Google Keywords Order

[Nerfd]

Hi Guys, long time lurker here.
I've usually been able to find answers to all my questions after I started a few months ago, but this one has me stumped. It might be a little hard to explain.

Ok for example:
Lets say I have the domain Dogshairdog.com
And I see in google keywords that:
Dogshair dog has 200k monthly
dog dogshair has the exact same.
Dogs hair dog also has the exact same

Dogs hair dogs has something like 2 million

For the sake of the argument lets assume that dogshair is a word, and is used frequently.

Now from a SEO point of view, should I leave the title of my page to be Dogshair dog (The order words appear in the URL) Or would google rank the page no differently if I made dog dogshair my title.

Cliffs:
If my URL is (Phrase 1)(Phrase 2).com
Will google rank me equally if the title and all info on the page has its name as (Phrase 2)(Phrase 1) rather than the way it appears in the URL?

Thanks a heap for any help

[Neil M]

Originally Posted by Nerfd

Hi Guys, long time lurker here.
I've usually been able to find answers to all my questions after I started a few months ago, but this one has me stumped. It might be a little hard to explain.

Ok for example:
Lets say I have the domain Dogshairdog.com
And I see in google keywords that:
Dogshair dog has 200k monthly
dog dogshair has the exact same.
Dogs hair dog also has the exact same

Dogs hair dogs has something like 2 million

For the sake of the argument lets assume that dogshair is a word, and is used frequently.

Now from a SEO point of view, should I leave the title of my page to be Dogshair dog (The order words appear in the URL) Or would google rank the page no differently if I made dog dogshair my title.

Cliffs:
If my URL is (Phrase 1)(Phrase 2).com
Will google rank me equally if the title and all info on the page has its name as (Phrase 2)(Phrase 1) rather than the way it appears in the URL?

Thanks a heap for any help

Really I don't think it matters much how you order the phrases. What matters is you on page seo and anchor text. Really the anchor text more than anything. As long as you have plenty of backlinks with each phrase as the anchor text you will do fine.

What I also do is I make a category for each keyword I am targeting, then at least one post for each with proper keyword density. So no matter how you arranged the phrases in the domain name you would have them in the url.

A really good example of how much the anchor text plays a role is the George Bush Bomb. If you search "google bomb" you can find it. Basically some sneaky guys were able to rank the George Bush page on whitehouse.gov #1 for "miserable failure" despite the fact that the word miserable failure was nowhere on the page. It's all about your anchor text.

Biggest thing I can say is don't sweat the small stuff like that. Just get a domain that's decent, build a category and page for each keyword in the site, and build plenty of backlinks with each keyword in the anchor text and you will rank fine.

Hope that helps!

[Nerfd]

Thanks for the help. I guess that is what I will do, the way I wanted it already had the URL taken so I couldn't get it, but I suppose if it makes little difference I can just change my title.

Thanks again

[ebonynarron]

Honestly, the Dogshair dog doens't sound good as title. But, if you can make it rank for your site then make it just a secondary keyword.

[Neil M]

Originally Posted by Nerfd

Thanks for the help. I guess that is what I will do, the way I wanted it already had the URL taken so I couldn't get it, but I suppose if it makes little difference I can just change my title.

Thanks again

Your welcome. Like I said I don't think it matters much. Some of my domains are ranking for completely unrelated keywords because a I have it like blahblahblah.com/keyword/keyword. Good luck to you man. You may want to check out the thread in my title. My partner and I are running an SEO experiment that may help with learning some of the in's and outs.

[Neil M]

One more thing is are you making sure that you are looking at the "exact" search numbers. Make sure you aren't looking at the "broad" numbers because that can really skew your numbers.

[Nerfd]

If you mean "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms" They yes I have been doing that.

I've just been getting into wordpress for the first time with this site, and it has in some ways been good and bad. Quite easy to do, but I cant do things such as Re-arrange the order of the title from

(Tagline)-(Site Title) to (Site Title)-(Tagline) which i would imagine would be better since the title is my keywords.

[raviv]

To me dog dogshair sounds totally incorrigible. I cannot even make out what you are going to do on a page with such a title.

It is to be noted that at the end of the day it is a human that is going to buy your product or sign up for the newsletter, not a search engine bot.

You may rank all that you want at the top of all the SERPS but conversions will suck if you are going to use this phrase (in any order) throughout your page copy. My honest opinion

Best
Raviv

[Cantbedone!]

Originally Posted by Nerfd

If you mean "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms" They yes I have been doing that.

SOmeone correct me if i am wrong but if you are looking for the exact matches search function in the keyword tool, "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms" is not it.

After you run a keyword search, look in the left hand column of the page (sidebar). Scroll down if needed. You will see three options with checkboxes: Broad, [exact] and "Phrase". Uncheck the box next to broad and check the box next to exact. This will give you the numbers for exact searches performed for the keywords.