Free Article Spinners

[Richard Van]

Steven Wagenheim - But you are NEVER going to convince me or any other writer worth his
salt that spinning is nothing more than crap.

aj113 On that note I shall leave this most tedious of one sided arguements.

I shall not return and won't be looking at your comments again so please don't waste any more of your precious time. People like yourself will never be convinced. You think you are right and therefore, if you say you are, you are. Even if I offered you proof to the contrary.

I do not have time to waste on this anymore. Spin away...and away.

All the very best.

Merry Christmas.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.

Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.

Heh, I don't have a problem with it - but clearly YOU do.

So they're (all the top article marketers in the thread you haven't even bothered to look at) wrong and thats why you hide behind your name.

Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. If there's a thread you want me to read why don't you just give me the link instead of spouting off?

I wish you a huge amount of luck....

Heh, not necessary.

[quote]It's in the thread, shows how much you don't read the thread. Have another looky. [/qupte]In what thread? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

So why did you say this...

Because I am talking about you submitting 1 article and me submitting 10. That is patently obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. I know you absoulutely insist that I am talking about submitting 10 spun versions of the same article, but I am not. I am talking about 10 different articles all spun once. So why do insist otherwise?

How do you put 1 and 10 in the same sentence when you spin one article once?

10 different articles all spun 1 time. Geddit?

I get it. You steal ten different articles, rewrite or spin? then submit.

Ahhhh...NOW you get it!

That makes you the better marketer? Absolute utter nonsense. You steal I don't. That does NOT make you a better marketer. It makes you a very uningenious person piggy backing off the better marketer.

It means I make more money, quickly. I couldn't give a flying **** whether you think it is stealing or whatever. If you don't want people to have access to your articles, don't publish them to public directories. Think you're perfect? Why are you submitting articles in the first place? To fool Google in to thinking that have a bunch of natural backlinks? You and I are playing the same game my friend, the difference is that I am quite happy to admit it.

I create my own articles by getting someone that knows what they're doing

Right....so you don't create your own articles at all, you pay someone else to do it. So if we're talking about integrity, the fact is that I actually put more work and effort in to my articles than you do.

... and you come along, steal it and spin it. It has amateur written all over it.

It has 'make money' written all over it. I don't have time for 'holier than thou' attitudes. I just want to make as much money as fast I can. Hey if you don't want to make money, that's cool, but most people want to make as much money as they as fast as possible. That's what business is all about.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Seriously. You even bring in rubbish like that and have to double post to get your point across. Nonsense. Complete nonsense.

Pretty condescending attitude with that statement to. Incredible.

EDIT. You say you don't need to bring in the fact you support an entire Bangladeshi village to prove how fantastic you are - Well you just did didn't you?

Heres the link again for all the people you know are wrong. HERE IT IS

Also, don't accuse me of trolling. I've been argueing my point as you have. Thats the standard retort of someone that can't argue his/her point properly. I suggest you look up what trolling actually is.

Ok I've read the thread. A bunch of people saying that ezine does not accept spun content. So here's my challenge: post your ezine author id and I'll rewrite 10 of your articles using SpinnerChief and get them all accepted. Now is the time to put up or shut up.

[Richard Van]

I don't have time to waste on you anymore.

Here's the link for the third time as you are such a good marketer it's taken me three times to show you and still you can't see what a link is. I'll do it nice and plain to make it easier for you...

Does ezinearticles take spun articles?

Above is a link, third time its been done. Its the blue link thing in my other posts so you know what one is for next time. Click on the blue writing, fairly straightforward.

Right....so you don't create your own articles at all, you pay someone else to do it. So if we're talking about integrity, the fact is that I actually put more work and effort in to my articles than you do

No, as you admit, you are a thief, I pay someone to do work. Totally different. You steal, I provide employment.

Hey if you don't want to make money, that's cool

Wrong again, I do make money and lots of it. Lots and lots.

It has 'make money' written all over it

No it has amateur thief written all over it.

Think you're perfect? Why are you submitting articles in the first place? To fool Google in to thinking that have a bunch of natural backlinks?

No thats what your doing. Clearly you haven't read my posts and clearly you have no idea of what can be achieved through article marketing. I don't even do it for back links. If you're able, you can look up article syndication. Goes way beyond your amateur tactics.

Regarding me calling you a thief you say...

Heh, I don't have a problem with it - but clearly YOU do.

Thats nice...

At least if you get robbed, you'll understand the thief just did it to get rich quicker, just like you. Perhaps you'll learn to admire him, or her.

As for the rest of your amateur arguements I just have better things to do.

I doubt you even make a dime.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

Ok I've read the thread. A bunch of people saying that ezine does not accept spun content. So here's my challenge: post your ezine author id and I'll rewrite 10 of your articles using SpinnerChief and get them all accepted. Now is the time to put up or shut up.

You respect no one here but yourself. You really are a splendid addition to this forum. I'm glad I know you now.

post your ezine author id and I'll rewrite 10 of your articles using SpinnerChief and get them all accepted

Tell you what aj113, would you like my bank details too? mothers maiden name? You have admitted you have no qualms with thieving. Thats why you have 2 friends here after 2 years. You can't be trusted.

No, it's time for this nonsense to end. Why in hells name would I give you even one of my articles let alone my EZA id of which I have several anyway? They make me good money, not you. Steal them, I'm sure it works wonders, for now.

The End.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

........
If you think I am kidding, try spinning this forum post into something
meaningful......

About 8 minutes using SpinnerChief Super Replace

Goodness knows the reason why I am letting myself get drawn in to this however people, here is the
deal.
All hangs on what you need to get out of your content articles.
If your objective is always to have someone arrive at your MFA website, study what is there
and shout, "Bloody hell, please get me the bejesus away from here" and get these people
to click your Adsense or CPA advert, then go ahead and, rewrite the crap away from
it. The worse the content, the better.
But, if your objective is always to:
1. Determine yourself as an expert on a topic
2. Publish to web directories that value high quality and do not accept content spun content articles
3. Generate reviews from your content articles which are essentially substantial
Or any one of a quantity of points in which the high quality of the content is
essential, then content spinning your content articles is a complete waste of your time.
Back-links? I guess a huge amount of junk content articles could possibly get you a lot of those
if you publish to sufficient garbage web directories. Oh yea, also remember to make use of
an article submitter too. If you need a great service, at the very least utilize
something such as Isnare, although there are a few inexpensive submitters available
that will actually get the job done, publishing to numerous trash web directories.
It is just about anyone's guess in respect of just how long Search engines will essentially carry on and give
these junk content articles any kind of weight within the Search page results, although unfortunately, as of this moment,
they appear to make a difference. Just how do i know? I observe them all the time.
However, you are NEVER likely to persuade me or even any other author really worth his
salt that content spinning is nothing more than junk.
If you believe I'm joking, try content spinning this discussion board post in to anything
significant.
I rest my case.
And now you can all carry on with your love affair with article spinners.

[Richard Van]

8 minutes and you think that is totally different?

Thats really good. Looks almost the same. I'm sure no one at EZA would notice, seriously the more I deal with you the more funny this gets.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....At least if you get robbed, you'll understand the thief just did it to get rich quicker, ....

You can't rob something that is publicly available. If you don't want your articles to be used, don't submit them to a public article directory.

....
I doubt you even make a dime.

Makes no difference to me what you doubt. Your opinions don't put bread on my childrens' table.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by aj113

About 8 minutes using SpinnerChief Super Replace

Goodness knows the reason why I am letting myself get drawn in to this however people, here is the
deal.
All hangs on what you need to get out of your content articles.
If your objective is always to have someone arrive at your MFA website, study what is there
and shout, "Bloody hell, please get me the bejesus away from here" and get these people
to click your Adsense or CPA advert, then go ahead and, rewrite the crap away from
it. The worse the content, the better.
But, if your objective is always to:
1. Determine yourself as an expert on a topic
2. Publish to web directories that value high quality and do not accept content spun content articles
3. Generate reviews from your content articles which are essentially substantial
Or any one of a quantity of points in which the high quality of the content is
essential, then content spinning your content articles is a complete waste of your time.
Back-links? I guess a huge amount of junk content articles could possibly get you a lot of those
if you publish to sufficient garbage web directories. Oh yea, also remember to make use of
an article submitter too. If you need a great service, at the very least utilize
something such as Isnare, although there are a few inexpensive submitters available
that will actually get the job done, publishing to numerous trash web directories.
It is just about anyone's guess in respect of just how long Search engines will essentially carry on and give
these junk content articles any kind of weight within the Search page results, although unfortunately, as of this moment,
they appear to make a difference. Just how do i know? I observe them all the time.
However, you are NEVER likely to persuade me or even any other author really worth his
salt that content spinning is nothing more than junk.
If you believe I'm joking, try content spinning this discussion board post in to anything
significant.
I rest my case.
And now you can all carry on with your love affair with article spinners.

There are so many problems with this, I don't even know where to begin,
so I won't bother.

Good luck with your business, but you're simply not worth anymore of
my time than I've already given you.

Over and out.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

8 minutes and you think that is totally different?

Thats really good. Looks almost the same. I'm sure no one at EZA would notice, seriously the more I deal with you the more funny this gets.

No, I think it's spun into "something meaningful" as the poster requested. whether you think it is 'almost the same' is irrelevant, the fact is; it is 46% unique and would be accepted without a murmur at Ezine. (assuming the original post had already been submitted to ezine)

If you think that's funny, laugh away, I'm the one taking the cheques to the bank

[Richard Van]

So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.

Your attempt is hardly "Completely different"

whether you think it is 'almost the same' is irrelevant

No it's not irrelevant because of your previous arguement but yet again, you've moved the goal posts conveniently enough for you.

You can't rob something that is publicly available. If you don't want your articles to be used, don't submit them to a public article directory

You are publicly available to any robber. You think they have rules on this? No. Just like you don't.

If you think that's funny, laugh away, I'm the one taking the cheques to the bank

I very much doubt that.

Good luck.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

There are so many problems with this, I don't even know where to begin,
so I won't bother.

Good luck with your business, but you're simply not worth anymore of
my time than I've already given you.

Over and out.

Oh come on Steven, don't be a wet blanket - point out the multiple problems to us, pleeeease? You know you want to.

Is it the grammar? I mean. I only spun the synonyms, so the grammar is essentially your own. Spelling maybe? Artistic style? (Again your own). Come on...exactly what is wrong with it?

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Your attempt is hardly "Completely different"

You still don't get it do you? 10 "completely different" articles as in:

Article 1. The joys of sex
Article 2. The joys of misunderstanding forum posts
Article 3. The joys of building a strawman argument against your opponent
Article 4. etc

These are all "completely different" articles. All I have to do is rewrite them using SpinnerChief and submit them. Have you got it now?

You are publicly available to any robber. You think they have rules on this? No. Just like you don't.

You're bleating about someone copying your articles from Ezine, you think that is the same as having your house robbed?

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

Oh come on Steven, don't be a wet blanket - point out the multiple problems to us, pleeeease? You know you want to.

Is it the grammar? I mean. I only spun the synonyms, so the grammar is essentially your own. Spelling maybe? Artistic style? (Again your own). Come on...exactly what is wrong with it?

It looks the same. Perhaps you should look at your grammar.

He won't be back because you are wasting peoples time getting your affiliate link shown a bunch of times. What you fail to comprehend is by admitting thieving is fine by you, what mug would buy via your affiliate link?

You're bleating about someone copying your articles from Ezine, you think that is the same as having your house robbed?

Wrong yet, yet, again. You said...

You can't rob something that is publicly available. If you don't want your articles to be used, don't submit them to a public article directory

You are publicly available. You are the same thing. You rob my business, whats the difference. A thief is a thief. You are of the same mind.

And no I haven't got it now, the problem is you haven't got it now. One minute you say you make indistinguishable articles then the next time it doesn't matter. You like thieving I don't. Lets leave it at that.

This is so boring. You twist and change all the time.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

........Tell you what aj113, would you like my bank details too? mothers maiden name? You have admitted you have no qualms with thieving. Thats why you have 2 friends here after 2 years. You can't be trusted.

Actually, I asked for your ezine ID. (not your password, just your id) Are you not able to supply it? Why not? I thought your articles were very high quality? Don't you want everyone to read them and rush headlong to your money sites? Or maybe you just can't stand the thought of me proving you wrong by rewriting them and re-submitting them?

If you don't want to do that, just post some links to your articles here. I will re-write them and re-submit them and prove you wrong. It's a perfect opportunity for you to prove yourself right. So come on, let's go.

[Richard Van]

Oh and by the way, in your meta description of your site in your signature, you've spelt the one keyword you're trying to target wrong.

You have...

<meta name="KEYWORDS" content="uniqe content">

I believe "uniqe" is actually spelt "unique".

Great marketing there my friend.

Actually, I asked for your ezine ID. (not your password, just your id) Are you not able to supply it? Why not? I thought your articles were very high quality? Don't you want everyone to read them and rush headlong to your money sites? Or maybe you just can't stand the thought of me proving you wrong by rewriting them and re-submitting them?

If you don't want to do that, just post some links to your articles here. I will re-write them and re-submit them and prove you wrong. It's a perfect opportunity for you to prove yourself right. So come on, let's go.

No. You are a thief and I don't want you anywhere near my business. I tell you what. I'll give you access to my stuff as you asked for and you send me your address and houeskeys - Deal? I can find plenty of thiefs where I live.

You really don't get it do you. I do not trust you one iota and neither will anyone else reading your posts.

Even better why not go rob someones random article and show the whole forum how you do it.

Then you can show people exactly why you can't be trusted or listened to.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

It looks the same. Perhaps you should look at your grammar.

The grammar is not mine., it is the original poster's grammar. Maybe you should contact him about that.

He won't be back because you are wasting peoples time getting your affiliate link shown a bunch of times.

Affiliate link? What are you on about now?

......One minute you say you make indistinguishable articles then the next time it doesn't matter.

What? You are the master at that! I have consistently said exactly the same thing throughout this thread. I can take 10 different articles, rewrite each one using SpinnerChief and submit to ezine in the time it takes for you to do one. Show me where I have said anything different to that.

By the way, my house and contents are not publicly available as they are under lock and key. Conversely your ezine articles are submitted to a site that specifically makes the content available to the public.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Oh and by the way, in your meta description of your site in your signature, you've spelt the one keyword you're trying to target wrong.

You have...
I believe "uniqe" is actually spelt "unique".

Great marketing there my friend.

And your point is what exactly? Off topic puerile sniping?

No. You are a thief blah blah ....yawn.

I just want the good people of this forum to see that you are right. Give me a link to an article of yours and I will rewrite it and have it accepted by Ezine. Surely you can do that much/little? I mean, you are so eaten up with the desire to be right, how can you resist? You have stated that ezine does not accept spun articles, and you have cited all of your good author-friends in support of this, now is your golden chance to prove yourself undeniably right. Let's do it - why not?

NB "blah's" and "yawn" technically mine.

[Richard Van]

Yawn yawn yawn. More boring goal post moving arguements.

So now your saying that when you spin the articles they actually look the same as the original? That was my point at the beginning. So you spin something, it looks the same but EZA don't notice that?

Why don't you show me an example of an article you thieved and your spun version. That way I'll accept you're right.

Better still as you want to challenge me when I have nothing to prove, go and get an article now, spin it live here and prove me wrong.

Simple really, then I shut up and you win this petty row thats gone on way too long. You don't need one of my articles, you have an entire directory. Just go ahead and show us all.

Make sure you change the meta description in your signature link though. Thats internet marketing 101, real basic stuff. Thought you'd have known that.

[aj113]

Sorry, forgot to add this:

@Richard Van
There are hundreds - probabaly thousands - of forum members here who do exactly the same as me. They scrape an article, rewrite it and then submit it. Hence the popularity of TBS and SpinnerChief. Just wondered if you would confirm please that you regard them all as thieves and robbers too?

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

Sorry, forgot to add this:

@Richard Van
There are hundreds - probabaly thousands - of forum members here who do exactly the same as me. They scrape an article, rewrite it and then submit it. Hence the popularity of TBS and SpinnerChief. Just wondered if you would confirm please that you regard them all as thieves and robbers too?

Lets get to see you prove me wrong first. Go and get an article and show me. You admitted you have no problem with it, that you don't "take the moral high ground" my arguement is with you, as you so blazenly admitted it.

Remember what you said?....

I said first "Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing".

I stand by that, no problem.

You replied..

Oh boo-hoo so what? Sounds like you're upset because I am marketing smarter than you.

Don't try and tar all the others like you with the same brush.

Go and show me how clever you are. Find an article, prove me wrong. You challenged me, go and get someone else's article from EZA and prove me wrong.

Just one more time, the site in your signature, the speling of the keyword in the metadata is wrong.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....So now your saying that when you spin the articles they actually look the same as the original? That was my point at the beginning. So you spin something, it looks the same but EZA don't notice that?

Your inablity to comprehend the written word is frankly astounding. I have said nothing of the sort, and furthermore I am now at a loss to word it differently so that you will somehow understand.

OK let's go back to the beginning:

1. I find an article on the net.
2. I rewrite it using SpinnerChief
3. I submit it to ezine.

That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Hoever, if I do the above procedure 9 more times, then I will have submitted 10 articles to ezine. Each article will be completely different fto each other, and each article will be unique as far as ezine is concerned. Sorry, I just can't think of a way of explaining it simpler than that - although I'm sure you must be the only person reading this thread who has not yet grasped what I am saying.

Why don't you show me an example of an article you thieved and your spun version. That way I'll accept you're right.

Oh, ok then..

original: A Short History of the ThinkPad Laptop

mine: A Brief Overview of the ThinkPad Laptop

Now, please read, and ackowledge that you - and ALL of your author pals are WRONG, and I am RIGHT.

Better still as you want to challenge me when I have nothing to prove, go and get an article now, spin it live here and prove me wrong.

Not sure what you mean. How can I spin it 'live' in a non-live environment?

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....Just one more time, the site in your signature, the speling of the keyword in the metadata is wrong.

So what? You think that is going to somehow magically make you right?

Tell you what, your spelling of the word 'spelling' in the quote above is incorrect. Do you think everyone is going to stop buying from you and regard you as a second class citizen because of it? Hardly likely, so lets quit with the sniping and stay on topic.

[Justin Jordan]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Or any one of a number of things where the quality of the article is
important, then spinning your articles is a total waste of time.

Well, no.

I did an experiment a while back to see if I could make money providing articles that had a spin syntax*, and it's perfectly possible to write content that can be spun and still reads well. It's not especially hard to do this, but it was incredibly time consuming.

If course, that's a far cry from just plugging an article into a program and hoping what comes out sounds even approximately human, but spinning CAN have value for people concerned with quality, too.

*I couldn't. It took me about the same amount of time to write one of those articles as it did to write three normal articles, but I couldn't charge three times as much. It wasn't worthwhile for me.

[Justin Jordan]

Originally Posted by aj113

Sorry, forgot to add this:

@Richard Van
There are hundreds - probabaly thousands - of forum members here who do exactly the same as me. They scrape an article, rewrite it and then submit it. Hence the popularity of TBS and SpinnerChief. Just wondered if you would confirm please that you regard them all as thieves and robbers too?

They are thieves. That's not a moral high horse, that's just a fact.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

So what? You think that is going to somehow magically make you right?

Tell you what, your spelling of the word 'spelling' in the quote above is incorrect. Do you think everyone is going to stop buying from you and regard you as a second class citizen because of it? Hardly likely, so lets quit with the sniping and stay on topic.

Ok I will, It just shows you don't keep tabs on things. It's actually quite important.

Now, lets get right back on topic...

I'll now go ahead and contact Lennie Fry the unfortunate chap whose article you spun.

I'll then inform EZA that you, Adrian Jenkinson, spun his article and re submitted it.

Assuming of course Adrian Jenkinson is really you.

Then we'll see if if EZA approve of this. Because as you said, all the folks in the thread I sent you too are wrong. Let's find out.

If they do, hats off to you.

aaj113 - May need to read Justins comments too, one thinks.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....Then we'll see if if EZA approve of this. Because as you said, all the folks in thread I sent you too are wrong. Let's find out.

If they do, hats off to you.

You're missing the point. Regardless of whether ezine 'approves' officially, they have clearly accepted my rewrite and published it. So whether they 'approve' or not is irrelevant. The article is there and it is doing what it is supposed to do. Ezine has 'approved' it regardless of their official stance.

And by the way, your sidestep does not fool me, I have done what you challenged me to do, and now by your own words, you are NOW supposed to admit you were WRONG.

Find an article, prove me wrong. You challenged me, go and get someone else's article from EZA and prove me wrong.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....aaj113 - May need to read Justins comments too, one thinks.

I just wanted to hear it from you. You think they are thieves too, right?

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

You're missing the point. Regardless of whether ezine 'approves' officially, they have clearly accepted my rewrite and published it. So whether they 'approve' or not is irrelevant. The article is there and it is doing what it is supposed to do. Ezine has 'approved' it regardless of their official stance.

And by the way, your sidestep does not fool me, I have done what you challenged me to do, and now by your own words, you are NOW supposed to admit you were WRONG.

Oh no Adrian, it's very relevant, this is just the start. You said everyone was wrong. All those respected people...wrong.

Anyone can pull the wool over peoples eyes, it's a case of if one can maintain it. One needs to keep quiet to maintain it. Let me repeat your own words for you again...

No mate, I KNOW they're wrong, I do it every day. You want me to spin one of yours and get it accepted?

I've sent a message to EZA, copying in your entire post. Lets see how long it stays there first, whether or not all the respected people you said are in fact wrong and if you have an account by next week.

My recommendation is to keep your business practises to yourself in future rather than telling an entire forum.

Thieving is bad and lets just hope Lennie Fry isn't a Warrior.

Night night.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

I just wanted to hear it from you. You think they are thieves too, right?

Once again you fail to read the thread. I said earlier...twice now...

I said first "Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing".

I stand by that, no problem.

And what now?

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by aj113

You're missing the point. Regardless of whether ezine 'approves' officially, they have clearly accepted my rewrite and published it. So whether they 'approve' or not is irrelevant. The article is there and it is doing what it is supposed to do. Ezine has 'approved' it regardless of their official stance.

And by the way, your sidestep does not fool me, I have done what you challenged me to do, and now by your own words, you are NOW supposed to admit you were WRONG.

AJ, if you want to be technical about this, you're right. There are,
unfortunately, EZA editors who don't do their due diligence and check
each article for spinning, which is very easy to do with several online
tools. They are, in a word, lazy and have no business being editors.

Unfortunately, because of the way their system works, these people are
paid on volume and to crank out that volume, many take shortcuts, though
some don't.

And that is, unarguably, the risk that every author takes by submitting
spun articles to EZA should an editor go through proper procedure.

At best, you'll get the article rejected.

At worst, you'll get your account yanked, which means any articles
submitted prior to the article that is caught gets deleted from their
database and essentially disappears from the Internet...along with all
the link juice you got from them.

This is not opinion. It is fact. You are essentially playing Russian Roulette
playing this game.

I am sure you're intelligent enough to understand that these are the risks
you're taking and accept those risks going in.

As to the stealing part, technically, it is. You cannot take somebody
else's content without their permission. And if somebody wanted to make
a court case out of it, they could.

Problem is, the expense of doing so would, for most people, far outweigh
the benefits. So most people just drop it. But make no mistake about it...
there will be people who will see your article on EZA, recognize it as
their own, submit to EZA the original link (showing proof of first publishing)
and ultimately, this may get your account yanked.

It's a risky game. With over 3,000 of my own original articles online, it is
one that would be foolish for me to play as it could kill my business over
night. I get a lot of traffic from EZA and can't afford to lose it by playing
this risky game.

Again, this is not opinion...it is fact. I can send you a laundry list a mile
long of people who had their EZA accounts yanked because of spun
articles.

That's about all I have to say on the subject...and it's more than I should
have said. But people at least need to know the risk they're taking by
submitting spun articles to EZA.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

.....
.....And that is, unarguably, the risk that every author takes by submitting
spun articles to EZA should an editor go through proper procedure.

At best, you'll get the article rejected.

At worst, you'll get your account yanked, .....

And you know this exactly how Steven? You have tried it yourself? You work for ezine? Or are you repeating what others have said? I think your concern is genuine, but really there is no risk. Just open up a bunch of accounts and spread the load. Job done.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Oh no Adrian, it's very relevant, this is just the start. You said everyone was wrong. All those respected people...wrong.

Yep, wrong to say that ezine do not accept spun articles. They clearly do. I have proved it.

My recommendation is to keep your business practises to yourself in future rather than telling an entire forum. ....

Heh, I've been making a living online for many years, when I need a recommendation I'll ask for it - but no hard feelings, I don't mind giving you a few tips if you're struggling.

So go ahead - do your worst - but please keep to your word and admit you were wrong first - here on this thread, like you said you would. We wouldn't want two distrusted people on the same thread would we?

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by aj113

And you know this exactly how Steven? You have tried it yourself? You work for ezine? Or are you repeating what others have said? I think your concern is genuine, but really there is no risk. Just open up a bunch of accounts and spread the load. Job done.

That will reduce the risk, no question. Now you're facing two problems,
getting your articles rejected and being discovered having multiple accounts.

In both cases, you will lose some content. How much you gain and stay
ahead of the game depends on how lucky you are.

And no, this isn't my opinion and I don't work for EZA, though I have had
several conversations with Chris.

As I said, I could give you a laundry list of people who have suffered at
the hands of EZA because of trying to violate their TOS.

It happens. In fact, it happens often.

Ultimately, each person has to decide if the risk is worth it. I only want to
make this clear to those who are on the fence about this practice.

You, obviously, have already made up your mind and if the time were to
come when you finally lost all, or a good chunk of what you submitted to
EZA, you already accept that as the cost of doing this kind of business.

If I can get even just one person reading this thread to strongly
reconsider following your path, I've done my job.

And if not, well, I will shed no tears for anybody who loses months or
possibly years of submitted material.

And if you think I'm kidding, take a look at some of the names at EZA that
are no longer there...people who had thousands of articles submitted.

Ultimately, I don't really care what you do with your business. But if I
ever catch you scraping one of my articles (and I will check) make no
mistake about it...I will report you to EZA.

And if you think Chris will take your side over mine, you better think again.

In other words, just stay out of my neighborhood.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

Yep, wrong to say that ezine do not accept spun articles. They clearly do. I have proved it.

Heh, I've been making a living online for many years, when I need a recommendation I'll ask for it - but no hard feelings, I don't mind giving you a few tips if you're struggling.

So go ahead - do your worst - but please keep to your word and admit you were wrong first - here on this thread, like you said you would. We wouldn't want two distrusted people on the same thread would we?

Well,

I sent you a PM as I had it on hold but you clearly know more than everyone else here. It's been sent now. Your last two posts proved to me it had to go. I've found the guy you spun the article from and have sent him a message to.

I'm not wrong, you are. The problem is, even if the cold hard truth stares down at you, you'd never admit it. As for your advice, no, I think not.

It amazes me how Steven offers you advice and you vomit it back at him as though he knows nothing. Time will tell for you Adrian.

You can remain the tea leaf, I'll walk away with my head held high. Good night Adrian, it's been enormous fun talking to you. I'll always remember you.

Steven, I've already reported him for spinning Lenny Frys article here and spinning it under his own name here. Incredibly he seems to think that wins him the arguement today.

I even PM'd him to change his mind but he's adamant he's totally right. So it's been sent.

Still Adrian, I'm sure you're right. You know best where it comes to article marketing and spinning. You are a guru!

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by theemperor

It's funny there is a lot of anti-spinning sentiment on WF, but auto-blogging is adored on here. Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content.

Well, one of the major arguments, Martin.

There's also the point that auto-blogging, done correctly and ethically, isn't dishonest in its presentation and attribution of material. Actually a key distinction, I think? Spinning someone else's article is a way of purporting to acquire authorship. Auto-blogging (correctly done) isn't.

Originally Posted by theemperor

In all the debates I've seen on Warrior Forum it has never been mentioned that person X earns more than person Y and therefore person X's opinion is worth more.

Well ...

I (and others!) quite often mention, in discussions here, answering some point, that some specified question is classic of the type that has a bimodal split of opinions, in the sense that asking "people who do article marketing" will produce in response a radically different consensus of opinion from the one found by asking "people who make a good living from article marketing". I say this regularly (because it's true regularly). This is, in a sense, doing exactly what you allege has never been mentioned!

You see the point I'm making, I'm sure? I'm not trying to claim that my opinion's worth any more "because I earn more". At the same time, though, I am saying that most people earn little in this game, and when the few people who genuinely are successful tend to be in agreement on an issue, their opinion ought to carry more weight than it does "numerically". It's comparable, in a way, to the point I sometime make about affiliates, in mentioning that 10% of the affiliates make 90% of the sales while the voices heard in forum conversations tend (obviously, because there are far more of them) to be those of the other 90%.

Originally Posted by theemperor

I don't want to be made to feel as if I can't give my opinion just because I'm not the guru yet.

I'm sure nobody's suggesting that at all. (Besides which, I normally find myself in agreement with your opinions, anyway!).

Originally Posted by tee_emm

Why are some people so against Spinning if at the end of the day it helps generate site traffic?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Anything, if you do enough of it, will generate some site traffic (even if not necessarily much additional income).

A more interesting question (to me) is whether it generates enough income, compared with other potential uses of the time it takes, to be worthwhile.

Spinning undeniably fits some styles of article marketing much better than it fits others.

My own opinion is that the main style it fits is (to put it politely) a "second-best style". And I say that having experienced both.

I have never said that spinning has no possible benefits.

What I've said is that it has no worthwhile benefits for me.

I've also said that spinning other people's articles is theft, and I don't see that anyone can really question this statement.

And I've also said that what normally happens here, in discussions of spinning (though not necessarily in this thread, I do acknowledge - and I admit that I've read it all only quickly), is that the spinners usually say they're doing it "for backlinks". And that's absolutely loopy, because a backlink on a spun article is identical to a backlink on a syndicated article. People have different ways of discussing this specific point and struggling to defend their illogical positions over it, but it remains simply factual that a backlink on an article in Google's supplemental index gives your site an identical benefit to the same backlink on a spun article. I know there are people who deny that, but I can't help that: people believe all sorts of nonsense - and as we see in thread after thread after thread, many people simply believe in a "duplicate content penalty" that doesn't exist. And yes, that issue is actually very closely related to the one we're discussing.

In summary, to me, there's a practical issue here and an ethical one. The practical one is that spinning is of no benefit to me, and the ethical (and maybe even legal?) one is that spinning other people's articles is stealing them. This last point is simply black and white.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

....... How much you gain and stay
ahead of the game depends on how lucky you are........

Well, no it depends on how good you are at what you are doing. Luck doesn't come in to it.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....I'm not wrong, you are. ....

Nope, you are. You said:

Go and show me how clever you are. Find an article, prove me wrong. You challenged me, go and get someone else's article from EZA and prove me wrong.

I have done that, and proved you wrong. Now are you man enough to admit it?

[DireStraits]

Oh dear - what a kerfuffle, LOL.

I'm staying out of this, except to give notice of my staying out of it. Probably for the best, too, since I'm half smashed. Well, it is (or was) Saturday.

Only thing a-spinnin' here are the walls around me.

Night all.