SEO experts don't do back linking?

Millerking · 12-20-2010, 12:54 AM

Hi guys,

Back linking is talking everywhere. But, i recently found 2 SEO experts' websites, they barely have any bank linkings(around 30, according to yahoo site explorer.). And they don't have meta keywords, meta description either.

Is the main stream misleading? Is the back linking and meta seo died out?

Thank you.

seoforu · 12-20-2010, 12:59 AM

May be you missed out something.On what basis are you telling this?What rankings have they achieved for their websites?

pennynickels · 12-20-2010, 01:07 AM

I've read that more people / companies are either not using those meta tags or are not putting the 'real' values in those tags so that their competitors don't readily see them.

Instead, they are purchasing keywords. There are ways to find out which keywords they are spending their money on, but it takes knowledge way beyond clicking the 'View Source' link in browsers.

socialbookmark · 12-20-2010, 01:23 AM

I think using meta keywords and meta description can't hurt the ranking of a website or webpage. Maybe using them can't help ranking of a page but i think using them is better.

theentry · 12-20-2010, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millerking

Hi guys,

Back linking is talking everywhere. But, i recently found 2 SEO experts' websites, they barely have any bank linkings(around 30, according to yahoo site explorer.). And they don't have meta keywords, meta description either.

Is the main stream misleading? Is the back linking and meta seo died out?

Thank you.

But are those sites ranking high or how do you know if the sites belong to SEO 'experts'?

cyas22 · 12-20-2010, 03:23 AM

Wow this is definitely new to me. Have you searched their keywords and ranking? If this is true then there might be some new and effective ways of ranking in search engines without backlinks. This post just got me shocked...

faceblogger · 12-20-2010, 03:28 AM

SEO without backlinking is like a river without water - Does not make sense!

jenescavin · 12-20-2010, 03:55 AM

I think using meta keywords and meta description can't hurt the ranking of a website or webpage.

superSEO2011 · 12-20-2010, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faceblogger

SEO without backlinking is like a river without water - Does not make sense!

ha ha ha

FredJones · 12-20-2010, 07:08 AM

Just because they are SEO experts does not mean that they will be doing SEO on each and every site that they would be party to. Are these the sites that they claim to have done SEO on? Do they rank for the keywords that they claim to have done their SEO on? Unless you know the answers to these, you would never know the underlying truth.

Fernando Veloso · 12-20-2010, 07:12 AM

Bet you're talking about their own site, is that it?

If yes, that doesn't prove they do not backlink their customer sites. It's weird, but it doesn't prove anything.

mohitsharma · 12-20-2010, 10:48 AM

I think you are mad. If you will stop backlinks than how will you promote your site.

cyas22 · 12-20-2010, 05:56 PM

it is also making me confused... it is the first time ive heard of no backlinks SEO?

orvn · 12-20-2010, 06:41 PM

META keywords are obsolete and pointless. A different META description on each page is a good idea.

Care to show us these two sites and what keywords they rank for?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennynickels

Instead, they are purchasing keywords. There are ways to find out which keywords they are spending their money on, but it takes knowledge way beyond clicking the 'View Source' link in browsers.

Purchasing keywords? Are you sure you don't mean purchasing strong links with the keywords as anchor text?

A keyword is not some commodity which can be purchased.

And knowledge like what?

yukon · 12-20-2010, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennynickels

I've read that more people / companies are either not using those meta tags or are not putting the 'real' values in those tags so that their competitors don't readily see them.

Instead, they are purchasing keywords. There are ways to find out which keywords they are spending their money on, but it takes knowledge way beyond clicking the 'View Source' link in browsers.

It doesn't matter If you post every single keyword in your competitions face.

Anyone can scrape a web page with a single click, to get any webpage keywords.

Try SeoQuake keyword density page for any url.

jacksonlin · 12-20-2010, 08:47 PM

It depends.

My site about internet marketing I haven't started promoting it through SEO, but I have heaps of affiliate sites with thousands of links pointing towards them.

So if you did a backlink check my my internet marketing site, you'd get hardly any backlinks, but if you did it on my affiliate sites you'd hope you were not competing with me.

I just didn't want to start promoting my internet marketing site until I started making the big bucks in niche markets - unlike many internet marketers who claim to be making big money, but only in the make money online market!

SydneyFreelance · 12-20-2010, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orvn

META keywords are obsolete and pointless. A different META description on each page is a good idea.

Care to show us these two sites and what keywords they rank for?

Purchasing keywords? Are you sure you don't mean purchasing strong links with the keywords as anchor text?

A keyword is not some commodity which can be purchased.

And knowledge like what?

Yep

Also 30 PR 8 backlinks are better than 300 PR 0/1 backlinks. Numbers don't always mean something (Plus, Yahoo SE has been moody lately).

Wesley Atkins · 12-21-2010, 06:26 AM

Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

The only thing that matters is links...

Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...

yukon · 12-21-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

The only thing that matters is links...

Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...

You really don't know what your talking about If you say that Google doesn't use the Meta-Description Tag.

Either that or you've never done a Google search?

<meta name="description" content="WSJ online coverage of breaking news and current headlines from the US and around the world. Top stories, photos, videos, detailed analysis and in-depth reporting." />

cbpayne · 12-21-2010, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukon

You really don't know what your talking about If you say that Google doesn't use the Meta-Description Tag.

They may use it in the SERPs display, but do they actually factor it in the SERPs ranking algorithm?

Eager2SEO · 12-21-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cbpayne

They may use it in the SERPs display, but do they actually factor it in the SERPs ranking algorithm?

Yes, it is the summary of your page. If your keywords are there for people to read wouldn't it make sense for Google to use it? I'm not saying to keyword stuff but your keywords should be mentioned once there.

yukon · 12-21-2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbpayne

They may use it in the SERPs display, but do they actually factor it in the SERPs ranking algorithm?

In the screenshot above I did a search for wall street journal, you can see WSJ (Wall Street Journal) in Bold text?

If it wasn't a factor, they wouldn't bother bolding the text.

drew68 · 12-21-2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

The only thing that matters is links...

Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...

WRONG. Unless you have the algo printed in your back pocket, I wouldnt quote what you only surmise. Meta desc DOES have value, but it is very small/weighted lightly. Ive tested it personally and all things being equal, it does add value. It of course is used by most as a marketing tool, as it should be.

And to the OP- 1) YSE doesnt show all backlinks 2) there are many ways to HIDE backlinks..

ablife · 12-21-2010, 03:55 PM

I don't think Yahoo explorer shows all the links they should, obviously more than Google would but I tested a site's URL the other day with YE and Back Link Watch and BLW showed more back links than YE did. So I wouldn't get too involved in looking at how many back links they have.

Wesley Atkins · 12-21-2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukon

You really don't know what your talking about If you say that Google doesn't use the Meta-Description Tag.

I never said Google don't use the Meta-Description Tag.

I said (based on my testing and in my opinion) it is not a factor in their algorithm when determining your positioning in the results...

There is a big difference...

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukon

In the screenshot above I did a search for wall street journal, you can see WSJ (Wall Street Journal) in Bold text?

If it wasn't a factor, they wouldn't bother bolding the text.

This is just to make the SERPS clearer for searchers...

Ultimately improving user experience

That in no way means that Google uses this as a factor in their algo...

Having said that, I make full use of this Tag and even test variations to improve my CTR by monitoring Google Webmaster Tools.. I believe it's important to give users the full picture of what your content is about by offering a compelling reason for them to click on your listing...

I spend more time making it compelling for a ClickThrough, rather than keyword rich hoping to improve my positions in the SERPS...

Cataclysm1987 · 12-21-2010, 04:58 PM

Has anyone figured out what the site is and the alexa rank for the so called no backlinks SEO expert?

cbpayne · 12-21-2010, 05:05 PM

Back on topic ... why would a profesional SEO want to necessarily build backlinks to their own site? Its a very competitive keyword and it will take a lot of time and effort to rank for, when that time and effort could go into their clients site.

Just becasue they have no or very few backlinks to their own site does not necessarily mean that they are an advocate of "no backlinks SEO".

yukon · 12-21-2010, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987

Has anyone figured out what the site is and the alexa rank for the so called no backlinks SEO expert?

I don't have a clue!

Op posted a link to "Yahoo Explorer + Warrior Forum", I'm not sure why. WF has both backlinks + Meta Tags.

yukon · 12-21-2010, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

The only thing that matters is links...

Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

I never said Google don't use the Meta-Description Tag.

Ok?

That's what I read...

Wesley Atkins · 12-21-2010, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukon

Ok?

That's what I read...

Not sure what you are trying to say to me there..

I don't think I could have said it any clearer...

Google (sometimes) use the decription tag in the results view... However, its not used in their algorithm in determining postions...

I found this, maybe this is a little clearer than my explanation

From: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Google does not use the keywords meta tag in web ranking

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