Am i on the way to become stinking, filthy rich with this?

[GeorgR.]

I just checked rankings for a site of mine.

The site/keyword is ultra, ultra competitive and has MANY daily searches. (13.000 broad/ 10.000 phrase per day, checked with MS and other tools)

I am now on position #49 in Google according to MS.

Now, usually i wouldn't give a thing since position #49 would NOT impress me at all - but given that "mega keyword" i am ranking for i am somewhat surprised. (One of those sites i have but really never give a lot attention...)

This leads me to believe there is potential - and this would be truly a keyword i could retire immediately if this site would hit page #1 any time in the future.


Analyzing my links shows me that there are very, very little (if any) NO-Follow links, 99% of the links are nice, proper Do-Follow without any "thrash" like comments posts or similar. Links are all on related sites/articles.

The nr. of backlinks (for THAT keyword!!) is also incredible low, its less than 70 backlinks for this page #49 position.

The big question now: What to do next?

[Dylan K]

I would start by reconsidering retiring

[pluginy3]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

I just checked rankings for a site of mine.

The site/keyword is ultra, ultra competitive and has MANY daily searches. (13.000 broad/ 10.000 phrase per day, checked with MS and other tools)

I am now on position #49 in Google according to MS.

Now, usually i wouldn't give a thing since position #49 would NOT impress me at all - but given that "mega keyword" i am ranking for i am somewhat surprised. (One of those sites i have but really never give a lot attention...)

This leads me to believe there is potential - and this would be truly a keyword i could retire immediately if this site would hit page #1 any time in the future.


Analyzing my links shows me that there are very, very little (if any) NO-Follow links, 99% of the links are nice, proper Do-Follow without any "thrash" like comments posts or similar. Links are all on related sites/articles.

The nr. of backlinks (for THAT keyword!!) is also incredible low, its less than 70 backlinks for this page #49 position.

The big question now: What to do next?

Not being funny, I have been in the top 10 on googles first page for months for my particular keyword, whats the use of being number 1 on google, if the products on your website are not what people want, a keyword ranking of 10,000 is too broad a match, I use keywords between 500 and 5000.

Put your keyword that as a search ranking of 10,000, in google search, and I bet you have got at least 10 million competing websites lol

I can never understand why people get so hung over on being on googles page 1, like I say,I find it very easy to get on page one, simply go over to twitter and keep tweeting, people will send you tweets and follow you, within 4 or 5 days your twitter name will be on page 1 of google like mine always is @nigelonthenet

[GeorgR.]

plugin,

i have other sites, niches where i AM on #1. It is already a significant difference whether you hold #1 or #2.

Also..i dont care about a twitter name. There is no doubt in my opinion that google position gives the most/best traffic, especially if its a highly searched for "buyer's keyword". This is why i am so excited, because for the KW and search volume given i think #49 is very good - it can only get better!

And no, no problem to rank for some micro-micro niches or obscure keywords. But thats not the point. The point is to rank for something competitive what many thousands of people are searching for every day.

[Bingo123]

Well the one thing to check in MS would be the value of the keywords. If they're above $30 there is potential there. If it's in the $400,$500 etc you're on to a real winner.

[JackPowers]

Aim high! Go for it, there are fewer people out there with big time SEO knowledge and skills than you'd think, not to mention that 99% are to scared to even attempt 'weight loss'.

[ScrapeBoss]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

I just checked rankings for a site of mine.

The site/keyword is ultra, ultra competitive and has MANY daily searches. (13.000 broad/ 10.000 phrase per day, checked with MS and other tools)

I am now on position #49 in Google according to MS.

Now, usually i wouldn't give a thing since position #49 would NOT impress me at all - but given that "mega keyword" i am ranking for i am somewhat surprised. (One of those sites i have but really never give a lot attention...)

This leads me to believe there is potential - and this would be truly a keyword i could retire immediately if this site would hit page #1 any time in the future.


Analyzing my links shows me that there are very, very little (if any) NO-Follow links, 99% of the links are nice, proper Do-Follow without any "thrash" like comments posts or similar. Links are all on related sites/articles.

The nr. of backlinks (for THAT keyword!!) is also incredible low, its less than 70 backlinks for this page #49 position.

The big question now: What to do next?

Work more to bring your site to the first page. Check again the potential of the niche in people ready to spend money. Some niches have high search volume but with little desire to spend money.

[Vincenzo Oliva]

If you get a ridiculous offer for the site TAKE IT!
There was a story of a guy who had a "trendy" social media site and was offered $627 MILLION dollars. He REJECTED the offer feeling that if he monitized the site first he could get even more.

A year or so passed and the site became not so trendy. The offered was pulled but the guy scrambled to get $2 million for the site, not bad, but a huge difference.

Take it and RUN!

[Dan Axelrod]

Hey George,

I'm having a similar experience right now with one of my own sites. Sometimes it feels like your site is the internet version of "Rocky," a no-name chosen from obscurity by the grace of Google to be a contender for the championship title.

Here's my advice:

Take your search ranking as Google "paying it forward," and return the favor by optimizing your site correctly and continually. Build quality links with the anchor text for that keyword. There's a ton of good SEO information out there.

Just don't get attached to it. It's an opportunity, nothing less and nothing more. If you had an interview with Donald Trump to be his chief of internet marketing, you'd have a very real opportunity to get rich, but you wouldn't drop everything else you had going on.

Great job on your accomplishment.

--Dan

[mejohn]

It all depends on the market. I am #4 for a search phrase that KWTool says has 49,500 searches per month and over 27,000 local, and I am nowhere close to retired yet. The phrase is quite competitive. How much does Google say it costs for a click in your niche?

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by mejohn

It all depends on the market. I am #4 for a search phrase that KWTool says has 49,500 searches per month and over 27,000 local, and I am nowhere close to retired yet. The phrase is quite competitive. How much does Google say it costs for a click in your niche?

For that particular KW €1.30/cpc which should be $1.70. By the way the 10k ish searches/day are for USA only - global the keyword has over 20k searches/day.

Now just getting this from #49 higher up....traffic right now is still MINIMAL and the other problem is i dont have PR on this site yet.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo Oliva

If you get a ridiculous offer for the site TAKE IT!
There was a story of a guy who had a "trendy" social media site and was offered $627 MILLION dollars. He REJECTED the offer feeling that if he monitized the site first he could get even more.

A year or so passed and the site became not so trendy. The offered was pulled but the guy scrambled to get $2 million for the site, not bad, but a huge difference.

Take it and RUN!

I have problems on some of my sites often getting good ranking but no PR, one niche site of mine actually ranks #1 for the main keyword for two years already...has no PR.

Just theoretically, if i would get that other site with the mega keyword up to page #1 i might seriously consider selling....and i am NOT talking about peanuts. I know this KW is a "multi million dollar keyword", in a literal sense.

But there is still a way to go..although the #49 position gives me hope..right now there is almost no traffic.

Just on a curious side-note, where would you sell a site for, say, hundreds of millions of dollars?

(As far as i know, people who buy would do this based on traffic and current revenue)

[matt5409]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

I just checked rankings for a site of mine.

The site/keyword is ultra, ultra competitive and has MANY daily searches. (13.000 broad/ 10.000 phrase per day, checked with MS and other tools)

I am now on position #49 in Google according to MS.

Now, usually i wouldn't give a thing since position #49 would NOT impress me at all - but given that "mega keyword" i am ranking for i am somewhat surprised. (One of those sites i have but really never give a lot attention...)

This leads me to believe there is potential - and this would be truly a keyword i could retire immediately if this site would hit page #1 any time in the future.


Analyzing my links shows me that there are very, very little (if any) NO-Follow links, 99% of the links are nice, proper Do-Follow without any "thrash" like comments posts or similar. Links are all on related sites/articles.

The nr. of backlinks (for THAT keyword!!) is also incredible low, its less than 70 backlinks for this page #49 position.

The big question now: What to do next?

talk about counting your chickens. traffic does not equal money directly, you will probably need to spend a lot of time testing and tweaking your site, and even then you are unlikely rake the cash in on the merit of some additional traffic.

[Scott Cyrus J]

Anything is possible when you believe in yourself and your quest to become an Internet Marketing Champion.
Gold Chicken Nugget Keywords taste like money.

[32paul52]

Re: PR

It has been really slow to update and according to many sites, hasnt updated since june of last year.

Would you be interested in a Joint Venture? I get your sit up to top 10, making money and we both win - I work mainly with adsense - Good passive hands free income once you have the traffic -drop me a PM if you are interested.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo Oliva

If you get a ridiculous offer for the site TAKE IT!
There was a story of a guy who had a "trendy" social media site and was offered $627 MILLION dollars. He REJECTED the offer feeling that if he monitized the site first he could get even more.

A year or so passed and the site became not so trendy. The offered was pulled but the guy scrambled to get $2 million for the site, not bad, but a huge difference.

Take it and RUN!

On a side-note...i see some clickbank vendors making "blitz" sites where they create a product which creates HUGE gravity and buzz within a couple of days. Then they sell the site/product almost instantly while it still has super high gravity. Interesting way to make money...

[miklanderson2]

Originally Posted by 32paul52

Re: PR

It has been really slow to update and according to many sites, hasnt updated since june of last year.

Would you be interested in a Joint Venture? I get your sit up to top 10, making money and we both win - I work mainly with adsense - Good passive hands free income once you have the traffic -drop me a PM if you are interested.

PR recently updated on a few of my sites. They didn't move much but a couple of them now have higher PR...

[GeorgR.]

Need to give an udpdate:

Now, i jumped up from page #5 to top of page #3, going on page #2 soon as it looks.

From when i posted this 6 days ago, when i realized this site/keyword has potential i did some additional stuff, added new content and used the help of some guys on fiverr. Within several hours (!) i jumped up 2 whole pages in Google.

Needless to say i am very excited. This is one keyword where i never expected to rank at all.

I am in the process of thinking now whether i should keep affiliate offers on that site (its without a question a big buyer's market!!) - or replace affiliate offers with AdSense. Because there is a likelihood that replacing affiliate offers with AdSense might give an additional boost.

Traffic right now is already increasing, although still not anyway near what i want/need.

[yukon]

OP, your getting traffic, are you getting any sales?

It might be a good idea to test Adsense, you never know until you actually test the traffic & see what they want. Have you already started Adsense on the site?

[GeorgR.]

No *significant* traffic and no sales on this site (however i might double check my clickbank stats just to make sure). As said, traffic is still minimal...the whole thing really just started taking off the last few days.

I did not do ANYTHING (literally) with this site since last May..just now started to put more attention to the site.

The site uses the same format/theme and structure as two other sites of mine who make some money (one on #1 in Google)..however those niches are way easier.

The format is quality articles paired with product reviews and (custom) banners. It works pretty well on the two other sites where i did *some* testing already. (Although the niches are different)

Eg... what seems to go pretty well is "Adsense like" Ads within text/articles pointing to some clickbank offers.

For extensive testing and Adsense/CB comparisons i still need more traffic...so priority right now is SEO still to get the site more up in rankings.

[warriorspirit786]

How did you manage to get all the niche related backlinks?

[Fraggler]

I've found that even for highly searched terms the traffic is non-existant until you get towards the top of Page 2.

I'd be finding all the long tails for your page and grabbing the traffic for them. Optimising for the long tails will help push up the ranking for the main keyword while getting you traffic quicker.

What is the number of phrase searches? Subtract the Exact searches from that to get an idea of the traffic you can get from the long tails.

If you are already 'in favour' for the main keyword then it shouldn't take too many 'anchor text targeted' backlinks to rank for the long tails too.

Keep an eye on your Webmaster Tools to see the long tails coming into play. It will also let you see how many people are reaching Page 3 and then Page 2.

[GeorgR.]

What would be the best way to get the long tails, aside from looking at analytics?

What would be your strategy? Simply back linking using the long tails - or adding content targeting the long tails?

Eg... article about long tails on article directory -- link to --> sub page on site with article about long tail (deep linking) or --> main site?

[Fraggler]

Just focus on the page that is ranking well. Adding new pages wouldn't take advantage of the hard work you have already done for that page.

All you need to do is go to the Google Keyword Tool and search for your 'main keyword'. Make sure you select the option to only show terms containing your keyword. It will produce a list of long tails such as... "what is the best main keyword"; "does the main keyword really work" etc.

Look through the list and see which ones are either in your content already or ones that can be easily added to your page without making it unreadable. You can always add more to the page.

Then just build some links to the same page using the long tail anchor text. You don't need to target every long tail, just the ones that require none, or just a little manipulation.

Webmaster tools is also great at picking the long tails you might not have thought about before. If you see a long tail sitting at Position #5 with 1000 impressions per month and you haven't built and links to it yet, build some links using that anchor text and get it to #1. That will get you an extra 400 visitors per month without creating any more content.

Just try it on the weakest long tail you can find and see how quickly Google picks it up. You might be suprised.

Edit:

If your main page is the one ranking then...

Article about long tails on article directory -- link to --> Main Page (using long tail as anchor text)..

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

For that particular KW €1.30/cpc which should be $1.70. By the way the 10k ish searches/day are for USA only - global the keyword has over 20k searches/day.

Now just getting this from #49 higher up....traffic right now is still MINIMAL and the other problem is i dont have PR on this site yet.

Those numbers are no where near what you'd need to retire.

Expect a payout of about $.3/click if it's saying $1.70.

If you took #1, you'd get about 50% of the 10k searches daily.

5,000 visitors daily.

20% CTR = 1000 clicks/daily

1000*$.3=$300/day.

They're not figures you can retire on, especially since we're talking Google here. That could disappear overnight for doing nothing wrong.

[GeorgR.]

Hey, i would do pretty well from $9000/month passively from ONE single site

[GeorgR.]

Fraggler, VERY good info.

Here is something of interest:

What i did was redirect the index.php of my main page (example mysite.com) so every hit to "mysite.com" actually becomes "mysite.com/some-phrase-with-keyword/"

(in other words: If i go to my site mysite.com you will start at mysite.com/some-phrase-with-keyword/ )

According to analytics the main volume of searches lands there - while in the Google index it only shows mysite.com/ when i enter the keyword and search in Google.

Question here is whether to target the TLD domain only or mysite.com/some-phrase-with-keyword/ as entry point for the backlinks - or whether it even plays a role in the eyes of Google... (Since TLD and the longer one are the same thing.... )

[Fraggler]

That's a hard one and I honestly don't know.

You might need to specify the canonical url as the destination page and send new backlinks to that.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Specify your canonical

You'll need to track down someone who has done it before to know the best way to go, sorry.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Fraggler, VERY good info.

Here is something of interest:

What i did was redirect the index.php of my main page (example mysite.com) so every hit to "mysite.com" actually becomes "mysite.com/some-phrase-with-keyword/"

(in other words: If i go to my site mysite.com you will start at mysite.com/some-phrase-with-keyword/ )

According to analytics the main volume of searches lands there - while in the Google index it only shows mysite.com/ when i enter the keyword and search in Google.

Question here is whether to target the TLD domain only or mysite.com/some-phrase-with-keyword/ as entry point for the backlinks - or whether it even plays a role in the eyes of Google... (Since TLD and the longer one are the same thing.... )

What happens when you search for the internal page (some-phrase-with-keyword) is it indexed in Google SERP?

[timpears]

I think what I would do, if I was you, is to sell me your site for $20. Then I would back link the crap out of the site.


Let me know your PayPal address and I will send you the money.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by yukon

What happens when you search for the internal page (some-phrase-with-keyword) is it indexed in Google SERP?

This is the interesting thing!!

Because my main phrase i was actually starting out to build the site for is a LONG TAIL from the keyword i am ranking for right now.

Interestingly, i am NOT ranking for the long tail (even if the main KW is included in the long tail) - but for the keyword one layer above (which of course has WAY more searches than the actual long tail)

Example (not actual):

I was planning to rank for "How to get Cheap Chicago Cubs Tickets" <-- and i am ranking now for "cheap chicago cub tickets" instead..and NOT for the initial, longer phrase.

Edit: This is also the reason i posted something a couple days ago that people should optimize and SEO sites for related sub-keywords...because google WILL attribute them to the main keyword!!!

[yukon]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

This is the interesting thing!!

Because my main phrase i was actually starting out to build the site for is a LONG TAIL from the keyword i am ranking for right now.

Interestingly, i am NOT ranking for the long tail (even if the main KW is included in the long tail) - but for the keyword one layer above (which of course has WAY more searches than the actual long tail)

Example (not actual):

I was planning to rank for "How to get Cheap Chicago Cubs Tickets" <-- and i am ranking now for "cheap chicago cub tickets" instead..and NOT for the initial, longer phrase.

Edit: This is also the reason i posted something a couple days ago that people should optimize and SEO sites for related sub-keywords...because google WILL attribute them to the main keyword!!!

Well that's good.

You could always build more pages to pull in that long-tail phrase, & shouldn't have much trouble doing it since your already starting to rank the short-tail. In fact I would imagine new long-tail pages would only strengthen the phrase that's starting to rank...

[32paul52]

A good way (and very easy compared to Google analytics) is to use statcounter.com - it has free keyword analysis section, which could be help and it quickly shows you have people are getting to the (links to long tale ranking terms)

As far as numbers, it more accurate that Adwords external because it is actual searches that got to your site.