Grrrr...SEO Im pulling my hair out

[thomas1984]

Ok so I build this WP site around a good KW (not that competitive), I do first class on page seo and I get it indext. Next I start getting .gov and .edu links for it since none of the current top ranking have them I figured I would sore past them. Once google found just 3 of my links I jumped to page 16, But when I hit 7 links I fell to page 19 and have stayed there even tho google continues to find more and more .GOV and .EDU links everyday. Whats going on here?

[Mick Meaney]

From the little information you've provided, could be too many links too soon?

[Bill_Z]

How long has the site been up?

How long have you been building links?

[thomas1984]

Originally Posted by Mick Meaney

From the little information you've provided, could be too many links too soon?

Well I made sure none of there links were pinged so google would find them naturally and there only finding 2-4 each day so I dont think its that.

[thomas1984]

Originally Posted by Bill_Z

How long has the site been up?

How long have you been building links?

Site has been up a couple weeks and i orderd my links as soon as I got the site ready. But google didnt start seeing the links intill 3 0r 4 days after I ordered them.

[Mick Meaney]

It could be just QDF, it might settle down in a month or two. Hard to really know without looking at the site.

Hope you get it figured out soon man.

[Bill_Z]

Couple of weeks? That's just not enough time to be able to evaluate anything. Just keep building links and wait. Your site will jump around the SERPs for a while I'm sure. I takes at least a few months to know where you are going to stand in the SERPs. Like I said, just keep building links and wait.

[Steven Miranda]

I would not worry at all! Your site is new and this sounds to me like the 'Google dance' . The links will keep building and Google will find where it wants to rank your site. We would all like SEO to be overnight but it just does not work this way. It can take up to 6 months sometimes to see lasting results. There is just no telling with SEO anymore.

Don't get discouraged friend.

[John Romaine]

Doesnt sound like SEO to me. Sounds like hope and guesswork.

[panduari]

Originally Posted by Bill_Z

Couple of weeks? That's just not enough time to be able to evaluate anything. Just keep building links and wait. Your site will jump around the SERPs for a while I'm sure. I takes at least a few months to know where you are going to stand in the SERPs. Like I said, just keep building links and wait.

yeah 100% agree with u, if u want more fast index by Mr. G , Don't just play in backlink. why ?? yes backlinks is the king, but if you want more quickly indexed by Mr.G u must understand about HTML code. if u can combine this u will fast reached No. 1 in G

[Show Pony]

I am experience the "Google Dance" at the moment, 4th page, to 3rd on page 1, to 1st on Page 1 then down to 5th on Page 2.....

...I am just going to leave it for a three weeks and let it settle.

[thomas1984]

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

Doesnt sound like SEO to me. Sounds like hope and guesswork.

Guess work? I dont know what you mean by that. I researched this KW well And spent alot of time and money doing my on page seo. And you know as well as the next person what kind power .gov and .edu links have.

[thomas1984]

Originally Posted by panduari

yeah 100% agree with u, if u want more fast index by Mr. G , Don't just play in backlink. why ?? yes backlinks is the king, but if you want more quickly indexed by Mr.G u must understand about HTML code. if u can combine this u will fast reached No. 1 in G

Im Not sure I understand what your trying to say.

[Steven Miranda]

Originally Posted by panduari

yeah 100% agree with u, if u want more fast index by Mr. G , Don't just play in backlink. why ?? yes backlinks is the king, but if you want more quickly indexed by Mr.G u must understand about HTML code. if u can combine this u will fast reached No. 1 in G

haha. Mr. G ?

[John Romaine]

Originally Posted by thomas1984

Guess work? I dont know what you mean by that. I researched this KW well And spent alot of time and money doing my on page seo. And you know as well as the next person what kind power .gov and .edu links have.

Tell us, what exactly is your SEO strategy in its entirety?

How many keywords do you have?
What have you done for onsite optimization?
What exactly have you done for offsite optimization?

As for .edu and .gov links, Ive never used them. Never needed to.

[thomas1984]

#1: I have my KW in my domain name.

#2. My KW is placed in the home title tag 2 times.

#3. My KW appears in the in H1, H2 and H3 Tags.

#4. MY KW keywords appeasr near the beginning of the first sentence in each paragraph.

#5. My KW appears in the last sentence of each paragraph.

#6. MY overall KW density in each post is about 4%

#7. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked to another internal page on my site at least once on each post.

#8. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked out to an authority site at least once in each post.

#9 I have no other links than to the affiliate program I am promoting.

# 10.Each image I use in each post has an “alt tag” with my KW in it.

#11. In each of my posts I bold, underline and italicise my KW at least once.

#12. I make sure that each post is at least 850 to 1,000 words in length and is “tightly written” around my KW.

As for off site optimization I am just getting links of varied sources besides the .gov and .edu I am getting forum profile links and blog comments.

And I only have 1 KW that Im trying to rank for.

[James Schramko]

Originally Posted by thomas1984

#1: I have my KW in my domain name.

#2. My KW is placed in the home title tag 2 times.

#3. My KW appears in the in H1, H2 and H3 Tags.

#4. MY KW keywords appeasr near the beginning of the first sentence in each paragraph.

#5. My KW appears in the last sentence of each paragraph.

#6. MY overall KW density in each post is about 4%

#7. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked to another internal page on my site at least once on each post.

#8. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked out to an authority site at least once in each post.

#9 I have no other links than to the affiliate program I am promoting.

# 10.Each image I use in each post has an “alt tag” with my KW in it.

#11. In each of my posts I bold, underline and italicise my KW at least once.

#12. I make sure that each post is at least 850 to 1,000 words in length and is “tightly written” around my KW.

As for off site optimization I am just getting links of varied sources besides the .gov and .edu I am getting forum profile links and blog comments.

And I only have 1 KW that Im trying to rank for.

Ok so you are keyword dense.

#3 is a waste of time
#4 is damaging you
#5 is damaging you
#6 4% is way too much

#8 is a waste of time
#10 is damaging you
#11 is a waste if time


You need to add more content, write for humans and get many more links to a variety of pages. .org and .edu links are no better than a good .com link.

[frankfihn]

Originally Posted by thomas1984

#1: I have my KW in my domain name.

#2. My KW is placed in the home title tag 2 times.

#3. My KW appears in the in H1, H2 and H3 Tags.

#4. MY KW keywords appeasr near the beginning of the first sentence in each paragraph.

#5. My KW appears in the last sentence of each paragraph.

#6. MY overall KW density in each post is about 4%

#7. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked to another internal page on my site at least once on each post.

#8. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked out to an authority site at least once in each post.

#9 I have no other links than to the affiliate program I am promoting.

# 10.Each image I use in each post has an “alt tag” with my KW in it.

#11. In each of my posts I bold, underline and italicise my KW at least once.

#12. I make sure that each post is at least 850 to 1,000 words in length and is “tightly written” around my KW.

As for off site optimization I am just getting links of varied sources besides the .gov and .edu I am getting forum profile links and blog comments.

And I only have 1 KW that Im trying to rank for.

Don't believe the hype about .edu and .gov links being oh so much more powerful by themselves than regular .com links. A good link from an edu/gov can do wonders. For instance, I have a few high PR, in context .edu links that have 1000s of links themselves. That's very different than blog comments on an edu page. However, those links I'm talking about have 1000s of their own links (not by accident since I had them made). It's not just the .edu that has the power for me, it's the fact the particular pages I'm talking about are by themselves relevant with so many incoming links.

The panda update was designed to punish scrapebox masters like myself and so blog comments are much, much less valuable than even 2 months ago. Not that you can't rank with them but it's going to take a lot more than just blog comments.

In addition to the comment by James, which I agree with, you need better links. The best kinds of links are contextual links that have their own incoming quality links.

There are 3 easy ways to do that.

1. Guest posts on authority sites within your niche.
2. Create your own content on sites like hubpages, squidoo, blogspot, etc. If you want a more complete list, PM me.
3. Write press releases.

If you're going to seriously have high ranking sites for a long time, then you also need to backlink your most relevant backlinks.

You're also going to keep your anchor text looking natural as 90% of incoming links all having the same incoming text are anything but natural.

Additionally to everything you just said, you have a new site and new sites are unpredictable in the SERPs. You may end up outranking your competitors in the end based on what you've already done but it depends highly on what your competition is like.

[davechan]

It's our experience that it takes a good 30 to 60 days for your site to really "settle" in to a steady state ranking for your keywords. Also, as another poster mentioned, too many links too fast is a red flag to Google.

Have you also varied your anchor text with LSI or latent semantic indexing? Check out Google Wonder Wheel. Vary up your keywords so that Google doesn't think you are over using one keyword.

[SpikeS]

For what it's worth I have a 4 week old site that is on page 6 right now...and I didn't do half of what you did and probably have less links (that I didn't pay for).

I didn't mention this to make you even more frustrated, but it should demonstrate you dont need to do it all really fast. By doing one thing at a time you get to see the effect it has....whereas right now you've done so much you dont know whats working for you and what isn't.

p.s. I'm new at this too (so you know I'm not preaching)

[JamesGw]

It'll take your site like 4-5 months to settle into a stable ranking, normally. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[shuvo]

My suggestion is create a rss feed at icerocket and add those backlinks by creating a channel.Then you will get an rss address and submit that rss address in different RSS directories and bookmark the address in different social bookmarking sites.This will help you to get a fast index of all those backlinks.

[Chris Sorrell]

It sounds like you've got some seriously unrealistic expectations if you think 2-4 links a day is somehow gonna get you to the top of google. Within a couple of weeks of a new site of mine being set up I would have already run through most of the links in magic submitter, ordered about 400 high pr link packages off here as well as about a 7k - 10k links blast with xrumer. So, you're looking at about 13,000 links in about 2 weeks.

Realistically you've gotta be building a lot more links than what you're doing. And expecting some amazing results after 2 weeks is bound to result in disappointment so you gotta be more patient and build loads more links.

[thomas1984]

No, perhaps you guys got me wrong. I am not expecting to be at #1 right now. What has me aggravated is that even tho Im taking my time on the link building my site seems to be moving down with the added links instead of up. Why was I ranking better when I only had 3 links than I am now that I have a few dozen?

[thomas1984]

Originally Posted by Chris Sorrell

It sounds like you've got some seriously unrealistic expectations if you think 2-4 links a day is somehow gonna get you to the top of google. Within a couple of weeks of a new site of mine being set up I would have already run through most of the links in magic submitter, ordered about 400 high pr link packages off here as well as about a 7k - 10k links blast with xrumer. So, you're looking at about 13,000 links in about 2 weeks.

Realistically you've gotta be building a lot more links than what you're doing. And expecting some amazing results after 2 weeks is bound to result in disappointment so you gotta be more patient and build loads more links.

So would you suggest that i get senuke and nuke the heck out of it?

[panduari]

Originally Posted by Steven Miranda

haha. Mr. G ?

yea Mr.G or Big G or Google whatever hahaa

Originally Posted by thomas1984

So would you suggest that i get senuke and nuke the heck out of it?

u want get senuke? I recommend xrumer rather than senukeX.

[Vera10]

Maybe Google became suspicious of your site after seeing those high authority backlinks...

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by Mick Meaney

From the little information you've provided, could be too many links too soon?

Not a chance...

Originally Posted by thomas1984

Site has been up a couple weeks and i orderd my links as soon as I got the site ready. But google didnt start seeing the links intill 3 0r 4 days after I ordered them.

Ordered?

Originally Posted by thomas1984

#1: I have my KW in my domain name.

#2. My KW is placed in the home title tag 2 times.

#3. My KW appears in the in H1, H2 and H3 Tags.

#4. MY KW keywords appeasr near the beginning of the first sentence in each paragraph.

#5. My KW appears in the last sentence of each paragraph.

#6. MY overall KW density in each post is about 4%

#7. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked to another internal page on my site at least once on each post.

#8. Using my KW as the anchor text I linked out to an authority site at least once in each post.

#9 I have no other links than to the affiliate program I am promoting.

# 10.Each image I use in each post has an “alt tag” with my KW in it.

#11. In each of my posts I bold, underline and italicise my KW at least once.

#12. I make sure that each post is at least 850 to 1,000 words in length and is “tightly written” around my KW.

As for off site optimization I am just getting links of varied sources besides the .gov and .edu I am getting forum profile links and blog comments.

And I only have 1 KW that Im trying to rank for.

Dude, you're over optimized.... look at the top 10 sites, do you see them doing that? 1,000 words is too much in my opinion... you're keyword stuffing if you're writing unnaturally to fit in the keywords...

I think you're wasting too much time with some of the stuff you have listed. I outrank sites that have perfect on page, with just me optimizing a title tag, metas, and h1/h2...don't even bother with h3, and sometimes I don't even optimize images, LOL. There is such thing as overoptimizing in a way that it looks spammy, and I think that is what you have done.

[iAmNameLess]

Originally Posted by thomas1984

So would you suggest that i get senuke and nuke the heck out of it?

NO NO NO!!!!! Do NOT listen to anyone that tells you to just build 10K+ links in 2 weeks... there is much more to it than that. Authority matters.... quality matters... consistency also matters.