DOFOLLOW VS. NOFOLLOW: Your Source(s) for DOFOLLOW backlinks? is NOFOLLOW really useless?

orvn · 11-03-2010, 10:06 AM

Okay everyone, high PR sites have NOFOLLOW links everywhere.

QUESTION 1:

- When I add an external URL to a Youtube like, it's Nofollow,
- When I include sources or external links in a Wikipedia page, they're all Nofollow
- Twitter, Facebook and Stumbleupon links are all Nofollow
- Blogger and Wordpress links are Nofollow by default.

Okay SRSLY WTF.
I do understand that this was done to prevent spam, but where's a guy to find some decent DOFOLLOW's if NOFOLLOW is becoming the standard for high traffic sites wanting to avert SPAM.

I usually submit to directories and try to get the most I can out of an article or two. Yahoo Answers and Digg.com tend to be gold.

What do you guys do?

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QUESTION 2:

Are NOFOLLOW's really useless?
Or do they just carry less weight/link juice?

I understand that there's a lot of controversy surrounding this topic and that we're not really sure about this in the SEO world, but I'd just like to hear your experiences.

That's why I'm also including a poll! (:

Wesley Atkins · 11-03-2010, 10:09 AM

Nofollowed links will carry less weight in the SE's.. However..

People need to stop thinking of backlinks as juice for their site...

..If people looked at links in terms of the traffic value they provide, you will do much better at SEO longterm.

orvn · 11-03-2010, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

Nofollowed links will carry less weight in the SE's.. However..

People need to stop thinking of backlinks as juice for their site...

..If people looked at links in terms of the traffic value they provide, you will do much better at SEO.

That's actually a REALLY good point.
You've given me something to think about.

Essentially, this question arose because I wrote a Wikipedia article for an educational institution, and then wondered if it's a good idea from an SEO standpoint.

It makes sense that if a link is used a lot, bots may be interested in it, even if it's a NOFOLLOW.

jhonsean · 11-03-2010, 10:16 AM

Google also counts no follow links as well but not as much as do follow links, I think many visitors most likely go for an informative link and user friendly features of the sites that's why do follow links is commonly use.

NicoleBeckett · 11-03-2010, 10:23 AM

Nofollows definitely play a big role in SEO. First and foremost, you can get alot of traffic from nofollow links. Even though the search engines don't give them as much weight, someone can still click on your nofollow link, head to your site, and become a valuable customer. People aren't looking at whether your links are nofollow or not; they're simply trying to decide if your link is worth clicking on.

Second, having nofollow links shows Google that you're building links naturally - because nofollow is just part of being on the web. As you've seen, there are so many places that are nofollow, so if you don't have ANY, it can look a little fishy to the search engines.

JRCarson · 11-03-2010, 10:45 AM

If I had an article that was being viewed thousands of times a month, I don't care if it's dofollow or nofollow, what I care about is how many times people are clicking to where I want them to go.

If I've written the article on a topic and it is getting a lot of views, but I included a link that has nothing to do with it, nobody is going to click on it. So great, it's a powerful backlink, but I lost out on hundreds or thousands of targeted visitor clicks!

I'm not an expert with SEO by any means, but since I've started just worrying about creating quality content, back linking seems to take care of itself without any thought. (with good initial keyword research at the beginning of course)

samuel.johnson · 11-03-2010, 10:49 AM

A link is a link in yahoo but in Google it may differ depending on nofollow or dofollow.

I think it is right.

Andrew James · 11-03-2010, 12:05 PM

I have mentioned this in a few threads recently, don't ignore the No Follow! You're thinking in the purely SEO terms.

Think about your end goal...Traffic.

If you can get your links out there on high traffic sites then why would you not do that? That No Follow link might not increase your SER, but the link itself could drive 100's of extra visitors to your site who want to read what you have to say.

orvn · 11-03-2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew James

I have mentioned this in a few threads recently, don't ignore the No Follow! You're thinking in the purely SEO terms.

Think about your end goal...Traffic.

If you can get your links out there on high traffic sites then why would you not do that? That No Follow link might not increase your SER, but the link itself could drive 100's of extra visitors to your site who want to read what you have to say.

Oh I know a thing or two about driving traffic

I'm just wondering about the direct effect on my rankings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuel.johnson

A link is a link in yahoo but in Google it may differ depending on nofollow or dofollow.
I think it is right.

Yeah, I saw that analysis too! Yahoo doesn't care for nofollow, but MSN and Google do. Although investigation shows that Google does explore these links.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRCarson

If I had an article that was being viewed thousands of times a month, I don't care if it's dofollow or nofollow, what I care about is how many times people are clicking to where I want them to go.

If I've written the article on a topic and it is getting a lot of views, but I included a link that has nothing to do with it, nobody is going to click on it. So great, it's a powerful backlink, but I lost out on hundreds or thousands of targeted visitor clicks!

I'm not an expert with SEO by any means, but since I've started just worrying about creating quality content, back linking seems to take care of itself without any thought. (with good initial keyword research at the beginning of course)

Please, check out my post on creating quality content! (:
Okay guys, THIS is how you use social networks to get 100,000hits in under a week. (linkbaiting)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett

Second, having nofollow links shows Google that you're building links naturally - because nofollow is just part of being on the web. As you've seen, there are so many places that are nofollow, so if you don't have ANY, it can look a little fishy to the search engines.

Thanks. I hadn't considered that. Your post was helpful.

co-creator · 01-11-2011, 03:19 PM

how many backlinks can you build a day without being suspicious?

I was told to limit the amount of backlinks I build to 5-10 a day... but I'm really psyched about moving up the rankings in google and building as many backlinks as a I can every day.

Is it really a bad thing if I build more than 5-10 backlinks a day? What could happen? At this pace(5-10), things seem to be going so slowww...

View Poll Results: In your experience, how do NOFOLLOW backlinks measure up against their DOFOLLOW counterparts?
NOFOLLOW's are completely useless. It is rarely worth it to bother with them.	4	36.36%
NOFOLLOW's are of some use. They seem to carry some link-juice, just not as much as DOFOLLOW's.	3	27.27%
NOFOLLOW's can be almost as important as DOFOLLOW's, especially from high PR sources	3	27.27%
I have no idea!	1	9.09%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

11-03-2010, 10:06 AM	#1
orvn Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 756 Thanks: 86 Thanked 178 Times in 102 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	DOFOLLOW VS. NOFOLLOW: Your Source(s) for DOFOLLOW backlinks? is NOFOLLOW really useless? Okay everyone, high PR sites have NOFOLLOW links everywhere. QUESTION 1: - When I add an external URL to a Youtube like, it's Nofollow, - When I include sources or external links in a Wikipedia page, they're all Nofollow - Twitter, Facebook and Stumbleupon links are all Nofollow - Blogger and Wordpress links are Nofollow by default. Okay SRSLY WTF. I do understand that this was done to prevent spam, but where's a guy to find some decent DOFOLLOW's if NOFOLLOW is becoming the standard for high traffic sites wanting to avert SPAM. I usually submit to directories and try to get the most I can out of an article or two. Yahoo Answers and Digg.com tend to be gold. What do you guys do? --- QUESTION 2: Are NOFOLLOW's really useless? Or do they just carry less weight/link juice? I understand that there's a lot of controversy surrounding this topic and that we're not really sure about this in the SEO world, but I'd just like to hear your experiences. That's why I'm also including a poll! (:
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11-03-2010, 10:09 AM	#2
Wesley Atkins SEO & IM Consultant War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London Posts: 217 Thanks: 21 Thanked 202 Times in 41 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: DOFOLLOW VS. NOFOLLOW: Your Source(s) for DOFOLLOW backlinks? is NOFOLLOW really useless? Nofollowed links will carry less weight in the SE's.. However.. People need to stop thinking of backlinks as juice for their site... ..If people looked at links in terms of the traffic value they provide, you will do much better at SEO longterm.
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11-03-2010, 10:16 AM	#4
jhonsean Advanced Warrior Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 852 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 26 Posts	Re: DOFOLLOW VS. NOFOLLOW: Your Source(s) for DOFOLLOW backlinks? is NOFOLLOW really useless? Google also counts no follow links as well but not as much as do follow links, I think many visitors most likely go for an informative link and user friendly features of the sites that's why do follow links is commonly use.

11-03-2010, 10:23 AM	#5
NicoleBeckett Senior Warrior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,053 Thanks: 617 Thanked 605 Times in 374 Posts Social Networking	Re: DOFOLLOW VS. NOFOLLOW: Your Source(s) for DOFOLLOW backlinks? is NOFOLLOW really useless? Nofollows definitely play a big role in SEO. First and foremost, you can get alot of traffic from nofollow links. Even though the search engines don't give them as much weight, someone can still click on your nofollow link, head to your site, and become a valuable customer. People aren't looking at whether your links are nofollow or not; they're simply trying to decide if your link is worth clicking on. Second, having nofollow links shows Google that you're building links naturally - because nofollow is just part of being on the web. As you've seen, there are so many places that are nofollow, so if you don't have ANY, it can look a little fishy to the search engines.
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11-03-2010, 10:45 AM	#6
JRCarson Mile High Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 558 Thanks: 18 Thanked 98 Times in 82 Posts Social Networking	Re: DOFOLLOW VS. NOFOLLOW: Your Source(s) for DOFOLLOW backlinks? is NOFOLLOW really useless? If I had an article that was being viewed thousands of times a month, I don't care if it's dofollow or nofollow, what I care about is how many times people are clicking to where I want them to go. If I've written the article on a topic and it is getting a lot of views, but I included a link that has nothing to do with it, nobody is going to click on it. So great, it's a powerful backlink, but I lost out on hundreds or thousands of targeted visitor clicks! I'm not an expert with SEO by any means, but since I've started just worrying about creating quality content, back linking seems to take care of itself without any thought. (with good initial keyword research at the beginning of course)

11-03-2010, 10:49 AM	#7
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11-03-2010, 12:05 PM	#8
Andrew James Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 80 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: DOFOLLOW VS. NOFOLLOW: Your Source(s) for DOFOLLOW backlinks? is NOFOLLOW really useless? I have mentioned this in a few threads recently, don't ignore the No Follow! You're thinking in the purely SEO terms. Think about your end goal...Traffic. If you can get your links out there on high traffic sites then why would you not do that? That No Follow link might not increase your SER, but the link itself could drive 100's of extra visitors to your site who want to read what you have to say.

01-11-2011, 03:19 PM	#10
co-creator HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 232 Thanks: 192 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	related question how many backlinks can you build a day without being suspicious? I was told to limit the amount of backlinks I build to 5-10 a day... but I'm really psyched about moving up the rankings in google and building as many backlinks as a I can every day. Is it really a bad thing if I build more than 5-10 backlinks a day? What could happen? At this pace(5-10), things seem to be going so slowww...