There's no logic in Google

[BoJon]

What is Google doing? I have a site that's been on Google for 3 months. A few days ago I was on page 7 and now all of a sudden I'm on page 39 for the keyword I'm trying to rank for. I'm mean there's no logic in Google...

And besides I have 62 more backlinks than another website that are on page 1, place #7. So I don't deserve to be on page 39, instead I should be on page 1.

[afam4eva]

Google is not totally illogical.

You have to note that it's not only backlinks that are used to rank. On-site SEO is also very key and as they say Content is king.

[tompatrick]

It might have had happened just because of the Panda update. Google is logical as well has each and every resaon for exery ramking change as per the google Panda update most of the sites like business.com, hubpages, ezinearticles are effected so work according to the Google guidelines and nothing will effect your rankings

[Peetr]

Hi BoJon,

I think afam is right. Google has been cracking down on sites that distribute less than stellar content.

It could be that you’ve not measured up?

Thanks!

Peetr

[robertseo]

Google logic is easy. Give users quality content, and you WILL be rewarded. If you try to save money, hire a cheap SEO person, have some poor kid in a poor country spam links, it's only a matter of time before the almighty G figures it out and bye bye your site goes. Give users quality content!!!

[charu.seo]

google only consider quality n unique content....

[iamolspeak]

Originally Posted by afam4eva

Google is not totally illogical.

You have to note that it's not only backlinks that are used to rank. On-site SEO is also very key and as they say Content is king.

I totally agree with you my friend. With On-Page Optimization can get rank on Google.

[TBInternetMarketing]

If your site is only 3 months old it could be dancing at the moment. ALL of my sites do this in the first few months. It will probably be back soon.

[BoJon]

Yes you said it "Content is king". I have content and it's pretty good too. Then on page 7 I find a site with "just a headline" and no content. And this site is better ranked than my site.

We both share the same keywords in the domain name, the only different is that I have content. Both are review sites, but no reviews up yet on this other site.

Exciting

Originally Posted by afam4eva

Google is not totally illogical.

You have to note that it's not only backlinks that are used to rank. On-site SEO is also very key and as they say Content is king.

[pdrs]

it's probably a dance at 3 months, happens all the time, it sucks, but things will come back eventually, and probably better than before.

Also what everyone has said about quality content is spot on. I think that visit length etc... plays a roll in your rankings as well.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by BoJon

What is Google doing? I have a site that's been on Google for 3 months. A few days ago I was on page 7 and now all of a sudden I'm on page 39 for the keyword I'm trying to rank for. I'm mean there's no logic in Google...

And besides I have 62 more backlinks than another website that are on page 1, place #7. So I don't deserve to be on page 39, instead I should be on page 1.

Your stats here are logical. Classic actually.

Every new domain that has reasonably detailed content gets a "honeymoon" period with Google, and then a few months after that you lose ranking. Then it's just a slow and steady pace going onwards and upwards.

Patience = Instant Results (in how you feel)

[BoJon]

Yes! I hope this is the reason, because I've put a lot of work in the content, so it's not a "cheap site". I'm definitely not against quality content, it's more fun to create something with proper content and perhaps/hopefully unique.

Originally Posted by TBInternetMarketing

If your site is only 3 months old it could be dancing at the moment. ALL of my sites do this in the first few months. It will probably be back soon.

[TZ]

Originally Posted by Peetr

Hi BoJon,

I think afam is right. Google has been cracking down on sites that distribute less than stellar content.

It could be that you’ve not measured up?

Thanks!

Peetr

Oh, don't worry......there is LOTS of "less than stellar content" getting loads of traffic still.

e.g.; #5 out of over 14 million pages of competition for the keyword how to start choose an online niche

http://ezinearticles.com/?Choosing-A...dge&id=6082146

Not the worst article but basically drivel.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by BoJon

And besides I have 62 more backlinks than another website that are on page 1, place #7. So I don't deserve to be on page 39, instead I should be on page 1.

Wrong on all counts. The sheer number of backlinks is not a sign of anything.

You are exactly where google thinks you deserve to be. They don't rank sites
on numbers of backlinks and whether the website owner thinks they are
the next best thing since sliced bread.

It would be totally illogical for them to do that.

Paul

[LAF Riot]

Same thing happened to me a couple days ago. I have a niche review site about 3 months old with well written reviews that was climbing the ranks steadily. I got as high as 22 for my keyword and then it fell of the face of the earth down to the 700s. I'm hoping it is just the dance. Should I keep building backlinks and adding content or leave the site alone for a week or two?

[yukon]

It makes perfect sense, If you don't think about it.

[lol, just playing]

Originally Posted by BoJon

What is Google doing? I have a site that's been on Google for 3 months. A few days ago I was on page 7 and now all of a sudden I'm on page 39 for the keyword I'm trying to rank for. I'm mean there's no logic in Google...

And besides I have 62 more backlinks than another website that are on page 1, place #7. So I don't deserve to be on page 39, instead I should be on page 1.

[App Developers]

Try to think back, did you change your site's content? It isn't only about the back links so be careful and monitor everything you do on the site. At one time I slipped back eight spots, but......I had changed some of my wording. I changed it back and moved up the eight I had lost!

[John Williamson]

Originally Posted by BoJon

What is Google doing? I have a site that's been on Google for 3 months. A few days ago I was on page 7 and now all of a sudden I'm on page 39 for the keyword I'm trying to rank for. I'm mean there's no logic in Google...

And besides I have 62 more backlinks than another website that are on page 1, place #7. So I don't deserve to be on page 39, instead I should be on page 1.

Actually, Google is almost entirely made up of logic: if-then statements and algorithms, and linear algebra

[wqs2946]

It is not decide on how much backlink do you have but the quality of backlink, either it is 'dofollow' or not! Or it depends to what is the value of backlink you have, is it a PR0 backlink or PR7 backlink, it makes a huge different!

[BoJon]

Backlinks isn't the only thing that I rely on. I also have the keyword I'm trying to rank for in my domain name. I did follow a guide where basically everything is covered. At least my site deserves a better ranking than an empty site with just one headline which isn't quality content or unique content, it's NO content.

Originally Posted by paulgl

Wrong on all counts. The sheer number of backlinks is not a sign of anything.

You are exactly where google thinks you deserve to be. They don't rank sites
on numbers of backlinks and whether the website owner thinks they are
the next best thing since sliced bread.

It would be totally illogical for them to do that.

Paul

[BoJon]

Originally Posted by John Williamson

Actually, Google is almost entirely made up of logic: if-then statements and algorithms, and linear algebra

OK, so maybe the code is logic, but not the end result (in some cases)!

[John Williamson]

Originally Posted by BoJon

OK, so maybe the code is logic, but not the end result (in some cases)!

Yea, I know what you mean. It seems illogical to us sometimes, but makes perfect sense to the folks behind the algorithm.

[iQwestArticles]

There's no doubt content is important, but many sites appear to be getting burned with the Panda update and other tweaks that continue to be made.

I'm in the same boat as some of the posters on this thread. I have some new affiliate marketing blogs, only 1 - 1.5 months old, very little advertising outside of the one affiliate I'm marketing (Amazon), roughly 20+ articles per blog with each of them averaging 250 - 500 words of original content (that I personally wrote), and my posts (and organic Google search traffic) have fallen off the face of the earth in the past week in terms of Google SERP. Yes, my blogs and all their pages are still indexed, new content that I'm writing is being indexed almost immediately, and I'm seeing no indications of any issues in Google's web tools. I've manually backlinked these posts with sites like FolkD, Delicious, Digg, FriendFeed, Twitter, etc. and I've practiced no black hat techniques that I'm aware of, haven't purchased links, etc.

When I search for keyword phrases I've targeted, there are some phrases that have 2 or 3 bookmarked links of my actual article ranking on the 1st page of Google. Other sites are keyword stuffed to the gills and are loaded with links and almost no content (sites that we're being told the Panda update was supposed to be eliminating). Of course, my actual post can't be found anywhere unless I put the entire link in the search box. Then, I'm #1 on Google!

So, yes, content is extremely important, but I think it's hard to say that someone not ranking is simply because they have bad content as I'm seeing loads of spammy content sitting pretty.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by afam4eva

Google is not totally illogical.

You have to note that it's not only backlinks that are used to rank. On-site SEO is also very key and as they say Content is king.

Content is NOT king.

[Chris Sorrell]

It's usually nothing but a 'feeling out' period before more often than not you come back a little stronger as long as you keep up your backlinking efforts.

[voiceofthepatriot]

Google is a mess. It is so hard to figure out. I dont get it. All I can do is forge ahead and make changes accordingly.

[terrapurus]

Originally Posted by BoJon

What is Google doing? I have a site that's been on Google for 3 months. A few days ago I was on page 7 and now all of a sudden I'm on page 39 for the keyword I'm trying to rank for. I'm mean there's no logic in Google...

And besides I have 62 more backlinks than another website that are on page 1, place #7. So I don't deserve to be on page 39, instead I should be on page 1.

Google is governed by mathematics which is pure logic. You simply fail to understand that logic. Just because you fail to understand a concept does not mean the concept fails to exist.

[BoJon]

Originally Posted by terrapurus

Google is governed by mathematics which is pure logic. You simply fail to understand that logic. Just because you fail to understand a concept does not mean the concept fails to exist.

I do believe that Googles logic exist, I don't think I said anything against the fact that it exists. I believe it exists but sometimes it doesn't feels right.

[BoJon]

First my site was on page 7 for the keyword phrase I'm trying to rank for, then it ended up on page 52 for several weeks. Now I was about to say that my site popped back, but it didn't only do that, it came back even stronger than before and now I'm on page 1.

So it appears that Google is more logic now than it was before

[yukon]

Originally Posted by BoJon

First my site was on page 7 for the keyword phrase I'm trying to rank for, then it ended up on page 52 for several weeks. Now I was about to say that my site popped back, but it didn't only do that, it came back even stronger than before and now I'm on page 1.

So it appears that Google is more logic now than it was before

So, your saying as long as your site ranks good (page #1) then Google has some logic about themselves? If you drop in the SERPs then they are illogical?

Once you understand that sites bounce, you won't even take the time to care about it.

BTW, are you sure your not looking at personalized search results (now)?

[iAmNameLess]

This isn't a matter of logic, LOL... chances are it is data center related. OR, you were previously ranked higher, because you were logged into your google account, and maybe you just now logged out and found your depressing, REAL, ranking.

[packerfan]

Here's all you can do...

Nail you on-page SEO. Keyword in domain, H1, H2, H3, bold, mention in first and last sentence, a few times in the article. Link back to the page you're trying to rank for from other pages on your site using the keyword.

Then get to backlinking and don't stop. Find high PR blogs to comment on, do some guest posting, issue a press release, buy an AMR blast on fiverr, then blast those links with auto approve scrapebox blog comments. There are a million other things, but just keep after it.

If you're "sandboxed" try to find some PR5+ blogs to post on or guest post on.

Otherwise just keep working and be patient.

[simonbuzz]

Originally Posted by afam4eva

Google is not totally illogical.

You have to note that it's not only backlinks that are used to rank. On-site SEO is also very key and as they say Content is king.

He is right and also who is linking to you is important...if you have 100 backlinks from pr N/a and your competitor has 50 high pr backlinks then he can easily beat you...so build quality backlinks and that way you can rank high in the serps