Google Allintitle inconsistent results

[ankur420420]

Hi Warriors

I was just doing some keyword research and came across this

Does the allintitle give you inconsistent results sometimes?

I tried it for the keyword “targeted email marketing” and it was 4740 results on Friday and today it gives 35,100 results today

Have you come across this before?

Try this allintitle:"hedge fund management" , gives 52000 results…now go to the 20th page and it gives 209 results

Moreover, the number sometimes changes after 15 minutes too.


thanks
Ankur

[snginnovations]

I believe the allintitle is a guesstimate and not an accurate number. You never know until you click through all the pages...

[ankur420420]

Thanks buddy

I appreciate that

But if it gives such a large difference in the numbers, then should we give a lot of importance to allintitle?

4000 and 52000 is a lot of difference

Moreover, what does the number on the last page signify?.....209 in this case

should 209 be taken into consideration?

Ankur

[snginnovations]

Yes I think 209 is the accurate number. It's a guesstimate on google's part until you get through all the results. The computer power required to do a query like that is too performance intensive so it's a guesstimate until you force the right result - 209 in this case.

[ankur420420]

Does this mean that there are only 209 pages using hedge fund management in their title?

Do I only have to compete against these?

thanks
Ankur

[DPWeb]

Sometimes Google will output different results if you leave a space between the : and "keyword"

That might be why you are seeing different results.

[ankur420420]

Originally Posted by DPWeb

Sometimes Google will output different results if you leave a space between the : and "keyword"

That might be why you are seeing different results.

Hey buddy....I tried it your way too.......this didn't made any difference ...

Did it make any difference when you tried it?

[wsotoolz]

Did you maybe forget the quotes on the one search? That could make a big difference.

I have been using the number on the last page of google results a lot more to judge competition.

I notice that you can get different allintitle results from google even if you hit different google servers but they are not usually that much different.

[ankur420420]

Originally Posted by wordpress_seo

Did you maybe forget the quotes on the one search? That could make a big difference.

I have been using the number on the last page of google results a lot more to judge competition.

I notice that you can get different allintitle results from google even if you hit different google servers but they are not usually that much different.

Thanks buddy

I checked it many times and I didn't forgot the quotes any time

The last page has a very very low number than the first page....and what does the number on the first page mean at all in this case?

Accessing different servers gives slightly different numbers but the numbers are not slightly different in my case....they are hugely different

thanks
Ankur

[garben2011]

Hello.

Yes, I have encountered this many many times.

I've actually asked this question to people pitching various keyword research tools asking them how they consider this to be useful when the numbers always increase after you perform such a search? ha ha

This is my own thinking on the matter and it may be entirely wrong.

I perform a search for what appears to be a good target keyword for seo purposes and I see less than 10,000 results (often less than 1,000 results).

Then a day or two later (sometimes just an hour later) I performed the same search just to confirm the earlier stats... and I see the 10,000 has changed to 57,000 or 761 results had changed to 31,000.

I am not certain... and this is where my opinion floats into this post... but I kind of looked at it this way: when I performed those searches and discovered a very low amount of results I think this scenario possibly triggered a sort of flag in Google's search engine system that caused them to launch a sort of mini process to locate more pages (options) to return to their users.

I just view this stuff from a software engineer's perspective and I have made systems do things like this in the past. When a user mined for data that very few results were available for... I'd trigger a backend processing job to go out and do a more thorough search, locate more records that were relevant for the search and tagged those additional records as being relevant. This way it is much more efficient because the system only does this work when it sees there is a need. It responds to demand. I think it is quite possible Google has implemented a similar mechanism.

Again, I do not know for sure that is what happens. I am just saying such an approach from a software system engineering perspective makes a lot of sense. Respond to the demand (an incoming search) by rebuilding that particular search index.

I rarely use keywords in quotes or the allintitle search these days for this reason. I figure every time I run such a search I am triggering a reassessment and therefore these numbers are also kind of useless although we are all possibly helping Google to fill in the gaps in their search engine indices.

Now, I just do a combination of two things: first looking at the pages that appear in the first three pages of results for the normal (no quotes) search for the keyword... those are the true competition... and if I really want to have a clue as to how many there are (which is not nearly as useful as knowing the strength of the pages ranking in the top 30 in my opinion) I just do the search in quotes and flip through the results until I reach the very last page which always says something along the lines of In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 82 already displayed.

Anyway, all of that long ramble was simply to say... yep, I have experienced the same thing.

Originally Posted by ankur420420

Hi Warriors

I was just doing some keyword research and came across this

Does the allintitle give you inconsistent results sometimes?

I tried it for the keyword “targeted email marketing” and it was 4740 results on Friday and today it gives 35,100 results today

Have you come across this before?

Try this allintitle:"hedge fund management" , gives 52000 results…now go to the 20th page and it gives 209 results

Moreover, the number sometimes changes after 15 minutes too.

thanks
Ankur

[ankur420420]

Originally Posted by garben2011

I am not certain... and this is where my opinion floats into this post... but I kind of looked at it this way: when I performed those searches and discovered a very low amount of results I think this scenario possibly triggered a sort of flag in Google's search engine system that caused them to launch a sort of mini process to locate more pages (options) to return to their users.

I just view this stuff from a software engineer's perspective and I have made systems do things like this in the past. When a user mined for data that very few results were available for... I'd trigger a backend processing job to go out and do a more thorough search, locate more records that were relevant for the search and tagged those additional records as being relevant. This way it is much more efficient because the system only does this work when it sees there is a need. It responds to demand. I think it is quite possible Google has implemented a similar mechanism.

Thanks a lot buddy

I liked the "software engineering perspective" of yours

It makes me imagine a few things myself too

Ankur

[Khadaji]

I wrote an article about this topic: Google Lies To You! - Intel by khadaji - Qondio United States. It's a good idea to jump to the last page if the number of competing websites is important for you to more accurately determine.

There's even a search parameter you can enter to get to the last page, I recall reading about it, but I don't have it. Anyone know it?

[ankur420420]

Originally Posted by Khadaji

There's even a search parameter you can enter to get to the last page, I recall reading about it, but I don't have it. Anyone know it?

Interesting article on your site

I would love to know this search parameter too

thanks
Ankur

[Terry Hatfield]

when you do an allintitle search do it without quotes like this:

allintitle:hedge fund management

if you do it in quotes like this:

allintitle:"hedge fund management"

then you will get the same results as if you just did an intitle search, you are basically doing an intitle:"hedge fund management" command because it is like searching for the phrase instead of checking for individual words.

The allintitle without quotes is just a preliminary test, even if the number comes back low then you still need to look at the strenght of competition of the results on the first page to detemine if you can beat them.

I found when using allintitle without quotes there is no need to go to the last page of the results and get that number, I just use the number it shows on the first page as a rough estimate.

Hope that helps some.

Later,
Terry

[George Katsoudas]

One thing I have found is that the allintitle: attribute can be inconsistent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

For example, if I search for:

allintitle:"build muscle" "fast ways"

... I may get different results than if I typed:

intitle:"build muscle" intitle:"fast ways"

This is just an example of course.

I personally like to force the intitle:attribute for every phrase I want to see in the title separately.

[ankur420420]

@Terry :

Thanks for the reply but allintitle without quotes will always give a larger number

Moreover, for each of the following cases, we will have to go to the last page

allintitle:hedge fund management 63,000 results

allintitle:"hedge fund management" 21,500 results

intitle:hedge fund management 1,490,000 results



@George:

Thanks for the reply but I got the following

allintitle:"build muscle" "fast ways" 90 results

intitle:"build muscle" intitle:"fast ways" 90 results same answer in both the cases

Moreover, could you please tell how does the intitle search help us?

Maybe I am missing something

thanks
Ankur

[wsotoolz]

Originally Posted by ankur420420

Interesting article on your site

I would love to know this search parameter too

thanks
Ankur

To get to the last page to get the "Real Competition" or "True Competition"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=test+keyword&start=990&num=10

This specifies 10 results per page and will take you to the very last page. This works even if there are not 990-1000 results. Google never will return more then 1000 results.

[ankur420420]

Originally Posted by wordpress_seo

To get to the last page to get the "Real Competition" or "True Competition"

This specifies 10 results per page and will take you to the very last page. This works even if there are not 990-1000 results. Google never will return more then 1000 results.

Hey thanks a lot buddy

This is for the last page of the regular results

Moreover, could you please tell how to apply this for allintitle results?

thanks
Ankur

[wsotoolz]

REALLY! I never thought of that. My program AIS does all this stuff but it doesn't do that. I am totally going to add this in.

 http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=allintitle:"test+keyword"&start=990&num=10

[ankur420420]

Originally Posted by wordpress_seo

REALLY! I never thought of that. My program AIS does all this stuff but it doesn't do that. I am totally going to add this in.

So you should thank me now?

thanks
Ankur

[wsotoolz]

Originally Posted by ankur420420

So you should thank me now?

thanks
Ankur

Yes... I totally forget about that thanks button sometimes...

Anyways, AIS already had the last page results bit for regular searches but no one ever mentioned using it for allintitle, allinanchor or allinurl. I mean my head is kind of spinning. It is kind of like allintitle on crack when you think about it... don't be surprised if I use that line later in my advertising... I really like it Having the capability to those numbers on hundreds of keywords in a matter of minutes is huge... at least in my mind.

Thanks again for the idea!
Joe

[ankur420420]

Glad to know that my thread atleast helped somebody in someway

thanks
Ankur

[Terry Hatfield]

[QUOTE=ankur420420;3446559][B]@Terry :

Thanks for the reply but allintitle without quotes will always give a larger number

Moreover, for each of the following cases, we will have to go to the last page

allintitle:hedge fund management 63,000 results

allintitle:"hedge fund management" 21,500 results

intitle:hedge fund management 1,490,000 results



Hi,

Regardless if it is a larger number returned, allintitle without quotes is what you should use. I thoroughly tested it on a few hundred of my sites.

The sites I ranked the easiest for had the lowest allintitle without quotes. I checked allintitle with quotes, without quotes and allintitle on my sites.

The allintitle without quotes won hands down as the most accurate way to check competition.

But honestly, like I said, that is just a preliminary test and you need to analyze the top ranking sites to determine the real competition.

But do it anyway you like, but I went through a lot of sites to determine allintitle without quotes is best.

Later,
Terry

[wsotoolz]

Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield

Hi,

Regardless if it is a larger number returned, allintitle without quotes is what you should use. I thoroughly tested it on a few hundred of my sites.

The sites I ranked the easiest for had the lowest allintitle without quotes. I checked allintitle with quotes, without quotes and allintitle on my sites.

The allintitle without quotes won hands down as the most accurate way to check competition.

But honestly, like I said, that is just a preliminary test and you need to analyze the top ranking sites to determine the real competition.

But do it anyway you like, but I went through a lot of sites to determine allintitle without quotes is best.

Later,
Terry

I agree that you need to consider the top 10 in addition to allintitle. I am curious though if you have a target number then for allintitle without quotes. Mos tof the time I see people say 1,000 allintitle with quotes is easy to rank for. What would be the equivalent to that without quotes?

[George Katsoudas]

Originally Posted by ankur420420

@George:

Thanks for the reply but I got the following

allintitle:"build muscle" "fast ways" 90 results

intitle:"build muscle" intitle:"fast ways" 90 results same answer in both the cases

Moreover, could you please tell how does the intitle search help us?

Maybe I am missing something

thanks
Ankur

The "build muscle" was just an example. In this case, the result is the same. In many cases, it ain't.

For example, sometimes I may search for:

allintitle: keyword1 keyword2

... and some of the results may only have keyword1 OR keyword2 in the title

Using intitle: separately for each term forces Google to return results that include both terms in the title.

[Terry Hatfield]

Originally Posted by wordpress_seo

I agree that you need to consider the top 10 in addition to allintitle. I am curious though if you have a target number then for allintitle without quotes. Mos tof the time I see people say 1,000 allintitle with quotes is easy to rank for. What would be the equivalent to that without quotes?

Hi,

Yes, if you are doing bum marketing using web 2.0 and article sites then 1,000 allintitle without quotes results (this would be the highest number I use) is a good number to use.

I don't use quotes with with allintitle.

If you are building back links then it doesn't really matter, still the lower the number the better.

Later,
Terry

[Dumkist]

It's what is on the first page that matters...and nothing else !

[John Williamson]

Originally Posted by Dumkist

It's what is on the first page that matters...and nothing else !

Exactly! I've been trying to preach this as much as possible. Why do you guys care about or pay attention to allintitle, allinurl, number of competing pages, etc. ? Your competition is what's on page 1! It's like some horrible myth that got started back in the day by some self-proclaimed guru selling an ebook that the number of competing pages, allintitle, etc. should be regarded as significant...