Funny how people on here say do not worry about Page Rank

[TryBPO]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Oh Okay. So Matt is still alone on that.

Hey Mike,

Sorry, I'm confused on this...I don't think Matt was actually saying this, right? He said that having a link on a PAGE with high PR would definitely be beneficial, but having a link on a N/R page of a blog/site where only the home or index page has high PR is weak...you would agree with that, right?

Since Matt provides high-volume SEO, of course he doesn't take the time to get high PR links...along with the fact that his customers probably target pretty low-comp keywords. Would you go through the hassle of trying to get serious links for a) a customer that's paying very little and b) a site that won't be too difficult to rank anyway?

Nobody can seriously be going to him with keywords like "real estate" and "insurance quote" and expect first page for very little $$, I'm sure. In fact, it's probably more often that people go to him with keywords like "tinkerbell costume designs" that have crap searches and very little competition, heh.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by TryBPO

He said that having a link on a PAGE with high PR would definitely be beneficial, but having a link on a N/R page of a blog/site where only the home or index page has high PR is weak...you would agree with that, right?

yes I would agree with that. In my early post I made it very clear that links FROM a page that has Pr is what I was and am talking about. In this and other threads Matt has played that down and in one stated it was an out and out myth. Thats the whole reason he keeps taking about him ranking other people's sites with Pr O blogs. So its link building that is in focus and why it is so ridiculous. Sorry if you were confused.

Since Matt provides high-volume SEO, of course he doesn't take the time to get high PR links

I'm going to have to pull back on the Matt angle . The only reason the whole issue is brought up was because it was offered as evidence for supporting the ridiculous notion that PR has no great value in link building

I've used profile links (I found on my own that had a good link structure) and got to PR 1 but it certainly does NOT mean that high PR pages as a ranking factor is a myth. The Pr is flowing from other pages at a very weak level and then when you put enough of them together you get the strength of a PR1. Even on that level the Home page usually with other high PR pages is adding some fractional juice to that resulting PR 1.

. Would you go through the hassle of trying to get serious links for a) a customer that's paying very little and b) a site that won't be too difficult to rank anyway?

I take no exception to that rationale or to any service like that. it is what it is and may be good for what it does. My only exception is that you don't take what happens in weak serps and make a rule across the board for what part high PR links play in general. They ARE important and sooner or later as your site grows and you want to get more traffic and build out your sites it becomes an issue if you take what applies to weak competition to climb into more competitive ones. See it everyday with people wondering no matter what they have done with link packages their sites won't move.

I'm sure. In fact, it's probably more often that people go to him with keywords like "tinkerbell costume designs" that have crap searches and very little competition, heh.

Yes. exactly. Internet marketers do have a high percentage of Made for adsense, affiliate sites etc. they do TEND to go after weaker competition to begin with. You can rank many such sites easily but then they stall out when they move to real traffic.

However Many Imers have chosen niches that are more competitive. They come in and hear these ridiculous things and then fail. Worse their niche changes and becomes competitive. Classic example -.

Angela paved the way for backlink packages and used to rank top position for the term backlinks just using profile backlinks. Now if you go through that search results you will see that its the sites with high Pr links that are ranking not the ones that only have a bunch of forum links.

You can see that in the serps. From the competitive research I do on all kinds of keywords its relatively rare to see terms where sites rank well with just PR 0 links. I almost always see some high PRs among the leaders. Thats why I said the evidence is right there in the serps. Nex time you do a search for a fairly popular term check the backlinks and see if there are not some High pr link s holding up the top results.

In fact here;s a tip. Use SEoquake do your keyword research and check the front page. If you see the top five with PR 2s and below there is an EXCELLENT Chance you can get there relatively easy. Zeros. Stop the presses you can get there in no time.

People forget that PR is the measure of the strength of the links coming into that page. High Pr may not translate into higher serps because of the anchor text and on page issues but a very low Pr page is telling you it has no strong link juice in any niche.

Good talking to you.

[TryBPO]

Mike,

Was just checking to make sure we were on the same page and we both understood...completely agree with the points in your last post.

[prasanth5]

A recent research has shown that 98% of people see only the first page of the search results!!

[simonbuzz]

I dont care about page rank...all I do is that I find blogs that is fully related to my niche and then i put my comments and I started to see some of my sites are ranking on google..

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

IF I have enough links coming to one of my sites and it has PR4 juice running to it why in Sam's Hilll would I not want to run that to one of my other sites and help it rank? and why would I not care to get those kinds of links to my site so that I can funnel it on to another site I own so they both can be helped in their rankings? Whats the beef?

This place gets like the twilight zone sometimes.

In other words .... You inter link all your money sites pages with PR ... to the others - in order to help them rank.

Not everyone subscribes to that practice as a "good" idea.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

In other words .... You inter link all your money sites pages with PR ... to the others - in order to help them rank.

Not everyone subscribes to that practice as a "good" idea.

It's a terrible idea.

[sparckyz]

If PR was irrelevant --

Why bother inventing it as a factor?

& why invent the nofollow tag too restrict link juice?

[trang]

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

The other day a dude on here told me that basically I was being a crybaby because I was complaining/frustrated that my Page Rank was still a zero but when you looked at his Back linking service gig he was selling "High Page Rank" back links.

My site is going on 7 months old and I still have a Page Rank of Zero and this should not be a concern for me?

According to people selling these back link packages Page Rank seems to be very important because that is what they are selling.

If page rank is not that important then why do they insist to get back links from High Page Ranked sites?

Why should I kill myself creating back links from High Page Ranked sites if "Page Rank" is not important?

PR does carry a heavy weight to the SERPs but to improving our PR, you will need a legit PR that can carry lots of Weigth to your site or you will not able to upgrade for the next udpate

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

In other words .... You inter link all your money sites pages with PR ... to the others - in order to help them rank.

Not everyone subscribes to that practice as a "good" idea.

Negative. Try using my words not your other words. I do not interlink all of them. Using one site to link to another way in no way implies that they are all interlinked. You made up the "all" there.

"one of my other sites" does not equal all - in my dictionary at least..

Like I said sometimes this place is like the twilight zone

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

It's a terrible idea.

as opposed to "mininets" right? LOL

Every Idea is terrible if you don't have the knowledge to properly implement it. but no sorry. wrong. Not my idea to link them all. When you do more SEo research you will see that partner sites link to each other all the time and in real competitive serp it becomes a major factor.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Negative. Try using my words not your other words. I do not interlink all of them. Using one site to link to another way in no way implies that they are all interlinked. You made up the "all" there.

"one of my other sites" does not equal all - in my dictionary at least..

Like I said sometimes this place is like the twilight zone

I apologize for implying incorrect information Mike.

I got the impression you were interlinking them.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You can ply that utterly false information here all you want. I don't need pemisison to debunk it to save warriors from making mistakes when the encounter real competition based on totally ludicrous advice. I really don't have to go any further for anyone that knows SEO. Links on High Pr pages is myth as a ranking factor ? LOL Ok matt.

Hardly thats ALWAYS the game played. Its always a sliding scale as to what competition means. Most people have no clue. Want a competitive serp "extremely difficult" (yeah right) here

real estate - Google Search

life insurance - Google Search

marketing - Google Search

job search - Google Search

Go ahead and get to work and prove in those serps that HIgh Pr of links is is not a ranking factor. You are impressed with your testimonials in wso thread (I've seen those on garbage products in the droves)?

Show it in the serps. thats where all SEOs show their proof. No one said you can't rank in some weaker terms with pr zeros only. Its you claiming that PR as a ranking factor for a link is a myth that is totally ridiculous and a prime example of just bad SEO advice.


Wrong. a few months back you had a guarantee for first page placement (not the one you have now). You want to sit there with a straight face and claim everyone got a first page placement in a time frame they were happy with? I'll call lie there myself. thats the whole point of a guarantee. if it doesn't work out you give the money back. No one is lying about your services but you are trying to make this entire thread and every thread you bring up this myth about your services.
Now on the 90 days I could be wrong but not on the nature of your guarantee. No. You want to claim that getting high PR links is a myth as a ranking factor then go ahead and show it in the serps. it seems you can't make a point on SEO without pointing back to your sales thread.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I can. show it in the serps
Its where EVERY SEO worth his sauce does it. You get no free pass away from that.

What a duck and weave you did there. I'm not in your SEO niche mate. I don't do SEO for $79 . I deal with real businesses. My customers aren't going to come into WF forums and post reviews. LOL. you have no idea of how SEO works in the larger world do you?

Again You can't seem to make a point on SEO without reference to that sales page of yours. I've given you props for helping people who haven't done much with their sites but you are going to have to do alot better (but you can't of course) to prove that HIgh PR links is not a ranking factor in SEO.

Sorry but at this this point I can only conclude that you are making totally ridiculous claims for no other apparent reason than to sell your service. There is NO SEO I know that does not admit that a high on page PR link is a ranking factor (one of many of course) . its TOTALLY ridiculous and of all the advice I have seen in the last few months thet advice to newbies that on page High PR links is not a factor for SEO but a myth is the ABSOLUTE WORSE.

No wonder you stay away from really competitive niches. If you believe what you are selling its because you can't handle really competitive niches.

You can show all kind of people and testimonials. Line em up but what you can't fudge and is open for anyone to analyze is the search engine result pages and the competition on it. Put the serp up for analyzing. Floor is open. Bring the evidence. Google is right there for us all to look at and use a s the onlyevidence that matters. Show us there for once without pointing to your sales page or "testimonials".

Originally Posted by TryBPO

Hey Mike,

Sorry, I'm confused on this...I don't think Matt was actually saying this, right? He said that having a link on a PAGE with high PR would definitely be beneficial, but having a link on a N/R page of a blog/site where only the home or index page has high PR is weak...you would agree with that, right?

Since Matt provides high-volume SEO, of course he doesn't take the time to get high PR links...along with the fact that his customers probably target pretty low-comp keywords. Would you go through the hassle of trying to get serious links for a) a customer that's paying very little and b) a site that won't be too difficult to rank anyway?

Nobody can seriously be going to him with keywords like "real estate" and "insurance quote" and expect first page for very little $$, I'm sure. In fact, it's probably more often that people go to him with keywords like "tinkerbell costume designs" that have crap searches and very little competition, heh.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

yes I would agree with that. In my early post I made it very clear that links FROM a page that has Pr is what I was and am talking about. In this and other threads Matt has played that down and in one stated it was an out and out myth. Thats the whole reason he keeps taking about him ranking other people's sites with Pr O blogs. So its link building that is in focus and why it is so ridiculous. Sorry if you were confused.

I'm going to have to pull back on the Matt angle . The only reason the whole issue is brought up was because it was offered as evidence for supporting the ridiculous notion that PR has no great value in link building

I've used profile links (I found on my own that had a good link structure) and got to PR 1 but it certainly does NOT mean that high PR pages as a ranking factor is a myth. The Pr is flowing from other pages at a very weak level and then when you put enough of them together you get the strength of a PR1. Even on that level the Home page usually with other high PR pages is adding some fractional juice to that resulting PR 1.


I take no exception to that rationale or to any service like that. it is what it is and may be good for what it does. My only exception is that you don't take what happens in weak serps and make a rule across the board for what part high PR links play in general. They ARE important and sooner or later as your site grows and you want to get more traffic and build out your sites it becomes an issue if you take what applies to weak competition to climb into more competitive ones. See it everyday with people wondering no matter what they have done with link packages their sites won't move.

Yes. exactly. Internet marketers do have a high percentage of Made for adsense, affiliate sites etc. they do TEND to go after weaker competition to begin with. You can rank many such sites easily but then they stall out when they move to real traffic.

However Many Imers have chosen niches that are more competitive. They come in and hear these ridiculous things and then fail. Worse their niche changes and becomes competitive. Classic example -.

Angela paved the way for backlink packages and used to rank top position for the term backlinks just using profile backlinks. Now if you go through that search results you will see that its the sites with high Pr links that are ranking not the ones that only have a bunch of forum links.

You can see that in the serps. From the competitive research I do on all kinds of keywords its relatively rare to see terms where sites rank well with just PR 0 links. I almost always see some high PRs among the leaders. Thats why I said the evidence is right there in the serps. Nex time you do a search for a fairly popular term check the backlinks and see if there are not some High pr link s holding up the top results.

In fact here;s a tip. Use SEoquake do your keyword research and check the front page. If you see the top five with PR 2s and below there is an EXCELLENT Chance you can get there relatively easy. Zeros. Stop the presses you can get there in no time.

People forget that PR is the measure of the strength of the links coming into that page. High Pr may not translate into higher serps because of the anchor text and on page issues but a very low Pr page is telling you it has no strong link juice in any niche.

Good talking to you.

No testimonials eh? That's fine. Those without them usually argue their points with rhetoric. It's my belief that our testimonials prove our system works. I can set up a pr0 site on a.info site for less than $1. As long as you have private registration on it and another 100 sites you will get all the rankings you can ever want. Just make sure to host the 100 sites on at least 10 separate C Class IP's.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by sparckyz

If PR was irrelevant --

Why bother inventing it as a factor?

& why invent the nofollow tag too restrict link juice?

Ahhhhhhhhh....logic!

Paul

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

No testimonials eh? That's fine. Those without them usually argue their points with rhetoric

And those that don't know what they are talking about in SEO can't show it in any Serps. You got shown actual results. Raw data. If you know how to do backlink research you would see the high Pr pages looking right at you. Your claim that serps are rhetoric is the only rhetoric.

Made it very clear. I deal with REAL businesses Matt not MFas, Affiliate websites and make money online sales pages. I've seen your testimonials. Most of the people there are newbies with long tails or guys setting up their 100th one page website. One even said he was ranking for a term with less than 3,000 searches for the month. He was so happy I almost cried (just playing man)

Wow great competition (Weak weak stuff)

Meanwhile we all know that testimonials in a WSO are all real and a sure fire sign of an outstanding product

Sorry you don't understand the business world but I would never ask a business to post in a Internet marketing forum. But hey if they paid $79 I guess I could afford to bother them with settling an online forum squabble.

As long as you have private registration on it and another 100 sites you will get all the rankings you can ever want. Just make sure to host the 100 sites on at least 10 separate C Class IP's.

Then stop dodging Matt Since Pr zeros can get you all the ranking you would ever want. Lets do it. I'll pick a keyword You put your 100 .info Pr zeros up against Pr 0 - 4s and see if you don't get smoked.

Sheesh you do realize how silly you are sounding to anyone who knows any SEO.? But hey I guess you are after the newbies with those comments. Sell on man just don't try and float that deceptive nonsense in the forums.

Everyone knows PR on a link is a ranking factor. They learned that from their first REAL link building campaign and in SEO grade school.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

I apologize for implying incorrect information Mike.

I got the impression you were interlinking them.

Actually I owe you an apology after that response. I honestly thought you were taking a dig. No like you said if you do that you will leave a very easy to spot pattern that will be discounted etc.

[dusty7969]

Page rank is huge. I spent a lot of time trying to develop backlinks with scrapebox to rank a page to no avail. One dofollow link from a P.R. 4 blog and it went to the first page.