Owners of Article Marketing Robot

[jabs83]

To anyone who own AMR, do you use the program to spin articles or do you choose to use a different spinning program?

[GeorgR.]

Spinnerchief

[Chris Sorrell]

Magic article rewriter or spinnerchief. AMR is by fair the best for submissions though.

[Heavenstorm]

I use spinnerchief as it is free and has all the functions I want. Sometimes I just submit the articles without spinning too.

[Dr.faizan]

Hey guys I heard spinning articles is no more going to work although I am not sure but I was told by someone that the article should be understandable.

[eddie.dillinger]

I ran several split tests on article spinning back in November. Google has updated their algorithm to run words through a thesaurus and can spot poorly spun content and keep it out of their index. Only one article out of the ten submitted was indexed two weeks later after pinging and bookmarking. Content was spun to 40% uniqueness and it wasn't even the original hand written article that got indexed. Don't waste your time. In the time it takes to spin a descent article you could write five unique articles that make grammatical sense. Hire a content writer if you have to.

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Spinnerchief and Best Spinner works perfectly for spinning

[markowe]

I hate automatically spun stuff, it sucks, it's just filling the Internet with crap. A dumb computer can't possibly rewrite content in any meaningful fashion. I prefer to manually spin in Notepad - yes, it takes more time but makes more sense...

I am wondering though, as Eddie suggests (actual EVIDENCE of TESTING, wow, that is rare on an SEO forum!) - just how effective this sort of article distribution is. I seem to be getting a low indexing rate too and wonder if I might just as well submit the same article unaltered. I will see after my latest round of experiments...

[aj113]

Originally Posted by markowe

.....actual EVIDENCE of TESTING, wow, that is rare on an SEO forum!......

Agreed, but anecdotal evidence doesn't actually count as evidence per se. 'Spun content' does not necessarily = 'poorly spin content'.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by Dr.faizan

Hey guys I heard spinning articles is no more going to work although I am not sure but I was told by someone that the article should be understandable.

That's why you use TBS or SC...you dont do auto-spin..you do this manually and select GOOD synonyms or alternative sentences or both. Very readable.

Spinning does NOT automatically mean its not readable.

[markowe]

Originally Posted by aj113

Agreed, but anecdotal evidence doesn't actually count as evidence per se. 'Spun content' does not necessarily = 'poorly spin content'.

I agree we need more than just 'I did x, and y happened' - there are enough threads around on the lines of 'I built 500,000 profile links and my site disappeared', but at least it's SOMETHING. Most SEO threads are full of nothing but hearsay and conjecture - people just quoting what they have heard other people quoting. Anyway, if I collect anything more concrete I will certainly share (see a small snippet below).

About the quality of spun content, the OP's question seemed to indicate a belief that one type of spinning software might be better than another, suggesting that he was meaning to use it in the purely automatic mode, which I will be so bold as to say will ALWAYS result in poorly spun content. I could be wrong about the context of his question, I admit.

Like I said, I spin manually, creating meaningful variations on my article. It takes a good hour for a long article (600 words+) but I feel a lot better for not adding to the crap. However, I AM wondering whether there is any point...

Here is an example - or call it anecdotal if you wish: I did a submission using an outsourcer to 2500 article directories of what I would call a well-spun article (manually, by me). Within an hour or so, 30 articles were indexed out of 250 reported either approved or pending (say, 200 approved).

6-7 hours later there are STILL only 30 indexed. I'd kind of expect a little better than that on the whole, especially out of the whole 2500!

Not evidence, true, maybe says more about Google's opinion of most article directories, but still, another anecdote to add to the collection.

[jabs83]

Originally Posted by eddie.dillinger

Google has updated their algorithm to run words through a thesaurus and can spot poorly spun content and keep it out of their index.

I didn't realize google had anything in their algo to spot spun content. What I like to do is spin snippets of my work, then rewrite a paragraph here or there, and also rewrite the 1st and last paragraphs.

Thanks for the replies everyone.. Spinning will always seem to be a topic of controversy.

[markowe]

Originally Posted by jabs83

I didn't realize google had anything in their algo to spot spun content.

Well, with respect, we DON'T know that - it's yet another example of conjecture

But if I was running the Google Search show I would be working on that feverishly. However, that would take a lot more than just running content through a thesaurus. What you are talking about is determining degrees of semantic equivalence, something that HAS been studied in the field of Natural Language Processing (NLP - the OTHER NLP) - I had a look around to see if Google have patented or been associated with anything like this and couldn't find anything.

But speaking as a rusty linguist I believe it's possible, I just don't know if Google are doing it in order to detect spun/duplicate content...

The upshot would be that if you were spinning content, you would have to do so NOT using synonyms, but rather by spinning sentences with somewhat DIFFERING meanings which could not be detected as being semantically equivalent (i.e. having similar meanings)! E.g.:

The new shower head from Ronco {has been the subject of much debate|is set to take the world by storm|makes all other shower heads look amateur}

See what I mean? Now THAT would be an experiment, to see if syndicating out an article like that got better indexing than a regular spun article

[bobbyp21]

I'm not an expert by any means but I've heard it can take a month or two for google to find some articles. It matters most about the sites it was posted on from what I've read recently. I have no data to back any of this up but I'm just passing along what I've heard recently, especially after the google algorithm change. Some article sites have dropped 30% to 50% in traffic.

[markowe]

Originally Posted by bobbyp21

I'm not an expert by any means but I've heard it can take a month or two for google to find some articles. It matters most about the sites it was posted on from what I've read recently. I have no data to back any of this up but I'm just passing along what I've heard recently, especially after the google algorithm change. Some article sites have dropped 30% to 50% in traffic.

I wonder if Google 'can't' or just 'won't' find them. I mean, let's face it, most article directories are just content/link farms if we're honest. Still, I am surprised that I am seeing such a tiny fraction are getting indexed, at least in the first 24 hours. If you're right, maybe the number of backlinks will gradually grow in time Though I fear not - things tend to stabilise fairly quickly after a big article submit as far as I have seen.

[AStateOfLogic]

Originally Posted by eddie.dillinger

I ran several split tests on article spinning back in November. Google has updated their algorithm to run words through a thesaurus and can spot poorly spun content and keep it out of their index. Only one article out of the ten submitted was indexed two weeks later after pinging and bookmarking. Content was spun to 40% uniqueness and it wasn't even the original hand written article that got indexed. Don't waste your time. In the time it takes to spin a descent article you could write five unique articles that make grammatical sense. Hire a content writer if you have to.

I completely agree Eddie. It is a waste of time to spin. If you try to do it automated or quickly it probably won't get indexed, and if you do spin it good enough to get indexed then you might as well just wrote something new.

[Tom Goodwin]

IMHO, there are a couple of issues with this.

(1) As already noted, not all spinning is equal. Although, IMHO, it doesn't really need to be that great. I use The Best Spinner and it works well enough for my purposes.

(2) pinging + bookmarking (at least if we are talking about traditional bookmarking sites) does little for indexing in my experience. Pinging does nothing these days, and bookmarking is perhaps the most overhyped indexing and/or backlinking method ever talked about.

Using The Best Spinner + an established Backlink Energizer cluster I get >70% indexing rate within 7 days for my spun AMR content.

Originally Posted by eddie.dillinger

I ran several split tests on article spinning back in November. Google has updated their algorithm to run words through a thesaurus and can spot poorly spun content and keep it out of their index. Only one article out of the ten submitted was indexed two weeks later after pinging and bookmarking. Content was spun to 40% uniqueness and it wasn't even the original hand written article that got indexed. Don't waste your time. In the time it takes to spin a descent article you could write five unique articles that make grammatical sense. Hire a content writer if you have to.