FAQ - Google Masterclass - don't even think about starting a Google thread until you have read this

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

I've definitely varied the anchor text considerably since the penalty hit with the usual "click here", "more info" and URL anchor text, but nothing has changed much. All the backlinks are indexed too, that's the basics of SEO were talking about here

It annoys me to see my competitor with all of the backlinks with the same keyword yet he's ranking fine. Oh Google, how I hate you!

The backlink checkers seemingly don't like showing the other none keyword targeted links.

One VERY strange thing has happened though; it has jumped from the abyss to 20th then to 10th (exactly) as back to 20th again. I find it strange that it's 'stuck' on multiples of 10.

I also keep noticing the keyword tanks whenever I link to it from my authority site, then once I remove the backlink it goes back up to 20-50. Bloody Google

Thanks for the reply dude, always good to have input from others.

Depending on how many links you've submitted in the past it might take a long time to adjust your link profile. If you've got 2000 spun article links out there, it'll take 200+ generic links to do it. If you've ever done any profile link blasting, you might need far more even if neither Google or Yahoo reports them in a backlink check. Make sure you have a lot of non-keyword links out there too, not just "here" and "this" type links. A natural link profile with have lots of these. Basically link with your direct full URL as the keyword.

Is your authority site on the same IP as the site you are linking to by any chance? Anything else that links those two sites in Google's eyes, such as Analytics?

Remember, Google spends a LOT of time looking at spam and junk site for patterns and adjusting their algorithms to filter out as many as possible based on those patterns.

A quick glance at your page shows me the following spam red flags:
1) You have six links out to Amazon on that one page. And no other outlinks.
2) You have a keyword stuffed link on the page pointing back itself.
3) Your keyword density is too high. You use that same exact keyword 12 times in the article.
4) Your about page has only one word on it.
5) You are using Google Analytics on that page. You are basically publishing your bounce rate and where your traffic comes from to Google. You are showing their algorithm that your site receives 99% of it's visitors from Google and most of them bounce.

Again, don't take this the wrong way. You have to think like a Google engineer programming their algorithm to find spam and remove it. That page screams SEO spam for the reasons above and they've dropped you because you went over some given threshold for more than one of those items.

[simonbuzz]

nice FAQ this post will answer most of the common question so newbies should read this post before starting a thread about their site getting DE-indexed.

[mkl3377]

Hi Electron Plumber,

This is just a great post. Thanks for taking the time to start this thread to help out those less skilled in SEO.

I have a few sites that I cannot figure out. one of them is Superhero site
This site got as high as #7 on page 1. A few months back it took a dump and I cant pin down what I did that may have caused it to do so.

I've gone through the first few test to check if deindexed and did the site search and I can find it on the top spot(well, for me anyways) when I search for the domain name with and with out quotes and with and with out the "www". But when I search for the KW superhero halloween costumes it does not show up and a couple of my post actually are spreadout accross the 100-300 spots.

So would you mind taking a look at the site cuz you can probably see something I cant. (being that it's my site I think it's perfect..hehe) Maybe with your help I can finally figure out how to get it back up.

Thanks

[rafiseo]

Hey I have a relevant question.

My question is can a deindexed backlink pass link juice?

Suppose my backlink has been indexed by google. Then I have blasted 10000 forum profiles using xrmer. Then google deindexed the backlink as a penalty for link blast. So the question is will the tier-1 link still pass link juice from 10000 forum post? Or as the link is deindexed so the link juice will not pass to my moneypage anymore?

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by mkl3377

Hi Electron Plumber,

This is just a great post. Thanks for taking the time to start this thread to help out those less skilled in SEO.

I have a few sites that I cannot figure out. one of them is Superhero site
This site got as high as #7 on page 1. A few months back it took a dump and I cant pin down what I did that may have caused it to do so.

I've gone through the first few test to check if deindexed and did the site search and I can find it on the top spot(well, for me anyways) when I search for the domain name with and with out quotes and with and with out the "www". But when I search for the KW superhero halloween costumes it does not show up and a couple of my post actually are spreadout accross the 100-300 spots.

So would you mind taking a look at the site cuz you can probably see something I cant. (being that it's my site I think it's perfect..hehe) Maybe with your help I can finally figure out how to get it back up.

Thanks

I love it when people ask why their site has fallen and have a sig message selling links or SEO services.

mkl3377, you have a number of issues with that site. Luckily it appears to be neither deindexed or penalized (yet) so that's good. Your two biggest issues:

1) Loss of backlinks and lack of backlinks. You don't have enough decent backlinks for that site. You have a ton of junk blog comment links on pages that have 500 other links on them and you're lost in the noise. Check your Yahoo backlink profile. The largest and best site that I could find on there (a PR5 site!) that was half your reported backlinks no longer has your link on it's pages:
Site Explorer - Search Results
2) Too many links on your homepage. You have 79 internal links and 35 external links on your homepage, half of which are nofollow! You are basically throwing over half your link juice into a bottomless pit.

Note that both of these items are already included in the FAQ. Go read it again and take your time this time.

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by rafiseo

Hey I have a relevant question.

My question is can a deindexed backlink pass link juice?

Suppose my backlink has been indexed by google. Then I have blasted 10000 forum profiles using xrmer. Then google deindexed the backlink as a penalty for link blast. So the question is will the tier-1 link still pass link juice from 10000 forum post? Or as the link is deindexed so the link juice will not pass to my moneypage anymore?

Rafiseo,
While I have never performed or seen an experiment done with deindexed pages specifically, I suspect that if they do pass link juice it's not much. Most profile links never get indexed, but people see some results from them anyway.

So it's either that deindexed pages don't pass link juice and when you do 10000 profiles only maybe a few hundred get indexed and that's what works. Or non-indexed pages pass only a fractional amount of link juice.

Either way, it's probably not worth spending much time on.

[mkl3377]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

I love it when people ask why their site has fallen and have a sig message selling links or SEO services.

First off, I do not sell links nor SEO services. Just because I like a service and think it might be beneficial to me and others (and I may be wrong) and link to it doesnt mean it's mine. Please get your facts straight before you start making assumptions. Yes I'm a little agitated because I hate it when others misrepresent themeslves like like so I dont appreciate it when I'm accused of it

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If it is not your product, you should NOT have a link to it here ;-)

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

1) Loss of backlinks and lack of backlinks. You don't have enough decent backlinks for that site. You have a ton of junk blog comment links on pages that have 500 other links on them and you're lost in the noise. Check your Yahoo backlink profile. The largest and best site that I could find on there (a PR5 site!) that was half your reported backlinks no longer has your link on it's pages:
Site Explorer - Search Results
2) Too many links on your homepage. You have 79 internal links and 35 external links on your homepage, half of which are nofollow! You are basically throwing over half your link juice into a bottomless pit.

Note that both of these items are already included in the FAQ. Go read it again and take your time this time.

Thanks for taking time to give your insight. I will revisit the FAQ and see if I can follow it more closely and make the necessary adjustments. It's a wealth of info in there and it's easy for one to miss the details. It's nice of you to put it up.

[mrehan]

Hi Electron Plumber

I started my 1st and only site in the weight loss niche in June 2010. Since i was learning (and still am) about SEO I did things which in hindsight would not do now. Anyway it did rank for a couple of weeks in Aug '10, Nov'10 , Feb '11 and finally after the Panda update was ranking for 2 months from June '11 - Aug '11. During this jun - Aug period , I became a little greedy and started optimizing for on page seo and changed or added some H2 and H3 tags. Also remove/changed some in text links. After reading your thread assumed that my site would have sunk in Aug'11 due to the on page changes. Now I have changed my site back to the way it was before June '11. Four days have passed till today, but no change in ranking. How long do you think if I should see any results if in fact my site sunk due to the on page factors. I do prefer the site after I changed it (during Jun - Aug '11) it as it is better optimized than previously.

P.S - It is a 30 page site and some non competitive KWs still ranking on 1st page of Google . There has been no change of the ranking on Bing and Yahoo and most of the KWs are on page 1.

Your thoughts please.....

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by mkl3377

First off, I do not sell links nor SEO services. Just because I like a service and think it might be beneficial to me and others (and I may be wrong) and link to it doesnt mean it's mine. Please get your facts straight before you start making assumptions. Yes I'm a little agitated because I hate it when others misrepresent themeslves like like so I dont appreciate it when I'm accused of it.

Well mkl3377, posting affiliate links are against the rules here on the Warrior Forum, in your sig or otherwise. In fact it's rule #1:
New members - Please read this!

Apologies for not having my "facts straight". I assumed it was your own service since otherwise you are violating the rules and likely to have the links removed and possibly your account banned.

[mkl3377]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

Well mkl3377, posting affiliate links are against the rules here on the Warrior Forum, in your sig or otherwise. In fact it's rule #1:
New members - Please read this!

Apologies for not having my "facts straight". I assumed it was your own service since otherwise you are violating the rules and likely to have the links removed and possibly your account banned.

Aiyaiayai!!! My bad,.Again, one of the many many details to be remembered being online. Saw some stragglers do it thought it was ok. Mistake corrected. THX...

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by mrehan

Hi Electron Plumber

I started my 1st and only site in the weight loss niche in June 2010. Since i was learning (and still am) about SEO I did things which in hindsight would not do now. Anyway it did rank for a couple of weeks in Aug '10, Nov'10 , Feb '11 and finally after the Panda update was ranking for 2 months from June '11 - Aug '11. During this jun - Aug period , I became a little greedy and started optimizing for on page seo and changed or added some H2 and H3 tags. Also remove/changed some in text links. After reading your thread assumed that my site would have sunk in Aug'11 due to the on page changes. Now I have changed my site back to the way it was before June '11. Four days have passed till today, but no change in ranking. How long do you think if I should see any results if in fact my site sunk due to the on page factors. I do prefer the site after I changed it (during Jun - Aug '11) it as it is better optimized than previously.

P.S - It is a 30 page site and some non competitive KWs still ranking on 1st page of Google . There has been no change of the ranking on Bing and Yahoo and most of the KWs are on page 1.

Your thoughts please.....

It's super hard to say without looking at your site and knowing if you've been penalized or not. Run the tests in the FAQ to see if you are deindexed or penalized and report back. You could be chasing shadows by making on page changes.

[mrehan]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

It's super hard to say without looking at your site and knowing if you've been penalized or not. Run the tests in the FAQ to see if you are deindexed or penalized and report back. You could be chasing shadows by making on page changes.

I did the check. Non of the pages are de-indexed. 3 pages are still on 1st page of google (low competition). Earlier these pages were ranking for many long tail key words but after the site dropped ranking it is now showing on 1st page only for its main keyword. Another 2 pages are sunk showing on 4 and 5th pages of google.
And the rest of the pages are not visible in the top 100. but are not penalized as they are the 1st results when performing the penalized test.

I was/am building backlinks thru UAW from Feb- Apr '11 and on MAN from May -Sep '11.
So what do you think?

And should I continue with the original on page seo (which I reverted back to a few days ago) or revert back to the optimized on page seo which I did in June.

[Blog 7Health]

THANK YOU

AHMED

[cyberadi]

May i have new site with couple of pages and only spinned articles backlinks submitted by plugin, for a couple of first weeks, to only test how my site is ranked in serps and after that to make efforts for really quality SEO?

[cyberadi]

I mean does the articles submitters good for new sites?

[cyberadi]

and it will not be penalized by G?

[peterlaz]

Is it safe to use Google Webmaster Tools? Surely they can find out all the sites you own from GWT. Google just don't like affiliate sites. They like the big boys.

If yours is an affiliate site, don't bother to request a re-consideration. It will never be considered. Why would they? Their stated mission seems to create an environment where affiliate will live in fear that their sites could be penalized or de-indexed anytime.

They don't have the means to implement their quality guidelines. Just look at the crap sites they show in the SERPs. Quality sites get penalized while crap sites appear high in the SERPs. Even if you have 100 percent original content but if you are an affiliate the sword of Damocles will drop on your head anytime. Make no mistake about it.

With all the Panda crap that we hear everyday, Google has no definite ways of ensuring a site confirms to their so called "quality guidelines". So they use the fear of intimidation to keep publishers online.

It seems to rank high your site must please Google not your readers! It is just a matter of time before the sword drops on your head for the filmiest reasons. Just move on!

[housewarrior]

I had a very important site to get de-indexed. It was like a kick in the guts, or getting fired. Let me tell you. I knew I was a little iffy on some things....and not big things. Well, somehow, some way, after 10 years they found me out.

I fixed what I suspected were the sticking points, and figgering I had nothing to lose asked for reconsideration. A few days later it was back. Nary a word from a human at Google did I hear.

However, there is an important difference in getting sent to the back of the line and getting taken off.

When you get sent to the closet, you fix what you think needs fixing, and if successful, everything comes back after awhile.

But when they remove your site. It's gone gone doggies. When and if it comes back, you are looking at your index page. Period. Everything else must come back naturally. From scratch.

The good news is that your other pages do come back...in time.

The bad news is that forevermore you know you are under a microscope. Makes you want to throw up and quit.

It's a sickening experience. For real and for true. It is amazing, this power that Google has over us.

Norm

[jgerych]

First of all thank you very much for starting a great thread and summarizing all the important information.

I would be really glad if you could give me some advice. I started 3 different relationship niches and they all ranked quite well considering the effort and time invested into creating backlinks. The sites are about 8 months old. I targeted mainly low competition keywords and had some 1st places.

Maybe two months ago all of my niches disappeared from Google. They do not seem to be deindexed or penalized (I tried what you wrote and Google is still indexing all of the pages). But when I ran Traffictravis to find out if I got sunk, it shows zero everywhere. So, I am either not there or at >50. place. The sites are almost gone from yahoo etc. as well, but not completely, however I do not know how well they ranked before, if at all.

What do you think might be happening? My thoughts are that it can be caused by the web page itself rather than the backlinks, I created nearly all of them manually at article directories - ezine etc. No mass spamming and the articles were at least spun and corrected to make sense, never 100% duplicate content.

The 3 niches have different content, are targeted for different keywords but have exactly the same layout. Two of them were still worked on until recently, so they had some duplicate content (some of the subpages on the domain twice). The third one appears to be alright but has disappeared from Google as well.

I wanted to post the URL but I can't because of post count, I'd PM you if you (or someone) is kind enough to help.

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by jgerych

First of all thank you very much for starting a great thread and summarizing all the important information.

I would be really glad if you could give me some advice. I started 3 different relationship niches and they all ranked quite well considering the effort and time invested into creating backlinks. The sites are about 8 months old. I targeted mainly low competition keywords and had some 1st places.

Maybe two months ago all of my niches disappeared from Google. They do not seem to be deindexed or penalized (I tried what you wrote and Google is still indexing all of the pages). But when I ran Traffictravis to find out if I got sunk, it shows zero everywhere. So, I am either not there or at >50. place. The sites are almost gone from yahoo etc. as well, but not completely, however I do not know how well they ranked before, if at all.

What do you think might be happening? My thoughts are that it can be caused by the web page itself rather than the backlinks, I created nearly all of them manually at article directories - ezine etc. No mass spamming and the articles were at least spun and corrected to make sense, never 100% duplicate content.

The 3 niches have different content, are targeted for different keywords but have exactly the same layout. Two of them were still worked on until recently, so they had some duplicate content (some of the subpages on the domain twice). The third one appears to be alright but has disappeared from Google as well.

I wanted to post the URL but I can't because of post count, I'd PM you if you (or someone) is kind enough to help.

Go very carefully though the last section of the FAQ, the Sunk part. Then if you think you're doing everything on there right (lots of fresh backlinks from diverse high value pages, good keyword targeting, no site errors, etc.) then post the site here. Doesn't need to be a link, just spell it out.

[haiyaiya]

I had so many questions about google but you took care of all of them in your FAQ.

Thanks ElectronPlumber!

[georgewoodman]

Hi Electron,

Back in April I got some great advice from you which i acted on. It made a great difference to my rankings and they appear to be stable now. I somehow forgot to thank you at the time, so thank you very much indeed - you've made the difference between making a little money and making nothing. It also stopped me from giving up altogether.

All the best to you
George

[zatarim]

Hi,

I read your post here at warriar forums -Google Thread- my site: freespywareremovaltools.com get deindexed 1 month ago the only page remain indexed is the site map please check on google

i remeber i upload before 2weeks from deindexing a wordpress plugin and set it to submit 3000 blog comments.

for the site it have 3 pages -article pages- are original.

what should i do regard this site is should i send a reconsideration or should i do sth before

please help me

and thanks

[usearchme2]

Originally Posted by zatarim

Hi,

I read your post here at warriar forums -Google Thread- my site: freespywareremovaltools.com get deindexed 1 month ago the only page remain indexed is the site map please check on google

i remeber i upload before 2weeks from deindexing a wordpress plugin and set it to submit 3000 blog comments.

for the site it have 3 pages -article pages- are original.

what should i do regard this site is should i send a reconsideration or should i do sth before

please help me

and thanks

your sites very poor quality

you might want to check how many times you mention the words

free spyware removal

on just one page of your site !!!!

Woc

[Webwolf]

Thanks for the post. helped quite a bit to better understand how Google thinks...

I lost some sleep over a site I took over a couple of weeks ago, because it shows as not indexed in Google webmaster tool, but when I tested it with the "Site: " seach in Google it actually showed 700+ pages ... the site also shows on page 2 in Google for the exact site name keyword...
I have to do some more testing to see if it just needs more time to get all indexed in Google...

But your post and the long thread helped

thanks
webwolf

[xaby]

thanks for the time for the posting. a few thoughts i have:

1. too much links (unnatural) is this is true, then we can simply sabotage competitors. in fact its probably cheaper to sabotage than to build links for your own site. as such, i personally feel anything that you (or anyone) as a webmaster that you have no control of, will NOT affect your site negatively. i do not think there is such a thing as black hat at all. If any were to exist, then we should open a new forum here for this.

2. robot.txt etc. Honestly speaking, google cannot assume everyone to be savvy. what if i were a college student who has some really excellent and original content to put online but im a total html noob? will google overlook my work? question to ponder.

[ingenyes]

is there a limit on the rate of backlinks you can add to your site before it becomes suspicious?

[Wasatchmax]

Hey El Plumber!

Thanks for such a great post! I have a quick question that I hope you (or anyone) can help me out with. I have a handful of affiliate sites that were all ranking well until recently when they were all hit with a Google penalty. One of the sites was a personal skiing blog (virginiaskier.com). I made some changes that I thought might have been the issue, I deleted about 50 pages with affiliate links that made up a "ski shop" (used 301's), I could see that this was definitely creating a "thin affiliate" look. After making these changes and few others, I submitted a reconsideration request. Last night I receive notice that my site still did not meet the quality guidelines. I submitted a post to the help forum in WMT and was told that because most of my posts had videos/links this was probably being seen as a doorway page. I have nothing to gain from these videos clips and links other then I think my readership enjoys them, they are not affiliate links. Is this not what most bloggers do, grab interesting content from other places on the web and write about it, and add a photo, video or link to it?

[Drewry_Media]

technically speaking, a site can be delisted due to a number of reasons.



a) duplicate content w/ no original content


b) a website with a massive link farm


c) engaging in link wheels


d) dup. forum reply


e) & much more





it's always a proven fact that the best way to avoid your site from being delisted and placed in the search engine sandbox is to:



a) keep site content fresh often


b) provide useful links to relevant sites


c) provide meaningful content


d) don't ping your site often


e) stay away from mixing duplicate content with unique content




So what does everyone think of what I've posted here as a reply ? :-)

[keyon]

Originally Posted by chrislangley

...joining Google Webmaster Tools will ease that worry

I'm not so sure that joining Google Webmaster Tools necessarily eases worry. I've been following threads like this for some time now, and I've come to the conclusion that GWT does more to create needless worry than to relieve it.

I suppose for site owners who knowingly participate in high-risk SEO strategies, GWT can be sort of a radar detector for monitoring possible ill effects of what they are doing. That makes sense. But for the rest of us, who adhere to Google's quality guidelines (sort of by default because that's how we've been building sites for years anyway) GWT data can confuse and mislead us into doing things that we probably shouldn't do -- like frantically deleting pages that we "think" Google doesn't like, changing title tags, descriptions, and content that we "think" Google might object to, and submitting requests for reconsideration for sites that have NOT been deindexed or penalized.

[dreadpiraterobby]

thanks electron plumber!! !! my site was 16 and then i abandoned linking efforts it is now no where to be found.. It's still indexed.... I started linking again do you think its possible that is the result of the penalty?

[edumonsters]

OMG! Tons of Info. My mind will be overflooded now. Thank you everyone for this contribution.

It will help the newbies like me, to say the least.

Thanks again!

[edumonsters]

Originally Posted by Drewry_Media

So what does everyone think of what I've posted here as a reply ? :-)

I absolutely agree with you. The best way to SEO is good content in the long run. Social media advertising and some PPC campaigns might help with traffic in the beginning.

[edumonsters]

Originally Posted by keyon

I'm not so sure that joining Google Webmaster Tools necessarily eases worry. I've been following threads like this for some time now, and I've come to the conclusion that GWT does more to create needless worry than to relieve it.

...But for the rest of us, who adhere to Google's quality guidelines (sort of by default because that's how we've been building sites for years anyway) GWT data can confuse and mislead us into doing things that we probably shouldn't do -- like frantically deleting pages that we "think" Google doesn't like, changing title tags, descriptions, and content that we "think" Google might object to, and submitting requests for reconsideration for sites that have NOT been deindexed or penalized.

I think GWT helps because if you adhere to quality guidelines then it won't show much problems. These days description and keyword tags are obsolete. So, no need to use them. Using them is as good as not using them I think. And "Titles" are yet important and should be optimized.

One more suggestion: Don't take GWT too seriously because most of the problems it shows are suggestions only and I don't think they will hurt you much. Never worry whether Google likes a page or not! Worry whether people (visitors) like it or not. I think you'll be more optimistic that way.

[natewc]

Hi, electron. I just had 11 sites similar sites (amazon review sites) get deindexed. They are about six months old and all had google analytics on them. Some of them were on different hosting accounts also.

They were all PR 3 & PR4 (a couple PR 2) home pages and inner pages. I wrote all the reviews myself or had someone else write them although one of the articles was a USA.

An example site is Pilates Reformer Machine Reviews .

Thanks,

Nathan

[ThomasOMalley]

Hi Electron,

Great seo info. I have found it very helpful.

I have just had my new site listed on Google and Bing for a local professional service. I am on pages 4 to 8 for my keywords.

How long would it normally take to get to page one. My site is www.cobourg-porthopefamilylaw.com.

Thanks for your help.

Best,

Thomas O'Malley

[MadFin]

Thanks. Great info!

[watthewlinda]

how does it work? I want to have a try.

[slowwalkere]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

There is MUCH debate on what happens to shared IPs for SEO. The general consensus is that you will not get dinged for sharing the same IP as a site that Google has penalized. Think about the millions of domains on shared hosting plans at GoDaddy and Hostgator and the like that share the same IP as 1000-2000 others.

Case in point. Last year, I had three websites hosted on the same hosting account (three domains, same IP). One of the Wordpress installations was hacked, and some invisible, malicious links were inserted in an iframe. This led to that one site getting heavily penalized. It was still indexed, but I lost all of my Google traffic, and I didn't see it in the SERPs unless I searched with the "site:" prefix.

The other two sites were not effected in any way. Neither one was very popular (~50-100 UV/day), but they stayed in just about the same spot in the SERPs and saw no significant change in their traffic coming from Google.

I fixed the issue with the one blog, requested reconsideration through Google Webmaster tools, and all was well a few months later.

[Jool]

We have a facebook site in which we are ranking #1 in most competitive keyword. Last friday, when I checked the ranking of the site, we're still in the page 1 but outrank in top 5 and one keyword was pushed from page 1 to page 8 in G search engine. Maybe its because of the purchasing of private blog network (blogroll and blogpost) from our DEAR service provider. but when we checked with our web development team and A/B testing team, we did a site wide redirect from another facebook site we had, and it was not done properly, leaving the blog live. We had links going to home page and links going to blog, so google was probably wondering what the heck we were doing with a half redirect.

So now, another factor that comes out is because of not proper redirecting (meaning an ON page factor). What do you think guys? thanks for any help.

[Ruby Tyagi]

My few keywords are also gos down..great info...

[richard3i]

This is great info. How about 301 redirects from http to go to www of your main domain after links have already been built for the site?

[vikap10]

Amazing information in one place.

[vitaminlondon]

Thanks, saves me hours trying to scrounge through Googles Support Center!

Brilliant post

[vahn]

thanks for the post, i will make some changes to my website to prevent the deindex, penalized or sunk. i think google will always update their algorithm to wipe all the seo manipulation. in the future the content will be more important.

fortunately, most of my website is not affected by google panda.

[richim1]

Thanks ElectronPlumber for the great post!

[jhauer]

Thank you, this was great info. Would you put what people call the Google "dance" in the category in the sunk category? I have a 2 1/2 year old site on which I had never done any real backlink strategies for. Until recently there were less than 100 linkbacks. I also had not always been consistent about regular posting. Sometimes very regular, sometimes not at all.

I began regular posts (at least weekly, sometimes more). I also purchased a backlink package which seemed to be working magic. The slow steady increase in backlinks had me up to number 5 for a very important keyword. It also had me on page one for quite a few terms. I had previously never had much presence on page 1.

All of a sudden, drop! All those results dropped to page 5, 6 or lower. Google Webmaster Tools still shows over 500 backlinks from 101 domians. They also show a drop in traffic that corresponds to the drop in ranking.

One last question, can using a tool like Rankerizer get you penalized in ranking?

Thanks again for a great reference.

[HighRanking999]

Great post, it solved many confusions I had in my mind.

[JamesPenn]

Hi ElectronPlumber

Thanks for an incredibly valuable thread. I'd like to share my issue in the hope that you might be able to offer a solution.

On my health blog, I have a post titled The Top 10 Best Oils For Hair Growth. From that post I summarize each oil with a paragraph and then link to a full post discussing that oil in more detail.

Take a look here:

Top 10 Best Oils For Hair, Hair Growth & Hair Loss

That page was riding high in Google for a number of months, and so were the ten posts about the specific oils.

For example, my olive oil for hair growth post (Olive Oil For Hair & Hair Growth) was ranking #1 for the keyword "olive oil for hair growth" and #3 for "olive oil for hair" which gets about 25,000 combined monthly searches.

Plus my almond oil for hair growth post (Almond Oil For Hair & Hair Growth) was ranking #1 for almond oil for hair which gets 3k monthly searches.

Then all of a sudden my olive oil post took a dive in Google and wasn't ranking for any keywords. Then a week or so later my almond oil post did the same and so did the main 10 Best Oils post.

The almond oil post has actually been bouncing around a little in the past few months. It returns for a few weeks and then disappears again.

All the other posts in the series have decreased in rankings too.

Here are a few possible explanations and I'm wondering if you could suggest the most likely or another one.

1. All backlinks have been generated by guest posts so they are high quality, BUT each guest post uses pretty much the same anchor text. Would this be a problem?

2. 80% of my link building efforts goes towards this series despite the fact it makes up just 5% of my total site content. Would Google see this as a problem and should I start diversifying what pages I drive links to?

3. Since all backlinks are generated by guest posts, I include an author resource box which is virtually the same for each post. Can Google recognize this kind of like a "footprint" that shows the link building is not simply bloggers naturally linking, but instead me generating links?

4. The 10 Best Oils Post has a lot of links to other posts on my site. It started with just 10, but as I've added more relevant posts I've added links from the 10 Best post because of its high traffic. Should I remove some of the internal links?

I hope this post makes sense and I really appreciate any help you could offer.

Thanks,
James

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