Free Article Spinners

[Jayzee]

I've found some great spinner, which can help you make good quality articles in few minutes. They're free, so why not give it a try?

spinnerchief

myarticlegenerator

spinprofit

Jetspinner

It is a great way to increase making money with article marketing. I hope you find them useful.

Jayzee

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by Jayzee

I've found some great spinner, which can help you make good quality articles in few minutes. They're free, so why not give it a try?

spinnerchief

myarticlegenerator

spinprofit

It is a great way to increase making money with article marketing. I hope you find them useful.

Jayzee

Sorry Jayzee but you will attract some negative (and no doubt positive) feedback with this thread.

Although many use spinners, there are many people that like to be original and market leaders and thus create their own unique content.

I think this boils down to whether you want backlinks only or whether you want to use article marketing for the full benefits it can achieve for you.

[Jayzee]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Sorry Jayzee but you will attract some negative (and no doubt positive) feedback with this thread.

Although many use spinners, there are many people that like to be original and market leaders and thus create their own unique content.

I think this boils down to whether you want backlinks only or whether you want to use article marketing for the full benefits it can achieve for you.

Thanx for the suggestion. I'm not saying they're the best spinners, but they will work good if you want to write some fast articles or to gather some information. If you want me to delete this thread please tell. I'll be honored

Jayzee

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by Jayzee

Thanx for the suggestion. I'm not saying they're the best spinners, but they will work good if you want to write some fast articles or to gather some information. If you want me to delete this thread please tell. I'll be honored

Jayzee

No, I'm not saying you should delete the thread, nor am I in any position to do so.

I'm just saying I personally don't like using spinners. Thats not to say I'm right either, it's just my opinion.

I'd just rather be original and use articles for their full benefit.

[Online Passive Incomes]

I'm with Mr Richard Van on this one.

Although many people that come to me are looking for these sorts of things, I have never seen the need for them. I want everyone out there to know that all these words I pump out into cyberspace are mine.

Having said that, many that follow me would love this information so I will investigate. I'll let you know what the majority of people think about them.

So far, I know for a fact that two favorites are 'The best article spinner' and the old fashioned 'UAW'.. Both cost something. I'll ask those in the know and let you know what they know.. Ya know?

[Bane]

I've never understood why people enter threads about something they don't use then proceed to tell people why they shouldn't use it... makes my head spin.

While none of these are amazing in their own right, I've had some success with SpinnerChief in the past.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by Bane

I've never understood why people enter threads about something they don't use then proceed to tell people why they shouldn't use it... makes my head spin.

While none of these are amazing in their own right, I've had some success with SpinnerChief in the past.

Thats great for you. As I said I wasn't saying don't use it I merely stated an opinion as you are, that I don't like using them.

Fairly straight forward really. Re-read what you wrote, the OP started a thread about why you should use it

[Jayzee]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Thats great for you. As I said I wasn't saying don't use it I merely stated an opinion as you are, that I don't like using them.

Fairly straight forward really. Re-read what you wrote, the OP started a thread about why you should use it

You're right, but think of the article sites which pay you for writing articles. What if you want to make money from them? You'll definitely think about spinners right?

[ArticleGrinder]

Does using software to spin your articles really create a better effect than manually respinning them? I've read so many spun articles and although they pass copyscape, sometimes the articles just don't make any sense. I'm just to used to manually spinning my articles by rewriting each paragraph....

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Bane

I've never understood why people enter threads about something they don't use then proceed to tell people why they shouldn't use it...

Let's see if we can explain it to you, then, Bane, so that maybe you'll understand it in future.

It's normally because people who are not using some particular item or technique have previously used it, have first-hand experience of its downsides, have found something better, more profitable and productive (perhaps a different approach, perhaps a different item, perhaps a different technique) and have potentially useful information to offer on the subject.

That's one of the most useful functions of a forum like this.

It's a very similar position to what happens when someone posts asking for information about a specific product/service. There are replies from people selling/promoting it, and they have information for sure (as well as sometimes an obvious incentive for their views), but there can also be replies from people who've tried it, abandoned it, and found something better/different. Their views about the subject-matter tend not to be incentivised, and they can therefore be well worth listening to.

Clearer now?

[johnlagoudakis]

I like Jetspinner. It's free and it works


John

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by Jayzee

You're right, but think of the article sites which pay you for writing articles. What if you want to make money from them? You'll definitely think about spinners right?

Wrong.

Article sites that pay you for writing articles? You mean one of two things.

1) You write for other people. Why would they pay for a spun article?

2) Article directories. My main point, I would rather submit decent unique articles that other people use, with my link in it, to make me more money.

Like I said, use spinners all you like. I make good money online and don't use spinners. Alexa makes a fortune online and she doesn't either.

You can do whatever you like, I'm just giving you my opinion and the opinion of a lot of other people that earn a living online.

[profitsforall]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Let's see if we can explain it to you, then, Bane, so that maybe you'll understand it in future.

It's normally because people who are not using some particular item or technique have previously used it, have first-hand experience of its downsides, have found something better, more profitable and productive (perhaps a different approach, perhaps a different item, perhaps a different technique) and have potentially useful information to offer on the subject.

That's one of the most useful functions of a forum like this.

Of course there are also those that drive by threads, giving advice on something they have had no practical experience of, but just hate something because someone else told them it was bad. (just mention autoblogging and you'll see what i mean).

I'm not saying that that happened in this thread.

I think there are very few legitimate uses of spun content, but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists in the way a lot of people describe as being set in stone.

You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand (I know because i've done it to get articles published on seolinkvine - it's just most won't take the time to do so - and if you don't believe in the duplicate content myth why would you anyway? (othe than my own example reason of course )

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by profitsforall

Of course there are also those that drive by threads, giving advice on something they have had no practical experience of, but just hate something because someone else told them it was bad. (just mention autoblogging and you'll see what i mean).

I'm not saying that that happened in this thread.

I think there are very few legitimate uses of spun content, but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists in the way a lot of people describe as being set in stone.

You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand (I know because i've done it to get articles published on seolinkvine - it's just most won't take the time to do so - and if you don't believe in the duplicate content myth why would you anyway? (othe than my own example reason of course )

Duplicate content is when you duplicate something on your own site or when a site has the same content repeated. What you say doesn't make sense...

but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists in the way a lot of people describe as being set in stone

If you don't believe in your version of the infamous and rather tiring subject of duplicate content you may as well submit one article over and over to the same directory. You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really.

Most won't take the time to spin an article?

No, most won't take the time to write an original one themselves or pay someone to do so for them.

[theemperor]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's normally because people who are not using some particular item or technique have previously used it, have first-hand experience of its downsides, have found something better, more profitable and productive (perhaps a different approach, perhaps a different item, perhaps a different technique) and have potentially useful information to offer on the subject.

I'd like to think this is the case Alexa.

However I often see that opinions on certain topics become like religion to people and they don't want to consider another point of view, and just butt in a load of threads to spread their view that you shouldn't do spinning or this or that.

It's funny there is a lot of anti-spinning sentiment on WF, but auto-blogging is adored on here. Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content. I think opinion comes in waves and spinning is a bit 'last season' but fortunately ... it does have a lot of benefit and can be used in tandem with other techniques.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by theemperor

I'd like to think this is the case Alexa.

However I often see that opinions on certain topics become like religion to people and they don't want to consider another point of view, and just butt in a load of threads to spread their view that you shouldn't do spinning or this or that.

It's funny there is a lot of anti-spinning sentiment on WF, but auto-blogging is adored on here. Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content. I think opinion comes in waves and spinning is a bit 'last season' but fortunately ... it does have a lot of benefit and can be used in tandem with other techniques.

Hello theemporer,

I think the point here is that in a previous thread you said you earn around $600 a month. Alexa, on the other hand, makes $10,000 a month, on autopliot, from the 1000 articles she has personally written.

I'd say she knows what she's talking about.

[theemperor]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Hello theemporer,

I think the point here is that in a previous thread you said you earn around $600 a month. Alexa, on the other hand, makes $10,000 a month, on autopliot, from the 1000 articles she has personally written.

I'd say she knows what she's talking about.

Yes she does know what she is talking about, I never said she didn't.

But I don't get personal about what people earn. That's a horrendous attitude T.B.H. . So you are saying that the more you earn, the more valid your opinion is on anything?

And I never said what I earned from non-IM activities... but I have no need to boast.

And the point I made is still perfectly valid. Alexa says that some people want to give advice - fine. I also think that there are many people on forums that are religious in their views but won't accept facts presented to them. This is how a lot of myths spread around.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by theemperor

Yes she does know what she is talking about, I never said she didn't.

But I don't get personal about what people earn. That's a horrendous attitude T.B.H.

And I never said what I earned from non-IM activities... but I have no need to boast.

And the point I made is still perfectly valid. Alexa says that some people want to give advice - fine. I also think that there are many people on forums that are religious in their views but won't accept facts presented to them. This is how a lot of myths spread around.

There was nothing personal in what I said.

You are disagreeing with her on something she is a very respected figure on and I was using the point of earnings to say perhaps her view carries more weight than you.

There is nothing wrong with taking any view you like in life and to be frank I think compared to most, your IM endevours are going extremely well. $600 is a very nice sum to have each month. I never said thats all you earned but you did say thats what you earned though IM. You could be a lottery winner for all I know. My apologies you find my attitude horrendous.

So you are saying that the more you earn, the more valid your opinion is on anything?

Not at all. Lets look at it from a non monetary point of view. She has written over 1000 articles. Have you? I'm just asking because maybe you have.

[profitsforall]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Duplicate content is when you duplicate something on your own site or when a site has the same content repeated. What you say doesn't make sense...



If you don't believe in your version of the infamous and rather tiring subject of duplicate content you may as well submit one article over and over to the same directory. You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really.

Most won't take the time to spin an article?

No, most won't take the time to write an original one themselves or pay someone to do so for them.

Actually - what i said makes perfect sense, when you realise that I am referring to the incorrect interpretation of the duplicate content penalty - namely that content that is the same across multiple domains is duplicate and will be penalised. (which makes a mockery of article syndication.

To clarify - i don't believe you can submit the same article over and over to the same directory, but i do believe you can submit the same article to many different directories with no spinning (so long as that is within the TOS of the directory).

"You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really."

So you can see i didn't actually contradict myself. i mentioned that i spun content for distribution on SEOLinkVine. It doesn't matter whether or not i believe in the incorrect version of the duplicate content penalty - it just matters that those receiving content from SEOLinkVine do - and require you to spin articles.

So i took my own original hand written article - and spun it.
I could have used the suggestions made and left it at that but if i am going to distribute an article and there is the slightest chance it will be read by a human and potentially result in a visit then i want to make sure it makes sense.

[theemperor]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

There was nothing personal in what I said.

You are disagreeing with her on something she is a very respected figure on and I was using the point of earnings to say perhaps her view carries more weight than you.

There is nothing wrong with taking any view you like in life and to be frank I think compared to most, your IM endevours are going extremely well. $600 is a very nice sum to have each month. I never said thats all you earned but you did say thats what you earned though IM. You could be a lottery winner for all I know. My apologies you find my attitude horrendous.

That's my point - I find your argument very strange!

In all the debates I've seen on Warrior Forum it has never been mentioned that person X earns more than person Y and therefore person X's opinion is worth more.

I hope that doesn't become a trend because I love the WF as a place to learn and work towards bigger goals. But I don't want to be made to feel as if I can't give my opinion just because I'm not the guru yet.

[Paleochora]

An intelligent person should be able to use a good spinner and spin articles intelligently.

If the software is used properly then the results will be as good, readable and informative as the source article. The information can then be distributed with the advantage that the exact same content is not being posted on a blog, lenses, hubs and several article sites.

I don't really care if some people don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they believe them to be the work of the devil and feel the need to preach about it at every given opportunity.

Actually, neither do I care if people use them badly and produce rubbish.

It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by profitsforall

Actually - what i said makes perfect sense, when you realise that I am referring to the incorrect interpretation of the duplicate content penalty - namely that content that is the same across multiple domains is duplicate and will be penalised. (which makes a mockery of article syndication.

To clarify - i don't believe you can submit the same article over and over to the same directory, but i do believe you can submit the same article to many different directories with no spinning (so long as that is within the TOS of the directory).

"You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really."

So you can see i didn't actually contradict myself. i mentioned that i spun content for distribution on SEOLinkVine. It doesn't matter whether or not i believe in the incorrect version of the duplicate content penalty - it just matters that those receiving content from SEOLinkVine do - and require you to spin articles.

So i took my own original hand written article - and spun it.
I could have used the suggestions made and left it at that but if i am going to distribute an article and there is the slightest chance it will be read by a human and potentially result in a visit then i want to make sure it makes sense.

So you spin it and all spun articles make sense?

I think there are very few legitimate uses of spun content, but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists

Let me explain what you say here...of all the uses of spun content it all boils down to bypassing a myth that doesn't exist. So why do it? That is a contradiction.

You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand

Indistinguishable? So you have a spinner that makes the article 100% unique?

You don't see how creating lots of original and different articles can possibly be better than lots of spun versions of the same article?

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by theemperor

That's my point - I find your argument very strange!

In all the debates I've seen on Warrior Forum it has never been mentioned that person X earns more than person Y and therefore person X's opinion is worth more.

I hope that doesn't become a trend because I love the WF as a place to learn and work towards bigger goals. But I don't want to be made to feel as if I can't give my opinion just because I'm not the guru yet.

And I apologised for that. That wasn't my point, I also mentioned she'd written 1000 articles but we seem to be bypassing that point.

Like I said I think you are doing very well. I happen to value your opinion. I also couldn't care less what you earn, it doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to you.

I should have said, she is an extremely experienced and respected article marketer. You are not. Therefore her arguement, when it comes to article marketing, may carry more weight than yours.

Once again I apologise for upsetting you. That wasn't my intention.

[theemperor]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

And I apologised for that. That wasn't my point, I also mentioned she'd written 1000 articles but we seem to be bypassing that point.

Like I said I think you are doing very well. I happen to value your opinion. I also couldn't care less what you earn, it doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to you.

I should have said, she is an extremely experienced and respected article marketer. You are not. Therefore her arguement, when it comes to article marketing, may carry more weight than yours.

Once again I apologise for upsetting you. That wasn't my intention.

Hi OK thanks I accept the apology and I probably took it too personally. So I apologise for that.

I may come across as disagreeing with Alexa like she is "wrong" but that wasn't my intention, I was just giving a different point of view and I don't think she is wrong in what she said. My post was more a follow up to what she said than a direct head-on argument.

Actually I have suggested to people in the past they should do a warrior forum search on her name for some good tips on article marketing. I might mention that on my blog soon.

If she has written 1000 articles then that is amazing. She has written more words to date than I will probably write in my entire lifetime .

[Richard Van]

Fair play. You're a good sport. I genuinely didn't mean it to come across as it did. I do regret using that particular thing as a point of comparison.

If she has written 1000 articles then that is amazing. She has written more words to date than I will probably write in my entire lifetime .

Yes, same here!

[profitsforall]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

So you spin it and all spun articles make sense?

Let me explain what you say here...of all the uses of spun content it all boils down to bypassing a myth that doesn't exist. So why do it? That is a contradiction.

Indistinguishable? So you have a spinner that makes the article 100% unique?

You don't see how creating lots of original and different articles can possibly be better than lots of spun versions of the same article?

*Sigh*
I will repeat this for you. I believe there is a duplicate content filter that affects you if you put the same piece of content on your site more than once. I also believe there is a duplicate content myth - that if you have the same piece of content on multiple sites across the internet you will be penalized. I don't believe the myth version.


Now with that understanding - If enough people believe the myth, then to make use of some promotional services you need to provide spun content.
I'm talking about services like SEOLinkvine, UAW etc. It doesn't matter that i know it's a myth if i want my article promoted by that service i have to provide a spun article - and this is the reason i will spin something.

Am i mad to want to use another method of promotion in addition to unique articles. Or is it just smart to want to do both? One might be more effective than the other - but the two together are even better

I also never said i had a spinner that made something 100% unique. I said I could spin an article so that a reader of any particular version would be unaware that it was spun, unlike the vast majority of spun content.
Just because the software suggests alternative words doesn't mean you should use them. I used the same writing skills that i write articles with to write alternative phrases, sentences, etc

"You don't see how creating lots of original and different articles can possibly be better than lots of spun versions of the same article?"

Of course i do - it's pretty obvious, but do you not understand the simple fact that if i want to make use of certain promotional services I need to also produce content that is spun. And that making use of both might actually be more effective than using one - whichever one that may be.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....I'm just saying I personally don't like using spinners. .....

Ummm...no, you're saying this:

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....I think this boils down to whether you want backlinks only or whether you want to use article marketing for the full benefits it can achieve for you...

You seem to be saying that spinning software is only useful for gaining backlinks (presumably due to perceived low quality) - in fact it is perfectly possible to rewrite existing material using software and get the 'full benefits', just the same as writing an article from scratch.

[Paleochora]

Originally Posted by Paleochora

An intelligent person should be able to use a good spinner and spin articles intelligently.

If the software is used properly then the results will be as good, readable and informative as the source article. The information can then be distributed with the advantage that the exact same content is not being posted on a blog, lenses, hubs and several article sites.

I don't really care if some people don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they believe them to be the work of the devil and feel the need to preach about it at every given opportunity.

Actually, neither do I care if people use them badly and produce rubbish.

It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.

Any sensible individual should be able to use a decent article spinner and spin content sensibly.

Providing the software is put to use properly then the final results are going to be as good, understandable and interesting as the original article. The information may then be published with the benefit that completely identical material isn't getting put up on a blog site, a Squidoo lens, Hubpages as well as numerous article directories.

I don't really care if a few writers don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they consider them to be the work of Satan and wish to spout forth about it at any given chance.

In fact, neither do I care if individuals use them badly and generate garbage.

It's my opinion that virtually any tool of this type which is user-driven will merely produce a quality of result in direct proportion to the level of attention the individual provides in operating it.

Done in about 30 seconds with SpinnerChief.

The point being that its fast and easy. Not as fast and easy as outsourcing but a whole lot cheaper.

Of all the arguements against article spinning, this onne is the most baffling:

Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content.

Exactly why people use them. Forget whether duplicate content penalties actually exist or not. I just feel better having, say, 20 different articles all making the same point rather than the same 20 articles out there.

Reading through this post, I actually prefer the spun version, lol

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Wrong.

Article sites that pay you for writing articles? You mean one of two things.

1) You write for other people. Why would they pay for a spun article?
.....

Be careful with that 'wrong' - you may need to retract it.

Yes, there are article sites that pay you for writing articles - such as Asociated Content. It is a relatively simple task to produce a quality article that is spun from an existent article, then submit it to AC and get paid for it.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

.....2) Article directories. My main point, I would rather submit decent unique articles that other people use, with my link in it, to make me more money.......

So would most people, but you can create 'decent unique articles' by using a good quality spinner, in about 10% of the time it takes to write one yourself. Which means that for every 'decent unique article' you subnit to ezine, I can submit 10. Which method do you think will make the most money?

[profitsforall]

hehe - I feel real dumb.

I was reading your post - and thought, Jeez why is this guy saying pretty much the same thing as the previous guy.

Then read the fact you had spun the previous post.

Doh!!!!

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Paleochora

An intelligent person should be able to use a good spinner and spin articles intelligently.

If the software is used properly then the results will be as good, readable and informative as the source article. The information can then be distributed with the advantage that the exact same content is not being posted on a blog, lenses, hubs and several article sites.

I don't really care if some people don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they believe them to be the work of the devil and feel the need to preach about it at every given opportunity.

Actually, neither do I care if people use them badly and produce rubbish.

It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.

An intelligent man or woman will be able to make use of a very good article spinner and rewrite content wisely.
When the software program is employed appropriately then your final results will probably be of the same quality, legible and enlightening as the source article. The details can then be dispersed with the benefit that the identical content material isn't being published on a weblog, lenses, hubs as well as some article websites.
I do not actually care if some individuals can't stand the idea of an article rewriter or that they consider them to be the work of satan and desire to preach about this at each and every given chance.
Essentially, nor do I care if folks use them poorly and generate garbage.
It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.

Just to underline a point - also spun with SpinnerChief - in about 2 minutes. Maybe I should submit it to AC? lol.

[Richard Van]

Well it looks like I'll have to respectfully bow out of this one. Spinning clearly works for you guys otherwise you wouldn't be argueing so strongly for it. I will happily accept that.

I make a very nice sum of money online without spinning, you all clearly do the same with spinning.

My only point left to make is for profitsforall. In your earlier post you said the following...

You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand (I know because i've done it to get articles published on seolinkvine

I'd like to draw your attention to the word indistinguishable. I feel it's quite important because when Paleochora spun his comment, even with the 2 sitting in the same post you replied with this...

hehe - I feel real dumb.

I was reading your post - and thought, Jeez why is this guy saying pretty much the same thing as the previous guy.

Then read the fact you had spun the previous post.

So you had to actually read that it had been spun, they were so similar to you. I feel, perhaps you have the words indistinguishable and almost identical mixed up.

With that I will gracefully accept your arguements, wish you all the very best for the future and a very Merry Christmas.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

.....I'd like to draw your attention to the word indistinguishable. I feel it's quite important because when Paleochora spun his comment, even with the 2 sitting in the same post you replied with this...

He said indistinguishable from ANY article, not "unique from the original article". He means that the spun article is indistinguishable from a hand written one in terms of quality and style. That's pretty obvious really - unless you quote him out of context

[tee_emm]

Why are some people so against Spinning if at the end of the day it helps generate site traffic?

[aj113]

Originally Posted by tee_emm

Why are some people so against Spinning if at the end of the day it helps generate site traffic?

Agreed - there's only one rule on my computer - if it helps to make money, it's a good thing.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

He said indistinguishable from ANY article, not "unique from the original article". He means that the spun article is indistinguishable from a hand written one in terms of quality and style. That's pretty obvious really - unless you quote him out of context

Oh thats what he meant, silly me.

So he spun an article and it didn't look like any other article in the world but it did look almost identical to the one he'd spun. I can see why he'd make that an important point. I'd imagine the original article he wrote also didn't look like any other article as well.

I see now.

Thanks for clearing that up for me and educating me in many ways today. I will consider changing how I run things from now on.

[profitsforall]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Well it looks like I'll have to respectfully bow out of this one. Spinning clearly works for you guys otherwise you wouldn't be argueing so strongly for it. I will happily accept that.

Firstly - I was never arguing for it - I was stating the reasons why i have to do it, even though i don't think there is a valid reason that anyone should have to but you appear to have spent so much time trying to score points that you choose to ignore that fact.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

My only point left to make is for profitsforall. In your earlier post you said the following...

I'd like to draw your attention to the word indistinguishable. I feel it's quite important because when Paleochora spun his comment, even with the 2 sitting in the same post you replied with this...

Great. Take my comment and use it out of context with something posted later on. To clarify for you yet again, when i used the word indistinguishable I meant that if you showed someone an article that was written without spinning, and showed them another article that i had spun - not from the same source material they would not be able to tell which one had been spun.

You did have a valid point on the Paleochora post though - I hold my hands up to that one - i skimmed the thread a bit and didn't read the author of the quoted section. So we proved that two spun versions of something when looked at side by side will never fool anyone - but given that the spun versions are generally posted to separate sites that will rarely happen.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

With that I will gracefully accept your arguements, wish you all the very best for the future and a very Merry Christmas.

And i wish you the same.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Oh thats what he meant, silly me.

So he spun an article and it didn't look like any other article in the world but it did look almost identical to the one he'd spun. I can see why he'd make that an important point. I'd imagine the original article he wrote also didn't look like any other article as well.

I see now.

Thanks for clearing that up for me and educating me in many ways today. I will consider changing how I run things from now on.

WTF is wrong with you man? The guy is saying that the quality of his spun articles is indistinguishable from his non-spun articles in terms of quality. i.e. they are human-readable. Why are you trying to make it sound as though he has said something else?

[Richard Van]

aj113 - So would most people, but you can create 'decent unique articles' by using a good quality spinner, in about 10% of the time it takes to write one yourself. Which means that for every 'decent unique article' you subnit to ezine, I can submit 10. Which method do you think will make the most money?

aj113 - WTF is wrong with you man?

There's nothing effing wrong with me man. It would be nice also, if like myself and profitsforall, who have settled our differences and are now friends if you could refrain from being rude and abusive, its very easy to be like that when you sit behind your computer. Anyway I won't stoop to that level...

The problem I've had throughout these years is with pulling the wool, so to speak, over the respected article directories eyes, such as EZA. I accept for AC and SEOlinkvine this is may be a good thing to do. I also accept that a spun article done properly does not look like a spun article. I also accept I mistakenly took profitsforall out of context, though not intentionally as you made such a point of accusing me of when you asked me WTF was wrong with me.

Ok, so thats that bit cleared up. But, in your above quote you say you...

"for every 'decent unique article' you subnit to ezine, I can submit 10".

I assume you mean one of two things and I'm very wary of making myself look like there's something wrong with me if I don't cover every base... So either you mean for every one I submit to EZA you submit one of your spun articles to 9 other directories. If thats the case, I will simply submit the same article to all 10 directories. This is not duplicate content, thats when you put the same article on one site more than once, this is a totally different arguement you can take up with the people below...

OR you mean you submit all your spun versions to EZA, in which case...

and again I'm not starting an arguement again, because you might think there's something wrong with me for doing so but don't you think the people at EZA might spot the similarities in all ten of your articles like profitsforall did with the spun comment in this thread? This is a genuine question. If you feel you can do this I'm interested in doing so. I assume you'll come back and say you spend a bit of time changeing the spun version round so all 10 look totally different, well, not totally. My point is by the time you've made 10, spun, very similar articles, look totally different, I'd have written another 9 articles anyway.

I'd also like you take a look at this thread and go and tell Steven Wagenheim, Rosetrees, Alexa Smith, Dogscout, John McCabe and precious007, all very respected article marketers and Internet marketing experts of considerable note, who all say EZA is a bit stricter than what you do. The title of the thread is "Does ezinearticles take spun articles?"

Which method do you think will make the most money?

I think you need to take that up with the likes of the people in the above thread "Does EZA take spun content". What method do I think will make more money? I don't care, whats more to the point is I outsource nearly all of it, so when you're spinning, I'm getting an experienced article marketer to write mine. I've been doing this for 7 years, I have over 60 niche sites across many many niches, that do me very well, I own the largest, well second largest (for now), Ecommerce envelope company in the UK.

But what do I know, there's something wrong with me anyway.

[inter123]

Hi.

I posted this question before but got lost during peak time posting.

From an SEO perspective, what is the purpose of using spinning software if there are directories out there willing to accept previously published content? Why not just take your article already published on Ezine and submit it elsewhere? Is it a case that search engines are more likely to index if it appears origional?

Cheers.

Jim.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....... So either you mean for every one I submit to EZA you submit one of your spun articles to 9 other directories. ....
OR you mean you submit all your spun versions to EZA, in which case.........

Neither. You missed the bit where I said it takes me 10% of the time to rewrite an article compared to you writing a new one. So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.

Simply choose your article, (yes from ezine itself if you want), rewrite it, and submit it. Job done in 5-10 minutes using SpinnerChief's reciprocal super replace system. (and SpinnerChief will even submit the article(s) for you).

So I ask again. What is going to make more money, one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?

Check this out - posted only today from the SC support forum:

This software is ridiculously good! Reciprocal super replace is an absolute godsend, I would always put off spinning my articles for ages because it would take me so long to go through and make sure it's all readable. The entire process now takes me less than 10 minutes!
Why the hell everyone isn't on Spinnerchief yet, I have NO idea. It is the VLC media player of spinners! Thanks guys, I hope you keep it free.

[ann1986]

We use TBS and it works like charm.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by inter123

Hi.

I posted this question before but got lost during peak time posting.

From an SEO perspective, what is the purpose of using spinning software if there are directories out there willing to accept previously published content? Why not just take your article already published on Ezine and submit it elsewhere? Is it a case that search engines are more likely to index if it appears origional?

Cheers.

Jim.

The directories that take previously published material are not necessarily the best ones, so you will not necessarily get the best traffic or the best quality backlinks if you use these directories.

Having said that, the directories that accept previously published material will drive as much traffic as unique material will. But your backlink could be weak and the article itself will probably be relegated to supplemental results in the SERPS.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

Neither. You missed the bit where I said it takes me 10% of the time to rewrite an article compared to you writing a new one. So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.

Simply choose your article, (yes from ezine itself if you want), rewrite it, and submit it. Job done in 5-10 minutes using SpinnerChief's reciprocal super replace system. (and SpinnerChief will even submit the article(s) for you).

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

So I get an article accepted at EZA. You pop along and spin my aricle for your benefit. You don't even write the original or at least you think it's fine not to. Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing. You take someones else's hard work, remove the bio link and spin it and re submit it to the same directory multiple times. How ingenious of you. How you decide to make your money is up to you.

As I pointed you to that other thread, you clearly think the accomplished article writers are all wrong, they all say EZA don't accept spun content. You do think they're wrong don't you? You did read the thread didn't you? But you say "one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?" So clearly, in your opinion, they are wrong, you can submit 10 spun articles to EZA? I shall PM some of them I know well and ask them to clarify your opinion on the matter. One spun version I'm sure you can get away with but you're using the same software that spun it to submit it to EZA. So ten spun articles of the original in one go, or drip fed? EZA must be easy to get into nowadays.

As to your silly question, what makes the most money? One article on EZA or your 10 spun versions. That depends on many factors, including how many people have put my article on their high traffic site, which article actually ranks and of course the main point, whether or not EZA realise you stole my article and spun it 10 times.

It's a ridiculous question.

I pay a highly sought after article marketer to write highly skilled and persuasive articles that people regularly use on their sites and make me money. You pick any old article and spin it. Also I don't care if your method makes more money, for me it doesn't fit in with my business model. As for the testamonial, forget it. Biggest hyped up testamonial I've ever seen.

Finally you say...

So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.

Never said they were duplicates, already said that. Now who's quoting people out of context.

Also what is so different between the three versions of the comments already spun in this thread, that one person here thought was the same comment. Hardly "completely different". Even if you have to mess about to make them so different, I'm sitting around whilst someone does all this for me.

But why do want to hear what I'm saying anyway? What do I know?

You do what you want, because I couldn't care less. I'll do what I want.

[clayhilda55]

I think it is better that you rewrite your articles on your own words. If you have a little budget, hire an article rewriter.

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....So I get an article accepted at EZA. You pop along and spin my aricle for your benefit.

Correct.

You don't even write the original or at least you think it's fine not to.

Correct

Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing.

Oh boo-hoo so what? Sounds like you're upset because I am marketing smarter than you.

You take someones else's hard work, remove the bio link and spin it and re submit it to the same directory multiple times.

Nope I submit it once. You are making it up mate.

As I pointed you to that other thread, you clearly think the accomplished article writers are all wrong, they all say EZA don't accept spun content. You do think they're wrong don't you?

No mate, I KNOW they're wrong, I do it every day. You want me to spin one of yours and get it accepted?

You did read the thread didn't you?

A link would be useful.

But you say "one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?" So clearly, in your opinion, they are wrong, you can submit 10 spun articles to EZA? I shall PM some of them I know well and ask them to clarify your opinion on the matter. One spun version I'm sure you can get away with but you're using the same software that spun it to submit it to EZA. So ten spun articles of the original in one go, or drip fed? EZA must be easy to get into nowadays.

You still don't get it mate. I am not talking about spinning the same arfticle ten times, I'm talking about taking 10 different articles and spinning each one once. Got it? 10 different, unique articles all submitted to ezine in the time it takes you to do one. That's pretty cool.

As to your silly question, what makes the most money?

Yeah sorry about that, it was in respionse to this silly statement:

I make a very nice sum of money online without spinning

One article on EZA or your 10 spun versions. That depends on many factors, including how many people have put my article on their high traffic site, which article actually ranks and of course the main point, whether or not EZA realise you stole my article and spun it 10 times.

It's like you are deliberately misconstruing my words to make your own point - a straw man. Nowhere at any point have I said that I spin 10 versions of the same article.

It's a ridiculous question.

Yep, it sure is, I was trying to highlight the ridiculous statement that prompted it - but I guess it was too subtle.

I pay a highly sought after article marketer to write highly skilled and persuasive articles that people regularly use on their sites and make me money. You pick any old article and spin it.

OH really? And how do you know on what basis I choose articles?

Also I don't care if your method makes more money, for me it doesn't fit in with my business model.

Fine - my business model is 'make as much money as you can'

As for the testamonial, forget it. Biggest hyped up testamonial I've ever seen.

There's no need to hype up a testimonal, there's a couple of hundred others on there if you want to take a look, many of them from members of this forum.

Finally you say...

Never said they were duplicates, already said that. Now who's quoting people out of context.

Also what is so different between the three versions of the comments already spun in this thread, that one person here thought was the same comment. Hardly "completely different".

Oh dear, deliberately missing the point again. When I say 'completely different' I mean 'completely different' - not 'spun to make it unique'. For someone who makes so much money you seem to have a significant understanding difficulty.

But why do want to hear what I'm saying anyway? What do I know?

Demonstrably little - unless you're deliberately trolling this thread.

So just to ensure that there can be no misunderstanding, it goes like this:

I search for a suitable article - rewrite it - submit it.
Then I serach for another article - rewrite it - submit that one.
Then another etc until I have rewritten and submitted 10 articles.

Ten DIFFERENT articles searched, scraped, rewritten, re-submitted in the time it takes you to do one. Got that?

[aj113]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

..... Even if you have to mess about to make them so different, I'm sitting around whilst someone does all this for me......

What a condesecending attitude. I have so many people working for me that I support an entire village in Bangladesh but I don't use that fact to try prove how fantastic I am.

[Richard Van]

Correct.

Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.

Correct

Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.

Oh boo-hoo so what? Sounds like you're upset because I am marketing smarter than you.

Upset? Not at all. I just think you're a thief. Smarter than me? Absolutely not. Better marketer, Prove it.

No mate, I KNOW they're wrong, I do it every day. You want me to spin one of yours and get it accepted?

So they're (all the top article marketers in the thread you haven't even bothered to look at) wrong and thats why you hide behind your name. You have no idea what you're talking about and I am not your mate. As for my articles, I wish you a huge amount of luck.

A link would be useful.

It's in the thread, shows how much you don't read the thread. Have another looky.

It's like you are deliberately misconstruing my words to make your own point - a straw man. Nowhere at any point have I said that I spin 10 versions of the same article.

Wrong again. Re read what one writes or has one forgot. You have no idea what you are writing.

I am not talking about spinning the same arfticle ten times, I'm talking about taking 10 different articles and spinning each one once

So why did you say this...

So I ask again. What is going to make more money, one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?

How do you put 1 and 10 in the same sentence when you spin one article once?

The problem here is not me miscontruing words it's your inability to get your message across clearly with words. No doubt why you do as you do. Clarify which one you're argueing for now. You take my article and spin it once or ten times? You did write both with your own hands? Hmmm.

I search for a suitable article - rewrite it - submit it.
Then I serach for another article - rewrite it - submit that one.
Then another etc until I have rewritten and submitted 10 articles

I get it. You steal ten different articles, rewrite or spin? then submit. That makes you the better marketer? Absolute utter nonsense. You steal I don't. That does NOT make you a better marketer. It makes you a very uningenious person piggy backing off the better marketer.

I create my own articles by getting someone that knows what they're doing and you come along, steal it and spin it. It has amateur written all over it.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by aj113

What a condesecending attitude. I have so many people working for me that I support an entire village in Bangladesh but I don't use that fact to try prove how fantastic I am.

Seriously. You even bring in rubbish like that and have to double post to get your point across. Nonsense. Complete nonsense.

Pretty condescending attitude with that statement to. Incredible.

EDIT. You say you don't need to bring in the fact you support an entire Bangladeshi village to prove how fantastic you are - Well you just did didn't you?

Heres the link again for all the people you know are wrong. HERE IT IS

Also, don't accuse me of trolling. I've been argueing my point as you have. Thats the standard retort of someone that can't argue his/her point properly. I suggest you look up what trolling actually is.

[Steven Wagenheim]

God knows why I'm letting myself get sucked into this but folks, here's the
deal.

All depends on what you want to get out of your articles.

If your goal is to have somebody come to your MFA site, read what's there
and scream, "Bloody hell, please get me the heck out of here" and get them
to click on your Adsense or CPA ad, then by all means, spin the crap out of
it. The worse the article, the better.

However, if your goal is to:

1. Establish yourself as an authority on a subject
2. Submit to directories that value quality and don't accept spun articles
3. Create reports out of your articles that are actually meaningful

Or any one of a number of things where the quality of the article is
important, then spinning your articles is a total waste of time.

Backlinks? I suppose a ton of crap articles can get you plenty of those
if you submit to enough garbage directories. Oh, and don't forget to use
an article submitter as well. If you want a good service, at least use
something like Isnare, though there are some cheap submitters out there
that will essentially do the job, submitting to tons of garbage directories.

It's anyone's guess as to how long Google will actually continue to give
these crap articles any weight in the SERPs, though sadly, as of now,
they seem to matter. How do I know? I see them all the time.

But you are NEVER going to convince me or any other writer worth his
salt that spinning is nothing more than crap.

If you think I am kidding, try spinning this forum post into something
meaningful.

I rest my case.

And now you can all carry on with your love affair with article spinners.