Interesting side-effect after last Google algo change (good times for scrapers! Yes, seriously!)

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

It makes no sense whatsoever to run down an "opportunity" to put up oogles of the same weak content that they are actively looking to target. Nada. So you THINK Autoblogs will escape untouched this time around but the bullseye is still on shoddy content going forward especially the same content

So by saying this you are also stating that EVERY news aggregator site is "shoddy content", or "weak content"....???? Is that what you are really saying? I suppose these "crap" sites are going to be long gone somewhere down the road too???

• Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post
• DRUDGE REPORT 2011®
• The Associated Press | The essential global news network (Associated Press)

Furthermore.....what exactly is Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Ask.com??

That's right. Search engines grab "other people's" content and throw it up on their domains and surround it with advertising.

Hmmmm.......

"Not so sure about your detective work there Lou....."

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Don't try and twist my words George. I point blank said that it made no sense based on the fact that google was still targeting duplicate content sites.

I would want to hear it from Matt Cutt's mouth that the new algo indeed has some more sophisticated "detect dupe" capabilities - but to be honest i don't think so! I really think they only applied a general penalty to all articlebases, EZAs and goarticles and what they consider "content farms". Not more, not less.

The problem of dupe content is still the SAME as it was a year or two ago. You also imply that a autoblog usually uses 1:1 dupes...but only a "dumb" autoblog respective site owner would do so.

There are enough ways to rewrite or re-assemble content...no question with pure dupes you probably wouldnt even get indexed in the first place. ( BUT WAIT..who knows whether the recent change actually now does exactly the opposite and favors YOUR site so you could actually get through with 1:1 dupes? )

Mind you: I NEVER said its a good idea to use dupes <---
I assume a certain "sophistication" of any modern auto blog system which will apply some sort of re-writing!

Furthermore, to get a little more into detail:

Certain content is "excluded" from dupe content penalties (or they apply less weaker in such cases). You are aware that ALL news sites like CNN, MSNBC, BBC whatever get their news from news agencies - often 1:1 using the same words???

CNN or BBC dont get a dupe penalty since the news from news agencies are not prone to get penalized. This just as a side-note.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by TZ

Wow Mikey. You're turning red.

I am? Granted I've smiled to myself a couple times but it gets much more to make me laugh until I turn red.

[BEGIN AD]Yeah, I do think my autoblog is system is better than most, and I know it's way better compared to any autoblog system or formula under $300 bucks. Bang for the buck, I stand firmly behind the value I provide [/END AD]

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So the answer was I'll advertise a couple more times?

So you think I claimed NO-ONE is a programmer here!!!!!! That would be the stupidest assumption possible.

agreed so from page 1 -

Originally Posted by TZ;

The naysayers here are NOT speaking from any position of authority, and I doubt they even know the first thing about writing PHP, ASP, or manipulating Mysql, or Apache.

So by your own words not an intelligent assumption. I don't have time to play around with autoblog scripts mind you . I'm in the middle of helping develop a full content syndication site and service that has alot more PHP going on (SQL server though so it can integrate a little more elegantly with other .net systems running with it). So yes I do know the first thing

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

I have got a very open mind really and I would hold my hands up and admit I was wrong if someone can prove the bold claims about autoblogs made in this thread.

I have even offered to host and donate a domain just to see a small smidgen of what is possible with your great new scripts. Its not me that made these bold claims, I just want to see what you guys can actually do.

I can't see what the problem is.. You won't be revealing any of your sites, it will be a brand new site made by whoever has the balls to step up to the mark and prove their claims about the quality of these new scripts.

So you want to provide the hosting and the domain so I can create you a quality autoblog.

You don't get it Steve and Mike. No one cares about your thousands of posts and all your time here on this forum, and I certainly don't give a sh*t if you believe me when I say that aggregation is a valid method of income generation. Not one little bit do I care.

Twice I posted URLs years ago. One *sshole republished my entire site, and the other f*ckwad went on a clicking rampage on my Adsense ads.

So give it up with prove it crap.

You want income screen shots? You want traffic stat screen shots?

Josh showed you a classic autoblog already, and I know the guy who runs it. Even he thinks that is a dog's breakfast compared to his newer designs.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I am? Granted I've smiled to myself a couple times but it gets much more to make me laugh until I turn red.

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So the answer was I'll advertise a couple more times?

agreed so from page 1 -



So by your own words not an intelligent assumption. I don't have time to play around with autoblog scripts mind you . I'm in the middle of helping develop a full content syndication site and service that has alot more PHP going on (SQL server though so it can integrate a little more elegantly with other .net systems running with it). So yes I do know the first thing

It really bends you up seeing someone who actually mentions their product and is happy with their product - I mean after all, as you mentioned already, this IS an IM forum.

Wow. No-one markets their products here right Mike?

Are you really as pompous as you sound, or are you just off the meds today?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by TZ

• Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post
• DRUDGE REPORT 2011®
• The Associated Press | The essential global news network (Associated Press)

All three of those create a good deal of their own content. You just shot yourself in the foot. No one in this thread has knocked syndication but trying to compare autoblogs to MSNBC etc isn't going to work.

[OrganicSeoGuru]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

Proof:

Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

HILARIOUS!

We are just at the beginning of the dance,
My hub sites that are very tightly aligned and have strong link profiles have seen a nearly 2 times increase in organic traffic. Looking back over the last few months the testing phase of the algo has become very apparent.

I will guess this algo will be re-evaluated as we move forward, but once again there are several variables.

[Steve Crooks]

Wow! You can write well. Your talents are wasted on autoblogging.

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

Sometimes, when dealing with a particularly difficult situation, you may be tempted to resort to sarcasm. That's a really great idea. Sarcasm works well in online media, because it's easy to pick up on without all of those pesky nonverbal cues. It's hard to see how the employment of sarcasm could possibly be counterproductive.

Sarcasm is especially useful in controversial debates, where a sarcastic comment often has the effect of calming the situation. Don't worry about offending people; simply appending a smiley emoticon to your comment will assuage any hurt feelings, and doing so exempts you from the strictures of civility and good faith.

Despite the use of the above measures and your inherent, undeniable cleverness, your sarcastic remarks may still be unrecognized or unappreciated by their target audience. This should be interpreted as immediate confirmation of your superior intellect and wit, as well as a corresponding deficiency of those qualities in your audience; you should not hesitate to emphasize this, as it will enable further discussion to proceed productively. It also allows the discussion to stray away from well-known contentious issues towards the beautiful landscapes of hermeneutical disputes on the possible or indisputable subjective and objective meanings of the semantical structures used in the various contributions to the debate.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

All three of those create a good deal of their own content. You just shot yourself in the foot. No one in this thread has knocked syndication but trying to compare autoblogs to MSNBC etc isn't going to work.

Really? Explain to me how one aggregation system is deemed as "quality" compared to another?

YOU are knocking syndication. Pure and simple.

You sound like some corp suit who thinks that the little guy isn't qualified to set up their own little factory, but OH....if it's a company you deem to be "worthy", then it's OK.

I'll say it again. We're talking about nothing more that syndication/aggregation. All you did Mike was decide that when the little guy creates his own little aggregation sites he is creating spam.

Sure you don't work for Fox News buddy??? You're distortion is brilliant.

Wow - starting to have fun. We're you in the debate club as well Mike ;-)

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Wow! You can write well. Your talents are wasted on autoblogging.

No they aren't. He's demonstrating his scraping ability not writing

Wikipedia:Sarcasm is really helpful - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by TZ

Really? Explain to me how one aggregation system is deemed as "quality" compared to another?

Simple

A) the writers haven't ""spun" their content
B) the sites have authors that publish there first
C) they include unique content on their site along with syndication.

Just three that roll easily to mind.

You sound like some corp suit who thinks that the little guy isn't qualified to set up their own little factory, but OH....if it's a company you deem to be "worthy", then it's OK.

False. there are little guys all over that write their own content then mix it in with syndication and open their sites up to guest blogging. Don't hide behind the little guy shield. it doesn't apply. Little guys can build sites that people can actually like and read at least some original stuff. Little guys eed not be nothing more than scrape spinners.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

No they aren't. He's demonstrating his scraping ability not writing

Wikipedia:Sarcasm is really helpful - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hoy!! Ouch.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Simple

A) the writers haven't ""spun" their content (so re-writing content = crap?)
B) the sites have authors that publish there first (you mean "some authors" and most of them DO NOTHING more that run aggregation with NO original content)
C) they include unique content on their site along with syndication. (and us oh so little pond scum dwellers don't)

Just three that roll easily to mind.

And the search engines. Hearing crickets on that one bud. NOTHING but other people's content surrounded by advertising. And don't tell me again how only CERTAIN companies and domains are ALLOWED to do that, and us little guys are not allowed to play.

And what about RSS feed sites that do nothing but post feeds??? I suppose they don't meet your royal standards either.

You're losing ground fast buddy, and you know it.

[Steve Crooks]

No no no no no no no no no no no.. etc etc..

I don't want that at all, in fact right now all I want to do is stop coming back to this daft thread but for some reason I keep taking one last peek..

Ah well, while I am here.. I will say this just once more and I hope it sinks in. "I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY EXISTING SITE YOU OWN AND I WOULDN'T DREAM OF ASKING".. Do you understand? I don't want to see that at all! All I was asking is that you show an example of what your tools are capable of.. A brand spanking new site on a neutral domain on neutral hosting. I neither want to keep the domain or the hosting, I just want the merest glimpse of how your sites read better than the huffington post and the other example sites you gave and then it can be deleted. I don't want your scripts, your ebook, your secrets, I just thought it was a good opportunity for you to show what you can do. Do you understand what I am asking for?

There is one thing that we agree with though, that example from Josh is a dog's dinner but a classic example of some great off page SEO! Some amazingly good backlinks coming into that site, he must have worked hard on that. How much does he pay to get onto MichelleMalkin.com blogroll at a PR7.. Fascinating. Shame the site is rubbish though, he could seriously turn that into a great site with some care and some great income from it.

I don't want income screenshots.. no.. nothing like that. I told you before your income is your business I am merely intrigued by your bold claims.

Originally Posted by TZ

So you want to provide the hosting and the domain so I can create you a quality autoblog.

You don't get it Steve and Mike. No one cares about your thousands of posts and all your time here on this forum, and I certainly don't give a sh*t if you believe me when I say that aggregation is a valid method of income generation. Not one little bit do I care.

Twice I posted URLs years ago. One *sshole republished my entire site, and the other f*ckwad went on a clicking rampage on my Adsense ads.

So give it up with prove it crap.

You want income screen shots? You want traffic stat screen shots?

Josh showed you a classic autoblog already, and I know the guy who runs it. Even he thinks that is a dog's breakfast compared to his newer designs.

[Steve Crooks]

Ahhh.. darn it. He got me.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

No they aren't. He's demonstrating his scraping ability not writing

Wikipedia:Sarcasm is really helpful - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by TZ

You're losing ground fast buddy, and you know it.

Okay you made me laugh there - pretty good. Auto blogs are the same as search engines because their service is to connect you to sites that you are looking for. gotcha. thats some funny stuff. got to run.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

No no no no no no no no no no no.. etc etc..

I don't want that at all, in fact right now all I want to do is stop coming back to this daft thread but for some reason I keep taking one last peek..

Ah well, while I am here.. I will say this just once more and I hope it sinks in. "I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY EXISTING SITE YOU OWN AND I WOULDN'T DREAM OF ASKING".. Do you understand? I don't want to see that at all! All I was asking is that you show an example of what your tools are capable of.. A brand spanking new site on a neutral domain on neutral hosting. I neither want to keep the domain or the hosting, I just want the merest glimpse of how your sites read better than the huffington post and the other example sites you gave and then it can be deleted. I don't want your scripts, your ebook, your secrets, I just thought it was a good opportunity for you to show what you can do. Do you understand what I am asking for?

There is one thing that we agree with though, that example from Josh is a dog's dinner but a classic example of some great off page SEO! Some amazingly good backlinks coming into that site, he must have worked hard on that. How much does he pay to get onto MichelleMalkin.com blogroll at a PR7.. Fascinating. Shame the site is rubbish though, he could seriously turn that into a great site with some care and some great income from it.

I don't want income screenshots.. no.. nothing like that. I told you before your income is your business I am merely intrigued by your bold claims.

OMG Steve. You wanna come over and paint my house so I can see how good your *ss looks from the bottom of the ladder?

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Okay you made me laugh there - pretty good. Auto blogs are the same as search engines . the comedic value of the thread for me has taken a step up. and the last line was a good punch line as well.

Glad you are giggling too. I love this sh*t

Anyway, YES. I am comparing any kind if script (or system) the pulls content from "other people's domains" and places it on their domain for the purpose of getting traffic and/or making a profit.

It's simple. I did not say autoblogs are the SAME as search engines, anyone with a Cracker Jacks Box Degree knows what I am saying here.

I'm saying that duplicating content from other domains is what search engines and RSS feed sites do, and they get traffic, make profit - yet they don't enjoy the same sweet sting of your scorn.

Yeah. You have answered the question Mike. You sound like the pigs in the book Animal Farm - "some animals are more equal than other animals".

Opps.....now we're getting close to Glenn Beck level stupidity.....NOT calling you a facist Mike.

Hmmm....maybe I am.

[Steve Crooks]

errrrm... nnoooo.. I ah.. errm. I do not want that.. No.. no.. do I not want that..

You are clearly scared to show what your scripts are capable of for whatever reason, and I will leave it there.

Originally Posted by TZ

OMG Steve. You wanna come over and paint my house so I can see how good your *ss looks from the bottom of the ladder?

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

errrrm... nnoooo.. I ah.. errm. I do not want that.. No.. no.. do I not want that..

You are clearly scared to show what your scripts are capable of for whatever reason, and I will leave it there.

Ah yes. You want me to take time away from my projects to set up a quicky autoblog to prove to you something.....WHAT is it you need proved?

This isn't rocket science.

[Steve Crooks]

You are right we are both wasting time here. Thank god it isn't rocket science, I would hate to see the bold unproven claims with that subject!

Originally Posted by TZ

Ah yes. You want me to take time away from my projects to set up a quicky autoblog to prove to you something.....WHAT is it you need proved?

This isn't rocket science.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Okay you made me laugh there - pretty good. Auto blogs are the same as search engines because their service is to connect you to sites that you are looking for. gotcha. thats some funny stuff. got to run.

Yep. Run along now and create some "real" sites.

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[j10nnb]

Steve

On your european cruises site didn't you pull in some content from the article directories. Not all the content on there was original

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'm in the middle of helping develop a full content syndication site and service that has alot more PHP going on (SQL server though so it can integrate a little more elegantly with other .net systems running with it). So yes I do know the first thing

Don't forget about that other project you are working too....you know, the one where you've pretty much cured cancer.

[guitarjosh]

I'm still waiting to see who gets the last word in.

Reasons for getting the last word

Getting the last word means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow Warriors.

It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, we still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by j10nnb

Steve

On your european cruises site didn't you pull in some content from the article directories. Not all the content on there was original

Oh God, if you get me started on their hypocrisy I'll be here all night!

Got an excited dog here that needs a walk and some food.

[Steve Crooks]

Yes, and like I said earlier in the thread, I am not against syndication of content and use of data feeds and all that. I use syndicated content when it can add something to my site. If my site on basket weaving is crying out for an article on weaving using leather or something and I see a great article that will work nicely in my site and I have the author's consent to use it then I will, in exchange for a link obviously.

Add to that, if I have an article or video that would benefit from some Amazon ads for a related product then I have no qualms about using a datafeed on my site. If I can add added value in any way I can, then I will.

Originally Posted by j10nnb

Steve

On your european cruises site didn't you then pull in some ontent from the article directories. Not all the content on there was original

[TZ]

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

I'm still waiting to see who gets the last word in.

Reasons for getting the last word

Getting the last word means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow Warriors.

It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, we still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.

A perfect entry and close Josh. Later.......

Shhh.......is this the last word. I MUST have it. My fragile ego HAS to have it.

Drum roll please.......well look who got the last word - see BELOW.

Was fun ;-)

[Steve Crooks]

Wind it in TZ, I have already said that I have nothing against using datafeeds and syndicated content when it can add value. Nothing hypocritical about that pal. Go and feed your dog.

Originally Posted by TZ

Oh God, if you get me started on their hypocrisy I'll be here all night!

Got an excited dog here that needs a walk and some food.

[Steve Crooks]

Scraping wikipedia again..

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

I'm still waiting to see who gets the last word in.

Reasons for getting the last word

Getting the last word means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow Warriors.

It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, we still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.

[Steve Crooks]

Nobody will have the last word because this debate will continue forever in many different threads.

Originally Posted by TZ

A perfect entry and close Josh. Later.......

Shhh.......is this the last word. I MUST have it. My fragile ego HAS to have it.

[guitarjosh]

But WAIT!! Steve... I have another question. Do you teach others to spin content in your course?

:-)

[Steve Crooks]

Absolutely Josh! It is a section in my course that I am particularly proud of and thanks for bringing it up. I teach how to use your OWN content or content you have rights to change and spin from words all the way to paragraphs and even spinning images. I teach how to create a ton of very readable, virtually unique content from 1 article. It is a manual process but the rewards are incredible.

I love the bestspinner, I think it is an incredible tool when used in the right way. This is completely different to stealing some content from the web and using a synonym replacement tool to change some words to make something gibberish.

I am not a luddite while we are on the subject, I love technology, I have two diplomas in information technology and computing. Above everything though, my overriding thing is that I use tools to help me create content for my visitors. It is not just about churning out a ton of crap and hoping some of it will stick.

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

But WAIT!! Steve... I have another question. Do you teach others to spin content in your course?

:-)

[GeorgR.]

that's a double-standard.

How can you say that if you use an existing article on YOUR site it adds value, but on his site it doesn't?

You dont think that an autoblog which fetches keyword based feeds or articles regarding a certain topic can NOT add value? How so?

Why should your manually adding and spinning be any better than what the autoblog does?

[guitarjosh]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

that's a double-standard.

How can you say that if you use an existing article on YOUR site it adds value, but on his site it doesn't?

You dont think that an autoblog which fetches keyword based feeds or articles regarding a certain topic can NOT add value? How so?

Why should your manually adding and spinning be any better than what the autoblog does?

Bingo. And I had to laugh because a student of his im'd me to tell me this. Awesome. That is superb.

[Steve Crooks]

I don't use tools to systematically scrape and steal copyrighted content and aggregate it into new content. I choose content that wants to be syndicated and use datafeeds that want to be used and RSS feeds that I am allowed to use. It is the currency of the web. I use their content, they get backlinks.. You know how it works George. Where is the double standard there?

Lets also just get this straight and clear as well. I use syndicated content in supplement to my own unique content. It is not central to my whole operation. I use it sparingly and when it is appropriate. That is completely different to using scripts that aggregate content from all over the place without moderation.

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

that's a double-standard.

How can you say that if you use an existing article on YOUR site it adds value, but on his site it doesn't?

You dont think that an autoblog which fetches keyword based feeds or articles regarding a certain topic can NOT add value? How so?

Why should your manually adding and spinning be any better than what the autoblog does?

[Steve Crooks]

Josh, how old are you? This is not how to debate, shame on you.

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

Bingo. And I had to laugh because a student of his im'd me to tell me this. Awesome. That is superb.

[guitarjosh]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Josh, how old are you? This is not how to debate, shame on you.

With all due respect, you might be the last guy on this thread that should be giving advice on how to debate. You're likely a good teacher.. but since the onset of this thread you've contradicted yourself numerous times. Debate is not your forte.

[yukon]

No, it's simply nobody has a need to prove anything, why would they?

Your selling a product in your sig., why not make it public domain content? You don't give up your content for the same reason nobody else will, we all are in it for the money & nothing less.

Anyone that gives up their best kept IM secrets is a fool IMO.

I don't mind sharing little bits of seo info., but I'll never post my best of the best seo/IM techniques.

Call it cloak & dagger If you want, I prefer to call it less competition.

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

No it wasn't, I would have gladly handed that hosting to whoever wanted it. I didn't want the "secrets" or any other nonsense like that. I just wanted to see what was supposedly better than sites like the huffington post etc..

I think all this looking over your shoulder, cloak and dagger stuff has affected rational thought.. Its a shame really.

[TKB]

hmmm.. i dont get wad any one is saying here... its too advanced for me..

[TZ]

Originally Posted by TKB

hmmm.. i dont get wad any one is saying here... its too advanced for me..

Don't worry TKB. Nothing that advanced going on here, but stay tuned cause I think Steve is getting ready to start "sculpting his guns".

[GeorgR.]

TK,

just a reply on topic (for a change ) do you know yaab?

And..what exactly does your rewriter plugin do, where does it get the data? I am kinda interested now.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

TK,

just a reply on topic (for a change ) do you know yaab?

And..what exactly does your rewriter plugin do, where does it get the data? I am kinda interested now.

TK? You mean TZ?

Anyway. My rewriter is a very simple plugin that allows synonym R&R and phrase R&R. It's set up so you can custom create syns for phrases and words specific to the niche. Full out synonym replacement tools create JIBBERISH, and that is what I think Steve and Mike think I do.

All content reads perfectly, because the system is not meant to just randomly create crap content.

It rewrites all of the content that is pulled from feeds.

[Steve Crooks]

Agreed, and I wasn't asking for that either. All I was asking for is an example of how his sites read better than the huffington post. Thats all..

Originally Posted by yukon

No, it's simply nobody has a need to prove anything, why would they?

Your selling a product in your sig., why not make it public domain content? You don't give up your content for the same reason nobody else will, we all are in it for the money & nothing less.

Anyone that gives up their best kept IM secrets is a fool IMO.

I don't mind sharing little bits of seo info., but I'll never post my best of the best seo/IM techniques.

Call it cloak & dagger If you want, I prefer to call it less competition.

[Steve Crooks]

No contradictions on my side as far as I am aware mate, I am not the one hiding behind my words. Everything I believe about Internet marketing (right or wrong) is here in black and white on the Warrior forum.

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

With all due respect, you might be the last guy on this thread that should be giving advice on how to debate. You're likely a good teacher.. but since the onset of this thread you've contradicted yourself numerous times. Debate is not your forte.

[Steve Crooks]

Nice.. One of my favourite movies.

Originally Posted by TZ

Don't worry TKB. Nothing that advanced going on here, but stay tuned cause I think Steve is getting ready to start "sculpting his guns".

[Steve Crooks]

Which is purely the reason for wanting see an example of what you are saying, what is so wrong with that? Like I have said, I love technology, I love the bestspinner and I am not a Luddite. If you have a tool that does what you say it does, I am interested to see what it does, just like George is..

Well done, you have got me intrigued enough to buy your system and test it out myself. This has to be the worst sales pitch in history though TZ.

Originally Posted by TZ

TK? You mean TZ?

Full out synonym replacement tools create JIBBERISH, and that is what I think Steve and Mike think I do.

All content reads perfectly, because the system is not meant to just randomly create crap content.

It rewrites all of the content that is pulled from feeds.

[jehzlau]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Which is purely the reason for wanting see an example of what you are saying, what is so wrong with that? Like I have said, I love technology, I love the bestspinner and I am not a Luddite. If you have a tool that does what you say it does, I am interested to see what it does, just like George is..

Well done, you have got me intrigued enough to buy your system and test it out myself. This has to be the worst sales pitch in history though TZ.

So steve? did you you really take the pitfall? Let us know if it really works or not. , pure honesty mate, its either a yes or a no.

But for real, I also do believe there is an opportunity after the algo have been tweaked and autoblogged articles are included too as I have observed that too, still waiting for a few days to confirm if it would really give out benefits for the coming weeks.

[Steve Crooks]

Yep.. Purchased and just had a quick look. One thing though, I don't think this is the right place. Also, it wouldn't be a good idea or fair to the people involved to start giving reviews of products in this thread whether they be good or bad. This is a general debate about whether scraping content can survive the Google update.

Originally Posted by jehzlau

So steve? did you you really take the pitfall? Let us know if it really works or not. , pure honesty mate, its either a yes or a no.

But for real, I also do believe there is an opportunity after the algo have been tweaked and autoblogged articles are included too as I have observed that too, still waiting for a few days to confirm if it would really give out benefits for the coming weeks.

[guitarjosh]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

No contradictions on my side as far as I am aware mate, I am not the one hiding behind my words. Everything I believe about Internet marketing (right or wrong) is here in black and white on the Warrior forum.

Let me help you with that then, Stevie. You actually have many here if you were to be honest with yourself. And make sure you understand the difference in hiding behind ones words and protecting ones source of income. You should be a big enough boy to make that distinction. What have we had in this thread.. 5 people stop by and say you're wrong to ask such a thing? At least 5 asking you why it's important and stating they wouldn't do it either? But somehow you're right and we're all wrong? Hmm... Anyway, your latest contradiction....

You said

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

The one thing that winds me up about autobloggers is that you try and pretend that what you are providing isn't junk. Just be straight up and honest and say that you are building autoblogs purely to make money (while you can) and stop all this nonsense about how you aren't junking up the web.

The other point I want to make is that I don't doubt that autoblogs will continue to bottom feed and earn a bit of an income while they remain in existence however hard Google updates it's algo. There is a far better option out there though that can generate huge income without the fear of having your sites axed, accounts lost and all the other sorry stories you read from people. It does take more effort but it is also hugely more enjoyable and rewarding.

And then you go on to say how spinning articles is okay and you actually teach this. LOL. Dude, please tell me you are not this blind. Spinning articles is a benefit to you.. not to your visitors. You are doing it solely for MFA sites. You can wrap it up and put a pretty bow on it but you are junking up the web with that crap far more than my sites ever will. You then very weakly try to defend your position.

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Lets also just get this straight and clear as well. I use syndicated content in supplement to my own unique content. It is not central to my whole operation. I use it sparingly and when it is appropriate. That is completely different to using scripts that aggregate content from all over the place without moderation.

Okay Stevie.. so it's okay to use garbage if I supplement my own content.. so long as it's not central to my operation? Well first of all, I do. I add to my content, much like the blog I showed you. TZ stated he adds to his as well. We've both already told you this. My favorite line is "I use it sparingly and when it is appropriate". Ohh! Well why didn't you say so?! It's okay to trash up the web if we do it "sparingly"? Lol.. come on bro! Should I teach my kids that it's okay to cheat as long as they don't do it too much? Even one of your own students saw the contradiction in this and sent me an IM calling you on it!

I don't care Stevie.. I really don't. But don't try to pretend that you're not adding.. and teaching a system of adding.. to junking up the web in the same way that we are with our sites (if you choose to take this view). You run your business and we'll run ours. It sure is funny how you conveniently draw the line between right and wrong just a little further away for yourself when trying to claim the moral high road and guilty of the exact same thing. Huge contradiction.