Massive indexing without backlinking? Sitemaps?

[bizousoft]

Have a competitor who has 2 sites. Each is auto-generated crap, but...

One page has 30k pages indexed in Google, the other one 15k pages.

He has 0 backlinks.

How is that possible?

I'm thinking it has something to do with the way he created his sitemaps. Any ideas on how that's done?

My sites have 4 sitemaps with 50k URLs each, but nowhere near his results.

[askloz]

You dont need to have backlinks per say to get a site indexed.

Each domain register is linked up to a site, and when new domains are added to their servers, its listed on some website which is crawled many times a day, and the link is picked up via there.

[Wesley Atkins]

His domains are probably a lot older..

Even so, just get yourself a handful of backlinks for your site and you'll be ranking above him in no time at all..

[bizousoft]

Originally Posted by askloz

You dont need to have backlinks per say to get a site indexed.

Each domain register is linked up to a site, and when new domains are added to their servers, its listed on some website which is crawled many times a day, and the link is picked up via there.

I checked backlinks through Yahoo site explorer. I assume you're talking about those monitoring sites? Should they appear when doing a backlinks check? Is there anything better than Yahoo Site Explorer to check backlinks?

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

His domains are probably a lot older..

Even so, just get yourself a handful of backlinks for your site and you'll be ranking above him in no time at all..

Sites are actually a lot younger than mine. I have hundreds of links, not bad quality also. But my sites have 1/8 amount of pages in Google index compared to his.

[dburk]

Hi bizousoft,

Without seeing the actual sites you are comparing we can only guess. My guess would be that your competitor is probably using superior internal link structure, or there are more backlinks than you are aware of.

[Jackjim]

Quality backlinks will get your website indexed faster.

[bizousoft]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi bizousoft,

Without seeing the actual sites you are comparing we can only guess. My guess would be that your competitor is probably using superior internal link structure, or there are more backlinks than you are aware of.

ha! think you nailed it right on the head!

The guy has internal linking which is far better than mine. Each page links out to 12 other random pages on the site. I don't have that on my sites.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by bizousoft

ha! think you nailed it right on the head!

The guy has internal linking which is far better than mine. Each page links out to 12 other random pages on the site. I don't have that on my sites.

Are you sure it's random?

I would only link to another internal page that is relavant, to my on-page anchor-text.

[bizousoft]

Originally Posted by yukon

Are you sure it's random?

I would only link to another internal page that is relavant, to my on-page anchor-text.

Trust me. When it's auto-generated crap, it's all random... lol

[askloz]

Not entirely sure what you mean bizousoft.

All I can say is, one day my web host / friend showed me why it was possible for a site to get indexed with no backlinks... cos I thought (since im not a web host and knew nothing about it), when a site is up, there are no backlinks.

He showed me some site, cant remember now, it was MANY years ago. That listed all the domain registers on this web site and which domains they were hosting, it was because of this they the site was indexed...

There has to be a link pointing to your site from somewhere in order for your site to be indexed, as you know... so If i never did any backlinks, who did? it wasn't a backlink for the intention to do seo... just a reference link; dub dub dub domain dot com...

Originally Posted by bizousoft

I checked backlinks through Yahoo site explorer. I assume you're talking about those monitoring sites? Should they appear when doing a backlinks check? Is there anything better than Yahoo Site Explorer to check backlinks?

[bizousoft]

Here is an example you will surely understand

forexsignalmentor.com web information profile

There are many sites like that. They somehow discover new domains that were created. May be crawling whois records or something. Then they produce worthless estimates of sites and put them online.

That gives you a free link. I assumed you were talking about them.

Indexing is possible without backlinks. I had some sites which I verified in webmastertools, but forgot to create backlinks. Several months later I noticed they were indexed quite nicely by Google.

[deus ex]

Backlinks do help but also clear navigation on the site, a human and xml sitemap as well as many other things. Large indexing of sites just comes through time

[FredJones]

What interests me in your case - does your competitor rank well in SERPs for decently competitive keywords that thay are targeting/seem to have in focus?

Originally Posted by bizousoft

Have a competitor who has 2 sites. Each is auto-generated crap, but...

One page has 30k pages indexed in Google, the other one 15k pages.

He has 0 backlinks.

How is that possible?

I'm thinking it has something to do with the way he created his sitemaps. Any ideas on how that's done?

My sites have 4 sitemaps with 50k URLs each, but nowhere near his results.

[drifter73]

The key to getting your pages indexed organically without a sitemap or backlinks is to 1.) submit the site manually to the engine, & 2.) Make sure every page is not more than 2 clicks from the home page. It's important that an algorithm can spider your pages within 2 followed links of the home page, as lots search engines cap off how deep they will index a site to improve the speed of indexing. This is also the main reason sitemaps got so popular, due to caps on deep indexing.

[bizousoft]

Originally Posted by FredJones

What interests me in your case - does your competitor rank well in SERPs for decently competitive keywords that thay are targeting/seem to have in focus?

nope not really

[bizousoft]

Is Yahoo site explorer the best tool to check backlinks? May be he has a lot of them but yahoo is not seeing them. May be like RSS feeds or something

[askloz]

Thats my site, and no, that is not the place I am talking about, I did a 2500 submission from the free tool on this forum, and that is the result of it

Originally Posted by bizousoft

Here is an example you will surely understand

forexsignalmentor.com web information profile

There are many sites like that. They somehow discover new domains that were created. May be crawling whois records or something. Then they produce worthless estimates of sites and put them online.

That gives you a free link. I assumed you were talking about them.

Indexing is possible without backlinks. I had some sites which I verified in webmastertools, but forgot to create backlinks. Several months later I noticed they were indexed quite nicely by Google.

[harrisonsmith]

you don't need backlinks to get indexed in Google
Backilnks are important in SEO because it increase the visibility of your website.....