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Hey fellow Warriors, you've come across the thread for the 30 Day+ SEO Experiment. Updates: - 30 days is up. Read the post on page 3 to see the results. - Read page 4 to see how the EMD for macbook pro is back on the 1st page I added this experiment on Warrior Forum because I've been doing alot of SEO testing for my own benefit in ranking my "money sites, and my client's sites over the past year. I figure since I'm doing these tests either way - why not add one on here so everyone can benefit along with me. The Goal of this Experiment: The general goal of the experiment is to test top search engine position ranking times with different variables. These variables are: - Exact match domain (EMD) vs. non Exact match domains vs. no keyword domains - Matured domains vs. brand new registered domains - Test different monetization methods There's just 2 of them, but these variables in themselves have alot more in the background behind them (I'll get to that soon) What we hope to get out of this: Simple really... - How much easier it is to rank with EMDs vs non-EMD vs domains without the keywords in it? - How much easier it is to rank with Matured Domains vs. Brand New Domains? - I'll be testing using clickbank, amazon, and adsense. How much each site earns being on a different monetization method The Plan: The overall plan is to build sites on 5 different domains, all with different variables, then backlink them to get them ranking. Onpage seo: I've tried to follow onpage seo best practices, and have tried to make each site as equal as possible. Here's some of the things I've done: - Title & Description have main keyword twice - Written 3 artices of various lenghts for each site - Permalinks have the title of the post in them - Made the main keyword bold a few times in the posts - Linked from one post to another using the main keyword - Linked out of the site to wikipedia (an authority site) using the main keyword. This I put in the footer - Use allinone seo wordpress plugin Offpage seo: I will be building the same types & amounts of backlinks to each site to try and make it as even as possible. Here's what I'll be doing: - Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories - Forum Profile backlinks (~100 or 200 per week) - some of these will include edu sites - Blog commenting - Blog comments from non-revelant PR 0-5 pages, & relevant pages (not sure on the number yet, I'll post an update) - Short Blog Posts - Pay some bloggers to write posts about the sites on their blog - Get some high PR backlinks (this will be toward the end and will only be done if the sites aren't ranking in the top yet) That's about it for Offpage.. I'll be doing all the backlinking myself using my backlink building lists and methods. The Sites I'm going to be working with 5 sites with different stats & in different niches. Building the sites CMS - The sites are all on Wordpress. I used my own 1st Page Killer Earnings theme (you can grab it for free from my signature below) for 4 of them, and used a free Wordpress theme for one of them just to spice things up. Content - All the sites have ~3 articles on them. I outsourced the writing of 2 of the articles, used just to have more content on the site, and write the article on the front page myself (for most the sites). * Once the sites start hitting the 1st page - the "salescopy" on the 1st page of these sites will be tested and improved to increase conversions. Monetization - Sites are monetized with: CPA offers, Clickbank, Amazon, & Adsense. To monetize, I just wrote a review for the products (except for the adsense site) and put up banners from the network. Total Time to build each - ~30-45 minutes including article writing. Stats: The matured domains I picked up either from a domain auction, or from the forums (all for ~$10) and the new domains from Godaddy ($7.49). For each site, I'll show you:
Mature, EMD, Clickbank monetization *already ranking in the top 100 for the main keyword (HUGE benefit of grabbing these mature domains!) ![]() Site 2 - Shavingproducts [.] net Mature, EMD, Adsense monetization *already ranking in the top 100 for the main keyword ![]() Domain 3 - MacbookProReview [.] org New, EMD, Amazon monetization * Same keyword as domain 4 - direct comparison between New, EMD & Matured, no-keyword-domain to see the difference in results between the two ![]() Domain 4 - LostWishes [.] com Mature, no keyword in domain, Amazon monetization * Same keyword as domain 4 - direct comparison between New, EMD & Matured, no-keyword-domain to see the difference in results between the two ![]() Domain 5 - Satellitedirectx [.] com New, EMD, Clickbank monetization (The figures for FEMO seem crazy, but thats what it gave me...) ![]() Margin of Error Of course the results will not be 100% accurate. I'm targeting different keywords with different competition levels, and the matured domains have different stats. With that in mind, I still think it'll be a worthwhile experiment. Well that's about it, I think I've covered about everything. Let me know any questions you have. I'll post updates every few days on what work I've done and any progress in the SERPs. Hit the Thanks button below if you got some value from this post ![]() | | \/ |
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Oh I almost forgot. For the anchor text - I'll be varying it like this: 60-70% main keyword 25-35% other keywords 5-10% the domain/ "click here" to make it look more natural |
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I am following for sure!
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Very nice. I enjoyed your methodological approach.
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As I read your thread it is very interesting and I found new strategies to use in SEO. Thanks!!!
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go on bro... ill follow ur methods here...
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This is something I have always wondered and an experiment I would like to do but just don't have the time. I look forward to the results.
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Merry Christmas everyone! I jumped on very quick today to say I'm glad to see some people are following this thread and give you an update. Update: I've just completed submitting every site to the directories. The sites should start seeing some backlinks very soon. I'll be posting updates on backlinks & ranking movement as we go along. Group question: I want to try and get some group input. Right some I'm varying the anchor text like this: 60-70% main keyword 25-35% other keywords 5-10% the domain/ "click here" to make it look more natural I know everyone has different opinions on this matter, what variation has worked best for you in the past? Again Merry Christmas, and I look forward to the responses. |
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Hi Dan, very interesting journey. I'm sure will be followed this thread. I want to act in action too, but I'm in low budget now so, I just learn from your thread now, and will duplicate your plan soon. Thanks
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I've disclosed the domains I'm using in the test for everyone to see so everyone can learn more from the experiment. Enjoy... |
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This is very interesting. I'll definitely want to see the results and how much work it actually takes to get those up. I've wondered this myself and I'm also very intrigued in your course. As for your wordpress theme you give on your course is it tested and proven? Sorry I feel as if I should give you some fair friendly warning to your benefit: 1) The domain: macbookproreview.org Might come under some legal issues for copy right domains 2) You might want to take of the fact that you purchase high PR links from related websites or the links itself because if a google rep crosses this you can get some issues with the google slap. It's againsts TOS to buy links I think. Directory submissions and social bookmarks and forum commenting should be ok. Just thought you might value my opinion. Don't mean in anyway to bash your threads. |
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Great experiment, I am curious how well the aged non EMD's will rank. Where do you do your directory submissions ? Do you have a good service, use software, or by other means?
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The wordpress theme is tested, I use it on most of my sites. Here's an image I pulled showing the CTR for some mini-adsense sites I've got: ![]() Thanks for the warnings, 1) I'm hoping Apple has bigger fish to fry than to worry about my little site . But you're right, that can be a problem down the road.2) Good point. I reworded it to just say that I'll be building high PR links, and I've changed all the urls to "site [.] com". Thanks for your feedback, and I'm glad you're following this thread. Quote:
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Regarding the GSA, what kind of stick rate do you usually get with this software. For example 1000 submissions will yield how many links that show up in Yahoo site Explorer?
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Daniel, awesome post, thanks for sharing the information. Just out of interest how many sites do you own? Also I purchased your course the other day the 1 page killer earnings course and although I know most of what was in it, absolutely well worth the money for anyone starting out. Great content, high quality videos and very detailed so well done!
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| * 12/18 Update (5 days after start of experiment) Hey everyone, it's been 5 days into this experiment and I'm happy to report some amazing improvements in ranking already! I've switch over to checking ranking positions using the Rank Checker plugin for Firefox because I can check all domains & keywords at once. Here is a screen shot of the report I ran today: *Please note: Rank Checker is not always 100% accurate. It will report rankings sometimes off by up to 10 positions. I've checked these in Google, and they seem to be pretty accurate. ![]() Somethings to point out:
It's incredible that these sites have started moving with such little work. I know the Google Dance will come into effect soon and they'll bounce around losing their current rankings, but this is still encouraging to see. So far I've only:
What's next:
Stay tuned for further updates & please ask any questions you may have! I'll try to answer them all once per day. |
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I'm anxious to see if the injection of "2000 profile backlinks" into the mix will land any of these sites in the ole sandbox. Historically, I have not had good luck blasting a site with a ton of links, but I'll keep my mind open for the sake of broadening my education here. However, I HAVE had very good luck in using some "drip feed" (slow and steady) backlinking over the course of several months. This is, by far, my favorite way to get to the top 3 positions and stay there. Good luck. I'll be watching. |
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Nice work, will also be following this. If I could be a CTR like that I'd be a very happy man!!.....custom template is it? Cheers! |
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I'm not too worried about the large number of backlinks. The reasons are because the backlinks will be crawled by search engines over a period of time, sometimes not finding a profile backlink for months. So the search engines wont see 2000 backlinks all at once And second, drip feeding works because it's consistent backlink buidling and that's what I'm doing by keeping the number of backlinks built every week fairly consistant - first with directories, then profiles, then blog comments, then high PR links. Thanks for the input! It's a custom wp theme I made. It's very simple and that's the reason for the high CTR. You can build a similar theme very easily if you have some php experience. Or you can grab mine free in my sig. | |
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is it really possible? i am very much inspired. i am going to start my new SEO campaign just like you. pray for me. and thanks again. |
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Great post I'm going to follow it and see how it goes for sure but I do have 1 question. My question is what you pay a team for 2000 profile links or 500 blog links. Thanks in advance, NetWorth |
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This is amazing thread for noobs to follow. I gained few tips what to try big thanks for sharing this. Thumbs up
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| *12/26 Update (6 Days after Start of Experiment) I know I posted an update yesterday, but I checked the ranking status of the sites and just had to post an update: ![]() That's right, 1st Page Ranking for 2 of blogging to the bank's keywords after just 6 days! I manually checked in Google and it's there. I dont' expect it to remain on the 1st page for very long, it will probably bounce in the top 30 for the next few days or weeks, but this is exciting to see none-the-less. * I will also be changing the keyword "macbook pro review" to "macbook review" for the 2 macbook pro sites as it's got much more search volume and I feel like going for something more competitive. |
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If they successfully reveal your contact information, how much will the owner be sued? $100k, $200k? | |
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The owner won't be sued - they'll just get a cease and desist telling them to take the site down. Again, I'm not sure as I've never had any problems with this. Anyone else know? | |
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Its interesting to hear this new. Of course, this would be a great help for the people those who are trying on various approaches. And i believe you will update us time by time regarding the rankings. It would helpful for us.
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Excellent thread.. seems like mature domains are much better than anything else. Will be following!
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very interesting experiment. I am looking forward to reading your final results!
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I will be following this thread like a slave.
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how do you manage to get a matured domain? is there a place to buy?
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I have thought about using the "click here" anchor text in some of my sites after analyzing some of my competition. I am an IT consultant by day, and about a year ago my website was outranked by a brand spanking new website. My website is far older and more established, has better keyword density, more backlinks, higher PR, and linked to by more authoritative websites. The only difference I saw was in his backlinks. His backlinks was far more natural-looking. He had the URL as anchor text, and a lot of "click here" anchor text. He also had a number of keyword anchor text links, but not nearly as many as I did. He does not have the keyword in the domain or URL, but neither do I. The only thing that I can assume from this is that Google must have a tiny bit of their algorithm that really likes to see a few "natural-looking" links like these. |
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Well no matter how many people claim to be SEO experts, no one really knows google's algorithm and the little details of it. Thanks for sharing, I'll be paying even more attention to this from now on | ||
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| * 12/31 Update Time! Here's the current ranking for the sites: ![]() Things to point out:
- Ok at this point all the profile backlinks have been made. Here's a sample: http://slicklaptops [.] com/community/profile.php?id=74809 Although I built ~2500 for each site, I'm not too worried about the high number of them. Some of these will get deleted, some of them will no uncrawled, and of the ones that remain, they'll get picked up by search engines slowly over the next few months. But who knows, we'll have to wait and see how the sites react to the links - High Authority Links I want to try and get some higher authority backlinks to these sites - especially blogging to the bank to stable it out. I'm gonna manually do some blog commenting on high PR posts, and possibly get a few homepage backlinks going to the sites. - Low PR blog commenting Debating about this one. I'm gonna wait a few weeks and leave this for the end to see if it's required. Well that's about all! Keep watching to see where this all goes! |
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I looked in your signature, could not find the wordpress theme. It said it's included in your WSO.
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Interesting experiment i) When you compare EMD vs non-EMD, are both keywords equally competitive ? In the above case bloggingtothebank and lostwishes .. Are they equally competitive? They fall into different categories and are they not going to differ interms of keyword difficulty? Are you building the backlinks in the same fashion for both the sites? ii)Why havent you tried 1)article marketing or .edu/.gov links .. Is there a specific reason? |
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I'll tell you now, exact match domains are the way to go for ranking highly with minimum SEO. I've accumulated 10 EMDs which I'm focusing my full attention on until I start profiting from them, without telling the keywords so far, here is my progress with my most successful domain. 6,600 Exact Monthly Searches in Google alone Google Rank: 4 Yahoo Rank: 5 Bing Rank: 5 Backlinks: 37 Got onto the first page of Google within literally 2 or 3 days, as more backlinks have been indexed and as a few weeks have past, I've gradually moved up in the rankings. |
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Bloggingtothebank is a unique example as it's both matured & an EMD. ii) I dont find article marketing for backlinks worth the time required. Some do, but I dont. edu & gov backlinks are good high authority links, they just hadnt crossed my mind with I wrote the OP. I've been considering adding them in the next couple weeks. Thanks for bringing this up. Quote:
Thats some amazing results you got. A couple days to the 1st page is the same thing I saw with the bloggingtothebank site, but it's now dancing around. Some domains will dance a while, some won't. What kind of backlinks did you build - and how many did you build of each? Good luck with your other 10 emds! | ||
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The backlinking I've done has been dead simple, I bought 100 social bookmarks for 5 sites and saw great results. Ranking from nowhere to 1-3 pages on Google instantly. My main stumbling block has been the index rate, it's been around 5% to 10% of natural indexing by Google. I bought 250 profile backlinks to 7 sites though and I hired someone to index the links, they have testimonials where the index rate has varied from 40% to 60% which I'd be more than happy with. The site is called #1 Bulk Backlinks Indexing Service | Index Backlinks | Index Bear and hopefully it will work well. The price of SEO for the sites has been tiny, $10 for 100 social bookmarks and $15 for all the profile backlinks but I don't know how effective they'll be. |
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| * 1/1 Day 10. 1st Update of the New Year! Here's the current rankings: ![]() Not much difference today then when I posted the other day, but the Satellite Direct site has had some good movement so I wanted to post an update.
Backlink building status: I've made some small changes to the backlink building plan. Added things I felt would help the sites rank faster, and removed some things. This just shows you that you have many "tools" available when backlink building, and the nice thing is you can pick and choose what you want to do. What's been Done... - Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories. Done 12/25 - Yahoo SE has started reporting some of these backlinks. - Forum Profile backlinks (2500 profiles). Done 12/31 - Yahoo SE is not reporting any of these yet. This week (Week 2)...- Social Bookmarking. I'm adding getting ~100 social bookmarks to each site. This will help show search engines my site is increasing in popularity. - Blog comments from related sites ranking for my keywords - I will try and get backlinks from blogs on my topic. - EDU backlinks. Decided to add the building of ~60 edu backlinks to each site. - Get some high PR backlinks (~4). I'm going to start off with 4 for each site, then later in the month add more. Week 3 - Blog commenting - 500 Blog comments from non-revelant PR 0-5 pages. - Get some more high PR backlinks (~4). I'm going to start off with 4 for each site, then later in the month add more. - Paid Short Blog Posts - I am probably not going to do this after all. Not sure yet, I'll see as the experiment progresses. Well that's about all, I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of rankings I get this week! |
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Any movement to speak of, Dan?
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what tools are you using for backlink creation?
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| Theres been alittle bit with the satellite direct site. I'm gonna wait til theres been bigger movement to post an update. I do the higher authority backlink building manually - this is the blog comments from related sites, edu backlinks, high pr homepage backlinks. Then I use custom software and a team for the low authority backlinks - forum profiles, social bookmarking, low authority blog comments |
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Thanks Daniel7rusu.. i will sure use this method and its very useful for new seo.
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Hi Daniel Interesting post. One of the aspects that caught my eye but hasn't yet been commented on was your conversion rate estimations, which ranged from 0.1% to 20% Did you base this off experience and the type of monetisation you were offering, or do you have a useful tool that assists here so to speak Thanks Ed |
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