Playing in the Sandbox

AFI · 10-22-2010, 03:34 PM

I was on the front page of Google for "low cost banner" for my banner site and all I did was add some META tags (I didn't even have any before) and Google completely removed my site for that phrase.

So now what?

paulgl · 10-22-2010, 03:43 PM

Sites go up and down, depending on a huge number of factors.

Just keep on keeping on. That's the best advice.

Your site is not the only one out there, and there is never any
guarantee of staying on top.

The metas are were probably just a coincidence.

The thing about the "sandbox," is, if it did exist for what people say,
then that means google is burying your site for a reason. If they
have a reason to bury it, they would just de-index and be done with
it. So sandbox does not really make sense, actually. A drop in ranking
is not google's fault. It's you or your competition.

Drops in rankings are drops in rankings. You, your sites, other sites,
the internet, do not exist in a vacuum.

Paul

AFI · 10-22-2010, 03:46 PM

They didn't just bury it, they completely removed it for that phrase (according to Rank Checker). Should I just put the site back to what it was? I'm frustrated.

InitialEffort · 10-22-2010, 04:32 PM

Start building backlinks

It will probably return. Google just took one of my websites from 140 to 22 for a KW. Then put it in the SB after a day there. So now it's backlinking time.

They did the same thing with another established website. Took it from 10 to 9 to 8 to the SB to 7 to 6 to 5.

paulgl · 10-22-2010, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFI

They didn't just bury it, they completely removed it for that phrase (according to Rank Checker). Should I just put the site back to what it was? I'm frustrated.

They don't remove a site for "just a phrase."

They either de-index, or don't think it's as good as you would like at the
moment, and drops in rankings.

If the site is de-indexed, that's not a sandbox. if the site just dropped off
the first few pages, or not for those terms, that's not a sandbox.

Your site does not exist in a vacuum.

Google is not under any obligation to keep it in the stars.

On any given day, a site may be #1, or not on the first page.
It's how internet searches do and should work.

Incidentally, google does not use meta tags for any rankings.

Paul

chandan_dutta · 10-22-2010, 08:26 PM

It is better to keep building backlinks. There is no need to worry. Ranking up-down is completely natural. Just few days back one of my blog went to #13 from #3 but it came back within 2 weeks. It happens.

BobJutsu · 10-22-2010, 10:18 PM

How long was your site up in the rankings for?

I have seen several newer sites get pretty high initial rankings for a few days, and then move quickly down through the serps. This, however, isn't really a penalty, it is just the algorithm normalizing and the sites are moving from being artificially high to being where they should be much lower.

AFI · 10-23-2010, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulgl

They don't remove a site for "just a phrase."

They either de-index, or don't think it's as good as you would like at the
moment, and drops in rankings.

Well I don't know what to tell you but they DID do this. If you use Rank Checker and search my site for that keyword phrase it comes up as not listed on Google for that phrase anymore. And I'm #4 on Yahoo and #7 on Bing. I used to be #6 on Google and I changed some of my title and META tags and now gone for that phrase.

But my site is still indexed, I checked.

all4rex · 10-23-2010, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFI

Well I don't know what to tell you but they DID do this. If you use Rank Checker and search my site for that keyword phrase it comes up as not listed on Google for that phrase anymore. And I'm #4 on Yahoo and #7 on Bing. I used to be #6 on Google and I changed some of my title and META tags and now gone for that phrase.

But my site is still indexed, I checked.

Try to test your website with the Sandbox detector tool.

Chris Munch · 10-23-2010, 09:32 AM

Try reading this thread to better understand what the Sandbox exactly is:
Brand New Young Domains & the Google Sandbox [Is it a Penalty?]

If the meta tags you added were spammy in nature then it could have effected your rankings in a negative way, if not then it probably has nothing to do with it.

Generally it is not good to obsess over rankings jump, they will happen regardless - just concentrate on what works.

bgmacaw · 10-23-2010, 10:51 AM

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AFI · 10-23-2010, 12:50 PM

The sandbox tool said 61% probably for the sandbox, but it found me at ranking #204

10-22-2010, 03:34 PM	#1
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10-22-2010, 03:43 PM	#2
paulgl Plundering the Web War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 4,849 Thanks: 804 Thanked 1,199 Times in 886 Posts	Re: Playing in the Sandbox Sites go up and down, depending on a huge number of factors. Just keep on keeping on. That's the best advice. Your site is not the only one out there, and there is never any guarantee of staying on top. The metas are were probably just a coincidence. The thing about the "sandbox," is, if it did exist for what people say, then that means google is burying your site for a reason. If they have a reason to bury it, they would just de-index and be done with it. So sandbox does not really make sense, actually. A drop in ranking is not google's fault. It's you or your competition. Drops in rankings are drops in rankings. You, your sites, other sites, the internet, do not exist in a vacuum. Paul
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10-22-2010, 03:46 PM	#3
AFI Jennifer War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New England Posts: 1,545 Thanks: 372 Thanked 276 Times in 164 Posts	Re: Playing in the Sandbox They didn't just bury it, they completely removed it for that phrase (according to Rank Checker). Should I just put the site back to what it was? I'm frustrated.
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10-22-2010, 04:32 PM	#4
InitialEffort Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,104 Thanks: 16 Thanked 117 Times in 87 Posts	Re: Playing in the Sandbox Start building backlinks It will probably return. Google just took one of my websites from 140 to 22 for a KW. Then put it in the SB after a day there. So now it's backlinking time. They did the same thing with another established website. Took it from 10 to 9 to 8 to the SB to 7 to 6 to 5.
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10-22-2010, 10:18 PM	#7
BobJutsu Probably yo' daddy Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 145 Thanks: 4 Thanked 27 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Playing in the Sandbox How long was your site up in the rankings for? I have seen several newer sites get pretty high initial rankings for a few days, and then move quickly down through the serps. This, however, isn't really a penalty, it is just the algorithm normalizing and the sites are moving from being artificially high to being where they should be much lower.

10-23-2010, 09:32 AM	#10
Chris Munch Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 577 Thanks: 350 Thanked 479 Times in 156 Posts	Re: Playing in the Sandbox Try reading this thread to better understand what the Sandbox exactly is: Brand New Young Domains & the Google Sandbox [Is it a Penalty?] If the meta tags you added were spammy in nature then it could have effected your rankings in a negative way, if not then it probably has nothing to do with it. Generally it is not good to obsess over rankings jump, they will happen regardless - just concentrate on what works.
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10-23-2010, 12:50 PM	#12
AFI Jennifer War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New England Posts: 1,545 Thanks: 372 Thanked 276 Times in 164 Posts	Re: Playing in the Sandbox The sandbox tool said 61% probably for the sandbox, but it found me at ranking #204
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