Funny how people on here say do not worry about Page Rank

[CrimsonTide]

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

The other day a dude on here told me that basically I was being a crybaby because I was complaining/frustrated that my Page Rank was still a zero but when you looked at his Back linking service gig he was selling "High Page Rank" back links.

My site is going on 7 months old and I still have a Page Rank of Zero and this should not be a concern for me?

According to people selling these back link packages Page Rank seems to be very important because that is what they are selling.

If page rank is not that important then why do they insist to get back links from High Page Ranked sites?

Why should I kill myself creating back links from High Page Ranked sites if "Page Rank" is not important?

[mattlaclear]

I never recommend getting backlinks from high pr sites. Mainly because it is a crock of ****. Page ranks are for pages only. The Warrior Forum is a great example of this. The last I checked the index here is a PR 5. So folks stuff their sig files with anchor text links hoping to capitalize on the high pr of this site. But unless your link is on the index of this site then you will not get credit for the high page rank.

[MaineCoon]

What's your input to post comment of have your forum sig on a high PR PAGE (not main index.html)? like PR 4, 5, 6, etc.

[kazlas]

Page rank does matter. I can tell from my own experience, I was building high domain PR backlinks to my site and it was climbing rank by rank in first page. Then, I've blasted my site with scrapebox with ton of random links, and pretty much nothing happened as I've epxected. In less than a week I've got 1,8k links with scrapebox and I was confident I would destroy the competition, however, I assume due to the poor link quality, my site climbs slowly as if I was still only profile linking to it.

I am pretty sure that domain PR does matter. Think about SEnuke, it builds plenty of web 2.0 properties, which will, most of the time, never reach PR higher than 0, however, these properties do rank and help ranking other sites in google. Don't underestimate PR, it worked for me.

[Vexo]

@mattlaclear
Page ranks flows. If the main domain is pr5 then the other pages will rise faster in pr as opposed to create more pages on a pr 0 domain.

[CikaPero]

I think what people are saying that with all other things being equal a backlink from a high PR page is more valuable then backlink from a low PR page.

But other things are never equal

[TurnkeyBusinessBlogs]

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

The other day a dude on here told me that basically I was being a crybaby because I was complaining/frustrated that my Page Rank was still a zero but when you looked at his Back linking service gig he was selling "High Page Rank" back links.

My site is going on 7 months old and I still have a Page Rank of Zero and this should not be a concern for me?

According to people selling these back link packages Page Rank seems to be very important because that is what they are selling.

If page rank is not that important then why do they insist to get back links from High Page Ranked sites?

Why should I kill myself creating back links from High Page Ranked sites if "Page Rank" is not important?

What people (like me) are saying is that fretting over PR is a bad waste of time. Getting links from high PR pages is not end all either. Some think that getting high PR inbounds is a sure fire way to get higher ranking and higher traffic levels. THAT WAS TRUE AT ONE TIME........4 years ago.

Now the link value is based more on relevance. Page rank has become a red herring.

Why do I say this with conviction? Because I've seen this reality play out on all of our blogs and sites - real world examples - not theory. We get thousands of unique visitors a day on PR zero domains that pay very well. We also get thousands of unique visitors a day on PR 4-5 domains, but they pay and convert badly.

When you judge what you read on forums like these, follow the money. I trust the people who are earning serious money, and when I say serious money, I mean enough to pay for a mortgage payment, vehicle payment, all the bills - a full time living.

When someone claims to be an expert and they make 10-30 dollars a month and have been in this game for a year, forget about it. I learned early that I had to trust the people who are earning $5000, $10000, $15000 a month at least, and have been doing so for more that 3 years consistently.

[paulgl]

You have never heard me say that PR does not matter.
It's not then end all to end all, but it's part of google's
search parameters. Why would you not go after as
high a PR backlink as possible? I would certainly not
got for a backlink on a PR n/a page unless I was assured
of some great, targeted click-thru traffic.

The best of both worlds is a high PR backlink that will get
targeted click-thrus as well.

But PR matters. The founders of google invented it and google
still uses it. But there is a whole host of things involved. Saying
PR does not matter is the same thing as saying content does not
matter. Or title does not matter. You can't delete something on
the list of good things simply because it's only one small part.
The small parts make up the whole. I go for as many parts as
possible.

Paul

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

You've hit on the really rubbish advice that is in vogue here by MANY. problem is a lot of people consider themselves SEOs because they can run backlinking software.

POINT ONE

PR is NOT meaningless. Page rank is a measure of the quality of links that are linking to you. having A high Pr does not mean that you will rank for a term. that depends and will always depend on your on page content and anchor text incoming l links

However a high PR link with your targeted keywords as your anchor text will beat a link with zero or N/A pagerank EVERY TIME. anyone who says different run away from them. REGARDLESS of anchor text a high Pr page is valuable to any Imer because the page can be used to link to other of the iIMers sites and with anchor text.

POINT TWO

PR applies to the PAGE. There is some indication that sites have authority but thats probably only related to the overflow of a high Pr page on the site (as the pr flows through the rest of the site.)

You should also run away form anyone that tells you that a bunch of PR 0 and NA links will assure your dominance of Google. For weak terms the anchor text will help and every link that is followed can help but for most truly competitive terms - terribly misunderstood what is really competitive) you will not hold the top spot without some high PR page links. thats why despite all the hype of buyng backlinks packages and services many people never get to the top of Google.

The results on the weak competition terms are used to make blanket statements that are totally false.

[Kay King]

In every area of IM - SEO - etc - you'll find those who are on both sides of a fence they have erected for themselves. Sometimes statements are made to get attention to a product or theory.

I've seen the same people who post "PR is irrelevant" later post "what PR does that site have". Really - if it's irrelevant, what does it matter? If a PR5 blog owner and a PR0 blog owner ask me to contribute an article - which one do you think might interest me?

PR can be manipulated to some extent - and can be faked, which is a bigger concern. Yet, outside the IM niche of sales pages and new sites, you don't find many top ranked sites in google with PR0 for the index page. A site can have great PR and not be profitable - but a site can be near the top of google search and not be profitable as well.

To me, PR is just another measure of a site. Sometimes all it tells me is that a site has been online for a while - but that's good to know, too.

kay

[nettech]

I got to agree with PaulG & Mike Anthony here. From years of experience I've noticed that PR DOES matter. Only recently I had an EMD that was ranking in the top 5 with a PR of 1. Since the Farmer Update it has lost PR and its on Page 4...this site was a regular earner...this is one of many examples I have.

If you haven't got any PR then you probably won't notice, but for those who have acquired it and lose it, chances are you will feel it when you lose rankings!

Just my opinion.

[TurnkeyBusinessBlogs]

And in the end, no matter what side the argument you (we) are on, it comes down to how much money you are making.

Just keep on testing all theories for yourself, and at some point you start to earn.

Kay is so right when she states;

"....you'll find those who are on both sides of a fence they have erected for themselves. Sometimes statements are made to get attention to a product or theory."

Some earn their money from selling their products, some from Adsense, some from Affiliate programs, but experienced people usually make money from various streams of income.

Just keep on testing for yourself and you will develop your own opinion on how important PR is.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

The other day a dude on here told me that basically I was being a crybaby because I was complaining/frustrated that my Page Rank was still a zero but when you looked at his Back linking service gig he was selling "High Page Rank" back links.

My site is going on 7 months old and I still have a Page Rank of Zero and this should not be a concern for me?

According to people selling these back link packages Page Rank seems to be very important because that is what they are selling.

If page rank is not that important then why do they insist to get back links from High Page Ranked sites?

Why should I kill myself creating back links from High Page Ranked sites if "Page Rank" is not important?

Well 7 months is not that long to expect your PR to change. Also Google only publicly updates PR rankings every few months so privately to Google you may have a higher PR.

[timpears]

What people are telling you is that YOUR PR doesn't matter. Who gives a ****e what your page rank is as that doesn't get you any traffic or money. But when you are getting back links to your site, then PR counts, and the higher the better as the more PR a page has, the more link juice it will flow to your page. The more link juice you get to your page, the higher it should climb in the SERP, and thus should flow more traffic.

[markowe]

Originally Posted by timpears

What people are telling you is that YOUR PR doesn't matter. Who gives a ****e what your page rank is as that doesn't get you any traffic or money. But when you are getting back links to your site, then PR counts, and the higher the better as the more PR a page has, the more link juice it will flow to your page. The more link juice you get to your page, the higher it should climb in the SERP, and thus should flow more traffic.

What he said ^^^.

When people say PR doesn't matter, it's usually in response to people fretting about their OWN site PR - which I would have to concur is a waste of time, since it has little to do with your ranking for any given keyword. Backlinking from a high-PR PAGE (or possibly a page of a high-PR domain) IS beneficial to your site's ranking - that much is pretty much agreed on by everyone.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by timpears

What people are telling you is that YOUR PR doesn't matter. Who gives a ****e what your page rank is as that doesn't get you any traffic or money.

Most people in IM do not have one site so their own PR DOES matter and it DOES get them traffic. Linking from my PR 4/5/6 page to my other page on another site I want to get ranked leads to that linked page rising in the serps.

More traffic . More money for it. Plus my higher PR page attracts people who want a link and are willing to give me a link from another property (therefore not reciprocal)

[scott g]

I didn't feel like reading all the above ^^^^ posts so bite me if I repeat something.

There's a difference between whining and complaining that your site's PR is stuck at ZERO or ONE or WHATEVER. Who cares... You shouldn't.

If you're getting some DoFollow High PR backlinks Google likes that... Helps you move vertically in the SERPS for your targeted keywords (granted your targeting any).

My sites are all PR0 and I outrank lots and lots of much older, higher PR similar niche (if that's what you want to call it) sites.

I for one don't really care if it's a NoDofollow PR N/A 012345678... A backlink is a backlink is a backlink to me. If you're On-Site optimization is golden, then you're golden and moving up in the SERPs should be easy. If I stumble upon a DoFollow High PR page and can get an anchor text backlink off of it... Well then GREAT! If not... No woopty...

I think the DoFollow trickle effect is a load of crap personally... Where you post a backlink on mydomain.com/a/b/c/d/e/post100111022.html

mydomain.com is a PR6 (OMG ) but page /a/b/c/d/e/post100111022.html is a PR N/A. You're not getting a PR6 backlink... That's why Warriors selling that junk "HIGH PR BACKLINKS" or even better "HIGH PR PROFILE BACKLINKS" is crap...

Oh and Google does count NoFollow backlinks... If someone is thinking from reading this "NoFollow's are worthless and don't count for anything."

Don't listen to me though I don't know anything about anything.

CHEERS!

</steeeeeeeeeeeeam>

[CrimsonTide]

Very insightful information here.... Thank you all for sharing!

[JackPowers]

Page Rank (used in the algo) is updated continously. Page Rank as shown in the toolbar is only updated sporadically.

That is why you can't count on the toolbar Page Rank to be precise.

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

The other day a dude on here told me that basically I was being a crybaby because I was complaining/frustrated that my Page Rank was still a zero but when you looked at his Back linking service gig he was selling "High Page Rank" back links.

My site is going on 7 months old and I still have a Page Rank of Zero and this should not be a concern for me?

According to people selling these back link packages Page Rank seems to be very important because that is what they are selling.

If page rank is not that important then why do they insist to get back links from High Page Ranked sites?

Why should I kill myself creating back links from High Page Ranked sites if "Page Rank" is not important?

A link with PR is worth more than a link without PR. An indexed link is worth more than an unindexed link. A service like us sells links that have that weight behind them because it's worth more than a random forum blast of PR NAs.

That said, for YOUR purpose PR is meaningless. A near infinite number of search results have a PR0 or PRNA as the first hit. Your site, for example, gets tons of traffic so presumably it ranks well for your terms. (Unless your lying) PR in your example is a worthless measurement.

Now if you want to sell links or use links from your site to boost other sites, it has meaning. Otherwise, it's but a small blip in your SERP ranking signals.

Make sense?

[yukon]

PR isn't important, what's important is the authority that most times (not always) goes with a high PR page.

Exceptions...

I have plenty of authority backlinks, that are PR0 from wiki. Sure, I can here some of you now "But wiki is nofollow", apparently Google doesn't give a $hit If wiki has nofollow or not.

Back to a wiki PR0...

When I create a new wiki backlink it's PR0 (up from PRn/a) most times the same day. My new PR0 wiki backlink page, might have 20+ other high PR4-6 authority wiki internal pages pointing at my new page. Wiki kicks a$$ for authority backlinks & I could care less about any nofollow, it's irrelevant.

My point is, all backlinks are not equal. A PR0 wiki (nofollow) authority backlink, will smoke a weak PR0 profile (followed) link any day of the week.

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

The other day a dude on here told me that basically I was being a crybaby because I was complaining/frustrated that my Page Rank was still a zero but when you looked at his Back linking service gig he was selling "High Page Rank" back links.

My site is going on 7 months old and I still have a Page Rank of Zero and this should not be a concern for me?

According to people selling these back link packages Page Rank seems to be very important because that is what they are selling.

If page rank is not that important then why do they insist to get back links from High Page Ranked sites?

Why should I kill myself creating back links from High Page Ranked sites if "Page Rank" is not important?

[yukon]

Ditto...

Originally Posted by scott g

I didn't feel like reading all the above ^^^^ posts so bite me if I repeat something.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide

I find it odd that a lot of people on here say to NOT worry about Page Rank however they recommend getting back links from HIGH PAGE RANK sites.

The other day a dude on here told me that basically I was being a crybaby because I was complaining/frustrated that my Page Rank was still a zero but when you looked at his Back linking service gig he was selling "High Page Rank" back links.

My site is going on 7 months old and I still have a Page Rank of Zero and this should not be a concern for me?

According to people selling these back link packages Page Rank seems to be very important because that is what they are selling.

If page rank is not that important then why do they insist to get back links from High Page Ranked sites?

Why should I kill myself creating back links from High Page Ranked sites if "Page Rank" is not important?

Whats your game fella? This is your 2nd nonsensical post railing on the information here and people providing it to you ...

If you've been at this for 7 months and havent yet sorted the difference between what PR means for a backlink and what PR means to your site for SERPS ... then you havent learned or retained much in your time here.

If a sites PR on its own got it to rank then people buying expired domains with PR would be dominating the serps with those sites.

By all means - if you want to get your site to rank in Google's SERPS with PR - you go.

In the timeless words of Abe:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

[jhonsean]

pr determines the reputation of the site and Google like high pr ranking sites.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

If a sites PR on its own got it to rank then people buying expired domains with PR would be dominating the serps with those sites.

but , but, but they are.

IF by that you mean expiring not deleted domains. Seriously if you aren't seeing it in the serps then you are not looking enough. Thats one of the reasons the prices have jumped. Now a lot of people don't know how to do it and what to look for when buying. Problem is a ton load of bought High Pr domains are no longer High Pr domains by the time they are bought. They just haven't had the PR updated yet. But theres no question a nicely built High Pr network built with some High Pr domains can do wonders in the serps provided they retain the links that gave them the PR..

guys post is not nonsensical at all. You might not like its implications but that doesn't make it qualify for nonsensical. More people should raise issues about some of what goes for SEO "knowledge" here.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

but , but, but they are.

IF by that you mean expiring not deleted domains. Seriously if you aren't seeing it in the serps then you are not looking enough. Thats one of the reasons the prices have jumped. Now a lot of people don't know how to do it and what to look for when buying. Problem is a ton load of bought High Pr domains are no longer High Pr domains by the time they are bought. They just haven't had the PR updated yet. But theres no question a nicely built High Pr network built with some High Pr domains can do wonders in the serps provided they retain the links that gave them the PR..

guys post is not nonsensical at all. You might not like its implications but that doesn't make it qualify for nonsensical. More people should raise issues about some of what goes for SEO "knowledge" here.

WTF Mike?

People buy high PR domains to make a link network - that points the HIGH PR Page links at their $$$ sites.

who buys a aged High PR 4 domain like kobes-gay-and-lesbian-fan-club.com and monetizes it with a Dating ebook and expects that to rank for "get my ex back" ???

what are you saying?

In regards to what i put in red. Yes agreed. It can - but ONLY by using keyword rich anchor text links to the pages YOU WANT TO RANK.

Your mixing oranges and apples ... PR on a page doesnt give it SERP fortitude. KW rich anchor text links off the page with PR "helps" give the page that the links point to SERP fortitude for the keywords in said anchor text links.

Would 10 diff. links off 10 diff PR 4 pages all with the anchor text of [ GO HERE ] help the site/page those links point to RANK for the term Loan Modification in the serps? ... or would those 10 PR4 links just pass a bunch of link juice and authority?

PR of the site is a factor of its serp to be sure ... but its been proven time and time again to be far secondary to rankings than say sheer volume and qty of links with KW anchor text ...

I know you know all this ... so Im baffled by your post honestly.

I must be missing something.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The results on the weak competition terms are used to make blanket statements that are totally false.

I call that SEO parlor tricks.

Man, Mike A., that was one terrific post. I'd vote that as post of
the friggin' week! I gotta bookmark this thread.

PR does have something to do with SERPs. It's get you in the ballgame
with a chance to win.

Paul

[timpears]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Most people in IM do not have one site so their own PR DOES matter and it DOES get them traffic. Linking from my PR 4/5/6 page to my other page on another site I want to get ranked leads to that linked page rising in the serps.

More traffic . More money for it. Plus my higher PR page attracts people who want a link and are willing to give me a link from another property (therefore not reciprocal)

Sure, that is a valid point. But why waste time fretting over your PR? Just go out and get links from high PR pages. You are spending time fretting about something that you have little control over, and Google only updates PR about four times per year, so it isn't going to change very quickly.

So quit whining about ****e that you can't control, and do something you can control. Get those links from high PR pages, and everything else will take care of itself.

[4morereferrals]

IF by that you mean expiring not deleted domains. Seriously if you aren't seeing it in the serps then you are not looking enough

So then youre saying i can buy a domain with PR5 that has zero anchor text backlinks pointing to it for the term "get my ex back" .. but has hundreds of links with anchor text for the terms "ex plent corp" "go here" - "About Us" ...

that because by the sheer fact it has PR5 - it will outrank sites with less PR or NO PR - but that have 10's of thousand of anchor text backlinks with the kw search terms "get my ex back" ? Ive not seen that to be the case. and its what I meant by the OP's infatuation with PR ... does he want to use the site to sell links or rank it .. or... is it like a trophy? He was also pretty pumped on the Alexa rank? is the OP just a site flipper?

Thats one of the reasons the prices have jumped. Now a lot of people don't know how to do it and what to look for when buying. Problem is a ton load of bought High Pr domains are no longer High Pr domains by the time they are bought. They just haven't had the PR updated yet

Not sure what this has to do with the topic ...

But theres no question a nicely built High Pr network built with some High Pr domains can do wonders in the serps provided they retain the links that gave them the PR...

How so? See here youre discussing a PR network of sites - presumably you build a network in order to get High PR links? or ... perhaps some folks just like to collect PR domains as trophies? Enlighten us please.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

WTF Mike?

People buy high PR domains to make a link network - that points the HIGH PR Page links at their $$$ sites.

We must be missing each other. I totally agree. Thats exactly what I meant. As you said who would buy a domain without pointing links to real sites? That to me is implied in the whole idea of buying domains so yes those who buy for that purpose (because there is no other purpose unless you get really fortunate and get one that has anchor text for a lucrative niche) buy it to point at other domains and rank those sites.

So they are dominating with those sites in that those sites links are causing them to rank. thw hole purpose of buying domains to begin with.

[Kay King]

Maybe that's the real point - there are ways to use PR to your benefit. Worrying about whether your pages have PR isn't one of them.

Linking from my PR 4/5/6 page to my other page on another site I want to get ranked leads to that linked page rising in the serps.

Yup - and it's a great way to quickly index a new site, too.

[mattlaclear]

I have grabbed 1800 page one rankings for Warriors in the last 11 months using mainly pr0 blogs. So you guys keep on preaching about PR all you want. I'll stick to the system we currently have in place if it is all the same to you.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Maybe that's the real point - there are ways to use PR to your benefit. Worrying about whether your pages have PR isn't one of them..

I guess I didn't take the OP as seriously as others about worrying. I don't worry about PR but I do find it important for the reasons I listed.

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[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by Vexo

@mattlaclear
Page ranks flows. If the main domain is pr5 then the other pages will rise faster in pr as opposed to create more pages on a pr 0 domain.

Prove it...

Maybe it USED to flow...but it no longer really does. The overall trust rank of a site matters, not overall page rank since it differs on every page. It does not flow, a profile link on a high PR domain means as much as a profile on a pr n/a site.

I believe page rank still has value in rankings, but not as much. I would much rather worry about keyword research and just overall promotion of the website in general, than what pagerank the domain has.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I have grabbed 1800 page one rankings for Warriors in the last 11 months using mainly pr0 blogs. So you guys keep on preaching about PR all you want. I'll stick to the system we currently have in place if it is all the same to you.

Matt you have been in about three different threads with the almost identical post about your service. Worse in one of them you actually said that PR as a LINK FACTOR to ranking is a total myth.

Thats probably the most irresponsible calling of a myth I have seen on these boards and to me highlights the nature of Bad IM Seo regardless of its populairty.

Since you want to put it out there as a point lets be fair and make a few notes

A) you turn down and refund what you call greedy keywords. other people would call these competitive keywords. So you are selective toward weaker keyword and competition.

B) in your own thread where you offer the services there are people who do not get on the front page for their niche. You merely refund them.

C) since its 90 day out guarantee its a good bet that some just don't call back on the refund,

So basically you throw up links and if keywords that are weak stick you get to not issue a refund and what doesn't you give back. Its a nice gig and its good that people who have done nothing real with their site before your services (as most on WF) get some results but it is far and away from the evidence that high PR links are a myth for ranking in competitive niches.

Like I said before people use these weak competition results and try to make claims that are not supported by the facts. NO? Fine You pick 10 Of your best PR 0 pages and we put it up against 10 PR 4 and your "network" pages will get blown away.

I may be wrong but I suspect you know better and are just posturing. Anchor text link being equal the evidence that a high Pr link is more valuable that a PR 0 and N/a is overwhelming.

[Kysersoze]

There is still a place and some importance on PR especially if the site with PR is relevant to your site and there is a one way do follow link. It isn't the end all solution to getting better ranking for your site but it definitely provides a boost.

Be careful with people buying expiring domains with PR and then throwing a 3 page site (usually an ugly Wordpress theme, basic Artisteer stuff) and then trying to sell links from such a website as a valid PR site. Usually that site will lose it's PR in the next update. Most newbies buy these links not knowing they are buying from a site which won't retain it's PageRank. Most of these sites are also link farms with a bunch of out bound do_follow links which really dilutes the link juice to your website.

I have an 9 month old website which is a PR2, quality articles on a specific topic and I rank on the first page for a competitive word, almost every site for this term on the first page is PR3 to PR4 yet I rank better than 7 of them with a lower PR ona relatively new site, been on the first page for 4 months now. I have build quality backlinks from article directories, high PR relevant sites, SB, posts and more.

I believe it is still helpful to have quality links from authority sites which are relevant to your website but nothing beats good old quality content to help Google value your website!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Kysersoze

I have an 9 month old website which is a PR2, quality articles on a specific topic and I rank on the first page for a competitive word, almost every site for this term on the first page is PR3 to PR4 yet I rank better than 7 of them with a lower PR ona relatively new site, been on the first page for 4 months now. I have build quality backlinks from article directories, high PR relevant sites, SB, posts and more.

I believe it is still helpful to have quality links from authority sites which are relevant to your website but nothing beats good old quality content to help Google value your website!

Hi Kysersoze.

I'm a great believer in content but I think sometimes people make a little bit more of beating a higher PR page in the serps. In many cases you are outranking a site that is not competing for those terms so in essence you really are not beating them they aren't even in the race. You may be right that its your content or it could be because the highter Pr page decided to go with another keyword leaving you with a low competition keyword (which is good too depending on the traffic)

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I guess I didn't take the OP as seriously as others about worrying. I don't worry about PR but I do find it important for the reasons I listed.

Mike...

OK we are now seemingly on the same wave length here for the topic of why most people doing SEO would buy a "network" of expired domains with PR. A link network.

This is not the OP's first go round at stirring the pot with a big wooden spoon and heading for the hills, after making a non-sensical statement about ...

"Why all the people say PR of his site doesnt mean squat for SERPS - when the same people are all trying to pimp him high PR backlinks ..."

OP is clueless.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

"Why all the people say PR of his site doesnt mean squat for SERPS - when the same people are all trying to pimp him high PR backlinks ..."

OP is clueless.

Maybe but I dont think so. The problem is in addressing people who are worried about Pagerank. I have seen threads where people actually go overboard and say things like PR doesn't matter at all. Its confusing to newbies. and besides we have at least one person in this thread that states that high PR even for LINKING is a myth and several people on Warriors swear by his services because they saw a boost for some weak terms.

I do feel for people that are not full on SEO types. Theres a whole lot of nonsense being pushed.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Matt you have been in about three different threads with the almost identical post about your service. Worse in one of them you actually said that PR as a LINK FACTOR to ranking is a total myth.

Thats probably the most irresponsible calling of a myth I have seen on these boards and to me highlights the nature of Bad IM Seo regardless of its populairty.

Since you want to put it out there as a point lets be fair and make a few notes

A) you turn down and refund what you call greedy keywords. other people would call these competitive keywords. So you are selective toward weaker keyword and competition.

B) in your own thread where you offer the services there are people who do not get on the front page for their niche. You merely refund them.

C) since its 90 day out guarantee its a good bet that some just don't call back on the refund,

So basically you throw up links and if keywords that are weak stick you get to not issue a refund and what doesn't you give back. Its a nice gig and its good that people who have done nothing real with their site before your services (as most on WF) get some results but it is far and away from the evidence that high PR links are a myth for ranking in competitive niches.

Like I said before people use these weak competition results and try to make claims that are not supported by the facts. NO? Fine You pick 10 Of your best PR 0 pages and we put it up against 10 PR 4 and your "network" pages will get blown away.

I may be wrong but I suspect you know better and are just posturing. Anchor text link being equal the evidence that a high Pr link is more valuable that a PR 0 and N/a is overwhelming.

You have been pounding the same drivel on all those threads as well. When I see false information hurting Warriors I'll speak up. With or without your permission of course.

A) Read our very long list of reviews and you will see we rank extremely difficult keywords for Warriors every day. So your point is totally debunked.

B) Incorrect. We never refund campaigns we have started working on. Mainly because we always get the campaigns we are working on to page one. So now you're not merely incorrect. Now you're straight up lying about our services.

C) Again I do not even give 90 day guarantees. So is that another lie?

So looking forward to your rebuttal.

[Google.me]

Getting backlinks from high PR sites dnt really mean much depends on the many factors

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Like I said before people use these weak competition results and try to make claims that are not supported by the facts. NO? Fine You pick 10 Of your best PR 0 pages and we put it up against 10 PR 4 and your "network" pages will get blown away.

I missed this challenge the first time I read your post. I have a better idea for a challenge. How about we compare testimonials? I can think of no better way to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges amongst seo "professionals".

[jazbo]

I think the point that is obvious and being missed is that people like ME tell people like you to stop worrying about your OWN sites PageRank.

PR of your pages does not = higher SERP rankings.

But in terms of GETTING links that will improve your rankings, yes PR of the page linking to you does matter because the more PR there is the more weight the link will carry and the more it will boost your page.

The point is, that many here are missing, is that people keep posting that THEIR sites pages PR is not going up. People like me point out that the PR of their own pages is utterly irrelevant for ranking.

[jazbo]

Seriously Mike - What????

We should care about our own PR because we can create link networks. That's you expert view? Seriously?

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Most people in IM do not have one site so their own PR DOES matter and it DOES get them traffic. Linking from my PR 4/5/6 page to my other page on another site I want to get ranked leads to that linked page rising in the serps.

More traffic . More money for it. Plus my higher PR page attracts people who want a link and are willing to give me a link from another property (therefore not reciprocal)

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Originally Posted by jazbo

I think the point that is obvious and being missed is that people like ME tell people like you to stop worrying about your OWN sites PageRank.

PR of your pages does not = higher SERP rankings.

But in terms of GETTING links that will improve your rankings, yes PR of the page linking to you does matter because the more PR there is the more weight the link will carry and the more it will boost your page.

The point is, that many here are missing, is that people keep posting that THEIR sites pages PR is not going up. People like me point out that the PR of their own pages is utterly irrelevant for ranking.

Makes sense to me...I think most of us might unknowingly be speaking a different language. I find it hard to understand why this is hard to understand

[TryBPO]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I never recommend getting backlinks from high pr sites. Mainly because it is a crock of ****. Page ranks are for pages only. The Warrior Forum is a great example of this. The last I checked the index here is a PR 5. So folks stuff their sig files with anchor text links hoping to capitalize on the high pr of this site. But unless your link is on the index of this site then you will not get credit for the high page rank.

I tend to agree but wanted to highlight the part in bold. If you're getting a link from a PAGE that has high PR, that can be of (significant) value, especially in highly competitive niches.

SEO's who control multiple blogs/sites that have high PR pages on the can easily distribute the juice to the new sites they're looking to promote.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

You have been pounding the same drivel on all those threads as well. When I see false information hurting Warriors I'll speak up. With or without your permission of course.

You can ply that utterly false information here all you want. I don't need pemisison to debunk it to save warriors from making mistakes when the encounter real competition based on totally ludicrous advice. I really don't have to go any further for anyone that knows SEO. Links on High Pr pages is myth as a ranking factor ? LOL Ok matt.

Read our very long list of reviews and you will see we rank extremely difficult keywords for Warriors every day. So your point is totally debunked

Hardly thats ALWAYS the game played. Its always a sliding scale as to what competition means. Most people have no clue. Want a competitive serp "extremely difficult" (yeah right) here

real estate - Google Search

life insurance - Google Search

marketing - Google Search

job search - Google Search

Go ahead and get to work and prove in those serps that HIgh Pr of links is is not a ranking factor. You are impressed with your testimonials in wso thread (I've seen those on garbage products in the droves)?

Show it in the serps. thats where all SEOs show their proof. No one said you can't rank in some weaker terms with pr zeros only. Its you claiming that PR as a ranking factor for a link is a myth that is totally ridiculous and a prime example of just bad SEO advice.

Incorrect. We never refund campaigns we have started working on. Mainly because we always get the campaigns we are working on to page one. So now you're not merely incorrect. Now you're straight up lying about our services.

Wrong. a few months back you had a guarantee for first page placement (not the one you have now). You want to sit there with a straight face and claim everyone got a first page placement in a time frame they were happy with? I'll call lie there myself. thats the whole point of a guarantee. if it doesn't work out you give the money back. No one is lying about your services but you are trying to make this entire thread and every thread you bring up this myth about your services.

Again I do not even give 90 day guarantees. So is that another lie?

So looking forward to your rebuttal.

Now on the 90 days I could be wrong but not on the nature of your guarantee. No. You want to claim that getting high PR links is a myth as a ranking factor then go ahead and show it in the serps. it seems you can't make a point on SEO without pointing back to your sales thread.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by jazbo

But in terms of GETTING links that will improve your rankings, yes PR of the page linking to you does matter because the more PR there is the more weight the link will carry and the more it will boost your page.

Well Jazbo, that's exactly what the point of high PR backlinks!

Of course I did forget to mention the other part. Authority.
Authority is also passed on, depending on the authority of the
site. Similar to that old parlor trick of matt cutts ranking for viagra
or something.

And that's why sig links on the WF matter. The WF has great
authority. So just like the matt cutts example, that post had zero
PR, but man the authority...

Just like wikipedia. Many pages have PR n/a, and yet do a search
for a celebrity, fact, etc. and that darn wikipedia comes up #1.

So if you want to toss a little authority into the mix...

Paul

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I missed this challenge the first time I read your post. I have a better idea for a challenge. How about we compare testimonials? I can think of no better way to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges amongst seo "professionals".

I can. show it in the serps
Its where EVERY SEO worth his sauce does it. You get no free pass away from that.

What a duck and weave you did there. I'm not in your SEO niche mate. I don't do SEO for $79 . I deal with real businesses. My customers aren't going to come into WF forums and post reviews. LOL. you have no idea of how SEO works in the larger world do you?

Again You can't seem to make a point on SEO without reference to that sales page of yours. I've given you props for helping people who haven't done much with their sites but you are going to have to do alot better (but you can't of course) to prove that HIgh PR links is not a ranking factor in SEO.

Sorry but at this this point I can only conclude that you are making totally ridiculous claims for no other apparent reason than to sell your service. There is NO SEO I know that does not admit that a high on page PR link is a ranking factor (one of many of course) . its TOTALLY ridiculous and of all the advice I have seen in the last few months thet advice to newbies that on page High PR links is not a factor for SEO but a myth is the ABSOLUTE WORSE.

No wonder you stay away from really competitive niches. If you believe what you are selling its because you can't handle really competitive niches.

You can show all kind of people and testimonials. Line em up but what you can't fudge and is open for anyone to analyze is the search engine result pages and the competition on it. Put the serp up for analyzing. Floor is open. Bring the evidence. Google is right there for us all to look at and use a s the onlyevidence that matters. Show us there for once without pointing to your sales page or "testimonials".

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by jazbo

Seriously Mike - What????

We should care about our own PR because we can create link networks. That's you expert view? Seriously?

Seriously? What part of me saying that most people have more than one site to rank did you not understand? it was all in English. They don't have to create a network. they can have just two other sites.

Hands up how many people have more than one site to rank pages on?


So my expert view?

YES. I care about my pagerank. IF I have enough links coming to one of my sites and it has PR4 juice running to it why in Sam's Hilll would I not want to run that to one of my other sites and help it rank? and why would I not care to get those kinds of links to my site so that I can funnel it on to another site I own so they both can be helped in their rankings? Whats the beef?

This place gets like the twilight zone sometimes.

Or are you the only one joining Matt's TOTALLY ridiculous conclusion that links on HIGH PR pages are not a factor but a total myth in helping to rank a site? Granted he needs the company.

yes PR of the page linking to you does matter because the more PR there is the more weight the link will carry and the more it will boost your page.

Oh Okay. So Matt is still alone on that.