Im sorry but the sandbox does exist!

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Depends, it's apparent you didn't follow links in this thread.

Wow... you mean the one link you have going to another thread that basically has the same topic? What links? lol... your signature? WHAT links?

Obviously this is getting pointless. You believe in imaginary friends, santa, ghosts, the google sandbox, and I don't. So since I don't live in your fictional fantasy, I know nothing about SEO. Okay.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Well I never thought the SANDBOX did exist .. but perhaps after you get to page 5 - the end of the article here you may re think your position ...

I dunno ....

NYT Outs another website ... a big one ... you or Id be DEAD but a multi million dollar adwords client - sent to the woodshed for a lesson. After they made a few extra $ of course ....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/bu...arch.html?_r=1


"He noted, too, that before The Times presented evidence of the paid links to JCPenney.com, Google had just begun to roll out an algorithm change that had a negative effect on Penney’s search results. (The tweak affected “how we trust links,” Mr. Cutts said, declining to elaborate.)

True, JCPenney.com’s showing in Google searches had declined slightly by Feb. 8, as the algorithm change began to take effect. In “comforter sets,” Penney went from No. 1 to No. 7. In “sweater dresses,” from No. 1 to No. 10.

But the real damage to Penney’s results began when Google started that “manual action.” The decline can be charted: On Feb. 1, the average Penney position for 59 search terms was 1.3.

On Feb. 8, when the algorithm was changing, it was 4.

By Feb. 10, it was 52."

And oddly enough ... a lot of my sites were hit either a little bit 4-5 spots or whacked 5o or so spots on a few and 100+ on some others [ new and franky they likely deserve that ]

Not bitching about that - but its just interesting ...

See, and I agree with that one hundred percent, and maybe we're arguing over definition here and what means what. I believe you can be punished, or inadvertently effected by updates to the algorithm. I don't believe that change in SERPs is related to sites being put in the sand box.

What I understand the sandbox to mean is being deindexed and thrown out of the SERPs entirely.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

See, and I agree with that one hundred percent, and maybe we're arguing over definition here and what means what. I believe you can be punished, or inadvertently effected by updates to the algorithm. I don't believe that change in SERPs is related to sites being put in the sand box.

What I understand the sandbox to mean is being deindexed and thrown out of the SERPs entirely.

See, this is why you don't know **** about SEO.

Sandbox does NOT and has NEVER meant being deindexed.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

See, this is why you don't know **** about SEO.

Sandbox does NOT and has NEVER meant being deindexed.

Sandbox effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Google...st?&id=3704864
Google Sandbox: Frequently Asked Questions
Google Sandbox Defined

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

See, this is why you don't know **** about SEO.

Sandbox does NOT and has NEVER meant being deindexed.

Then you have a lot of people on this forum that disagree with you.

I don't believe you really know what you're talking about... for someone who is so wonderful with SEO you have lousy traffic rating on your sites.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Then you have a lot of people on this forum that disagree with you.

I don't believe you really know what you're talking about... for someone who is so wonderful with SEO you have lousy traffic rating on your sites.

Oh, Irony, how I love thee.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Well I never thought the SANDBOX did exist .. but perhaps after you get to page 5 - the end of the article here you may re think your position ...

I dunno ....

NYT Outs another website ... a big one ... you or Id be DEAD but a multi million dollar adwords client - sent to the woodshed for a lesson. After they made a few extra $ of course ....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/bu...arch.html?_r=1


"He noted, too, that before The Times presented evidence of the paid links to JCPenney.com, Google had just begun to roll out an algorithm change that had a negative effect on Penney’s search results. (The tweak affected “how we trust links,” Mr. Cutts said, declining to elaborate.)

True, JCPenney.com’s showing in Google searches had declined slightly by Feb. 8, as the algorithm change began to take effect. In “comforter sets,” Penney went from No. 1 to No. 7. In “sweater dresses,” from No. 1 to No. 10.

But the real damage to Penney’s results began when Google started that “manual action.” The decline can be charted: On Feb. 1, the average Penney position for 59 search terms was 1.3.

On Feb. 8, when the algorithm was changing, it was 4.

By Feb. 10, it was 52."

And oddly enough ... a lot of my sites were hit either a little bit 4-5 spots or whacked 5o or so spots on a few and 100+ on some others [ new and franky they likely deserve that ]

Not bitching about that - but its just interesting ...

This doesn't seem like much of anything new going on here. Google found web spam and devalued it. The only difference is that a major newspaper reported it in their paper rather than through Google's Web Spam reporting tool. J C Penny's website is NOT penalized, it still ranks #1 for many, many terms.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by dburk

This doesn't seem like much of anything new going on here. Google found web spam and devalued it. The only difference is that a major newspaper reported it in their paper rather than through Google's Web Spam reporting tool. J C Penny's website is NOT penalized, it still ranks #1 for many, many terms.

Agreed.....

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Sandbox effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Google...st?&id=3704864
Google Sandbox: Frequently Asked Questions
Google Sandbox Defined

Santa Claus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://ezinearticles.com/?Santa-Clau...ion&id=5386351
Proof that Santa Exists — Susiej
Scientist offers mathematical proof Santa exists - thestar.com

Do you think I really care about the links you just posted? What evidence does that show? lol... I can create articles, press releases, wikipedia page on why the sandbox doesn't exist.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Santa Claus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://ezinearticles.com/?Santa-Clau...ion&id=5386351
Proof that Santa Exists — Susiej
Scientist offers mathematical proof Santa exists - thestar.com

Do you think I really care about the links you just posted? What evidence does that show? lol... I can create articles, press releases, wikipedia page on why the sandbox doesn't exist.

****, you're simplistic. Those links were to help you define what the "google sandbox" is, Turbo.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

****, you're simplistic. Those links were to help you define what the "google sandbox" is, Turbo.

And those links were so you can see santa exists. Using those four letter words doesn't sound like you're gunna be on the nice list.

Those sites would have been helpful if they were actually from google itself. OR, if they even stayed consistent with the definition.

How about this Mr. SEO authority.... YOU tell me what YOU think the sandbox is.

The funniest thing about this, is that you try cutting me down saying I know nothing about SEO. Cool, okay, well why don't you try to explain something YOURSELF! Tell me what YOUR belief is on what the definition of sandbox is. Tell me YOUR proof that the sandbox even exists. We aren't talking about difference in SERPs one day from another, that is NORMAL. If you have over 100 different sites, you would know that. Quick linking and quit saying what all your SEO idols say about a subject, and you explain it to me in your own words instead of being fed by whatever sites you've bookmarked.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

And those links were so you can see santa exists. Using those four letter words doesn't sound like you're gunna be on the nice list.

Those sites would have been helpful if they were actually from google itself. OR, if they even stayed consistent with the definition.

How about this Mr. SEO authority.... YOU tell me what YOU think the sandbox is.

The funniest thing about this, is that you try cutting me down saying I know nothing about SEO. Cool, okay, well why don't you try to explain something YOURSELF! Tell me what YOUR belief is on what the definition of sandbox is. Tell me YOUR proof that the sandbox even exists. We aren't talking about difference in SERPs one day from another, that is NORMAL. If you have over 100 different sites, you would know that. Quick linking and quit saying what all your SEO idols say about a subject, and you explain it to me in your own words instead of being fed by whatever sites you've bookmarked.

Over 100 sites? I have over 3000 sites.

The sandbox definition isn't up for interpretation, the one's who coined the term gave the definition themselves on the link I showed you. My views, and everyone else that has the slightest clue with SEO, are in line with the definition of "google sandbox" as defined above.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Over 100 sites? I have over 3000 sites.

The sandbox definition isn't up for interpretation, the one's who coined the term gave the definition themselves on the link I showed you. My views, and everyone else that has the slightest clue with SEO, are in line with the definition of "google sandbox" as defined above.

LOL!!! Yes, you have 3,000 sites. I believe you.

MAN, you REALLY are living in a fantasy world. You keep on believing in your sandbox. Maybe you can play with your barbies and the tooth fairy in there.

I guess there is really no point on debating with a child.

P.S. I clicked on your signature links, don't get excited for having a unique visitor for both your sites when you check your analytics, it was just me.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

LOL!!! Yes, you have 3,000 sites. I believe you.

MAN, you REALLY are living in a fantasy world. You keep on believing in your sandbox. Maybe you can play with your barbies and the tooth fairy in there.

I guess there is really no point on debating with a child.

P.S. I clicked on your signature links, don't get excited for having a unique visitor for both your sites when you check your analytics, it was just me.

Sure, you just keep checking those Alexa ranks!

And, yes, over 3000 sites to cover about 15 niches. I've been doing this **** for 7 years. Having such an amount of sites is hardly uncommon in SEO, especially for someone who has been doing it for 7 years.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Sure, you just keep checking those Alexa ranks!

And, yes, over 3000 sites to cover about 15 niches. I've been doing this **** for 7 years. Having such an amount of sites is hardly uncommon in SEO, especially for someone who has been doing it for 7 years.

1 site a day, for 7 years.

365 X 7 = 2555

Do you by chance do SEO for a psychiatrist? You should consider doing it for trade of services.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

1 site a day, for 7 years.

365 X 7 = 2555

Do you by chance do SEO for a psychiatrist? You should consider doing it for trade of services.

I typically buy about 50 domains per month.

[Mike Grant]

Not so far fetched as you seem to believe.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

I typically buy about 50 domains per month.

Yeah, great... but you don't have over 3,000 websites, stop lying.

I have about 4-5 websites I want to build for myself this year, but haven't been able to do yet. You can't tell me you run a business and can build a website a day. No way.

If you would have kept with your story about having 100 sites.. then yeah maybe... I think its cute posting threads about how to work wordpress too about a year ago and still claim to have 3,000 + sites.

You're full of it, and opinion means absolutely nothing to me now. Well, it didn't mean much before anyway.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Not so far fetched as you seem to believe.

Yep and I believe that, I believe him, he is CREDIBLE, unlike yourself. I 100% believe matt has over 500 sites... I personally know people that have over 500 sites. You are not one of them lol.

I have a client that has about 600 sites... only about 300 are developed, and out of those 300 he only will keep about 30-50 of them.

I really doubt you have 3,000 websites, or even 3,000 domains for that matter. I truly don't believe you're paying 30,000+ a year for domains, and what about hosting? You're looking at about 60k-70k total. I simply don't believe you, I think you're just trying to pretend you're some bigshot posting on a forum, but you're not.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Yeah, great... but you don't have over 3,000 websites, stop lying.

I have about 4-5 websites I want to build for myself this year, but haven't been able to do yet. You can't tell me you run a business and can build a website a day. No way.

If you would have kept with your story about having 100 sites.. then yeah maybe... I think its cute posting threads about how to work wordpress too about a year ago and still claim to have 3,000 + sites.

You're full of it, and opinion means absolutely nothing to me now. Well, it didn't mean much before anyway.

Most of my sites are strictly HTML/PHP. Why would I want to use a platform that has constant updates on both the platform itself and the plugins? That'd be a damn nightmare.

I've about 150 or so WP sites. I don't mind showing a screencap of those. No biggy to me.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Yep and I believe that, I believe him, he is CREDIBLE, unlike yourself. I 100% believe matt has over 500 sites... I personally know people that have over 500 sites. You are not one of them lol.

I have a client that has about 600 sites... only about 300 are developed, and out of those 300 he only will keep about 30-50 of them.

I really doubt you have 3,000 websites, or even 3,000 domains for that matter. I truly don't believe you're paying 30,000+ a year for domains, and what about hosting? You're looking at about 60k-70k total. I simply don't believe you, I think you're just trying to pretend you're some bigshot posting on a forum, but you're not.

You didn't read the thread. He has over 2000 sites.

Overall, I paid about $26k in domains over 7 years.

I host about 20 sites on each hosting account, something like 165 accounts or around that. My hosting bill each month is about $3800.

You're looking at the numbers wrong, though. Would you pay $26k in domains over 7 years and $3800/mo in hosting if it meant you were more than tripling your expenditures? As said before, my 15 Adsense sites make over 9k/mo alone. That doesn't include my CPA sites, that doesn't include my consulting, and it also doesn't include a new startup I'm doing now in the design field. You can talk to John Durham about that last point.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Most of my sites are strictly HTML/PHP. Why would I want to use a platform that has constant updates on both the platform itself and the plugins? That'd be a damn nightmare.

I've about 150 or so WP sites. I don't mind showing a screencap of those. No biggy to me.

That would be a nightmare. But 3,000.. I still don't see that.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

You didn't read the thread. He has over 2000 sites.

Overall, I paid about $26k in domains over 7 years.

I host about 20 sites on each hosting account, something like 165 accounts or around that. My hosting bill each month is about $3800.

You're looking at the numbers wrong, though. Would you pay $26k in domains over 7 years and $3800/mo in hosting if it meant you were more than tripling your expenditures? As said before, my 15 Adsense sites make over 9k/mo alone. That doesn't include my CPA sites, that doesn't include my consulting, and it also doesn't include a new startup I'm doing now in the design field. You can talk to John Durham about that last point.

No, I understand that completely, more sites will mean more money, I just don't believe you have that much time available to build a site a day.

See, I just don't believe you and it isn't personal. Don't take it that way, I just think you're lying because in other threads you stated you make 600 a month from adsense.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

That would be a nightmare. But 3,000.. I still don't see that.



No, I understand that completely, more sites will mean more money, I just don't believe you have that much time available to build a site a day.

See, I just don't believe you and it isn't personal. Don't take it that way, I just think you're lying because in other threads you stated you make 600 a month from adsense.

Reread those threads. I specifically claimed it was $600/mo per site. 15 sites. That's over $9k/mo. Just like I said earlier.

I typically don't build the sites myself. I've about 3 full-time VAs from the Philippines that do the grunt work. I pay them $400/mo each.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Reread those threads. I specifically claimed it was $600/mo per site. 15 sites. That's over $9k/mo. Just like I said earlier.

I typically don't build the sites myself. I've about 3 full-time VAs from the Philippines that do the grunt work. I pay them $400/mo each.

Why are you trying to defend yourself to me? Unless I see your godaddy account or if I cared to do a whois and trace by your adsense ID I won't believe you. I hired a VA from the philippines and can say that there is no way they would be able to develop that many sites either.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Why are you trying to defend yourself to me? Unless I see your godaddy account or if I cared to do a whois and trace by your adsense ID I won't believe you. I hired a VA from the philippines and can say that there is no way they would be able to develop that many sites either.

Because the race wasn't too fun to watch and you're comic relief between building sites myself. Yes I build sites on the weekend.

Then you need to hire a new worker. If you're worker cannot build 1.5 sites per day, then he isn't worth crap. I can pump out a niche site in about 15 minutes.

Good luck tracing Adsense accounts that are mine. Multiple Adsense IDs, various hosts = different IP and data center, and none attached to either server in my sig.

[Mike Grant]

Alright, I'm off.

On an honest note, it seems you're quite new to SEO. Shoot me a PM if you have questions and I'll try to help you.

Have a good night.

[SmarteRE]

If you have a brand new domain you should add just a few things at a time at first. Once you get it seeded than you can move much faster. Always think naturally. I mean really how could something like 6,000 profiles in 2 days be natural?

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Because the race wasn't too fun to watch and you're comic relief between building sites myself. Yes I build sites on the weekend.

Then you need to hire a new worker. If you're worker cannot build 1.5 sites per day, then he isn't worth crap. I can pump out a niche site in about 15 minutes.

Good luck tracing Adsense accounts that are mine. Multiple Adsense IDs, various hosts = different IP and data center, and none attached to either server in my sig.

Oh, so 15 minutes you can install wordpress. Congrats. I build REAL sites not sites MFA. This is what I get paid most for, and it isn't possible to give high quality sites in just a day. In fact, communication with the client and just answering general questions will take a week. Applying changes they'd like, it isn't simple script installment.

Just another thing that shows you're a liar. lol.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Alright, I'm off.

On an honest note, it seems you're quite new to SEO. Shoot me a PM if you have questions and I'll try to help you.

Have a good night.

Thanks, but you never have proved anything in this entire thread. I'm not sure why you think you are an authority figure of any kind?

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Oh, so 15 minutes you can install wordpress. Congrats. I build REAL sites not sites MFA. This is what I get paid most for, and it isn't possible to give high quality sites in just a day. In fact, communication with the client and just answering general questions will take a week. Applying changes they'd like, it isn't simple script installment.

Just another thing that shows you're a liar. lol.



Thanks, but you never have proved anything in this entire thread. I'm not sure why you think you are an authority figure of any kind?

Didn't I already tell you I really only use HTML/PHP sites? Didn't I tell you I only had 15 Adsense sites? Obviously they're not MFA if they don't have Adsense on it. The content is already written for me, so yes, I can do it in 15 minutes. I never said I build my client's sites in 15 minutes.

You're looking for every little thing you can, and you're failing miserably.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Didn't I already tell you I really only use HTML/PHP sites? Didn't I tell you I only had 15 Adsense sites? Obviously they're not MFA if they don't have Adsense on it. The content is already written for me, so yes, I can do it in 15 minutes. I never said I build my client's sites in 15 minutes.

You're looking for every little thing you can, and you're failing miserably.

Dude, you're the one desperately trying to prove your case, I honestly don't care because I believe you're a liar.

You said you had 15 adsense sites making 600 a month each site, but in another thread its different.

No, you can not get sites up in 15 minutes if it is custom html and php. It would take 15 minutes alone to modify a template with TEXT. I seriously doubt it. You don't have 3,000 websites, you aren't making $600 a month with adsense PER site. In fact... I doubt you even know any PHP the way this is turning out. Just another lie to feed your online ego.

I really don't care what you have to say, because you STILL have yet to prove ANYTHING!

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Dude, you're the one desperately trying to prove your case, I honestly don't care because I believe you're a liar.

You said you had 15 adsense sites making 600 a month each site, but in another thread its different.

No, you can not get sites up in 15 minutes if it is custom html and php. It would take 15 minutes alone to modify a template with TEXT. I seriously doubt it. You don't have 3,000 websites, you aren't making $600 a month with adsense PER site. In fact... I doubt you even know any PHP the way this is turning out. Just another lie to feed your online ego.

I really don't care what you have to say, because you STILL have yet to prove ANYTHING!

LMAO I love it.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

LMAO I love it.

Ask any developer, anyone that really makes a website. You can't even get a graphic in 15 minutes. I'm glad you love it, I love it too. I think its funny when people try to boost their online persona.

STILL.... you don't post any proof. What a joke..

[petesankey]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi TomBuck,

I'm sorry, nothing in your post suggests the existence of a sandbox. Without having any specific details I could only guess why your rankings are dropping.

My first guess would be your original rankings are from the temporary boost of QDF. Now that the QDF boost is wearing off, your page is sinking to it's currently earned ranking.

My second guess would be that your "aggressive" promoting is low quality web spam and you are beginning to see it devalued.

Of course, if it makes you feel better to think of you webpage in a sandbox, go ahead, just realize it is figment of your imagination.

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Over 100 sites? I have over 3000 sites.

The sandbox definition isn't up for interpretation, the one's who coined the term gave the definition themselves on the link I showed you. My views, and everyone else that has the slightest clue with SEO, are in line with the definition of "google sandbox" as defined above.

Well that and as with any word or phrase it changes as people use it. So this "there is no sandbox" is just semantics. The Op is talking about a kind of penalty as HE sees it (penalty is another semantic word people whine about but if your site goes from a money position to nowhere it isn't a reward now is it?)

Bad news about all this high profile press with JC Penney etc is that it really does force Google to make changes. Been seeing some changes its just hard to say that its an algo change because things happen without that anyway.

As for the OPs situation it isn't really unique. this is about the forth or fifth thread I can remember this argument breaking out and in many of the cases the sites didn't come back and some times they did.


Time will tell but the "build lots more backlinks" doesn't always work.

[paulgl]

But remember, put JCP in perspective. The links worked. For 2-3 months.
Google got wind of it, and devalued the links, dropping the site to
where it would naturally be. To me, that's not a penalty, it's putting the
site where it belongs in the first place, some backlinks ignored.

Having your site sit where it should be in relation to the other sites
is not a sandbox.

Having an artificial bump taken away is not a penalty. It's leveling the
field, let the chips fall where they may. JCP only got this treatment
due to publicity.

Paul

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