Deindexed and Sandboxed after SEnuke - What to do?

[ChrisWF]

Hi
Very sad day today.
My main site with 800 unique visitors a day disappeared out of the Google Index.

With that I mean when I google for “site:www.mysite.com” without the quotes, there shows up nothing.

The site has around 60 pages that are optimized for one keyword each. The domain has PR2 and is about 9 years old. (Bought in 02/11)

In the past 2,5 month I´ve done a lot of backlinking to the Main-page and to the other keyword optimized pages. Yahoo is showing around 1950 backlinks already. I´ve also made a lot of backlinks to Web 2.0 properties to shield my site.

But then comes SEnuke X along.
I´ve read here and in other forums that there is nothing like the Google Sandbox or Google Deindexing and Backlinks can never hurt you. (man was I wrong)

So I decided to do a little bit nuking for my site.
Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

That´s it. On 04/27/11 after around 300 Visitors, Google kicked me out of the Index.
That site made me around $200 this month in Adsense and Clickbank. Yesterday was 0,01 in Adsense.


I have two other sites that are Google Sandboxed since February and Beginning of April.
By Sandboxed I mean they show up in the google index but are on page 500 or elsewhere. These two sites are not nuked but I have bought Backlink packs at fiverr or Warriorforum. (Xrumer…)

Don´t let that happen to you!
Please keep attention to what you are doing to your sites. I can guarantee you that it is a very bad feeling when your sites are not found in google any more.

Any suggestions on what I can do to get my sites back in the Big G again?
And/or what can I do to not let this happen again to my other new sites that I´ll build?
How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?

Thanks Chris

[markowe]

Sounds bad but I would wait a few more days - I have had this happen, a site totally disappearing from the index for a few days, but returning quite quickly. Could just be some strange reindexing effect.

I have had plenty of sites shoved down the rankings like the other sites you mention. I am trying some subtle backlinking on one recently slapped site to try and see if it's even possible to recover such sites. One of them was almost certainly due to thin content, another might have been due to use of an Xfactorish template. But can they rank again, that is the question, especially without any major on-page changes.

Many people will say that even such 'penalties' often turn out to be temporary since otherwise people could use that effect to get their competitors deindexed. Actually, some smart-alec ALWAYS says that, though I have rarely heard of that theory actually being tested, it's more like received wisdom. Though maybe your footprint is just TOO blindingly obvious...

[thebalance]

If your site is really sandboxed, then try to build constantly HIGH PR Backlinks.

It can only recommend to get your backlinks indexed by the search engine itself, the whole pinging and fast indexing stuff isn't good at all. Just let G find those links and you'll be out of the sandbox very soon.

[thebitbotdotcom]

This is the first time I have hear a report like this. If true, then that is major.

[Dellco]

WOW. This has to be bumped...!

If you care to elaborate, can you show us your URL? Since it is deindexed already.

This is a manual penalty for sure.

Maybe Google is finally putting its foot down on all these automated linking systems?

[Oranges]

Direct linking to your money site is always risky.
Buying high PR quality blogposts (link to your money site) and then using tools like Senuke, SB, Xrumer and Senuke to energize those blogpost pages with backlinks work perfectly, because your not directly putting you money site on risk because by this way you pass link juice indirectly to your main money site.

[DigitalMaze]

My main site just droped from #13 to #550 on two phrases. Ive been using Sick Submitter, which is a great service but may have overdone it. The domain has not been de indexed so Im hoping its just the G dance.

[ChrisWF]

Originally Posted by Dellco

WOW. This has to be bumped...!

If you care to elaborate, can you show us your URL? Since it is deindexed already.

No, hopefully someday the site will be back again.

This is a manual penalty for sure.
Maybe Google is finally putting its foot down on all these automated linking systems?

Maybe, maybe not. There are successful Nukers who don´t care for how much they are nuking and have never gotten a site deindexed. They are often doing it for month and years. On new and old sites.

Have to learn a lot, that’s for sure. I´ll never do Back linking in that way again. But what is a save and better way to use SEnuke?
There are thousands of meanings out there and everybody says the opposite.

Chris

[KristofVanoverbeek]

I've been there move on there is now way you see it back anytime soon. And maybe after a few month it will appear again like it did with me.



Kristof

[DSGChina]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

Hi
Very sad day today.
My main site with 800 unique visitors a day disappeared out of the Google Index.

With that I mean when I google for “site:www.mysite.com” without the quotes, there shows up nothing.

The site has around 60 pages that are optimized for one keyword each. The domain has PR2 and is about 9 years old. (Bought in 02/11)

In the past 2,5 month I´ve done a lot of backlinking to the Main-page and to the other keyword optimized pages. Yahoo is showing around 1950 backlinks already. I´ve also made a lot of backlinks to Web 2.0 properties to shield my site.

But then comes SEnuke X along.
I´ve read here and in other forums that there is nothing like the Google Sandbox or Google Deindexing and Backlinks can never hurt you. (man was I wrong)

So I decided to do a little bit nuking for my site.
Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

That´s it. On 04/27/11 after around 300 Visitors, Google kicked me out of the Index.
That site made me around $200 this month in Adsense and Clickbank. Yesterday was 0,01 in Adsense.


I have two other sites that are Google Sandboxed since February and Beginning of April.
By Sandboxed I mean they show up in the google index but are on page 500 or elsewhere. These two sites are not nuked but I have bought Backlink packs at fiverr or Warriorforum. (Xrumer…)

Don´t let that happen to you!
Please keep attention to what you are doing to your sites. I can guarantee you that it is a very bad feeling when your sites are not found in google any more.

Any suggestions on what I can do to get my sites back in the Big G again?
And/or what can I do to not let this happen again to my other new sites that I´ll build?
How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?

Thanks Chris

Keep us posted. I'd just keep building links. Question: how many links for your site according to Majestic SEO?

[bhupindrverma]

You wont going to believe how simple it is
Start getting .gov and .edu backlinks

And stop creating direct backlinks from an other domain.

[Dellco]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

No, hopefully someday the site will be back again.



Maybe, maybe not. There are successful Nukers who don´t care for how much they are nuking and have never gotten a site deindexed. They are often doing it for month and years. On new and old sites.

Have to learn a lot, that’s for sure. I´ll never do Back linking in that way again. But what is a save and better way to use SEnuke?
There are thousands of meanings out there and everybody says the opposite.

Chris

Why I think it is a manual penalty is because old sites do not go deindexed all of a sudden, unless someone at the Googleplex pushed the deindex button. Your site was old and doing good before it got the G slap, so it has to point to that.

As far as I know, the only way to get out of a manual penalty is to clean up your links (I don't know if that is possible) and.... ask for reconsideration.

Or 301 redirect your content to a new domain, but that is risky.

[4morereferrals]

Re: Deindexed and Sandboxed after SEnuke - What to do?

Answer is simple to me ...

There's 10 people on the first page that arent YOU to use that $147 per month tool on to make it finally live up to it's name...

SE NUKE ... .you're competitors ... FULL MONTY their @zz's

While your at it - 5'r them to oblivion with xrumer gigs.

[alexts]

Google cannot penalize you based on amount of links that you build.
Think about it.It does not make any logical sense.It it would be true, you have a "power" to deindex any site on the internet( including your competition) by just running SENUKE campaigns on them.

I suggest not to panic waiting few days or couple of weeks. It will come back.

[IM Ash]

Sorry to hear about this... really sad to say the least

I bet one of your competitors filed a spam report with Google and there might have been a manual review... but I could be wrong!

[ChrisWF]

Originally Posted by DSGChina

Keep us posted. I'd just keep building links. Question: how many links for your site according to Majestic SEO?

Referring Domains 994
External Backlinks 15,578
592 Referring IP addresses
477 are Class C subnets
828 Indexed URLs

What do these numbers mean?

Chris

[ChrisWF]

Originally Posted by bhupindrverma

You wont going to believe how simple it is
Start getting .gov and .edu backlinks

And stop creating direct backlinks from an other domain.

Do you know where I can get these and how much do I need?

Chris

[ChrisWF]

Originally Posted by Eleva8

Sorry to hear about this... really say to say the least

I bet one of your competitors filed a spam report with Google and there might have been a manual review... but I could be wrong!

That´s an Idea. Actually I had someone that was interested to buy this Domain the last week. We didn´t come together because of the Price I was asking for.
But when it is that easy to file a spam report I could do this to all my competition. I don´t really believe that.

Chris

[Chris Sorrell]

For such an old site it's not going to be anything to do with backlinks other than maybe a little 'dance' but even then it doesn't happen that often with old sites. Put it this way, there are sites that are much newer than yours and have hundreds of thousands of links and they're fine. Is far more likely to be to do with keyword stuffing or poor outbound links from your site.

[Matt Helphrey]

Chris,

Sorry to hear that man. If your site is deindexed I don't think there is much that you can do regardless of how "easy" some people think it is.

Was that the only adsense site of yours to get deindexed?

Too many backlinks can draw a red flag for a manual site review, but the links themselves probably arent going to get you deindexed. The reviewer might have seen something wrong with your site...thin content, MFA, who you are linking to, etc.

Give it some time and see what happens. Unless you fix your site and resubmit it for reconsideration to get it back in the GOogle index (slim chance), you really don't have much for options. Move on and learn. That's really all you can do.

Matt

[uProSoft]

I just got de-indexed and i suppose sandboxed. Chris we are flocking together. Nothing sucks like when your bank account gets shut down without notice. arg!

[IM Ash]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

That´s an Idea. Actually I had someone that was interested to buy this Domain the last week. We didn´t come together because of the Price I was asking for.
But when it is that easy to file a spam report I could do this to all my competition. I don´t really believe that.

Chris

It's easier than you think to file a spam report...

Report spam, paid links, malware, and other problems to Google - Webmaster Tools Help

Is spamming for backlinks now allowed by Google? - Webmaster Central Help

[Chris Kent]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

I´ve read here and in other forums that there is nothing like the Google Sandbox or Google Deindexing and Backlinks can never hurt you. (man was I wrong)

Yep, and the usual mantra has been "because my competitors could do it, Google can never penalise it".

Despite my mentioning that a ruck of xrumer backlinks can do this, plenty here still do not believe it.

I don't know why so many here have been in such denial for so long when it is well known on BH forums that this can happen.

[fitz10]

Did you check out Google Webmasters Tool to see if there's any information there on why your site was deindexed? You can sometimes request reconsideration depending on the issue. Is it possible your site could have gotten some malware installed on it or some spammy links put on it? Some website owners don't even know they've had malicious code inserted into the page until they check Google and find out they're ranking for some pharmaceutical term or something.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

Referring Domains 994
External Backlinks 15,578
592 Referring IP addresses
477 are Class C subnets
828 Indexed URLs

What do these numbers mean?

Chris

it means theres a helluva lot more to the story as to why you were de-indexed than using SENuke.

[Justin Stowe]

As Oranges mentioned earlier, the "safe" way to use SENuke is to build sites like Social Network pages, blogger or wordpress blogs, etc. then nuke those to oblivion.

That said, there's so many guys here that advocate quality over quantity, I would think they must have their reasons...

[Capig]

Doe's anyone remember a term known as the fear factor?

I mentioned on another thread, is it a good idea to use SEX on your quality allready money generating ranking sites?

I've always found that once at the top of G. It doesn't take much to maintain or return your site to it's best ranking position.

BUT Yes I nuked a couple of my better sites, one got (I felt slapped) one has jumped to page one for a rather competitive keyword..

The site that got slapped to oblivion off the first page of google has 3 of the articles that sex created on the first page of G. Then 2 on the second, 4 on the third and so on. They haven,t generated any income but it has only been 3 weeks...

By the way it is never a good idea to compete against your site with the same keywords that you are trying to rank your site for.

Let's see what happens..

[MarksWineClub]

Have you logged into Webmaster Tools? When my site was deindexed after being hacked and linking out to 2000 viagara posts from every page....Google sent me an email notification with instructions about how to ask for re inclusion.

60 pages in 9 years seems a little light, no?

[ChrisWF]

Originally Posted by MarksWineClub

Have you logged into Webmaster Tools? When my site was deindexed after being hacked and linking out to 2000 viagara posts from every page....Google sent me an email notification with instructions about how to ask for re inclusion.

60 pages in 9 years seems a little light, no?

In the Webmaster Tools are no post from Google, no Errors, nothing.
I already wrote a letter to the Google Webmaster Team and asked for some clarification.
If I know what went wrong there may be a way to fix that.


I have the domain since February and I think 60 Pages with HQ Articles are very good in that short timeframe.
Also I have around 1200 posts that are done with WPmagic. That way I´ve discovered a few keywords that Google sent me traffic for. If that happens, I take that keyword and write a unique Article for that keyword. The best new keyword had 523 hits last month.


What I hate on Google is that there are no clear rules. They only say don´t drive too fast. They don´t say here the speed limit is 50 and here the limit is 70. You´re driving like everyone with 60 when it’s 50 and perhaps 80 when it says 70. I know that’s too fast, but hey everybody does that and when I´ve been caught then I pay a few dollars and it’s good. But Google didn´t tell me when I have to drive 50. They caught me driving 90 and they decided to cut my head off. Done. No judge, no explanation, nothing.
If they just send a standard letter saying “Attention! You´ve been driving too fast here and there, slow down. We watch you and as a first penalty we put you in the sandbox for 4 weeks. After that we decide whether you will be de-indexed or go to Page 1”.

That would give me a clear idea what I´ve been doing wrong and I guarantee you I wouldn´t have done that Nuke or whatever went wrong again.

OK, enough of that rambling. Blue Sky and the Sun is shining. I'll take my bike and scramble the frustration.

A Good Sunday to everybody.
Chris

[Backlinksboy]

dont build backlinks any more for the site.

remove the URL's which you have added to the sites (backlinks), the site will be back in google.

create new pages on your site, keep adding content

[masterjani]

Do one thing leave the site for two weeks and apply for reconsideration.before that add some more extra pages too.
Requesting reconsideration of your site - Webmaster Tools Help

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

Also I have around 1200 posts that are done with WPmagic.
Chris

So you have 60 unique articles and 1200 auto generated posts? Could that be the reason your site failed a manual review?

Would appreciate if someone can untangle this part.

I also use WPRobot to populate feeder sites, but never for my money sites.

Hope you will figure it out and come out of it, all the best!

Chucky

[arie_ds]

Do you use a plugin who automatically convert your incoming keywords into tags? eg. seoboosterpro, or STT2

[dp40oz]

Guarantee this has nothing to do with backlinks. If you let a few people take a look at your site I bet we could discover the real reason.

[ElectronPlumber]

I've been working on a deindexing FAQ here at WF and I'd like to add whatever you find here to it. Take a look and see if anything pertains to your site: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...deindexed.html

If you really and truly get nothing for a correctly formatted site:mysite.com or a straight search for mysite.com then you have done something wrong in the eyes of Google. Could be something as simple as a robots.txt or similar problem, but I can't say for sure without seeing the site.

If you'd like to PM me the site, I'd be happy to take a look at it. Look through that post I linked above, I've done the same for a number of people. The SENuking could be a coincidence and you may have seriously violated the Google Webmaster Standards when you did your redesign.

[Steven Dybka]

Google would rarely de index a 9 year old site based just on to many backlinks,there has to be a different reason why this happened,by the way how many backlinks were you actually shooting at your site with senuke?


Steve

[ChrisWF]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

If you'd like to PM me the site, I'd be happy to take a look at it. Look through that post I linked above, I've done the same for a number of people. The SENuking could be a coincidence and you may have seriously violated the Google Webmaster Standards when you did your redesign.

Hi ElectronPlumber

PM send. Thanks for your interest.


Chris

[ElectronPlumber]

I took a look. You don't have any obvious technical problems that I could find, robots.txt looks good and such.

Here is the stuff you really want to fix before you resubmit for reconsideration:

1. USING THE BACK BUTTON ON YOUR SITE POPS A BROWSER ERROR DIALOG!!! I tried it on two different browsers. Seems to happen the most on your About page for some reason. This is your #1 problem. I tried to leave your site using my back button got an error dialog popup. You must have an exit capture script that is broken. This is very likely why you were deindexed. Google hates those things even when they do work, but this one looks like you are getting stuck.
2. Lose the duplicate content.
3. Lose the opt-in capture popup. I've heard other people complain that their site dropped in rank after adding one of those.
4. Your disclaimer link in your footer doesn't work. You have some bizarre syntax there.
5. You have some pages that are 100% iframes of other sites. Makes it hard to navigate. Why are you iframing those anyway? You should just be able to link to them directly with your affiliate link. Makes your site look sneaky.
6. You are using the Apple logo for your site thumbnail image. You never know, Apple might have been a copyright claim against your site. Seems unlikely, but take it down anyway.
7. Make sure you aren't doing anything sneaky like serving different content to Googlebot than regular users like me.

Don't forget that Google wants a quality experience for people using the search engine and that site doesn't cut it in the eyes of a Google, no offense. I'd strongly suggest you fix the problems noted above then wait at least a month before you submit a reconsideration request. You may have been deindexed by an algorithm (not a human) and if you can fix it without a human at Google seeing that site, you are far better off.

[GeorgR.]

Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

Why would yo do such craziness?

No site on earth would receive such link velocity within a few days...

The other factor might be what you used for your nuking...eg. garbage articles/duplicate content? This might play a role also.

Look...its so simple:

You receive an incredible number links (and links linking to the links) AND profiles and RSS and whatever you do with Senuke.

In addition, you go full out with this a few days in a row.

GOOGLE sees the amazing surge of backlinks...and a quick automatic analysis shows they are ALL from web2.0, profiles, etc..trash, garbage PR0 or PR1 links.

It doesn't take rocket science to conclude there is something "not normal" going on, NOT if such a crazy backlinking would'nt be (AT LEAST!) be backed by several extreme good, high PR authority backlinks. (Which would explain such a link surge, eg. if you would all of a sudden have a link on wikpedia etc.)

But it is not, its only zillions of web2.0 links.

People...THINK <---

Sorry...being harsh...

[GeorgR.]

Add:

Sandbox/Dance is NORMAL, especially after Xrumer blasts. No ranking change without seeing some drops first...

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

But when it is that easy to file a spam report I could do this to all my competition. I don´t really believe that.

Chris

Wait a minute. You don't believe that other people can file a spam report and screw up your site but you believe that too many backlinks can? Your competitors can easily do this to you as well.

[dburk]

Hi ElectronPlumber and 4morereferrals,

Thanks for helping to debunk yet another erroneous claim of backlinks causing a website to be de-indexed.

It seems to always be something else, but for some reason folks just love to blame the web spam. I think that it could be that they feel the most guilt about the web spam and automatically assume it is the thing they feel the most guilt over.

Think about it folks, when you have a case of someone littering the web with spam, that same person just might have tried to cut more than a few corners. When that person gets the increased exposure from their promotional activities they also increase the likeliness of a human review. So the backlink campaign gains exposure and exposure speeds the discovery of other dubious practices. It's a story told almost daily on this forum.

[MarkSherris]

how exactly did you go about doing your nuke? Which modules did you use?

It's happened to me before but what I find is that it should be a lot harder for it to happen on senuke x, because you should be spreading the submission out over a few days.

SENUKE NO NO'S:

Don't hit your money sit with forum profiles, there's too many and unless you schedule it out over like a month then it's risky... make sure your forum profiles are always another level deep, so they're hitting tier 1 links or EVEN hitting tier 2 links.

If you're going to link directly to your money site with profiles make sure it's just web2.0 because there's only about 60 of those, it tends to work well for me.

Try and keep things simple with senuke x... it's powerful but its TOO powerful in the wrong hands... if you go all out you'll see bad results... use simple submissions and spread them out over a week, here's one that tends to work well for me:

MONEY SITE
^
^
web2.0 blog
^
^
bookmarks
^
^
RSS & FORUM PROFILES

Hope that makes sense, as I say be random with your linking but whatever your doing dont go overboard and you'll be ok :-)

It's nasty having your site dumped from the index... VERY nasty indeed...but chances are itll come back so you might as well spend your time working on something else instead of waiting around for it... that way when it does come back you'll have another site making money too!

[simonbuzz]

I did never use any automation tool...in my life cause they are just a waste of your money and time...I am having huge success without using any automation tools...like senuke..so next time do backlinks manually and you will be fine...

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by ChrisWF

Hi
Very sad day today.
My main site with 800 unique visitors a day disappeared out of the Google Index.

With that I mean when I google for “site:www.mysite.com” without the quotes, there shows up nothing.

The site has around 60 pages that are optimized for one keyword each. The domain has PR2 and is about 9 years old. (Bought in 02/11)

In the past 2,5 month I´ve done a lot of backlinking to the Main-page and to the other keyword optimized pages. Yahoo is showing around 1950 backlinks already. I´ve also made a lot of backlinks to Web 2.0 properties to shield my site.

But then comes SEnuke X along.
I´ve read here and in other forums that there is nothing like the Google Sandbox or Google Deindexing and Backlinks can never hurt you. (man was I wrong)

So I decided to do a little bit nuking for my site.
Nuke 1 04/13/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 2 04/15/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 3 04/16/11 Wizard More Powerful Simple Pyramid (Main Page + 2 others)
Nuke 4 04/25/11 Wizard Full Monty (Main Page + 2 others)

That´s it. On 04/27/11 after around 300 Visitors, Google kicked me out of the Index.
That site made me around $200 this month in Adsense and Clickbank. Yesterday was 0,01 in Adsense.


I have two other sites that are Google Sandboxed since February and Beginning of April.
By Sandboxed I mean they show up in the google index but are on page 500 or elsewhere. These two sites are not nuked but I have bought Backlink packs at fiverr or Warriorforum. (Xrumer…)

Don´t let that happen to you!
Please keep attention to what you are doing to your sites. I can guarantee you that it is a very bad feeling when your sites are not found in google any more.

Any suggestions on what I can do to get my sites back in the Big G again?
And/or what can I do to not let this happen again to my other new sites that I´ll build?
How can I use SEnuke X in a more safe way?

Thanks Chris

Sounds like senuke is very powerful. Can we hire you to run campaigns for my competitors? Because if what you are saying is correct then we can start taking our competitors rankings down.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi ElectronPlumber and 4morereferrals,

Thanks for helping to debunk yet another erroneous claim of backlinks causing a website to be de-indexed.

It seems to always be something else, but for some reason folks just love to blame the web spam. I think that it could be that they feel the most guilt about the web spam and automatically assume it is the thing they feel the most guilt over.

Think about it folks, when you have a case of someone littering the web with spam, that same person just might have tried to cut more than a few corners. When that person gets the increased exposure from their promotional activities they also increase the likeliness of a human review. So the backlink campaign gains exposure and exposure speeds the discovery of other dubious practices. It's a story told almost daily on this forum.

If they de indexed sites solely for the use of spammy profile links - there'd be 30% of their index .... well .... de indexed :-) A LOT of my stuff included.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Sounds like senuke is very powerful. Can we hire you to run campaigns for my competitors? Because if what you are saying is correct then we can start taking our competitors rankings down.

We're about to see what XR might do to some folks - just to prove one way or another. Just a -50 penalty would suffice :-)

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

We're about to see what XR might do to some folks - just to prove one way or another. Just a -50 penalty would suffice :-)

We have sites where the only backlinks we have to it are from xrumer links. We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly. Right now xrumer is actually pretty solid.

After grabbing over 2000 page one rankings for Warriors in the last 11 months I have come to the conclusion that Google doesn't care about web spam whatsoever. They only care about the quality of the sites reaching the serps. So if you see a site deindexed from ranking it's always onpage seo related. A lot of times too folks will backlink to their site and get it to page one only to have it pop up on Google's radar and it's then their onpage issues are found. So they get deindexed.

[scoopy]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

We have sites where the only backlinks we have to it are from xrumer links. We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly. Right now xrumer is actually pretty solid.

Can someone explain what this man is saying here what does he mean by

We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly.

thanks

-Scoopy

[ChrisWF]

Originally Posted by scoopy

Can someone explain what this man is saying here what does he mean by

We also have done the same with press releases, uaw, amr, and a couple other services. We do that so that if any source drops link juice we'll know it instantly and then adjust our formula accordingly.
thanks
-Scoopy

Hi Scoopy

he has sites that he only build backlinks too with Xrumer.
He also has sites that he builds links too only with UAW...
That way he can see what links or services are good or bad and do work.


Chris