New EZA article has over 2000 backlinks? How?

[KatyaSenina]

I found an article on EZA, it's ranking for a pretty competitive keyword term and it's fairly new... about 3 months old and it has over 2000 backlinks pointing to it. It already had over 5,000 views.

How are some people getting these amounts of backlinks so quickly? This guy is ranking for some seriously competitive keyword and I don't doubt he is cashing in well from it too.

I'm sure he is using some software, if only I knew what kind of software.

[iuditg]

maybe he is using Scrapebox or xrumer ? Those 2 are hell popular !!

[KatyaSenina]

Originally Posted by iuditg

maybe he is using Scrapebox or xrumer ? Those 2 are hell popular !!

Thanks, heard of them before... Have you tried them yourself? Which one is better? Do they really work?

[markowe]

They are tools mostly used for spamming, don't go there, not even for the quick buck. But if you checked the backlinks can't you see what type they are? Spam backlinks are usually pretty obvious, they have a certain, erm, 'odour' about them.

[iuditg]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Thanks, heard of them before... Have you tried them yourself? Which one is better? Do they really work?

My friend has both of them Xrumer is the best one for backlinking but xrumer is like 590 $

scrapebox is fairly cheap, its 57$

[KatyaSenina]

Originally Posted by markowe

They are tools mostly used for spamming, don't go there, not even for the quick buck. But if you checked the backlinks can't you see what type they are? Spam backlinks are usually pretty obvious, they have a certain, erm, 'odour' about them.

I'm afraid to check them. These sites don't look credible. I'm afraid to get some junk/spyware on my pc. There is no way I can get over 2,000 backlinks to my articles manually.

Anyway, spamming or not spamming... it obviously works for him.

[M Thompson]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

I'm afraid to check them. These sites don't look credible. I'm afraid to get some junk/spyware on my pc. Anyway there is no way I can get over 2,000 backlinks to my articles manually.

Anyway, spamming or not spamming... it obviously works for him.

you don't need 2000 links...

get 10 or so good quality links and that's much better than 2000 poor quality links. I am prepared to bet you could actually out rank the article with 2000 links just by doing that.

Plus of course you don't know if that article is actually converting readers to buyers and thats the main point for any article

[KatyaSenina]

Originally Posted by M Thompson

you don't need 2000 links...

get 10 or so good quality links and that's much better than 2000 poor quality links. I am prepared to bet you could actually out rank the article with 2000 links just by doing that.

Plus of course you don't know if that article is actually converting readers to buyers and thats the main point for any article

You're right, smart thinking...what do you consider high quality backlinks? Those coming from article directories, forums, social media sites (like hubpages, blogger) or high PR blogs??

[M Thompson]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

You're right, smart thinking...what do you consider high quality backlinks? Those coming from article directories, forums, social media sites (like hubpages, blogger) or high PR blogs??

Good quality blogs are a good place to start....

I think I am like most blog owners, if there is a comment and it's obvious that the writer has read the article and the comment is relevant and adds value to the conversation then I'll approve it.

If however it's just a case of "great post" I just add it to spam.

(feel free to add a comment to Mark Thompson's Internet Marketing Blog )

The other thing to do is to offer to do guest posts on a few related blogs, in return for the guest post you get to add a couple of links in the post.

[Chris Worner]

Hello Katya,

Have you checked whether or not the article is in the most viewed or published sections on EZA, a lot of people forget that the internal linking structure of a website can directly influence an articles ranking.

Chris

[TBInternetMarketing]

You don't think he could be using an aritcle submission tool to build links from other articles back to his money article? 2,000 is only 600 over 3 months.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

How are some people getting these amounts of backlinks so quickly?

(i) By not understanding what they're doing;

(ii) By imagining that they'll benefit from it in the long run;

(iii) By buying cheap backlinks at places like fiverr.com;

(iv) By using software to build automated spamming backlinks of no long-term value;

(v) By not appreciating what a mistake it is to do this, because they haven't really thought it through, typically haven't appreciated the long-term downside, and haven't read all the Warrior Forum threads like this thread, this thread, this thread and this thread where it's explained how short-sighted this can be.

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

This guy is ranking for some seriously competitive keyword

He really isn't, Katya. It's not "the guy's site" that's ranking, is it? He's ensuring that EZA ranks for the keyword. They must be delighted, and he perhaps hasn't quite worked out that he's losing most of his traffic! He probably imagines that he's getting traffic from an article directory while what he's actually doing is sending his traffic, generated from his backlinks helping EZA, to an article directory! He probably doesn't realise that in the long run, he'll pay for that.

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

and I don't doubt he is cashing in well from it too.

Call me a skepchick, but I doubt that very much indeed because it's clear that his whole business model leaves quite a bit to be desired and perhaps hasn't been too well thought through at all. And if he is cashing in to any extent from it in the short term, it's at the expense of his longer-term prospects and about as short-sighted as you can get. Maybe he doesn't realise it, but by doing that, he'll end up consigning himself to a "rinse and repeat" model of article marketing rather than ever building a business which develops true residual income.

You and I can do a bit better than that.

[M Thompson]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Call me a skepchick,

skepchick


The whole idea of article marketing is to promote your sites and get your sites ranking #1

By firing so many links at an article you are actually sabotaging your success. I suppose it might indicate a fundamental lack of belief in your own sites if you choose to promote eza over your site..


I hate having to ponder such deep questions on a sunday morning!


@katya, I used to do a lot of analysis of EZA based business models, if you want to pm me the link i'll do one on the article

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by M Thompson

skepchick
I suppose it might indicate a fundamental lack of belief in your own sites if you choose to promote eza over your site..

Or a fundamental lack of understanding of how to properly succeed in article marketing?

I hate having to ponder such deep questions on a sunday morning!

Agreed, I've just been talking about backlinks. On a Sunday morning.

I just realised I need to get out more.

[Kom]

To get backlink you can buy for less then $10 get 5000 backlink
But " Just waste your money.
Do slow i you do right researh you will well with less backlink

[KatyaSenina]

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Hello Katya,

Have you checked whether or not the article is in the most viewed or published sections on EZA, a lot of people forget that the internal linking structure of a website can directly influence an articles ranking.

Chris

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah it's obviously in the most viewed or most published category on EZA somewhere as it has backlinks from EZA as well.

[thebitbotdotcom]

All of this AND another major problem is that EZA posts ads all over their page and ad/off-page links outnumber resource links probably 200:1 (just a guess). It's a numbers game and on EZA, the numbers are not in your favor.

[KatyaSenina]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

He really isn't, Katya. It's not "the guy's site" that's ranking, is it? He's ensuring that EZA ranks for the keyword. They must be delighted, and he perhaps hasn't quite worked out that he's losing most of his traffic! He probably imagines that he's getting traffic from an article directory while what he's actually doing is sending his traffic, generated from his backlinks helping EZA, to an article directory! He probably doesn't realise that in the long run, he'll pay for that.

Alexa, I can see where you're coming from and you have a point, but the only reason I choose to point backlinks to EZA over my own site is because I believe it's easier to get EZA (or any other site for that matter such as Scribd/Docstoc) ranked, than my own site.

My site is PR0. What chances do I have of outranking EZA? Zero. I'm obviously promoting EZA for my own benefits, to get people to see my article and get them to click on the link in my resourcebox.

Also, you seem to rely on people who pick your articles up and republish them on their own sites. Too bad I'm not that lucky.

My articles on their own get very little views if I don't promote them after submitting. That said, it's crucial for me to optimize them and promote them, if I ever want to get something out of it, otherwise they are just useless as they don't generate much views/traffic on their own.

[thebitbotdotcom]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

My site is PR0. What chances do I have of outranking EZA? Zero. I'm obviously promoting EZA for my own benefits, to get people to see my article and get them to click on the link in my resourcebox.

Experiment. Try writing two articles. First, write your MONEY article. Make it highly informative, well-optimized and 1000% unique. Make sure that it is only on your site. In other words, don't syndicate.

Next. Write a second article, also high quality, that leads into the first. Add resource links at the bottom that point to your unique that is sitting on your site only.

Syndicate your second article that points to your unique as far and as wide as you can. Build tons of backlinks to your unique article and try to rank it that way. You will be surprised at the results. I have ranked articles this way...Some against 100 million + competing results. Uniqueness is highly important.

[tfos4941]

It is possible that he actually does not have a site? His article may point to a domain that redirects to his affiliate link?

[suxes2005]

Either you use scrapebox or xrumer, all in all
try and get manual links it works well as well

[Liam Hamer]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Alexa, I can see where you're coming from and you have a point, but the only reason I choose to point backlinks to EZA over my own site is because I believe it's easier to get EZA (or any other site for that matter such as Scribd/Docstoc) ranked, than my own site.

My site is PR0. What chances do I have of outranking EZA? Zero. I'm obviously promoting EZA for my own benefits, to get people to see my article and get them to click on the link in my resourcebox.

Also, you seem to rely on people who pick your articles up and republish them on their own sites. Too bad I'm not that lucky.

My articles on their own get very little views if I don't promote them after submitting. That said, it's crucial for me to optimize them and promote them, if I ever want to get something out of it, otherwise they are just useless as they don't generate much views/traffic on their own.

Yes, but only if you stay in your current mindset. There's nothing wrong with backlinking your articles at article directories unless it's at the expense of your own site. Ranking your own site high should be a long term thing anyway, and you should take a long term approach to it, particularly if it's a competitive niche. Personally, I don't really backlink my article directory articles. Instead, I find 'low hanging fruit' in terms of keywords, which will usually mean I can submit the article and it will land on the front page of Google. Keyword selection and research is vitally important.

As for these articles with thousands of views quickly, I agree with everyone above. I see the same thing with sites. In fact, just the other day one of my sites fell behind another site at the top of Google and when I looked at the backlinks of the other site, I saw 18,000 mostly poor quality ones. Mine has 40 ish and isn't even optimized for the keyword in question. So I've decided to actually put some effort into ranking for that keyword with some good on page and off page SEO. I know I will outrank them. As others have said, a small amount of quality, varied backlinks are much better than thousands of spammy, crappy ones

[vikramd]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

I'm sure he is using some software, if only I knew what kind of software.

You can easily buy the links from someone (odesk.com, fiverr.com, backlinks forum etc.) or use a paid article directory service/blog network to do this for him.

Some people frown upon this sort of stuff (falsely thinking that Google has some set of fair rules in place for SEO) but that's how its done.

It's hard to say exactly without seeing the article.

Obviously, he should have directed the links to his main site.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

the only reason I choose to point backlinks to EZA over my own site is because I believe it's easier to get EZA (or any other site for that matter such as Scribd/Docstoc) ranked, than my own site.

It is.

And as long as you do that, it always will be: you'll never have a site that you can rank properly.

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

My site is PR0.

Every site I've ever had has started off as PR-0!

This is true for all of us.

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

What chances do I have of outranking EZA? Zero.

Wrong.

You have every chance of outranking EZA. Outranking EZA is easy. I have absolutely no problem outranking EZA or any other article directory. And you can see in this thread loads of other people saying exactly the same thing: it isn't just some trick of mine because my articles get syndicated, you know? That isn't relevant to this point.

And don't imagine that you can't outrank EZA "because it's PR-6". It's only its home page that's PR-6, and that has nothing to do with anything you're using it for at all. Your EZA articles, just like mine, go on non-context-relevant PR-0 pages. You can't outrank those?! Well, only because you're doing their SEO for them at the expense of your own ...

But if you send your traffic to EZA, and build backlinks to EZA, then yes, you're right, because that's the outcome you're producing, and you'll never outrank EZA.

EZA will love you for ever, though: directly or indirectly, you're sending them a cut of all your future income.

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

I'm obviously promoting EZA for my own benefits, to get people to see my article and get them to click on the link in my resourcebox.

You're generating traffic with backlinking campaigns and sending that traffic to EZA and getting back only what's left of it, after EZA's AdSense (from which, of course, they make their living) and other distractions have taken their share of it.

Seriously, and respectfully, and warmly, and all the rest of it (i.e. you know me well enough to know that I'm not trying to criticise you for the sake of it!! ) I think you're ignoring the warnings and consequences of the points made here, here, here, here and so on. I understand the problem that your sites can't outrank EZA, but if you keep sending traffic to EZA, they never will, because you're shooting them in the elegantly high-heeled foot all the time.

[oneplusone]

You don't need to spend any money or use software, you can manufacture hundreds of backlinks to your EZA articles in an hour or two for free if you really want to.

I'm not saying doing this is a great idea though, the article marketing boss Alexa has already spoken

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Also, you seem to rely on people who pick your articles up and republish them on their own sites. Too bad I'm not that lucky.

Hi Katya,

I'm afraid luck has very little to do with this. It's about being proactive.

Before I enter any niche I know exactly who my competition is, what they're doing and how well they're doing it. My keyword research has little to do with how much competition I have, rather how good they are.

My point here is Alexa doesn't leave any articles on EZA hoping with a bit of luck someone finds it. She proactively forms relationships with high authority sites and gets them to publish her articles, thus forming a good, profitable and long term relationship for them both.

I certainly wouldn't want to leave any syndication down to luck.

[TBInternetMarketing]

So what's the general consensus on the usage of article submission software, when done slowly (i.e. let's say 10 a day to 600 sites over a period of 2 months? No doubt it will result in low PR links but it should create a nice link build base for you to add higher PR links on.

Any thoughts?

[Devid Farah]

Katya,

in the case you want outsourcing your backlinking , be sure to check the credentials of the company you hire and begin small (preferably with a trial project) to test how well they do the job.

Be sure to ask a lot of questions to insure that they are a legit company and not just out to get a quick buck.

Remember that quality of links count more than mere quantity.

Your chosen company should also build your backlinks slowly and consistently so that it looks natural in the eyes of the search engines.

Another option you have which will give you a lot more quality backlinks without compromising your site is to hire a freelance writer to write guest post for you.

There is evidence that guest post backlinks can be very useful because they appear more natural to Google.

Devid

[inter123]

You must be part of the minority!

Originally Posted by M Thompson

I think I am like most blog owners, if there is a comment and it's obvious that the writer has read the article and the comment is relevant and adds value to the conversation then I'll approve it.

[oneplusone]

Originally Posted by inter123

You must be part of the minority!

I get around 90% of my comments approved when I post on blogs, the main thing is to add some value as he says

[KatyaSenina]

Originally Posted by oneplusone

I get around 90% of my comments approved when I post on blogs, the main thing is to add some value as he says

You're right, that's the best way to do it. But do we all have that time every single day? Generating backlinks to every single article on your site (or EZA) is very time consuming and that's actually another issue I want to point out. If I have to find tons of quality blogs and comment on them providing real value and thorough, thoughtful comments, I have another fulltime job here. I'd wish I had that time in a day, but I don't.

[inter123]

Hi Alexa.

I have been reading all your posts with great interest. Is this advice not in contrary to things you have said previously? I understand nowadays you advocate building relationships and posting (I am assuming here) on authority high traffic niche blogs. By posting your articles on there, sure you receive traffic to your site.

So what is the difference between what you are doing and this Ezine Article dude in question? On the Ezine Articles, traffic is being leaked to the Adsense and Ezine Articles are laughing all the way to the bank. On the niche sites where perhaps you are posting, traffic is being leaked to their other posts, Adsense, CPA or whatever else they have on there. It, to me anyway, does seems like a loss-loss situation either way. Unless of course, you actually own the niche high traffic website yourself.

It just seems to me, there maybe exceptions but as an overall, there is no such thing as long term residual passive income when it comes to IM. By that I mean 7 - 10 years+. This is a market that is on the constant change and something that works for a couple of years may becomes void. There is a hell of a lot less stability here then the offline marketing world.

And I have been reading about people saying "don't put all your eggs on one basket" and now, I can totally understand what they mean by it. I would not bother doing just one thing like article marketing but a whole list of different ventures. And it is near impossible for one person to do everything without employing people or outsourcing.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

He really isn't, Katya. It's not "the guy's site" that's ranking, is it? He's ensuring that EZA ranks for the keyword. They must be delighted, and he perhaps hasn't quite worked out that he's losing most of his traffic! He probably imagines that he's getting traffic from an article directory while what he's actually doing is sending his traffic, generated from his backlinks helping EZA, to an article directory! He probably doesn't realise that in the long run, he'll pay for that.

[GeorgR.]

It's funny how you "diz" the guy who is obviously using some gray/black techniques to boost his article - but the irony is that HE IS RANKING the article well, it is very obvious that his Xrumer/Scrapebox blast etc. works <---

It is sad that many article publishers use such techniques, and yes, the honest and in-experienced marketer/article writer/SEO therefore has a significant disadvantage.

He really isn't, Katya. It's not "the guy's site" that's ranking, is it?

Alexa....you are smart enough to know that if he blasts his article containing his link, it will also benefit his site.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by inter123

Hi Alexa.

So what is the difference between what you are doing and this Ezine Article dude in question? On the Ezine Articles, traffic is being leaked to the Adsense and Ezine Articles are laughing all the way to the bank. On the niche sites where perhaps you are posting, traffic is being leaked to their other posts, Adsense, CPA or whatever else they have on there. It, to me anyway, does seems like a loss-loss situation either way. Unless of course, you actually own the niche high traffic website yourself.

Hi Inter123,

I'll let Alexa answer your question but as I do things very similar to her, I'd just like to point out one or two small things.

Firstly, where I have my articles syndicated don't even resemble EZA.

Many are information sites with very little monetary interest, they have built up authority and have very interested readers, much much more than would ever visit my EZA page. These people are regular visitors, the subject is close to their hearts and the site my article is syndicated on is somewhere they trust, they also trust whatever the owners decide to print. Why would I want my articles printed on sites that are stuffed with CPA, Adsense and other stuff? Kind of defeats the object in the first place.

The readers of the sites my articles are syndicated on will by nature be far more interested in what I have to say.

Natural traffic will find the site I publish my article, just as they will my article on EZA. The high authority site however has readers that come back to that site again and again, they are passionate about that subject.

I won't build up a loyal following that come back again and again to read my EZA article.

So, regarding the sites an article is syndicated on and the EZA page are very different. At least for me, I certainly however can't see Alexa explaining why sending traffic to an adsense stuffed EZA page is bad and then send her own to a similar page on a high authority site.

I think we all know she's brighter than that.

[oneplusone]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

You're right, that's the best way to do it. But do we all have that time every single day? Generating backlinks to every single article on your site (or EZA) is very time consuming and that's actually another issue I want to point out. If I have to find tons of quality blogs and comment on them providing real value and thorough, thoughtful comments, I have another fulltime job here. I'd wish I had that time in a day, but I don't.

I didn't mean generating hundreds of backlinks by posting on blogs one by one, my second post was a reply to inter123.

To generate hundreds of backlinks very quickly to your EZA articles, you would use the RSS feature.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by inter123

Hi Alexa.

I have been reading all your posts with great interest. Is this advice not in contrary to things you have said previously?

I hope not? Not as far as I'm aware ...

Originally Posted by inter123

I understand nowadays you advocate building relationships

Always, not nowadays. But this is to do with email marketing by autoresponder series, and to some extent with your site contents ... not about what we're discussing here, at all (as far as I'm aware?).

Originally Posted by inter123

and posting (I am assuming here) on authority high traffic niche blogs.

I do some of that, certainly, if I think I can add value to someone's blog so that they won't "moderate" (i.e. delete) my post. It's part of the SEO I do for my own sites.

Originally Posted by inter123

By posting your articles on there, sure you receive traffic to your site.

I can't post articles on other people's sites. Who can? Only the owner of the site can do this.

Originally Posted by inter123

So what is the difference between what you are doing and this Ezine Article dude in question?

He's building up EZA's site by sending traffic to it.

He's making the mistakes explained in this thread, this thread, this thread and this thread - I'm avoiding them.

Originally Posted by inter123

On the niche sites where perhaps you are posting, traffic is being leaked to their other posts, Adsense, CPA or whatever else they have on there.

(i) I'm not posting on them. Sometimes their webmasters will post my articles on them ... (are you perhaps confusing "blog-commenting" with "posting articles"?)

(ii) I don't care what leaks there are from someone else's site. It's all "something extra" for me, isn't it?

Even if the leaks amounted to 90%, the remaining 10% would still be something for nothing, wouldn't it?

Looks at it this way: I can have my articles (a) on my site and in EZA and on other people's sites, or I can have them (b) on my site and in EZA and not on other people's sites.

However many imperfections one finds with "other people's sites" it's not going to make (b) worse than (a), is it?

Though, again, I don't see what it has to do with this conversation.

Originally Posted by inter123

It, to me anyway, does seems like a loss-loss situation either way.

This is because you're not comparing like with like.

Originally Posted by inter123

Unless of course, you actually own the niche high traffic website yourself.

You're certainly never going to do that if you send your traffic to EZA, are you?!

Wherever else my articles appear (and the more, the merrier, within reason - though I have no interest in mass submission to article directories because those backlinks aren't worth having - for me), the SEO I do is all for my own site.

Originally Posted by inter123

It just seems to me, there maybe exceptions but as an overall, there is no such thing as long term residual passive income when it comes to IM. By that I mean 7 - 10 years+.

We'll have to agree to differ about this one.

I've only been doing this 2-and-a-bit years, so I can't prove you wrong, by definition.

But I have niches which I've hardly touched for nearly 2 years whose monthly income is continuing to grow. Ok, we're not talking about fortunes, obviously: I'm by no means claiming to have pop-star or footballer income from them! But "steady and growing" enough to disagree with you.

Originally Posted by inter123

There is a hell of a lot less stability here then the offline marketing world.

Not sure about this. To me, it feels the opposite, from everything I hear and read. The "offline economy" is not exactly healthy and stable at the moment ... unemployment and inflation seem to be rising ...

Originally Posted by inter123

I would not bother doing just one thing like article marketing but a whole list of different ventures. And it is near impossible for one person to do everything without employing people or outsourcing.

Yes, perhaps so. I do outsource some things, even for my article-marketing-based business, because I have no technical skills to speak of. I don't disagree at all that diversification is a good thing for many people, in principle. I'm just not clear what it has to do with this conversation ...

[Adie]

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

I found an article on EZA, it's ranking for a pretty competitive keyword term and it's fairly new... about 3 months old and it has over 2000 backlinks pointing to it. It already had over 5,000 views.

How are some people getting these amounts of backlinks so quickly? This guy is ranking for some seriously competitive keyword and I don't doubt he is cashing in well from it too.

I'm sure he is using some software, if only I knew what kind of software.

Have someone create a clean wordpress theme for you and put your link at the footer of that theme. Give that theme away for free.

This is the technique I did with one of my sites (just sold at flippa) having more than 700K backlinks all from different wordpress blogs... oh, and that is not bl@ckha@t

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

It's funny how you "diz" the guy who is obviously using some gray/black techniques to boost his article - but the irony is that HE IS RANKING the article well

Nobody's suggesting that he isn't ranking the article well, Georg.

I'm not even suggesting that he's using the wrong-coloured headwear to do it.

I'm just making the (surely obvious?) point that he'd be much better off ranking the article well on HIS site rather than on someone else's site, and that to that extent (like so many people who fall into this trap) he doesn't really know what he's doing.

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Alexa....you are smart enough to know that if he blasts his article containing his link, it will also benefit his site.

Yes, but a little bit instead of a lot. He's losing his visitors unnecessarily to EZA's AdSense.

He's "blasting" someone else's property instead of his own, isn't he? He has a problem, perhaps: he's boosted other people's sites so much in the SERP's that he now has a site with which he can't even outrank an article directory!! And he probably thinks that's "normal"!

[bravo75]

Some good stuff here. However, I don't agree with the statement that a 0 PR article on a PR 6 article directory is the same as a 0 PR blogpost with a 0 PR homepage. You can get articles ranked for relatively competitive keywords fairly easy with almost no backlinking. You couldn't achieve that with a post on a new blog.
If this were the case, then profile links from high PR forums would be the same as a profile link from a 0 PR site because you are essentially leaving a link on a PR 0 page.
Pages on high PR article directories and profile pages will get you ranked faster and higher because the high PR sites get crawled more frequently and carry more weight.
I do agree though that you should really be building links to your site and not an article directory.

[Richard Van]

One other point I might like to add.

I've nothing against anyone doing things their way, why should I? On the contrary It doesn't bother me at all.

The point is, for me, sending all your links to your EZA article, is not in line with my business model.

My aim is long term, to create a lasting business. I want my site to become the authority site in time, I want my site to be the place people come.

My aim is not to make my EZA or my EZA article, my authority site.

That's why I like to send any backlinks to my site, instead of my EZA article.

I'm not saying anyone's wrong, it just doesn't make sense, for my aim, of creating my sites, in their respective niches, the dominant, authority sites.

[GoodnightSweetRatRace]

What type of backlink are they? Bet most of them are crappy blog comments.

[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by bravo75

Some good stuff here. However, I don't agree with the statement that a 0 PR article on a PR 6 article directory is the same as a 0 PR blogpost with a 0 PR homepage.

Hello Bravo,

My point here is that the authority sites my articles get syndicated on are not PR0 sites, far from it in fact.

They are high PR niche authority sites and rank better than any EZA articles in their respective niches.

Goodnightsweetratrace - What type of backlink are they? Bet most of them are crappy blog comments.

Excuse me but may I ask whose comment you are referring to here? Just out of interest.

My posts here are about syndicated content on high authority sites. Not blog comments.

I'd also like it to be known I don't leave any crap comments on blogs I may comment on.

They tend to get deleted in my experience.

[inter123]

Yeah sure there are sites that fall into the category of “little monetary interest” but they are becoming less and less. Or perhaps they are increasing but the commercial sites are increasing at a faster rate such that these sites get lost in comparison to others.

10 or so years ago, the Internet was full of free information. Nowadays commerce is the big player and the way things are going commerce is going to become even more dominant. The sites with "little monetary interests" will become less and less in terms of percentage. What is there to say these existing sites with your posts will not become more commercial? What is there to say these sites will not close down because they have no money! If you are basing your business based on other sites for traffic, it is like building something on quick sand. It has little in the way of foundation.

I am sure other sites are not going to become badly plastered with Adsense in the same manner as Ezine Articles but still there still will be distraction. If there is little in the way of ads, what is there to say the visitor is not going to another part of the website? So there is no stopping the "leakage factor". And what is there to say, the website decides to remove your article for whatever reason?

The point is basing your business is never a good idea. As for basing sites on Google, that is a slightly different matter if you have a number of sites, the infrastructure, the resources and the competency to keep up with the latest developments and manipulate the algorithms.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Many are information sites with very little monetary interest, they have built up authority and have very interested readers, much much more than would ever visit my EZA page. These people are regular visitors, the subject is close to their hearts and the site my article is syndicated on is somewhere they trust, they also trust whatever the owners decide to print. Why would I want my articles printed on sites that are stuffed with CPA, Adsense and other stuff? Kind of defeats the object in the first place.

[NateRivers]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It is.

And as long as you do that, it always will be: you'll never have a site that you can rank properly.



Every site I've ever had has started off as PR-0!

This is true for all of us.



Wrong.

You have every chance of outranking EZA. Outranking EZA is easy. I have absolutely no problem outranking EZA or any other article directory. And you can see in this thread loads of other people saying exactly the same thing: it isn't just some trick of mine because my articles get syndicated, you know? That isn't relevant to this point.

And don't imagine that you can't outrank EZA "because it's PR-6". It's only its home page that's PR-6, and that has nothing to do with anything you're using it for at all. Your EZA articles, just like mine, go on non-context-relevant PR-0 pages. You can't outrank those?! Well, only because you're doing their SEO for them at the expense of your own ...

But if you send your traffic to EZA, and build backlinks to EZA, then yes, you're right, because that's the outcome you're producing, and you'll never outrank EZA.

EZA will love you for ever, though: directly or indirectly, you're sending them a cut of all your future income.



You're generating traffic with backlinking campaigns and sending that traffic to EZA and getting back only what's left of it, after EZA's AdSense (from which, of course, they make their living) and other distractions have taken their share of it.

Seriously, and respectfully, and warmly, and all the rest of it (i.e. you know me well enough to know that I'm not trying to criticise you for the sake of it!! ) I think you're ignoring the warnings and consequences of the points made here, here, here, here and so on. I understand the problem that your sites can't outrank EZA, but if you keep sending traffic to EZA, they never will, because you're shooting them in the elegantly high-heeled foot all the time.

I was going to comment until I read Alexa's replies... Listen to her.

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[Richard Van]

Originally Posted by inter123

Yeah sure there are sites that fall into the category of “little monetary interest” but they are becoming less and less. Or perhaps they are increasing but the commercial sites are increasing at a faster rate such that these sites get lost in comparison to others.

Sorry but that's a contradiction in itself right? Can't be reducing and increasing at the same time surely? My point was that most, most, of the sites I'm on don't scream Adsense, CPA and the other things you mentioned earlier.

What is there to say these sites will not close down because they have no money! If you are basing your business based on other sites for traffic, it is like building something on quick sand. It has little in the way of foundation.

In your opinion...like above.

My aim is to promote affiliate products now. I have done and plan to in others, in my long term plan, to create my own products. What's to say the less monetary sites can't JV with me on them? What's to say my sites don't become the authority sites?

Also are you saying that in time all sites will be monetarily based? No one does anything as a hobby anymore? No one wants to create sites to talk to others about what they like?

What is there to say these sites will not close down

What is to say these sites won't close down?

Don't forget, I use the directories too, I just take it a step further than just directories. So, instead of just doing one, I do two. That way if one dies, I have another option. (That's not to say I mass submit to every directory either)

I am sure other sites are not going to become badly plastered with Adsense in the same manner as Ezine Articles but still there still will be distraction

Again this is your opinion and prediction of the internet. It's also the reason article marketing is one of a number of ways I generate my income.

If there is little in the way of ads, what is there to say the visitor is not going to another part of the website? So there is no stopping the "leakage factor". And what is there to say, the website decides to remove your article for whatever reason?

What's to say they will go to another article and not click on your resource box link? As for leakage, the people reading the article on the site my article is syndicated on, are loyal followers of that site. I can't see where you're struggling with this. Do people land on your EZA article and automatically become loyal followers of your article?

Besides, as mentioned, I have both options.

The point is basing your business is never a good idea.

Never said I based my business on one model. I don't.

My aim is to make my site the authority site, not my EZA article.

As for basing sites on Google, that is a slightly different matter if you have a number of sites, the infrastructure, the resources and the competency to keep up with the latest developments and manipulate the algorithms.

Who said I don't have those resources? You appear to be assuming an awful lot about me without any information at all.

I've no problem with what you're saying but assuming isn't my way. I test, I see what works, I extensively network and find people that know more than me who can do things better than me.

I have a long term plan.

Perhaps it's best you keep assuming what will happen while I keep testing what works.

You mentioned you wanted to go into article marketing. If so why are you saying I'm wrong based on your opinions when in this thread, you said this...

I think I am going to forget about Ezine, Go Articles and co and just contact potential blogs for guest blogging "gigs".

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[inter123]

Hi.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I can't post articles on other people's sites. Who can? Only the owner of the site can do this.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

(i) I'm not posting on them. Sometimes their webmasters will post my articles on them ... (are you perhaps confusing "blog-commenting" with "posting articles"?)

I think you misunderstood some of what I was saying. When you are guest blogging, of course you can't post on the other person's site. You are just a guest and you are sending them a post which they will post on their site on your behalf if they deem it worthy. Of course this is much different to Ezine Articles.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

(ii) I don't care what leaks there are from someone else's site. It's all "something extra" for me, isn't it?

Yes for sure.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

He really isn't, Katya. It's not "the guy's site" that's ranking, is it? He's ensuring that EZA ranks for the keyword. They must be delighted, and he perhaps hasn't quite worked out that he's losing most of his traffic! He probably imagines that he's getting traffic from an article directory while what he's actually doing is sending his traffic, generated from his backlinks helping EZA, to an article directory! He probably doesn't realise that in the long run, he'll pay for that.

I know this is kind of going off tangent of the OP but for what purpose do "professional article marketers" use Ezine Articles? I think "professional article marketers" use Ezine for traffic or the possibility of synidication to acquire traffic as the primary use. Or have I misunderstood?

Some "SEO professionals" use Ezine Articles as one of many vehicles to acquire backlinks to raise their sites on the SERPs. This includes sending the same article to thousands of directories, spinning articles, automated submission tools and all the rest. After a while some SEOs bypass Ezine Articles altogther because they have their own, alternative and less spammy resources to do the work.

If much of the traffic is lost to Ezine Articles Adsense, the Article Marketer who is trying to get traffic from Ezine Articles is not being efficient is he (or she)? I think the game has moved on in the last few years. More competition means Ezine Articles are harder to rank and to top it up, Ezine Articles have decided to cover themselves head to toe in Adsense (that was not the case previously).

Again I realise this is slightly of tangent as the origional post is to with backlinking Ezine, but regardless of whether there is backlinks or no, if traffic is coming to their site Ezine are delighted because it is making them money.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Even if the leaks amounted to 90%, the remaining 10% would still be something for nothing, wouldn't it?

Looks at it this way: I can have my articles (a) on my site and in EZA and on other people's sites, or I can have them (b) on my site and in EZA and not on other people's sites.

However many imperfections one finds with "other people's sites" it's not going to make (b) worse than (a), is it?

All subjective really but to counter "leaks" and for efficiency one can say why not just build everything on your sites as the primary traffic receving element? But that is just one of many ways to skin a cat.

[inter123]

I apologise for making assumptions and that is wrong on my part.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Who said I don't have those resources? You appear to be assuming an awful lot about me without any information at all.

I have been doing other IM activites and was looking at Article Marketing to diversify. Still in the early stages as I have only submitted a few articles to Ezine and was pondering how to proceed further.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

You mentioned you wanted to go into article marketing. If so why are you saying I'm wrong based on your opinions when in this thread, you said this...

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I guess if you are involved in JV much of the potential problems of relying on others become no more.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

My aim is to promote affiliate products now. I have done and plan to in others, in my long term plan, to create my own products. What's to say the less monetary sites can't JV with me on them? What's to say my sites don't become the authority sites?

[DireStraits]

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Agreed, I've just been talking about backlinks. On a Sunday morning.

Heh. I got up this morning - without a hangover for once - logged on here, and for some reason it was all a little bit too much for me, too.

So I went for a nice day out at the seaside, and to see my grandma.

I think we could all do to be taking more Sunday's off. Feels gooooood.

Time for a nice curry and a movie marathon.

[designerjack]

Can you give us the post to the article you found? Let's see what we're working with.

Also, I think if you build about 20 quality backlinks and linking to articles, you'll be okay to out rank it