Strange ranking

jeanyves7687 · 09-24-2010, 12:09 PM

Hello forum,

(sorry for my englisg i'm french )

In the ranking of one of my website, I see something strange
I am #11 and one of my competitors #5
I do not understand this position:

My Website: 273 backlinks - 81 pages indexed - Good OnPage optimization (title - alt - H1 - content > 300 words ..) Domain create : 30.07.2010.
My competitor: 0 backlinks - 7 index pages - Poor OnPage optimization (title no - no alt - no H1 - poor content <100 words) domain create 30/08/2010
But better rank than me, how it is possible? A site with no backlinks and poor optimization..

Thank you for your reply.

Bryan V · 09-24-2010, 12:39 PM

Is it the root domain ranking or a page within the site? Maybe it has a ton of links to the domain, but less to the actual page.

Maybe it has strong backlinks that just aren't showing up. Maybe your backlinks are really weak. Are you over optimized?

Have you checked rankings being logged out of Google? Check rankings with Scroogle.org?

jeanyves7687 · 09-24-2010, 12:46 PM

No no it's the root domain.
I have use google, yahoo seo spy glass, backlinkwatch and my concurrent has 0 backlinks.
My backlinks are : forum profile, blogs comment, bookmark, digg like, web 2.0 , directories ..
And i'm not logged in Google, to see my rank i use Rank tracker.

fanatic123 · 09-24-2010, 01:44 PM

It is not always necessary that you have too many backlinks, so you get a high PR. Your content has to be worth it also. Plus, do keep a check on equal backlinks on DOfollow and nofollow links.

IndigoJack · 09-24-2010, 02:23 PM

Is their site on an older domain?

Do they update their content regularly?

Are they using social media to push their site on local listings?

The crapiest looking website can out perform the slick young gun if they are using the above.

DianeBrandt · 09-24-2010, 07:46 PM

Honestly, it's not all about the backlinks and seo. It could be a number of things. This site could also be utilizing paid services to boost their page rank.

You're not the only one experiencing this... this is common.

theseoguys · 09-24-2010, 08:46 PM

Are you using anchor text in your links for the phrase or term your competition out ranks you on? If not then your inbound links aren't helping you as much as they could be.

jeanyves7687 · 09-25-2010, 02:56 AM

Thanks for the answers.

I have use backlinks with no follow and do follow, with good anchor i think ( zzz )

Concurrent website is yyy
My Website is xxx

It's like a directories.

It's very very strange for me...

jeanyves7687 · 09-25-2010, 08:02 AM

No idea ? :-(

jeanyves7687 · 09-27-2010, 08:11 AM

I tried to identify problems but I see nothing that explains this situation.
If you have ideas I'm interested :-)
Thank you very much.

FredJones · 09-27-2010, 08:34 AM

It may be one of the two:

(1) A temporary push that your competitor has received - if so then it will fall down and settle.
(2) Your competitor has a good number of new backlinks that are yet to show up - but will appear showing up in the tools.

And there is a third possibility too - that, they have a domain redirect - some other trusted domain is redirecting into this one.

I have seen each of the three happen across different examples.

jeanyves7687 · 09-27-2010, 09:10 AM

Thank you for the answers.

So I'll wait one month to see how his SEO evolves.

Thank you for your help

09-24-2010, 12:39 PM	#2
Bryan V Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 523 Thanks: 37 Thanked 65 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Strange ranking Is it the root domain ranking or a page within the site? Maybe it has a ton of links to the domain, but less to the actual page. Maybe it has strong backlinks that just aren't showing up. Maybe your backlinks are really weak. Are you over optimized? Have you checked rankings being logged out of Google? Check rankings with Scroogle.org?
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09-24-2010, 12:46 PM	#3
jeanyves7687 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Strange ranking No no it's the root domain. I have use google, yahoo seo spy glass, backlinkwatch and my concurrent has 0 backlinks. My backlinks are : forum profile, blogs comment, bookmark, digg like, web 2.0 , directories .. And i'm not logged in Google, to see my rank i use Rank tracker.

09-24-2010, 01:44 PM	#4
fanatic123 Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 52 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Strange ranking It is not always necessary that you have too many backlinks, so you get a high PR. Your content has to be worth it also. Plus, do keep a check on equal backlinks on DOfollow and nofollow links.

09-24-2010, 02:23 PM	#5
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09-24-2010, 07:46 PM	#6
DianeBrandt Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: USA Posts: 89 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking	Re: Strange ranking Honestly, it's not all about the backlinks and seo. It could be a number of things. This site could also be utilizing paid services to boost their page rank. You're not the only one experiencing this... this is common.
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09-24-2010, 12:09 PM	#1
jeanyves7687 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Strange ranking Hello forum, (sorry for my englisg i'm french ) In the ranking of one of my website, I see something strange I am #11 and one of my competitors #5 I do not understand this position: My Website: 273 backlinks - 81 pages indexed - Good OnPage optimization (title - alt - H1 - content > 300 words ..) Domain create : 30.07.2010. My competitor: 0 backlinks - 7 index pages - Poor OnPage optimization (title no - no alt - no H1 - poor content <100 words) domain create 30/08/2010 But better rank than me, how it is possible? A site with no backlinks and poor optimization.. Thank you for your reply.

09-24-2010, 08:46 PM	#7
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09-25-2010, 02:56 AM	#8
jeanyves7687 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Strange ranking Thanks for the answers. I have use backlinks with no follow and do follow, with good anchor i think ( zzz ) Concurrent website is yyy My Website is xxx It's like a directories. It's very very strange for me...

09-25-2010, 08:02 AM	#9
jeanyves7687 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Strange ranking No idea ? :-(

09-27-2010, 08:11 AM	#10
jeanyves7687 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Strange ranking I tried to identify problems but I see nothing that explains this situation. If you have ideas I'm interested :-) Thank you very much.

09-27-2010, 08:34 AM	#11
FredJones GegeTech Consultants War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,530 Thanks: 235 Thanked 500 Times in 258 Posts Contact Info	Re: Strange ranking It may be one of the two: (1) A temporary push that your competitor has received - if so then it will fall down and settle. (2) Your competitor has a good number of new backlinks that are yet to show up - but will appear showing up in the tools. And there is a third possibility too - that, they have a domain redirect - some other trusted domain is redirecting into this one. I have seen each of the three happen across different examples.
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09-27-2010, 09:10 AM	#12
jeanyves7687 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Strange ranking Thank you for the answers. So I'll wait one month to see how his SEO evolves. Thank you for your help