that term I am not sure but its not one of the MAIN terms you would think of, which are millions of backlinks no way you can compete

[TBInternetMarketing]

Originally Posted by The Oilman

60,000 visit a day (for the top term).

Well first up, there is only one way to really find out. Stick up a CPA offer and find out.

The 60,000 visitors, are those exact match? If so, then I'd say you could definitely make some good money. If you find a good CPA offer and get a good click through rate, then I see no reason why you couldn't do well with this.