Sick of sniper sites?

[canard5]

Sniper sites work. That's why they are so popular, but am I the only one who is sick and tired of how the majority of them are filled with b.s. fake reviews?

I've spent a good deal of time building a site with honest feedback and reviews, but I get the feeling everyone just looks at it for a second and assumes it's another fake review sites full of lies.

How can I shake free of the sniper site stigma?

I'm sure I'm not the only one having this problem. What steps are you taking to prove that you're legit?

I'm also hoping that the new Google algorithms helps me rank higher because right now I'm buried so far under the fake sniper sites that I get no search engine traffic.

Feel free to check out my site in my sig if you want to see what I'm talking about.

[mojojuju]

What is a sniper site?

[O0o0O]

If you want to break free of the sniper site, just find out what they're doing and do it better. They probably have more backlinks than you do. That's why they're ranking higher. Their sites probably load faster too. Your AddThis button is slowing down your page load speed. Hope that helps.

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by mojojuju

What is a sniper site?

Site using "Google Sniper" technique from George Brown but it isn't really unique to him.

[mattbaehr]

Don't take this the wrong way, just some honest feedback here. I am looking at your site on a netbook, and the only thing I can see is that header graphic with the stack of money. Just seeing that would make me click off the site thinking it was a get rich quick site.

But it does look like you have some good content. Good luck.

[GeorgR.]

Forget promoting "product name" and SEO and hoping that on launch date you get many sales.

It's an idiotic strategy (i do the same thing!) but realized its utterly moronic. 99% of the money for products in the IM niche is made be marketers sending out lists promiting all the cra..uhm i mean products to their lists.

Instead of short reviews

a) get a real hoster and not some weebly nonsense, no none takes you seriously that way
b) write longer reviews
c) dont focus on launches/new products and SEO
d) write real reviews


While your site "basically" is not bad and you are actually also telling when a products sucks....the overall impression is its too sales-ey (since the reviews are not detailed, long enough)

Notice that marketing IM/SEO *for* IM and SEO people is really hard enough, you can bet that anyone INSTANTLY can spot a "fake" review..and also the stack of money etc. is a turn off.

There is so much crap out there, fake reviews etc. that i think the only way is to build some rep as an authority where people really go to your site to read a real review...as opposed to the zillion crappy sites out there where its just too obvious they want to sell for commission.

Its actually a market since such quality review sites are really, really rare

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by mattbaehr

Don't take this the wrong way, just some honest feedback here. I am looking at your site on a netbook, and the only thing I can see is that header graphic with the stack of money. Just seeing that would make me click off the site thinking it was a get rich quick site.

But it does look like you have some good content. Good luck.

I do agree, your homepage is really weak and lacking any real content outside of the navigation. Everything around the leading paragraph makes you not want to read the paragraph and you don't know what the site is about without reading it.

[mojojuju]

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

Site using "Google Sniper" technique from George Brown but it isn't really unique to him.

Oh thanks. Now I know exactly what people are talking about when they refer to a "Google sniper" site.

But really, can anyone explain what a "Google sniper" site is?

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Oh thanks. Now I know exactly what a Google Sniper site is.

But really, can anyone explain what a "Google sniper" site is?

Well I don't really want to give the course away but it is basically a site that is designed for one keyword and one keyword only.

[ElMundodelExito]

I went to your site and saw the review you did about it. Pretty good.
You wrote this in your review:

George Brown doesn't really discuss backlinks in GS2 so if you want to really make some money with this course then read up on how to make backlinks to your sniper sites.

Why don't you do that!

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by ElMundodelExito

I went to your site and saw the review you did about it. Pretty good.
You wrote this in your review:

Why don't you do that!

His claim is you don't need the backlinks because the site is so laser focused.

[inter123]

It might be stuff that worked like a charm 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

His claim is you don't need the backlinks because the site is so laser focused.

[canard5]

Now this is the kind of tough love that I really appreciate. Not just "great" or "terrible", but actual constructive criticism. Thank you all.

Originally Posted by O0o0O

If you want to break free of the sniper site, just find out what they're doing and do it better. They probably have more backlinks than you do. That's why they're ranking higher. Their sites probably load faster too. Your AddThis button is slowing down your page load speed. Hope that helps.

Perhaps I should get rid of the add this button and just have the facebook like and tweet buttons.

Originally Posted by mattbaehr

Don't take this the wrong way, just some honest feedback here. I am looking at your site on a netbook, and the only thing I can see is that header graphic with the stack of money. Just seeing that would make me click off the site thinking it was a get rich quick site.

But it does look like you have some good content. Good luck.

I appreciate honest feedback. Thank you. It sounds like the biggest complaint is that stack of money. I'll have to change that one first. I've been thinking about getting a logo made. I've been looking on Fiverr and there seem to be lots of talented people ready to work.

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

I do agree, your homepage is really weak and lacking any real content outside of the navigation. Everything around the leading paragraph makes you not want to read the paragraph and you don't know what the site is about without reading it.

I didn't even thinking about how hard that paragraph is to read. I'll certainly have to fix that. It was a choice to make the homepage clutter free and easy to navigate. I was always turned off by "review" sites that have links and words and ads covering every inch of the page. That really turned me off. It was a choice to have it rather clean, but if you found it weak then it certainly makes me think about what I can do. Thank you.

[masterjani]

Actually all snipper sit methods are already spammed to death.Need to find unique and different niche that sniper haven't touch to get going

[Anup Mahajan]

I agree with GeorgR.. the reviews on your site don't look like real reviews. You should really break down the product review and list the product features, benefits, pros and cons so that your site is taken seriously like an authority site. While writing long and meaningful reviews isn't easy, the benefits are enormous. You can also change the header as it appears similar to thousands of other get rich quick site headers. Put your own pic, so that when people read the meaningful reviews, they start considering you as an authority on the subject...

Good luck,

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by canard5

Now this is the kind of tough love that I really appreciate. Not just "great" or "terrible", but actual constructive criticism. Thank you all.



Perhaps I should get rid of the add this button and just have the facebook like and tweet buttons.



I appreciate honest feedback. Thank you. It sounds like the biggest complaint is that stack of money. I'll have to change that one first. I've been thinking about getting a logo made. I've been looking on Fiverr and there seem to be lots of talented people ready to work.



I didn't even thinking about how hard that paragraph is to read. I'll certainly have to fix that. It was a choice to make the homepage clutter free and easy to navigate. I was always turned off by "review" sites that have links and words and ads covering every inch of the page. That really turned me off. It was a choice to have it rather clean, but if you found it weak then it certainly makes me think about what I can do. Thank you.

3 second rule man, if in 3 seconds (these days 300ms) you don't know what the site does and why it will help them, they are gone.

[dsbusiness23]

Being one of the people who owns google sniper 2.0 and is also promoting it, I completely understand your frustration with them. Honestly if someone creates a sniper site and writes a fake review versus a real one I think that visitors will be able to see the difference. There are things to look for, and honestly I think that it is not worth lying about any product you promote on your website.

That's just my experience. Maybe people that make fake reviews and stories do well, but I have not seen it helping people in my experience.

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Being one of the people who owns google sniper 2.0 and is also promoting it, I completely understand your frustration with them. Honestly if someone creates a sniper site and writes a fake review versus a real one I think that visitors will be able to see the difference. There are things to look for, and honestly I think that it is not worth lying about any product you promote on your website.

That's just my experience. Maybe people that make fake reviews and stories do well, but I have not seen it helping people in my experience.

What is your opinion of the course. I bought it only to get Full Disclosure for Bring the Fresh as I wanted to check that course out at some point anyway. I understand the gist of what the course is about but I didn't go through it, just signed up and sent the receipt to Kelly & Mike.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

What is your opinion of the course. I bought it only to get Full Disclosure for Bring the Fresh as I wanted to check that course out at some point anyway. I understand the gist of what the course is about but I didn't go through it, just signed up and sent the receipt to Kelly & Mike.

Personally I think it is one of the best programs around. Don't just take my word for it, even look up just the original google sniper and add warriorforum on the end and in a few pages on the first link of google you will see what many members think of the course. I have incorporated it with Rapid Profit Formula and many other courses, and I think it is a wonderful addition to my resources on internet marketing. I also have a review on my site, if you want a more in depth look at what I think.

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Personally I think it is one of the best programs around. Don't just take my word for it, even look up just the original google sniper and add warriorforum on the end and in a few pages on the first link of google you will see what many members think of the course. I have incorporated it with Rapid Profit Formula and many other courses, and I think it is a wonderful addition to my resources on internet marketing. I also have a review on my site, if you want a more in depth look at what I think.

I was told Bring the Fresh uses a lot of his techniques as well?

[canard5]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Being one of the people who owns google sniper 2.0 and is also promoting it, I completely understand your frustration with them. Honestly if someone creates a sniper site and writes a fake review versus a real one I think that visitors will be able to see the difference. There are things to look for, and honestly I think that it is not worth lying about any product you promote on your website.

That's just my experience. Maybe people that make fake reviews and stories do well, but I have not seen it helping people in my experience.

I wonder how the fake review sites do as well. When you search for Google Sniper 2 (or any new launch) the first several pages are completely full of the fake review sniper sites. I'd be a fool to think these fake reviews aren't making lots of money.

I'm sure the amount of refunds are extremely high too.

[canard5]

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

3 second rule man, if in 3 seconds (these days 300ms) you don't know what the site does and why it will help them, they are gone.

That's a good rule. I like that.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

I was told Bring the Fresh uses a lot of his techniques as well?

Not sure never used that course, but if anyone wants to wet their feet a little about google sniper 2.0, check out my second link in my sig. It is a youtube video part of a series I am working on that uses some of his techniques and other things I have learned in my time in IM, to do great SEO keyword research!

[RustyF]

I would get a hosting account, you can do that for under $10 a month. I don't know what you're current provider allows you to do as far as themes. A really good free theme for WordPress is Flexibility 3. Of course, he also has premium tools that looks very good to me. (I'm not affiliated with Flex 3 and related products.)

Maybe add some pages about IM that don't promote anything? SEO help?

The one review I read looked like you bought or otherwise acquired the product. Don't leave the reader guessing on that. Make sure they know you have it.

You're in a tough niche. Mine is too small and you have the opposite problem.

[buckz55]

lol I love how george brown took the basics of IM and SEO and called it google sniper .... then changed the title of the original GS ebook to google sniper 2.0 and released it again ..... hes a genius

[canard5]

Originally Posted by buckz55

lol I love how george brown took the basics of IM and SEO and called it google sniper .... then changed the title of the original GS ebook to google sniper 2.0 and released it again ..... hes a genius

Haha that's why he's rich. Do you really think he makes all his money from his product launches?

[dsbusiness23]

Honestly it has been said already that sniper sites work. They absolutely do! I think that incorporating your own ideas in order to make sure things are unique while following his course is one of the best things you can do. Just make sure your site stands out. His do so I just bet he made money using his method as well.

[bravo75]

G sniper 2.0 has got some of the worst reviews I've read here and other forums in a long time. The only worse review I've read in a while is the Free Facebook Ads crap that everyone is whining about over in the product review chill out lounge.

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Not sure never used that course, but if anyone wants to wet their feet a little about google sniper 2.0, check out my second link in my sig. It is a youtube video part of a series I am working on that uses some of his techniques and other things I have learned in my time in IM, to do great SEO keyword research!

[bfas]

Originally Posted by canard5

Sniper sites work. That's why they are so popular, but am I the only one who is sick and tired of how the majority of them are filled with b.s. fake reviews?

This sort of thin site is one of the 'targets' of the "Farmer" update, and it is the proliferation of similar sites often cited as much of the 'web spam' that displaces higher-quality sites.

Expect them to start disappearing.

EMD's have already been reduced in significance; this new update is in part designed to detect 'low-quality' sites such as the usual sniper or X-factor site.

Michael

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by bfas

This sort of thin site is one of the 'targets' of the "Farmer" update, and it is the proliferation of similar sites often cited as much of the 'web spam' that displaces higher-quality sites.

Expect them to start disappearing.

EMD's have already been reduced in significance; this new update is in part designed to detect 'low-quality' sites such as the usual sniper or X-factor site.

Michael

I use a system that incorporates what I have learned from Google sniper, as well as Rapid Profit formula, and any other information I have gathered to create a website that uses the sniper format, but includes lots of pages of good quality content. My newest site I am still working hard on to make sure I comply with the new rules you just brought up.

[bfas]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

I use a system that incorporates what I have learned from Google sniper, as well as Rapid Profit formula, and any other information I have gathered to create a website that uses the sniper format, but includes lots of pages of good quality content. My newest site I am still working hard on to make sure I comply with the new rules you just brought up.

If you base your site around quality content, you're half-way there.

The other half includes, increasing the minimum length of your page content, building around a theme rather than an individual keyword, and diverse, thematically relevant backlinks.

Michael

[SeanSupplee]

Create an authority review site and put your honest name and picture out there. Go with the old fashioned build a list connect with people on twitter facebook etc while it takes more work its going to get you repeat buyers and build up over time.

or

If you cant beat them join them make your own sniper sites but give it a different layout and feal from all the other cookie cutter sniper sites.

[inter123]

The banner definately needs to go. I think the reviews are not bad in that you are giving the opinions you have heard. It saves the need for people to track down this sort of information themselves and save time. But perhaps, the length of the content can be increased a little.

If you establish yourself as some sort of authority and get a bit of a following that would help a great deal with sales. To expand the site, it could contain articles with tips of various strategies and general Internet Marketing news. That would make the site bigger and turn it into more of an authority site.

[inter123]

EMD have definately been dissapearing but it started a few months before the "Farmer" update.

Originally Posted by bfas

This sort of thin site is one of the 'targets' of the "Farmer" update, and it is the proliferation of similar sites often cited as much of the 'web spam' that displaces higher-quality sites.

Expect them to start disappearing.

EMD's have already been reduced in significance; this new update is in part designed to detect 'low-quality' sites such as the usual sniper or X-factor site.

[canard5]

Originally Posted by inter123

The banner definately needs to go. I think the reviews are not bad in that you are giving the opinions you have heard. It saves the need for people to track down this sort of information themselves and save time. But perhaps, the length of the content can be increased a little.

If you establish yourself as some sort of authority and get a bit of a following that would help a great deal with sales. To expand the site, it could contain articles with tips of various strategies and general Internet Marketing news. That would make the site bigger and turn it into more of an authority site.

Alright the banner is certainly on the chopping block now. Time to make a logo.

I feel like you have a good understanding of what I was going for with the reviews. It's more of an honest feedback site then it is a review site. Add some length...I'll have to do just that.

Thank you.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by canard5

Alright the banner is certainly on the chopping block now. Time to make a logo.

I feel like you have a good understanding of what I was going for with the reviews. It's more of an honest feedback site then it is a review site. Add some length...I'll have to do just that.

Thank you.

canard5 I am just curious are you seeing a good stream of traffic everyday? How well are your products converting with the reviews you have on your site?

[yukon]

Easy,

If your reviews are legit that means you already own the product, right?

Start making some video reviews to go along with your on-page text, post them on youtube, then embed them into your own site on the page that is selling the product.

Originally Posted by canard5

Sniper sites work. That's why they are so popular, but am I the only one who is sick and tired of how the majority of them are filled with b.s. fake reviews?

I've spent a good deal of time building a site with honest feedback and reviews, but I get the feeling everyone just looks at it for a second and assumes it's another fake review sites full of lies.

How can I shake free of the sniper site stigma?

I'm sure I'm not the only one having this problem. What steps are you taking to prove that you're legit?

I'm also hoping that the new Google algorithms helps me rank higher because right now I'm buried so far under the fake sniper sites that I get no search engine traffic.

Feel free to check out my site in my sig if you want to see what I'm talking about.

[GeorgR.]

There is much "wrong" with Sniper sites and if i were Google i would deindex each of those horrible sites for many reasons.

1). As i said above, the idea of targeting "product name" or "product name bonus" etc. is moronic since only a fraction of people will look for "product name" online...99% of sales are made by big Gurus promoting the products with bonuses to lists of 100.000+ people. If you get the occasional sale simply because you are #1 in Google its a rare occasion compared to what the Gurus make with their lists promoting IM products when they launch

The Sniper System is (as far as i know) based exactly around this, targeting product names and hoping you get a chunk of the money when product launches.

2). a huge majority of the people making the awful sniper sites cannot even spell.
"Product XYZ is it work?" <--- etc.
And their reviews are about the same quality: ZERO

"A REAL review by a GOLD member" <---

Yeah right. You are a "gold member" but the product is released in 3 weeks?

All the fake reviews etc. are semi-criminal, the people are outright LYING and deceiving people with their fake reviews.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

There is much "wrong" with Sniper sites and if i were Google i would deindex each of those horrible sites for many reasons.

1). As i said above, the idea of targeting "product name" or "product name bonus" etc. is moronic since only a fraction of people will look for "product name" online...99% of sales are made by big Gurus promoting the products with bonuses to lists of 100.000+ people. If you get the occasional sale simply because you are #1 in Google its a rare occasion compared to what the Gurus make with their lists promoting IM products when they launch

The Sniper System is (as far as i know) based exactly around this, targeting product names and hoping you get a chunk of the money when product launches.

2). a huge majority of the people making the awful sniper sites cannot even spell.
"Product XYZ is it work?" <--- etc.
And their reviews are about the same quality: ZERO

"A REAL review by a GOLD member" <---

Yeah right. You are a "gold member" but the product is released in 3 weeks?

All the fake reviews etc. are semi-criminal, the people are outright LYING and deceiving people with their fake reviews.

You are correct on most of the points you made. My number one rule with my internet marketing business is that I only promote products I know are legitimate. I agree with you completely about many people not even checking their spelling on their websites. I especially hate when I go onto a website and find that the information they have is either copied from another site, or is filled with enough grammatical errors to make my head spin. I even try my best to make sure my posts are worded and spelled correctly.

Google sniper (at least 2.0) is not all about creating product named sites. George does go over creating product based sites, but that is not the main focus of the course. His site is about creating small under the radar Niche sites that have their domains named by proper keyword research. His course is mainly about selling click bank products, but can easily be incorporated to sell physical products which i personally think is a good thing to do to add another stream of income to your business.

[canard5]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

canard5 I am just curious are you seeing a good stream of traffic everyday? How well are your products converting with the reviews you have on your site?

Traffic generation is something I'm trying to figure out right now. My only source of traffic right now is Youtube. Whenever a product comes out that I have a video out for I get a spike in traffic. But that all depends on how many "gurus" are emailing there lists about the product. Lots of emails = lots of people looking for feedback = a spike in traffic.

I post on forums too, but I find forum traffic doesn't convert for a site like mine because everyone who is on the forums already know they can come here for all the feedback and reviews they need.

Without me doing anything I usually get about 30 uniques a day. Which isn't a lot by any stretch of the imagination, but I usually make a few sales out of every hundred visitors. It's strange because I probably sell just as many products I give bad reviews as I do the ones I give good reviews. Hey if they still want to buy it after I've told them all the bad feedback the product has, I'm not going to stop them. Ofcourse my refund rate for those bad products is much higher than my refund rate for the good products.

So overall I'm still looking for a solid way of generating traffic. I'll find what works for this site at some point.

[canard5]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

There is much "wrong" with Sniper sites and if i were Google i would deindex each of those horrible sites for many reasons.

1). As i said above, the idea of targeting "product name" or "product name bonus" etc. is moronic since only a fraction of people will look for "product name" online...99% of sales are made by big Gurus promoting the products with bonuses to lists of 100.000+ people. If you get the occasional sale simply because you are #1 in Google its a rare occasion compared to what the Gurus make with their lists promoting IM products when they launch
.

I'm not sure I agree. I would think a good amount of the people who get those emails by the big Guru's take a look at the sales page, but then go to google and search the product name for a review. The first few results must get tons of views and probable click thrus.

My question is then if I get an email about a new product and I click the affiliate link in the email and go to the sales page. I check it out and then close the page, go to google and search for the product name + review and click on results number one. I read the (most likely fake) review and click on their affiliate link taking me back to the sales page. I then decide to buy the product. Who's cookie wins out? Who gets the commission. The first affiliate link I clicked in the email or the second affiliate link I clicked on the sniper site?

[Aki Fagno]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Forget promoting "product name" and SEO and hoping that on launch date you get many sales.

It's an idiotic strategy (i do the same thing!) but realized its utterly moronic. 99% of the money for products in the IM niche is made be marketers sending out lists promiting all the cra..uhm i mean products to their lists.

Instead of short reviews

a) get a real hoster and not some weebly nonsense, no none takes you seriously that way
b) write longer reviews
c) dont focus on launches/new products and SEO
d) write real reviews


While your site "basically" is not bad and you are actually also telling when a products sucks....the overall impression is its too sales-ey (since the reviews are not detailed, long enough)

Notice that marketing IM/SEO *for* IM and SEO people is really hard enough, you can bet that anyone INSTANTLY can spot a "fake" review..and also the stack of money etc. is a turn off.

There is so much crap out there, fake reviews etc. that i think the only way is to build some rep as an authority where people really go to your site to read a real review...as opposed to the zillion crappy sites out there where its just too obvious they want to sell for commission.

Its actually a market since such quality review sites are really, really rare

Great posting dude! Thanks!

[canard5]

Hey guys just an update. Whatever Google is doing is starting to take effect for me.

I haven't changed anything on my site since I started this thread. At that time I didn't rank at all for a particular keyword with almost 65 million search results and 4k searches a month. But this past week I checked my rank and it was on page 20 of google. I checked a few days later and it was on 18. I just checked it and I'm on page 10.

I've still got a ways to go, but whatever Google is doing I'm a fan.

I just wanted to let those know who were curious how Google was responding to my short reviews.

[Tuxxy]

You can't change what people are going to naturally think now, sniper sites are always seen as low quality sites by humans these days, let's face it, they've been used by the masses and now they're starting to drop in terms of effectiveness.

[junilerick]

I have to agree about the header image. To me, nothing communicates less trust than large stacks of Benjamins lying around. It just sort of shouts sleazy and hype, to be completely honest here.

[canard5]

Originally Posted by junilerick

I have to agree about the header image. To me, nothing communicates less trust than large stacks of Benjamins lying around. It just sort of shouts sleazy and hype, to be completely honest here.

Haha. Damn you Benjamins! Thanks for the honesty.

[Boris_yo]

Telling the truth and building trust and building list will win in the end.

[briantalk]

Originally Posted by canard5

Feel free to check out my site in my sig if you want to see what I'm talking about.

Your homepage lacks content.

[TBInternetMarketing]

Originally Posted by canard5

am I the only one who is sick and tired of how the majority of them are filled with b.s. fake reviews?

Yup, also hate it. What annoys me is then when you want to try and find a review on an IM product, and type it into google, all these sites pop up which you know are sniper sites. It makes it damn hard to actually find a real review to read.

[canard5]

It does create a good opportunity though. The desire for honest feedback just increase with every B.S. sniper site out there.

Just have to use that to your advantage I guess. Every problem is an opportunity right?