Im position # 3 (stable) on 2 sites. Any ideas on how to properly diagnose to obtain 1-2?

Dresden14 · 04-14-2011, 07:46 PM

Question is in subject. Got 2 domains, 2 keys both of which are # 3 positions. Im about 7 months into SEO. Was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to properly diagnose or cross compare to obtain that number 2 or 1 position.

Tools:
Im a member of sescout; majestic seo already.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

mikeroosa · 04-14-2011, 07:54 PM

It usually comes down to the number and quality of backlinks as well as proper use of your keyword on your page, in the title, and in the text and h1 tags.

hpgoodboy · 04-14-2011, 07:55 PM

Difficult to say if I don't see the site.

Michael Franklin · 04-14-2011, 07:56 PM

Are these HTML sites or Wordpress sites?

iAmNameLess · 04-14-2011, 09:20 PM

It doesn't matter what you're a member of, that isn't going to be magical for you LOL.

Easy answer... build more backlinks, quality backlinks.

Better answer... build more backlinks TO your backlinks.

indie08 · 04-14-2011, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

It doesn't matter what you're a member of, that isn't going to be magical for you LOL.

Easy answer... build more backlinks, quality backlinks.

Better answer... build more backlinks TO your backlinks.

COMPLETELY AGREE! Also, perfect onpage seo and quality content..

paulie888 · 04-14-2011, 09:33 PM

What you want to do is analyze the quality and quantity of the backlinks that your competition above you have, and then ensure you build additional backlinks over time so that you outdo them - this will usually do the trick.

dadamson · 04-14-2011, 09:35 PM

Do some reverse engineering. Use your software tools (or good old Yahoo site explorer) to find out what backlinks your 2 competitors have. - SEO Spyglass is a free SEO software that can help you do this.

I recommend sorting their backlinks by PR and finding out what links you can take.

Get as many of their links as you can and you will have an advantage over them.

This is not guaranteed to get you in fron of them but just keep on building other links from a variety of sources.

Try to diversify as much as possible, do article marketing, blog commenting, forum profiles, doc sharing, video publishing, etc.- Anything you can think of that will give you good backlinks.

Keep them all topic related and outsource if you can. - Creating backlinks from a variety of different IPs is extremely helpful these days!

I could go on and on.

Just keep Building!!!

JBrooks · 04-14-2011, 11:13 PM

well you have to remember you're only ever going to see maybe 50% of the backlinks your competitors have even with the very best tools ie spy glass (paid)...so whilst reverse engineering is a great idea it has serious flaws.

Its very difficult to offer specific advise without knowing the keyword etc... but the general advice always applies;

1. keyword density
2. keyword in the url, h1 & 2, meta title, meta description
3. maybe even add some more content to that page. don't forget about images with alt text etc..
4. ensure all your backlinks are linking to the SAME url. www.domain.com/ is different to www.domain.com a simple 301 will fix this and ensure the 1 url is receiving all the backlinks.

top 10 compared to top 3 is a whole new ball game so you'll need to dig a little deeper. but don't get discouraged just keep building those backlinks.

JBrooks · 04-14-2011, 11:19 PM

here's an article to the url issue I mentioned. Linking Issues: Why a Trailing Slash in the URL Does Matter | Search Engine Journal

iAmNameLess · 04-14-2011, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dealme

here's an article to the url issue I mentioned. Linking Issues: Why a Trailing Slash in the URL Does Matter | Search Engine Journal

LMAO@ if your web developer doesn't know the difference get rid of them.

Such a dumb article in my opinion. Servers in the 21st century are doing this anyway, I don't understand why she claims errors will come up. Really, it doesn't matter. Just build links consistently

Dresden14 · 04-15-2011, 09:28 PM

I did run traffic travis on top 3 competitors and tried to mimic their styles. They both had around 1700 words; so I amped up my unique content. I got the H1's, alt's down. The H2's do not contain the key (as the top competitiors did not). I figured what their doing is working, so why not try and mimic the design and just blow up the backlinks.

Ive gone through most of my competitors backlinks on yse and majestic, stole alot of them. Im still clinging in my position. My key is in my title, meta desc and in my keywords (only 1once per). Uhhhhhm what else??? My site is not a wordpress site, but is indeed html (php).

04-14-2011, 07:46 PM	#1
Dresden14 Advanced Warrior Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles, California. USA Posts: 549 Thanks: 10 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Im position # 3 (stable) on 2 sites. Any ideas on how to properly diagnose to obtain 1-2? Question is in subject. Got 2 domains, 2 keys both of which are # 3 positions. Im about 7 months into SEO. Was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to properly diagnose or cross compare to obtain that number 2 or 1 position. Tools: Im a member of sescout; majestic seo already. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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JBrooks HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 124 Thanks: 8 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Im position # 3 (stable) on 2 sites. Any ideas on how to properly diagnose to obtain 1-2? well you have to remember you're only ever going to see maybe 50% of the backlinks your competitors have even with the very best tools ie spy glass (paid)...so whilst reverse engineering is a great idea it has serious flaws. Its very difficult to offer specific advise without knowing the keyword etc... but the general advice always applies; 1. keyword density 2. keyword in the url, h1 & 2, meta title, meta description 3. maybe even add some more content to that page. don't forget about images with alt text etc.. 4. ensure all your backlinks are linking to the SAME url. www.domain.com/ is different to www.domain.com a simple 301 will fix this and ensure the 1 url is receiving all the backlinks. top 10 compared to top 3 is a whole new ball game so you'll need to dig a little deeper. but don't get discouraged just keep building those backlinks.

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JBrooks HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 124 Thanks: 8 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Im position # 3 (stable) on 2 sites. Any ideas on how to properly diagnose to obtain 1-2? here's an article to the url issue I mentioned. Linking Issues: Why a Trailing Slash in the URL Does Matter \| Search Engine Journal

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Dresden14 Advanced Warrior Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles, California. USA Posts: 549 Thanks: 10 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Im position # 3 (stable) on 2 sites. Any ideas on how to properly diagnose to obtain 1-2? I did run traffic travis on top 3 competitors and tried to mimic their styles. They both had around 1700 words; so I amped up my unique content. I got the H1's, alt's down. The H2's do not contain the key (as the top competitiors did not). I figured what their doing is working, so why not try and mimic the design and just blow up the backlinks. Ive gone through most of my competitors backlinks on yse and majestic, stole alot of them. Im still clinging in my position. My key is in my title, meta desc and in my keywords (only 1once per). Uhhhhhm what else??? My site is not a wordpress site, but is indeed html (php).