Who here ACTUALLY make consistent Clickbank sales from 1-cent PPC Clicks?

[calfred]

Who here is actually making a bank off these 1-cent clicks from Google AdWords Display Network?

Ok. I have like 500 subscribers...

Traffic source (set to ALL COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD, so I did NOT control where they came from):
I have already changed ALL COUNTRIES to Europe, South Africa, Ireland, US, Canada, New Zealand and not to forget Australia and Singapore as of yesterday

Niche: Weight loss (Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle)

Bribe is freebie report.

Optin rate is 18%.

And once they opted in at my squeeze page, they are immediately directed to the salespage.

Email marketing: 7-day series of value giving (could improve here I guess).

Result: 0 sales so far

[CraigRC]

Thats a tough path for sure. In that ridiculously crowded niche you'll have to do far more than the norm for conversions, particularly with a well-known product that's been on the market for many years.

And one-cent PPC campaigns on the content network are usually worth what you paid for them. You tend to get international traffic, often from countries where PayPal is out of the picture.

As you'd image it's extremely tough.

Note that I did say "usually", as there ARE plenty of people using various one-cent-click campaigns from WSOs that have sold well and making it work...but they're a low percentage.

The vast majority struggles with that method for a variety of reasons.

[calfred]

The vast majority struggles with that method for a variety of reasons.

Which is what I'm trying to find out here.

[Chri5123]

Looks like you have half of it sorted!

Maybe you can arrange a discount for your list with the vendor and then do a blast to try and get some sales?

[Alex Williams]

I had a site that I used to monetize by driving people to a CPA offer right after opting in - but not the salespage directly, but a review type of page. I used to get 3 sales of 100 subscribers, which is pretty high.

Try that - people might not be ready to PAY for the ebook right away, but they might have no problem taking some other type of action on that page

[calfred]

Originally Posted by Alex Williams

I had a site that I used to monetize by driving people to a CPA offer right after opting in - but not the salespage directly, but a review type of page. I used to get 3 sales of 100 subscribers, which is pretty high.

Try that - people might not be ready to PAY for the ebook right away, but they might have no problem taking some other type of action on that page

By sales, do you mean the visitor performs an action (which in turns gives you some CPA revenue)?

Or do they actually buy a weight loss pill after completing the CPA offer, for example.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by calfred

Result: 0 sales so far

Please excuse the comment that it would not occur to me that it would be possible to make any sales with this method. (Why would/might it be?).

Surely everyone or almost everyone on the list you're building has already seen these sales-pages before? You'll have to have (at the very least) a really compelling reason for them why yours should be the site/correspondence through which they decide to buy it, having previously decided not to buy it, I think?

It may be that your "could improve here I guess" about the email marketing you're trying is worth thinking about - if anything. If you can add enough value, through professional email marketing, reinforced by an impressive enough, content-filled enough website to which you keep linking in the emails, something might be possible, perhaps? But from what you say, there does appear to be a pretty fundamental mismatch between the product(s) you're promoting and the target audience you're acquiring to whom to promote them?

Also, if you'll excuse the observation, they're mostly not countries in which I'd be trying to promote at all ... but I suppose that's why the clicks are so cheap?

[calfred]

Sad but true. Have as many as 400 over hops but 0 sales.

I suspect there are 2 problems here:

1) the traffic itself (but then again, some people make some money off it? Which is why I'm asking you guys here.)

2) the email marketing (I've tried long [informative aka EZA style] vs short [summarized version of information with more personality and conversation], altering the entire 7-day email series)

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by calfred

1) the traffic itself (but then again, some people make some money off it?

I strongly suspect not with those products, though, Calfred? There's surely a mismatch there?

[James Campbell]

Looking at your traffic, the product niche you're targeting is wrong.

Skin lightening creams are huge business in those countries, as in billions of dollars a year.

Find an affiliate offer or cpa offer for one of those and try again.

James

[calfred]

You know what guys, before posting this thread, I was thinking about promoting these CPA offers too, in the email.

Hm... too bad. I'm a strong believer of Tom Venuto's book. That book was responsible for making me gain 15-20 pounds of pure muscle in 2010. Since reading that book, I never had to read another bodybuilding article ever again. So many bodybuilding myths were annihilated off my life which had accumulated entire years.

OTOH, I've been in the PeerFly CPA network for a while.

Some "email arbitrage" sounds good for 1 cent per click.

I should try that now.

Btw, thanks for the skin lightening tip there James.

[paulie888]

Originally Posted by calfred

You know what, before posting this thread, I was thinking about promoting these CPA offers too, in the email.

Hm... too bad. I'm a strong believer of Tom Venuto's book. That book was responsible for making me gain 15-20 pounds of pure muscle in 2010. Since reading that book, I never had to read another bodybuilding article ever again. So many bodybuilding myths were annihilated off my life the entire years.

OTOH, I've been in the PeerFly CPA network for a while.

Some "email arbitrage" sounds good for 1 cent per click.

I should try that now.

Btw, thanks for the skin lightening tip there James.

You might want to target the countries better. I see some countries on your list that may not exactly be the best demographic for what you're offering here. Have you tried sites like Quantcast to determine the best demographic groups for your muscle building product?

[Chris Sorrell]

Dude, you need to stop targeting 'the world' and only do the western, english speaking countries otherwise I can guarantee a lifetime of failure for you. You are building up lists and traffic from people who have absolutely no way of paying for products online - ie no paypal, no credit or debit card.

Just target usa, uk, canada, australia, new zealand, ireland. Also please bare in mind that $30 is a weeks wage in some countries so trying to hawk some $37 ebook to someone who doesn't earn that in a week is a little silly, and even if they could pay, they're obviously not gonna bother.

[Steve Faber]

In my experience, the conversion rate of products like Tom's book (which is excellent) are just not very high. I've spoken to product owners of other popular CB products that have excellent reputations in that niche (not Tom) and it seems to confirm that. I've had campaigns with only .3% conversion rates, or about 1 in 275. The product owners confirmed that while a bit on the low side, it wasn't terribly out of line. Note that rate was for highly targeted visitors, in English speaking countries, a couple of years ago, when those products had less exposure / saturation.

That's just my experience, yours may be different.

[jsmith2482]

I don't even know if there's such things as 1 cent clicks anymore on the display network. That seemed like it was "in" about 5 years ago or so until a ton of marketers flooded it. About 7 months ago I was getting 2-5 cent clicks but adwords killed that on me and I haven't been able to get back there yet.

[paulie888]

Originally Posted by sorrellaff

Dude, you need to stop targeting 'the world' and only do the western, english speaking countries otherwise I can guarantee a lifetime of failure for you. You are building up lists and traffic from people who have absolutely no way of paying for products online - ie no paypal, no credit or debit card.

Just target usa, uk, canada, australia, new zealand, ireland. Also please bare in mind that $30 is a weeks wage in some countries so trying to hawk some $37 ebook to someone who doesn't earn that in a week is a little silly, and even if they could pay, they're obviously not gonna bother.

He's probably not going to be able to get 1 cent clicks for the US, but for some European countries he may be able to get inexpensive clicks. He can't cast the net so wide as to include third world countries though, as it'd only be a waste of clicks there.

[calfred]

Originally Posted by paulie888

You might want to target the countries better. I see some countries on your list that may not exactly be the best demographic for what you're offering here. Have you tried sites like Quantcast to determine the best demographic groups for your muscle building product?

I've tried inserting BurnTheFat.com into QuantCast.com before, but there's no most frequented demographic data. I guess I must pay for it, right (e.g. Compete.com)?

Originally Posted by sorrellaff

Dude, you need to stop targeting 'the world' and only do the western, english speaking countries otherwise I can guarantee a lifetime of failure for you. You are building up lists and traffic from people who have absolutely no way of paying for products online - ie no paypal, no credit or debit card.

Just target usa, uk, canada, australia, new zealand, ireland. Also please bare in mind that $30 is a weeks wage in some countries so trying to hawk some $37 ebook to someone who doesn't earn that in a week is a little silly, and even if they could pay, they're obviously not gonna bother.

As of yesterday, I have already changed ALL COUNTRIES to Europe, South Africa, Ireland, US, Canada, New Zealand and not to forget Australia and Singapore. Let's see how it goes in a few days' time.

Originally Posted by opportunitiesaplenty

In my experience, the conversion rate of products like Tom's book (which is excellent) are just not very high. I've spoken to product owners of other popular CB products that have excellent reputations in that niche (not Tom) and it seems to confirm that. I've had campaigns with only .3% conversion rates, or about 1 in 275. The product owners confirmed that while a bit on the low side, it wasn't terribly out of line. Note that rate was for highly targeted visitors, in English speaking countries, a couple of years ago, when those products had less exposure / saturation.

That's just my experience, yours may be different.

Well, surely not everyone in the world has seen the top Clickbank salespages before, right? Why are you saying it's saturated?

I wasn't promoting it via SEO (building sites/blogs and backlinks), which is indeed very competitive to rank (because of many other weight loss/bodybuilding sites, hence saturation). So, how is it saturated? I just don't get it. Can you enlighten me on this one?

[calfred]

Originally Posted by paulie888

He's probably not going to be able to get 1 cent clicks for the US, but for some European countries he may be able to get inexpensive clicks. He can't cast the net so wide as to include third world countries though, as it'd only be a waste of clicks there.

Actually, I managed to get US clicks for $USD 1 cent, albeit not the biggest part of the pie (look at the AWstats screenshot above).

[Marksv]

Originally Posted by jsmith2482

I don't even know if there's such things as 1 cent clicks anymore on the display network. That seemed like it was "in" about 5 years ago or so until a ton of marketers flooded it. About 7 months ago I was getting 2-5 cent clicks but adwords killed that on me and I haven't been able to get back there yet.

Originally Posted by paulie888

He's probably not going to be able to get 1 cent clicks for the US, but for some European countries he may be able to get inexpensive clicks. He can't cast the net so wide as to include third world countries though, as it'd only be a waste of clicks there.

Not true...

1-cent clicks on the content network ARE still possible...

1-cent traffic from the US is ALSO still possible, even though you might not get as much traffic...

The problem like th OP said is conversion and creating the right sales funnel...

I'm thinking that directing them to the salespage after they opt-in might not be the best idea since they're cold to the offer...

If you can create a strong enough email campaign it's a possibility to direct them to a review page perhaps, and from there to the actual sales page...

Mark

[kjblitz]

Hmm...I thought you could geo target location on Adwords to include only countries like US, UK, Singapore, Canada and Australia. You should give that a try.

[theemperor]

I see you get a lot of Vietnam traffic.

I went to Vietnam on my travels.

I loved the country. But I don't recall seeing a single person from Vietnam that could be described as "needing to lose weight" if you get my drift. Probably the same in Pakistan and Indonesia and Philippines. Not sure about Saudi.

So why are people in non-English speaking countries with little obesity problem clicking your advert for losing weight written in English. What possible incentive would they have? I'll let you figure that one out

[calfred]

Originally Posted by Marksv

Not true...

1-cent clicks on the content network ARE still possible...

1-cent traffic from the US is ALSO still possible, even though you might not get as much traffic...

The problem like th OP said is conversion and creating the right sales funnel...

I'm thinking that directing them to the salespage after they opt-in might not be the best idea since they're cold to the offer...

If you can create a strong enough email campaign it's a possibility to direct them to a review page perhaps, and from there to the actual sales page...

Mark

Thanks for understanding my problem properly, Mark.

Yes, 1-cent PPC clicks from Display Network is easy, almost like a tutorial that anyone can perform; no brainer.

But the super-duper hard part is getting the 1-cent traffic to convert!
(That's because I don't see why a 1-cent PPC click is any different from a 20cent, 50cent or even a $1 click. They are still visitors from the Display Network, right?)

Well, I directed them to a salespage immediately because that's the norm to do? That's what my guru told me to do too (the 1-cent PPC traffic method guy).

Stats

Thing is, my email open rate (for 500 subscribers) is only 70 opens a day, at 7 clicks a day; according to Aweber. But using the search site: operator on WarriorForum, I've come to find out that the percentage of opens and clicks I have gotten are normal.

And yes, you are right. The number of US visitors is rather small for the cost of 1 cent.

Note: If anyone who is making consistent money (off Clickbank/CPA using 1-cent PPC traffic) could chime in here, it would be a lifesaver!

[calfred]

Originally Posted by theemperor

I see you get a lot of Vietnam traffic.

I went to Vietnam on my travels.

I loved the country. But I don't recall seeing a single person from Vietnam that could be described as "needing to lose weight" if you get my drift. Probably the same in Pakistan and Indonesia.

So why are people in non-English speaking countries with little obesity problem clicking your advert for losing weight written in English. What possible incentive would they have? I'll let you figure that one out

Oh I see!

But isn't obesity a global problem?

Ok. But I get your point. I've heard before that US is the most obese country in the world too (according to The Biggest Loser, lol). I don't mean any offense to you US warriors here! You just have a good life over there!

Thanks for the insight. That made me think a little bit.

[theemperor]

Originally Posted by calfred

Oh I see!
But isn't obesity a global problem?

No it isn't.

You need to do the "marketing" part of "internet marketing" and find out who your audience is.

Also thinking about this - people here on WF often hire people from those top countries to work for less than $500/month. If you lived there, and even if you had access to a credit card, would you spend 2 day's wages on a clickbank product?

[calfred]

Originally Posted by theemperor

No it isn't.

You need to do the "marketing" part of "internet marketing" and find out who your audience is.

Also thinking about this - people here on WF often hire people from those top countries to work for less than $500/month. If you lived there, and even if you had access to a credit card, would you spend 2 day's wages on a clickbank product?

Oki dokie.

I've changed the countries to US, Canada, Aus, Europe, etc yesterday.

Let's see what happens in a few days' time.

[RussRuffino]

Hey cal,

Just saw this. I wouldn't promote Burn the Fat - stick to products that are in desperate niches, with problems that are universal. Feel free to geo-target your campaign, but be aware that you may have to pay slightly more than $.01 to see a ton of impressions - maybe $.03 - .04, so still super cheap - depending on how narrow you go.

Other than that, it is ALL about your ability to pre-sell the traffic. In this case, I think it's just that the product is wrong, but just in case, for the next thing you promote, PM me your squeeze page. I'll opt-in and have a look at your sales sequence and see if I have any ideas about what you can improve. Cool?

Russ

[ValentinJed]

I would setup a follow up. Send them high quality content (article or video) and 10th email should be a review (video would be great). Create content like always just at the end talk about a product that you saw and you think it's great and solves a problem related to the content. Add a link and that's it.

[CraigRC]

Originally Posted by RussRuffino

Hey cal,

Just saw this. I wouldn't promote Burn the Fat - stick to products that are in desperate niches, with problems that are universal. Feel free to geo-target your campaign, but be aware that you may have to pay slightly more than $.01 to see a ton of impressions - maybe $.03 - .04, so still super cheap - depending on how narrow you go.

Other than that, it is ALL about your ability to pre-sell the traffic. In this case, I think it's just that the product is wrong, but just in case, for the next thing you promote, PM me your squeeze page. I'll opt-in and have a look at your sales sequence and see if I have any ideas about what you can improve. Cool?

Russ

He's not getting those extremely important points I don't think. We've told him his traffic isn't going to convert with that product without extreme effort, and that his actual sales funnel obviously needs work.

Instead he's thinking it's something with the campaign, even though he's got decent opt-ins, decent opens, and decent clicks.

calfred: Russ had one of the best-selling one-cent-click WSOs in recent memory and even still, many of the people that purchased couldn't duplicate his success easily because more goes into it than simply getting that penny click.

If you can't sell, OR, you're selling something that's extremely saturated, even FREE clicks aren't going to matter.

All of the normal rules still apply, you've got to have great copy, great calls-to-action, great content in your AR sequence, and great trust-building techniques to turn them from cold to hot.

The clicks aren't the problem. The product, your traffic, and your funnel are.

Hope this helps.

[RussRuffino]

Originally Posted by CraigRC

If you can't sell, OR, you're selling something that's extremely saturated, even FREE clicks aren't going to matter.

All of the normal rules still apply, you've got to have great copy, great calls-to-action, great content in your AR sequence, and great trust-building techniques to turn them from cold to hot.

The clicks aren't the problem. The product, your traffic, and your funnel are.

Hope this helps.

This is dead-on. See, the thing is that most Internet Marketers never even get to the point where they're worried about their selling ability, because they never have the traffic to sell to in the first place!

One-cent clicks is so powerful because it enables you to get into the real MEAT of selling online - the selling!

Russ

[Bruce NewMedia]

Originally Posted by theemperor

I see you get a lot of Vietnam traffic.

I went to Vietnam on my travels.

I loved the country. But I don't recall seeing a single person from Vietnam that could be described as "needing to lose weight" if you get my drift. Probably the same in Pakistan and Indonesia and Philippines. Not sure about Saudi....

That's the first thought I had, when I saw what product you were promoting and to WHO you were pitching it. Can't imagine anybody there needing to lose weight!
_____
Bruce

[Teleologist]

If your getting a lot of clicks but no sales from clickbank why not try to make some money with adsense?

[William Prawira]

Originally Posted by brucerby

That's the first thought I had, when I saw what product you were promoting and to WHO you were pitching it. Can't imagine anybody there needing to lose weight!
_____
Bruce

A nice observation.

Need to add that most of the people on Vietnam are not fat. Aside from their income are smaller compared to UK, USA, or new zealand, Most of the countries targeted are not speaking english. And the internet accessibility are still quite low.

[calfred]

Originally Posted by Teleologist

If your getting a lot of clicks but no sales from clickbank why not try to make some money with adsense?

I've been an AdSense guy for the past 1 year. It's all good.

So, yeah.

But writing to sell might be the problem here.

[calfred]

Originally Posted by RussRuffino

Hey cal,

Just saw this. I wouldn't promote Burn the Fat - stick to products that are in desperate niches, with problems that are universal. Feel free to geo-target your campaign, but be aware that you may have to pay slightly more than $.01 to see a ton of impressions - maybe $.03 - .04, so still super cheap - depending on how narrow you go.

Other than that, it is ALL about your ability to pre-sell the traffic. In this case, I think it's just that the product is wrong, but just in case, for the next thing you promote, PM me your squeeze page. I'll opt-in and have a look at your sales sequence and see if I have any ideas about what you can improve. Cool?

Russ

Hey Russ,

You bet it's cool!

I'll contact you via PM ok.

Really wanna make this a success though.

[britannia]

Very interesting thread as ive started with 1 penny clicks on the display network selling my own teeth whitening products so no clickbank or other peoples products.

What Ive found so far is getting a good number of keywords is vital to get the impressions needed. So in effect you are pulling in impressions from a huge number of locations in a scatter shot effect rather than the targeted keywords used in adwords itself. Its down to your ads to convert the impressions to clicks and your landing page to covert clicks to sales, the whole process needs thinking about and tweaking.

The main issue I have is the time it takes google to accept the ads its taking a week a time at the moment so its not a simple thing to tweak their side.

[dking1]

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[dennis1212]

Calfred... I am in the same exact boat....plenty cheap optins. changing funnel product the other day to a cheap $11 product got me a quick sale and thats it since then. I am thinking I need to create my own super product to sell super cheap like $7. Can you help me and share any new results or success...please. have you removed any really bad country choices?, to improve conversions without drastically affecting your traffic and optins?


Thx
dennis