What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the

Dexx · 11-15-2008, 03:00 AM

best results for SEO?

In other words, when you are looking at valuable keyword with opportunity, what is YOUR cut off for competition in Google? (for example)

If adwords says you can expect 1,000 visitors a day for a certain keyword (for example)

would you try and compete vs 100,000 results in Google (title optimized for that keyword)

200,000?

500,000?

etc,

How much time and effort would you put into getting a keyword that generates 1,000 - 3,000 visitors (estimated) daily?

Or would you focus on keywords with competition under 100,000 to get search results faster if (for example) those keywords brought in 100 - 500 search daily?

montsa007 · 11-16-2008, 05:25 AM

Impossible to tell an accurate figure

I get low competition now since my forum is one among the line

Clark Cassidy · 11-16-2008, 02:28 PM

I've broken into markets as high as 12 million competitors, but that was a big headache and I don't think I'd go any higher then that.

Dexx · 11-16-2008, 02:34 PM

12 million competition with the keywords in their titles for their pages? or 12 million broad search?

How was the competition if you did it based on those SEO'd for the phrase?

How long did it take you to hit...Top 5?

Clark Cassidy · 11-16-2008, 02:38 PM

12 million broad search, few million with the same search in quotes.

The competition really wasn't that fierce, except for maybe the top 15 or so. Those were the ones who were the "authorities" that I had to beat out.

It took me around 6 months to break top 10, around 2 more months for top 5, and then about 2 more months to rank 1 with sitelinks.

mikecowles · 11-16-2008, 02:38 PM

Hi Dexx,

That's a really good question that most people don't really think about. I would suggest you start with a google adwords account to see if there is a need for your product or service and if your sales page converts well.

Once you do that, it should take a day to start seeing visitors and a week or two, to know which keyword phrases are the best at getting people to your site. Then you should optimize your site for those exact keyword phrases.

In other words, if you're selling gym shoes, you may find that 'affordable nike gym shoes' may get you a great click through rate (and be targeted to your product!). Then create a page in your site that's specific to that offer/phrase.

Something like http://www.yourdomain.com/affordable...gym-shoes.html

Also, for your ppc campaign, be sure to use the deliminators google suggests to see exactly what you're potential clients are really typing in. If you're not familiar with deliminators, it's a fancy word for putting your keywords in "quotes" and [brackets]. This let's google know if you want an exact match or a phrase match or a broad match.

You can use Keyword Secretary for free to do it for you and watch a tutorial for more details there as well.

Let me know if that helps!

-Mike Cowles. <><

Dexx · 11-16-2008, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Cassidy

12 million broad search, few million with the same search in quotes.

The competition really wasn't that fierce, except for maybe the top 15 or so. Those were the ones who were the "authorities" that I had to beat out.

It took me around 6 months to break top 10, around 2 more months for top 5, and then about 2 more months to rank 1 with sitelinks.

Oh wow well done!

How did you find the traffic when you got to #1 on Google for the Keyword, was it worth all the effort? How accurate were the traffic estimators and various tools compared to the actual number?

scene4u · 11-17-2008, 08:11 AM

I do not like to compete with more than 2,500,000 sites when I am first trying to break into the market and anything over 10,000,000 sites is a definite no go and an unnecessary headache.

rvitgroup · 04-15-2011, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dexx

best results for SEO?

In other words, when you are looking at valuable keyword with opportunity, what is YOUR cut off for competition in Google? (for example)

If adwords says you can expect 1,000 visitors a day for a certain keyword (for example)

would you try and compete vs 100,000 results in Google (title optimized for that keyword)

200,000?

500,000?

etc,

How much time and effort would you put into getting a keyword that generates 1,000 - 3,000 visitors (estimated) daily?

Or would you focus on keywords with competition under 100,000 to get search results faster if (for example) those keywords brought in 100 - 500 search daily?

Nice post i don't know all of this before. Thanks for sharing

raydp · 04-15-2011, 03:02 AM

One aspect that's often overlooked in discussions like this is the quality of the competition. It doesn't really matter how many sites you're competing against. To some extent, if you're up against poorly SEO'd sites with few good backlinks you can still do well. At the same time, you may wish to ponder why the competition is so poor - maybe it's not a money making niche.

On the other hand, I have competed in a UK niche for over 10 years where there's only around 100,000 competitors. I have to fight tooth and nail to stay on the front page. It's not as lucrative a niche as it was up to about 5 years ago when it used to earn me around £3,500 a month - it's now around £500 - but it doesn't get any easier to stay on top.

You'll need to check out the strengh and quality of the competition to get a true picture.

Ray.

PS. Don't ask me the niche, I've got enough problems!

11-16-2008, 05:25 AM	#2
montsa007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scriptthief.com Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the Impossible to tell an accurate figure I get low competition now since my forum is one among the line

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Clark Cassidy Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 99 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the I've broken into markets as high as 12 million competitors, but that was a big headache and I don't think I'd go any higher then that.

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Dexx Offline Consultant War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,900 Thanks: 612 Thanked 613 Times in 318 Posts Social Networking	Re: What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the 12 million competition with the keywords in their titles for their pages? or 12 million broad search? How was the competition if you did it based on those SEO'd for the phrase? How long did it take you to hit...Top 5?

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Clark Cassidy Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 99 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the 12 million broad search, few million with the same search in quotes. The competition really wasn't that fierce, except for maybe the top 15 or so. Those were the ones who were the "authorities" that I had to beat out. It took me around 6 months to break top 10, around 2 more months for top 5, and then about 2 more months to rank 1 with sitelinks.

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mikecowles Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: , , USA. Posts: 963 Thanks: 969 Thanked 651 Times in 138 Posts Social Networking	Re: What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the Hi Dexx, That's a really good question that most people don't really think about. I would suggest you start with a google adwords account to see if there is a need for your product or service and if your sales page converts well. Once you do that, it should take a day to start seeing visitors and a week or two, to know which keyword phrases are the best at getting people to your site. Then you should optimize your site for those exact keyword phrases. In other words, if you're selling gym shoes, you may find that 'affordable nike gym shoes' may get you a great click through rate (and be targeted to your product!). Then create a page in your site that's specific to that offer/phrase. Something like http://www.yourdomain.com/affordable...gym-shoes.html Also, for your ppc campaign, be sure to use the deliminators google suggests to see exactly what you're potential clients are really typing in. If you're not familiar with deliminators, it's a fancy word for putting your keywords in "quotes" and [brackets]. This let's google know if you want an exact match or a phrase match or a broad match. You can use Keyword Secretary for free to do it for you and watch a tutorial for more details there as well. Let me know if that helps! -Mike Cowles. <><
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11-15-2008, 03:00 AM	#1
Dexx Offline Consultant War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,900 Thanks: 612 Thanked 613 Times in 318 Posts Social Networking	What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the best results for SEO? In other words, when you are looking at valuable keyword with opportunity, what is YOUR cut off for competition in Google? (for example) If adwords says you can expect 1,000 visitors a day for a certain keyword (for example) would you try and compete vs 100,000 results in Google (title optimized for that keyword) 200,000? 500,000? etc, How much time and effort would you put into getting a keyword that generates 1,000 - 3,000 visitors (estimated) daily? Or would you focus on keywords with competition under 100,000 to get search results faster if (for example) those keywords brought in 100 - 500 search daily?

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raydp Ethical Marketer. War Room Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cromer, North Norfolk , United Kingdom. Posts: 756 Thanks: 46 Thanked 149 Times in 63 Posts	Re: What is the "ideal" amount of Competition to get you the One aspect that's often overlooked in discussions like this is the quality of the competition. It doesn't really matter how many sites you're competing against. To some extent, if you're up against poorly SEO'd sites with few good backlinks you can still do well. At the same time, you may wish to ponder why the competition is so poor - maybe it's not a money making niche. On the other hand, I have competed in a UK niche for over 10 years where there's only around 100,000 competitors. I have to fight tooth and nail to stay on the front page. It's not as lucrative a niche as it was up to about 5 years ago when it used to earn me around £3,500 a month - it's now around £500 - but it doesn't get any easier to stay on top. You'll need to check out the strengh and quality of the competition to get a true picture. Ray. PS. Don't ask me the niche, I've got enough problems!