What Will Happen to Those $250/site SEO Companies now that Fiverr is around?

[IcedSEO-CEO]

I don't mean to sound rude but it's the truth... with all those great SEO and backlinking gigs on fiverr for $5, it seems that just about everybody is now doing self SEO and so, I have been thinking, what will now happen to those SEO companies that charge $250 per month to optimize each site?

[Jimmy AL]

Well, not everybody has heard of Fiverr, right? Some will still buy from those companies, at least until Fiverr's popularity becomes huge. Those companies should probably try and make their offers as unique as possible in order not to be outclassed.
There are, however, some services that Fiverr doesn't offer. A good case in point here is backlink indexing. The 5 dollar website doesn't provide indexing, so a software like "Backlink Energizer" or a web service specialized in indexing 2000 baclinks/month can still prosper!

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Originally Posted by Jimmy AL

Well, not everybody has heard of Fiverr, right? Some will still buy from those companies, at least until Fiverr's popularity becomes huge. Those companies should probably try and make their offers as unique as possible in order not to be outclassed.
There are, however, some services that Fiverr doesn't offer. A good case in point here is backlink indexing. The 5 dollar website doesn't provide indexing, so a software like "Backlink Energizer" or a web service specialized in indexing 2000 baclinks/month can still prosper!

Well... I guess, I can put that up there but I'm more of a buyer on fiverr than a seller

[kstark]

It's like anything, there will always be people who think that for $5 you can't get anything of real value and wouldn't trust it.

There's really a market for all price points.

[Charles Washington]

Real companies are starting to catch on to the fact that backlinking services is not true SEO, and after all the big brands being punished by google this year combined with the national news coverage of it, companies are seeking out real SEO companies.

If your competition is $5 SEO gigs on Fiver, then your doing it wrong.

[Headfirst]

You get what you pay for. Most of the fiverr tasks I've purchased were never delivered. It's priced to be cheap enough that you just walk away when you dont get it.

[SiteJumpstart]

Backlinking is still a major part of SEO, regardless of what you see in the news. Obvious bought links are obvious.

I hope your entire backlinking strategy is not buying super low quality crappy links on Fiverr. I'm sure you can grab a couple decent links here and there. But compared to a real backlinking service that gives you a strategic link schema with massive link diversity and consistent velocity, services on Fiverr are pretty much nothing.

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery

Real companies are starting to catch on to the fact that backlinking services is not true SEO, and after all the big brands being punished by google this year combined with the national news coverage of it, companies are seeking out real SEO companies.

If your competition is $5 SEO gigs on Fiver, then your doing it wrong.

Trust me... except if you are not doing your own SEO right. Nobody on fiverr will offer you full SEO for $5, what they will offer you are stuffs like a complete run of SenukeX, building profile links, submitting to private article and blog networks, youtube views, bookmarking and a lot more which is what those who already knew SEO will pay $35 to outsource each of them to SEO companies. I even know some of the fiverr users that offer the same service they offer on fiverr on their website for over $49 so get real

Originally Posted by Headfirst

You get what you pay for. Most of the fiverr tasks I've purchased were never delivered. It's priced to be cheap enough that you just walk away when you dont get it.

I guess you are not buying the right gigs. How do you does this kind of gig sound "I will write 10 original articles for you in a day for $5", does that sound real?

Originally Posted by SiteJumpstart

Backlinking is still a major part of SEO, regardless of what you see in the news. Obvious bought links are obvious.

I hope your entire backlinking strategy is not buying super low quality crappy links on Fiverr. I'm sure you can grab a couple decent links here and there. But compared to a real backlinking service that gives you a strategic link schema with massive link diversity and consistent velocity, services on Fiverr are pretty much nothing.

Well, if your onpage SEO is not good, trust me... every other thing you do is crap, I don't care if you buy 20 layer link pyramids

[Mick Meaney]

Fiverr and sites like that are actually doing a lot of good for us...

More of our new clients are coming to us saying "we've tried everything, we bought backlink packets, we paid for article submissions and nothing works, HELP!".

Maybe sites like Fiverr are switching people onto SEO (what they consider to be SEO), get fustrated with the lack of results because most link building campaigns will only work when there's solid foundation to support it - and most sites don't have the foundation.

[pavionjsl]

Originally Posted by Headfirst

You get what you pay for. Most of the fiverr tasks I've purchased were never delivered. It's priced to be cheap enough that you just walk away when you dont get it.

Disagree completely. Most of the link offers here on WF are people reselling fiverr gigs. Hundreds of people here over pay for five dollar items everyday and they are delivered. I'm surprised how many people are fiverr resellers and really offer no services themselves.

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Originally Posted by Mick Meaney

most link building campaigns will only work when there's solid foundation to support it - and most sites don't have the foundation.

Exactly what I just said in my last reply.... you need a strong SEO foundation on your website to make it work, not when your site is all crappy and you will be expecting results, SEO works both ways.

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Originally Posted by pavionjsl

Disagree completely. Most of the link offers here on WF are people reselling fiverr gigs. Hundreds of people here over pay for five dollar items everyday and they are delivered. I'm surprised how many people are fiverr resellers and really offer no services themselves.

Great to know that another person knows this... most of the $35 link packages you see here and there on WF and even on some SEO service websites are reselling fiverr gig, if you want a complicated link building, they buy $5 SenukeX run on fiverr and sell it to you for $99 (they are just cash in big on you) and worst, most of those people selling it doesn't even have a clue about real SEO, they are just resellers.... so, go figure!

[rambrose]

I think those SEO companies will be OK.

There is still the perception that the $5 backlinking gigs are subpar and "you get what you pay for". This is true in many cases, but there are Fiverr gigs that deliver what they promise.

For my minisites, I have used Fiverr gigs. However, if I had a big authority site, I would probably use a larger SEO company.

Rich

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Originally Posted by rambrose

I think those SEO companies will be OK.

There is still the perception that the $5 backlinking gigs are subpar and "you get what you pay for". This is true in many cases, but there are Fiverr gigs that deliver what they promise.

For my minisites, I have used Fiverr gigs. However, if I had a big authority site, I would probably use a larger SEO company.

Rich

Yea.... that's true but how many techcrunch.com kind of sites do you build in a year compare to the buygooglesniperv2.com kind of sites that you build every year?

[TBInternetMarketing]

Yea I think the people who look for a $250 service probably would have never heard of fiver. They may also be more likely to look for SEO companies in their own town or city so they can meet face to face etc.

[Tsnyder]

I doubt Fiverr will have any appreciable effect on
real SEO service providers. I can't imagine anyone
with a serious website that would trust any important
aspect of the success of their site to someone who
will do it for 5 bucks.

Tsnyder

[JoshKelsey]

I think most good seo companies realize that they provide the most value in competition/market research and analytics.

Non-Linkbait link building has always been left to the guys who will do it for $4.

[jamur]

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

I doubt Fiverr will have any appreciable effect on
real SEO service providers. I can't imagine anyone
with a serious website that would trust any important
aspect of the success of their site to someone who
will do it for 5 bucks.

Tsnyder

Yet aren't many SEO companies charging $250 for backlinks just outsourcing much of the grunt work to the Philippines?

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

I doubt Fiverr will have any appreciable effect on
real SEO service providers. I can't imagine anyone
with a serious website that would trust any important
aspect of the success of their site to someone who
will do it for 5 bucks.

Tsnyder

Don't get me wrong Tsnyder but I'm not talking of people who have no clue about SEO (I guess that's why TBInternetMarketing said that they are people who will want to meet you face to fact).

The real success of your website depends on you and not even on some $250/month SEO company except if you have a business idea and you are hiring a web manager to take care of everythings, that's when the success of your website will depend on someone else's effort.

Originally Posted by jamur

Yet aren't many SEO companies charging $250 for backlinks just outsourcing much of the grunt work to the Philippines?

Good, you know about that too...

[Nail Yener]

You can buy unlimited hosting for as low as $5 a month but not everyone knows about that and not everyone will be interested in that.

So, I don't think Fiverr will kill any business.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by IcedSEO-CEO

I don't mean to sound rude but it's the truth... with all those great SEO and backlinking gigs on fiverr for $5, it seems that just about everybody is now doing self SEO and so, I have been thinking, what will now happen to those SEO companies that charge $250 per month to optimize each site?

Giggle. If you think a real SEO company would only charge $250 per month...
SEO is a business where its common to charge several thousands per month. I am talking about real SEO companies.

[Bradley J Anderson]

You could ask this same question for any type of service company, really, not just SEO.

[Tom Johnston]

Originally Posted by Jimmy AL

There are, however, some services that Fiverr doesn't offer. A good case in point here is backlink indexing. The 5 dollar website doesn't provide indexing, so a software like "Backlink Energizer" or a web service specialized in indexing 2000 baclinks/month can still prosper!

That's definitely up for discussion. In my years of doing SEO, I've found that doing the indexing effort (pinging, setting up RSS feeds, etc), makes virtually NO difference as to the speed at which my profile links get indexed.

[friendclk]

I'm worried that if people keep announcing in the forums that you can get $250 worth of backlinking done for $5 on Fiverr, that before long those gigs won't even be worth $5 anymore, because everyone will be doing it.

[abhi1]

There are two reasons these SEO companies will still make a lot of money:

1) You Get what you pay for! $5 for 10 backlinks? They are not quality backlinks honestly.
2) Not everyone know what SEO is exactly and that is why they hire these companies to handle this tedious job for them. Now how do you expect a dentist who has a website to know about keyword research and proper content creation and targeted backlinks?

[Headfirst]

Originally Posted by IcedSEO-CEO

I guess you are not buying the right gigs. How do you does this kind of gig sound "I will write 10 original articles for you in a day for $5", does that sound real?

Lets see... My most recent fiverrs that were never delivered...

• I will make 10 posts on craigslist for you (two different people - no delivery)
• I will customize this javascript calculator for your website
• I will make map maker updates for you
• I will make 10 citations for your website

I did get this snazzy avatar image made on fiverr thouggh.

[Doran Peck]

Fiverr won't put a dent in the SEO market. It will never be able to sustain consistent value because people who have valuable talent will not continue to do serious labor for 4 bucks when someone else is willing to pay them $400.

Perceived value is golden and fiverr will always have the perceived value of garbage to "real" business people and companies.

[Bradley J Anderson]

I am a dentist and I will pull your tooth for $5.

I think that illustrates the point about 'perceived value'.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by IcedSEO-CEO

I don't mean to sound rude but it's the truth... with all those great SEO and backlinking gigs on fiverr for $5, it seems that just about everybody is now doing self SEO and so, I have been thinking, what will now happen to those SEO companies that charge $250 per month to optimize each site?

They will outsource their $250 job through Fiverr for $5.00. and keep the other $245.00.

[IcedSEO-CEO]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

They will outsource their $250 job through Fiverr for $5.00. and keep the other $245.00.

I never said one gig will cut it...

I know what I'm talking about, trust me and I wasn't talking of companies that virtually have no SEO experience that hire SEO companies.

I do SEO and I'm making serious high end 5 figures per month with it as an affiliate but in 2010, I throw out $250 to SEO companies to outsource that part not because I don't know how to do it but because I don't have time to do it but since 2011 I've never used SEO company and my income didn't shake instead my ROI increased as I get to save more per site.

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by IcedSEO-CEO

I never said one gig will cut it...

I know what I'm talking about, trust me and I wasn't talking of companies that virtually have no SEO experience that hire SEO companies.

I do SEO and I'm making serious high end 5 figures per month with it as an affiliate but in 2010, I throw out $250 to SEO companies to outsource that part not because I don't know how to do it but because I don't have time to do it but since 2011 I've never used SEO company and my income didn't shake instead my ROI increased as I get to save more per site.

I used to outsource, as well. But, in an effort to provide more value and more accountablility, I now hire people in house and pay them full time salaries.

I'm afraid Panda was just the beginning. I am seeing a huge devaluation of profile links and SENuke type links in the near future. I have moved from building backlinks, to attracting backlinks. That is actually the way search engines want it done, anyway.

[iuditg]

It's not about SEO companies alone, its about other companies as well. This also includes graphic designer. Recently a guy PMed me asking for a header design. I told him my charge, he gave me a fiverr link saying they charge 5$, I was like sure go ahead with them if you don't want quality.

Fiverr is really hurting a lot of peoples income. Well lets see how it would really affect the future. But really If you need quality services then fiverr is not the place. This includes all types of service from SEO to designing.

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by iuditg

It's not about SEO companies alone, its about other companies as well. This also includes graphic designer. Recently a guy PMed me asking for a header design. I told him my charge, he gave me a fiverr link saying they charge 5$, I was like sure go ahead with them if you don't want quality.

Fiverr is really hurting a lot of peoples income. Well lets see how it would really affect the future. But really If you need quality services then fiverr is not the place. This includes all types of service from SEO to designing.

Eventually some one is going to create a site called threerr.com and that site is going to hurt the income of the people on fiverr.

Do you really want a client that only puts $5 of value in the main section of their website?

[swilliams09]

Originally Posted by iuditg

It's not about SEO companies alone, its about other companies as well. This also includes graphic designer. Recently a guy PMed me asking for a header design. I told him my charge, he gave me a fiverr link saying they charge 5$, I was like sure go ahead with them if you don't want quality.

Fiverr is really hurting a lot of peoples income. Well lets see how it would really affect the future. But really If you need quality services then fiverr is not the place. This includes all types of service from SEO to designing.

I get the same thing with video. I quote a price and I get, oh I can get that for 20 bucks, or I can get that for 5. I tell them good luck! A few have come back afterwards and wanted me to finish up their projects. Sometimes it takes people learning the hard way that you really do get what you pay for.

I just finished my third job for a major car manufacture, they paid the full industry rate without a hitch. Why? Because for them it was fire and forget, they know I will take care of every little detail for them, its less stress and worry for them and the job is done well and on time. It's the same thing with SEO. Do you want to have to hire a ton of people to do every little thing and micro manage each one? Or do you just pay one company to sort out everything, understand your needs and get you the results you want? Most companies don't have time to deal with that level of back and forth. They just want it done, on time and correctly, and people pay good money for that alone.

[Bradley J Anderson]

This is just my own personal observation, obviously, but most of the people I see offering services on Fiverrr are just amateurs. Personally, I don't know of any professional in his field who would offer his services for only $5 even if the project only took 5 minutes. I definitely would not, that's for sure.

That being said, I think Fiverrr is great for people who are just starting out and have little or no money to work with, but I tend to agree with everyone else in that you get what you pay for, whether it's SEO or any other field.

To answer your original question: I really don't think Fiverrr will make much of a dent in the SEO industry as a whole.

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by IcedSEO-CEO

I don't mean to sound rude but it's the truth... with all those great SEO and backlinking gigs on fiverr for $5, it seems that just about everybody is now doing self SEO and so, I have been thinking, what will now happen to those SEO companies that charge $250 per month to optimize each site?

I think you're missing the point.

People don't go to fiverr for quality - they go for price.

Anyone selling their time for $5 is either just plain stupid, using a push button tool that anyone could use or desperate.

Either way - none of those things make for a unique selling proposition that would displace an existing seo relationship with a solid provider.

People often pay for expertise and trust as much as results.

[AffiliateRockstarr]

I do not trust 5$ back link gigs on fiverr come on 5$ for thousands of back links? You are just asking google to not count them as anything. I'll trust the SEO company just because they know what they are doing.

[Fraggler]

So I can get someone to create:

• A complete analysis of my on-site SEO with tips on where to streamline and best structure new content.
• Full breakdown of which keywords my site is already optimised.
• Which keywords I should optimise for that will deliver the most targeted traffic.
• Which keywords I should be targeting immediately for fast turn around that will still support a longer term more lucrative goal.
• Which fresh keywords to create content for on-site.
• Which keywords I should use for off-site article marketing to funnel back to my landing pages for quick returns while on-site organic results work their way up the SERPs.
• Where I can cut my PPC advertising spend by replacing them with organic results with a reasonable ROI after implementation;
• Not to mention the best plan of attack to achieve the above results over the long length of time it will take to implement fully.
• ALL presented in a way that is easy for a lay man to understand and know what benefits will come from it...

all for only $5??

Fivver is great if you want to get a burst of links (if they work or not is another story) but it is hardly SEO or at least SEM.

How does your local fish and chip shop owner even know what to ask for or look for when they load up Fivver.com? SEO is foreign to most people and they need to be educated.

All a business owner cares about is their ROI. If you produce postive results they will happily pay you $250/hour. I doubt they want to be managing a team of $5 workers for something they've got no clue about.

[CapitalSEO]

We use Fiver a lot, but there are a lot of hacks on there. Big and small SEO firms are not going anywhere fast!

[redcell1]

Those companies will still be around.

Sunglass hut and other stores, have they died out because anyone can rent a kiosk at the mall and sell imitations for $10 ?

No, because you want companies that will stand behind their service and get results.
Personally, I buy my sunglasses from sunglass hut or anyone else reputable because their customer service, and I know I am getting a good product for a price I can live with paying.

at $5 if you don't get your 1k links or Serp's movement can you really be mad at them ?

[Ian Varnava]

Originally Posted by IcedSEO-CEO

I don't mean to sound rude but it's the truth... with all those great SEO and backlinking gigs on fiverr for $5, it seems that just about everybody is now doing self SEO and so, I have been thinking, what will now happen to those SEO companies that charge $250 per month to optimize each site?

I feel you man... I saw a couple of SEO guys dying of hunger down the block from me like an hour ago and the last words out of their tired mouths were "I.. hattee.. Phiverrrr".

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Giggle. If you think a real SEO company would only charge $250 per month...
SEO is a business where its common to charge several thousands per month. I am talking about real SEO companies.

Too true. People are confused by providing services and being an SEO. I wouldn't take a $250 per month Full SEO job. I only rarely take a job sub $1,000-$2,000. Fiverr gigs bother me? Haven't even thought of them. First what real business would be looking at fiverrr for any kind of marketing? Cheap and broke ones. I thank Fiverr for redirecting them to another source. Those clients would only bother me with emails and never do a thing anyway

As for the few in here that believe that there are some Fiverr gigs that can deliver what a real SEO will? Really? Show them to me and the results? They can't match what I provide.

Extensive keyword research followed by competition analysis for several keywords. I find the terms that they can actually rank for not by running some software but by analyzing the top ten like no piece of software does. I find out where the competition is getting their backlinks from as a basis for doing liink building. That right. I don't assume one size fits all. I don't just assume (which is entirely false for most results) that the competition is running Senuke/Xrummer. I also don't cherry pick one easy term since most real business don't give a rip about being "on the first page of Google". it means nothing to them. They are concerned with significant traffic that ultimately leads to significant sales increase

Once the keyword and competition research is done then its time to analyze the owner's sites and work on their on page factors. At some point that includes running a crawler with diagnostics through the entire site to see it just like Google does, changing titles, H1 tags, alt etc. then many times writing and addig content for Google crawler to sink its teeth into

only then are we even ready to do linkbuilding.

and no can't blast for Seo for real businesses. Thats a warrior forum SEO myth.

A) most real competition keywords get little traction with forum/profile backlinks. they work for weaker terms yes that are common among Imers but don't for many more terms unless mixed with REAL backlinks (backlinks with authority and PR).

If you doubt me then go ahead and do backlink research on any main line business term and you will almost never find a site ranking without real links mixed in

B) Most real businesses get 70+% of their existing revenue from repeat customers and recommendations from them. Being associated with link spam would hurt almost all of them and none of them want to lose existing customers over it.

Perhaps some Imers kid themselves that everyone has the same mentality as Imers about link spam but its entirely false. A SIZABLE amount of customers view link spam as the same kind of thing as email spam.


So I then have to do link building without relying on forum/profile links and it has to include far more than article directory submissions. Fiverrr vendors wouldn't even know where to start doing link building without profile/article directory/bookmarking links and some software bot to place them.

Fiverr for real business seo can't even begin to compete.

[Michael55555]

Originally Posted by Bradley J Anderson

I am a dentist and I will pull your tooth for $5.

I think that illustrates the point about 'perceived value'.

lolololol funny stuff.

[Ian Varnava]

Originally Posted by Bradley J Anderson

I am a dentist and I will pull your tooth for $5.

LOL... they actually do that at NYU dental school I've heard. It's students using pliers or something... I was offered to get some expensive dental work done there once for practically free, but when I heard they used pliers and other tools from Home Depot... I rann.

/joke (almost)

[cluongo18]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

They will outsource their $250 job through Fiverr for $5.00. and keep the other $245.00.

This. Is. A. Problem. Already.

On DP forums I see so many newbies offering SEO services, yet they make threads in the SEO forum asking all sorts of SEO noob questions. In retro-spect its just called hustling, but online. Gotta make that money.

I think Fiver is neat for some things, maybe little simple SEO jobs, but nobody should trust a Fiver Gig for a full site optimization or backlinks AT ALL. I think in the end you crap backlinks you get from Fiver will just ruin your website.

Good SEO companies that good a very good job will stay in business and keep charing that $250

[celljon]

If you are just about to start a new business and would want to go cheap then you can do-it-yourself the link building process. An essential move is by emailing the webmaster where you want to put your link on. You should bear in mind the compatibility of your site from those sites you want to put your link on. Also avoid sites that are competitive to yours. Being a starter in such league, it’s best to consult a SEO link building services provider.

[Adam H]

LMFAO.....That is all

[zoobie]

Originally Posted by Headfirst

You get what you pay for. Most of the fiverr tasks I've purchased were never delivered. It's priced to be cheap enough that you just walk away when you dont get it.

Well may be you picked up the wrong persons. But some cheap link services, I would say "run away from them" they do nothing but spam links....

[ZaneZenMaster]

Fiverr is a game changer; but there are somthings that Fiverr people just won't do for $5; Indeed people do some really high value stuff for 5 dollars, but while with freelancer you can outsource people to be fulltime workers for you, or to do a really big project for you that just won't be fair to let someone do for 5 dollars. Lol.

Use Fragglers Response as an example.

[NastyBlast]

Originally Posted by IcedSEO-CEO

what will now happen to those SEO companies that charge $250 per month to optimize each site?

They can die, because 90% of them are work from home self proclaimed Seo professionals. 90% of them feed outdated rumors and overall garbage people at an hourly rate. They make it hard for legitimate Seo services to operate because of the amount of times people get burned from the fake SEOs, or the Seo consultants that only think they know what they're talking about.