The Truth about SEO software (Senuke X, Seo Link Robot, Serobot, Magic Submitter...)

[Joseph Then]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Personally i dont think that software like SenukeX *alone* wont do anything exceptional since they are too limited in their range of where they post links (web2.0, articles, BM etc.) which is not diverse ENOUGH..and Google will also have those sites on their #list for some time already, i can see that.

But used in addition they can be helpful. Say, you already established a good and rather quality link profile for your sites..then it certainly can help to boost your site with more web2.0 links, bookmarks etc.

In short, diversify your backlinking profile.

[Daniel Wilson]

I've never done a lot of backlinking and I've got all my sites even those with high competition and high searches (20 000+) to page 1, top 3 places.

I do a few backlinks with high PR and that is that.

[mosthost]

It seems to me people are vastly overrating the number of links they need to gain a top position in Google. Examining the backlinks for many competitive SERPs you'll see many examples of websites that don't have lots of links and they don't even have that much IP diversity. They do have some high power relevant text links, though.

[DamenRabat]

With regards to SenukeX, I used it, tried to rather and found it super complex. A learning curve so steep that it just was no joy at all to pull through.

Similar with Magic Submitter. It just is not true that these tools are user friendly, no matter what they might be able to achieve or not.

[Amod Oke]

Instead of investing 127 on senukex, you would get much better rankings with a combination of using private networks like BMR, and hiring temporary workers (fiverr) to post on web 2.0's

There is seriously no holy grail of backlinking, there are so many options; RSS links, .gov and edu links, forum (dead now), that a normal person can easily get overwhelmed.

The one and only thing we can all remember in this post panda world is unique content, unique content and more unique content....all scattered throughout the digital world (aka on diverse ip's!!)

[siyaji]

Originally Posted by faceblogger

I have not bought any of these software. SB, AMR, BMD & Xrumer together give me very good rankings!

a nice detail on these topics you said need a detialed and contributed explanation,is any solution to help me out

[rezaulhuq]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

It seems that more and more of those "clones" are being released, let's name a few

* Senuke X
* Seo Link Robot
* SERobot
* Magic Submitter

All of those have some interesting things in common:

* They are using the common Web2.0 properties, Social Profiles, Forum Profiles, Bookmarking, RSS, Article Directories etc.
* Most of them need a monthly subscription
* They are all pretty expensive (eg. Senuke would cost you about $1800 every year)

Now, you can call me a ranter, whatever..but i am missing something essential:

REAL LIFE, raving results about the achieved rankings!

This is especially true after the recent Google Panda update which SEEMED to have hit Web2.0 sites also (the core of most of those software programs) - effectively meaning that those tools lost a lot of their effectiveness.

What i am saying:

I can read hours on hours every day about "strategies" and "cool features" and how X is better than Y, and how X is buggy but Y is good...but rarely any reads *anywhere* about amazing ranking results with any of the programs.

Actually, the opposite is the case.

On ***linksf**um.com , recently someone posted really pathetic ranking results having bought XXXXX for $147/month..using "oh so advanced" link strategies....but getting incredible pathetic ranking gains of maybe +2 or +5 SERP positions..which is a joke in my opinion.

"I was at position 51 before, now i am at 44".

I am waiting for the day where i read a real case study of someone using ANY of those expensive products (and not some hyped up fake "review")..where someone proves without a doubt that he gained incredible ranking results and that the software is really working for what it is INTENDED to do: Getting good Google rankings!

I am not interesting in technicalities, how advanced the software allegedly is and how better X is compared to Y..but REAL results measured in Google - in particular after the Panda update!

So far I am concerned about the application of automated techniques, once the site is ranked in good SERPs, google engineers manually check if the techniques is whitehat or not. Once they find any involvement of BlueFart techniques, the site is kicked out then.

[Amod Oke]

So far I am concerned about the application of automated techniques, once the site is ranked in good SERPs, google engineers manually check if the techniques is whitehat or not. Once they find any involvement of BlueFart techniques, the site is kicked out then

Are you kidding?

[outwest]

Originally Posted by thedude916

I've had quite a bit of success using SEnuke, AMR, and scrapebox. I'm ranking #3 after 2 1/2 months of SEO work for a search term that gets 18k + monthly searches (EXACT match.)

It's generating me close to $200+ a day.

.

Is that Adsense?

[neil_patmore]

Quote:
So far I am concerned about the application of automated techniques, once the site is ranked in good SERPs, google engineers manually check if the techniques is whitehat or not. Once they find any involvement of BlueFart techniques, the site is kicked out then
Are you kidding?

I agree. If you're flagged for a manual review and your backlink profile doesn't look natural, you risk a penalty.

[Rick B]

I believe that I do much better writing quality content that others will link to and then spend a little time once in a while manually seeking a few quality backlinks from related blogs, forums, etc. that have few other outgoing links on the page.

[nectarius]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

If you can't get huge ranking gains using these tools then you are doing something wrong. I have SEO Link Robot, Senuke X, Scrapebox, VenomSEO, Profile Link Robot and AMR. I haven't manually built a link in months and have reached first page for pretty much every keyword ive targeted.

The mistake people make is they do a free trial of Senuke X for example. They run 1 or 2 campaigns with virtually no idea what they're really doing, they don't see ranking boosts and then decide that the software sucks. If you take the time to learn these tools they are incredibly powerful.

Yes I totally agree with your position, the single one truth is just THE WAY you use all those software, the perfect and cheap one to date that delivers HUGE results is Magic Submitter. This software alone with a deep 4 level Campaign can get you on top of Google under 2 weeks.

I know it because I do it all day long.

[itlnoor]

I don't think SEO begins and ends with this software. We must optimize our websites for SEO. We must follow the genuine white hate policy before we enter SEnuke or other options. At the most these sites will act as a second tier link building strategy.
Nothing more nothing less

[Dev!l]

It's not only about buying the tool. It's also about knowing how and when to use them. People think that their job is done once they've made a payment of $147/month. They think that by clicking a few buttons all their sites are going to be sitting pretty at the top of Google's rankings.

You will need to put in a lot of work (Read as: Testing) and effort in understanding how these tools can actually benefit you, although I do agree that most of the tools out there in the market are pretty sub-standard to say the least.

[SEOJack]

The business with these programs is thriving since around 95% of all people on warrior forum, other IM forums etc are complete beginners.

Now, when these beginners see posts from users that promise all kinds of miracles etc then they will buy into them for sure. No wonder, they have no idea how SEO works actually and are looking to find the easiest, the cheapest and the shortest way to achieve the goals.

Well, unfortunately those doesn't exist. You still have to do it the old school way where you need to work hard to get somewhere. It's just too bad many people don't realize it, even worse that a lot of people are willing to exploit these beginners and rip them off their cash by promising things which are not possible.

[bluetechseo]

In my opinion I think Senuke has its place in SEO, yes you get lower quality back links but as mentioned in this thread its important to have a good spread of back links as this looks more natural.

Using these tools solely will not get you anywhere fast but combined with other on page/offpage etc techniques it can definately help.

Me personally I dont use them enough to pay the subsription so I out source what I need.

Also for those who are breaking into SEO buying a tool like Senuke can earn you a good income. A friend of mine makes $50 to $70 a day running campaigns for other people, this then leaves him time and money to work on his own niches.

My verdict: outsource what you need there are many sites like 5err you can use.

[ArticleMan]

I've owned my online store now for 6 years. I just stuck with it, even when I wanted to give up. I'd no idea what I was doing but I was slowly building backlinks manually, and adding more and more content and more products to my site, increasing its size.

Now I use SENuke X, Unique Article Wizard and Bookmarking Demon - all combined with The Best Spinner. I stopped doing manual link building a while back.

These tools have helped me reach the #1 positions in Google for keywords searched 50,000-500,000 times per month, locally, not globally. And a few keywords that are searched 50,000 to 100,000 times per month I have #1 and #2 rankings for - for different pages on my site optimized for the same keyword.

A Full Monty campaign within SENuke X, which a lot of people "hype" about, takes me 4-5 days working straight from 8am to 3pm to load content into it before I can "magically press a button" to submit it.

This is because I load the highest quality content I possibly can and also make 100% sure that all content is in full-spin syntax - which takes hours to do, correctly.

And paying these prices for each service is worth it to me because I make my money back 10x over again... month after month.

Also, SeNuke X requires more than $147 per month, you'll also be incorporating other services with SeNuke X:

1. Collection of IP addresses (I rent 10 every month)
2. Captcha solving (I buy 50,000 per month)
3. Smart pills (I don't take these but you will have too. You need to be smart in order for these tools to work.)

For example: Unique Article Wizard: Once I've exhausted my most relevant categories to submit to for a certain keyword, I'll then write and fully-spin an article about Link Building and intelligently place my keyword within the resource box: In order to rank for "Keyword", you really need to create as many unique backlinks as possible.

Even though it's completely irrelevant to my site topics, Google still counts them.

Bottom line: You have to be extremely intelligent and focus a lot of time and effort on these tools and figure out ways to make them even more powerful. If you're not the brightest, don't worry, I wasn't a while back either, but using these tools is like going to college - the more effort you put into them, the better job you're going to get once you figure everything out.

[jetsetter883]

Originally Posted by pabrigowar

One reason I'm still skeptical about replacing my manual methods with these auto-submitters, is that I know that at some point, google is gonna put a clamp on these programs... plus doesnt google notice that you're pumping too much backlinks in the net? beyond a humanly possible amount? i think these programs are making marketers, newbies or pros, abuse the system. And that can result in low quality backlinks, natural posts, etc...

I am using a modified version just to give a bit of assistance, but at the end of the day, i have to be careful of what I'm putting out there.. cuz google is always on the hunt for bad apples...

could not have said it better myself. i have had these exact thoughts for some time and absolutely nothing has changed my mind. i believe these programs will be virtually useless more sooner than later as they easily convey an 'unnatural link building pattern'. now, is it theoretically posible for a human to leave 500 blog comments or create 250 forum profiles in a day? of course, but no human will, and once google's algo is fine-tuned enough to catch this, these programs will largely be rendered useless or at best not very effective.

[jetsetter883]

Originally Posted by bluetechseo

In my opinion I think Senuke has its place in SEO, yes you get lower quality back links but as mentioned in this thread its important to have a good spread of back links as this looks more natural.

link diversity is good, but 1,500 cheap links still looks unnatural.

[tonnele]

Unless you are making a ton of money from them software with monthly subscriptions are the worse!

[AussieIan]

I've got to agree with most here. I have found the best system is manual but not many of us have the time to spend building backlinks.

I found that a good VA is worth their weight in gold for building backlinks - social bookmarking, video, audio and powerpoint submissions etc. The key with a VA is you have to train them. Don't just say "go and build me some backlinks" because it wont happen!

I would prefer my VA building links manually after some good training and help over an automated system anyday and theres not a lot of difference per month!

Having said that, over the lasy couple of months I have incorporated "The Best Spinner" and Social Monkee (no aff links here) with really good success. A brand new site (extensive keyword research) was indexed and on page 1 position 6 for main keyword in 2 weeks with nothing but links from Social Monkee.

Hope this helps someone

[dodly]

all is spammer

[StevenJones]

Originally Posted by dodly

all is spammer

You just summarized your persona in 3 words.

[StevenJones]

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

In short, diversify your backlinking profile.

I couldn't agree more, this is exactly what I tell everyone.

[TopBackBuilder]

You guys are missing the point, he wasn't necessarily saying these programs didn't work, he's saying where is the proof? Where are the case studies? Where are the people saying "I went from position A to position B in google using only this software."

In reality, if senuke x worked like it's supposed to, it should be able to be your only method of backlinking. Web 2.0, forum profiles, articles, press releases, etc. That should be MORE than enough to rank you to the first page of google, but where's the proof that it IS?

[StevenJones]

There are more than enough case studies availabe that this works. Just go to your friend Google and search.

[TopBackBuilder]

Originally Posted by StevenJones

There are more than enough case studies availabe that this works. Just go to your friend Google and search.

Of course I've used my "ol friend google and searched."

You hear tons of, "I've seen some great ranking improvement." However, no actual results to show, followed by an affiliate link....

[Kael41]

If you want honest to goodness reflections of tool usage, and whether a,b,c is getting you to rank better, go hang out in the other forums that discuss these tools in length. Trust me, there's no shortage of complaints, gripes or "wow, i shot up 10 rankings over night!"

[Michael Coudriet]

They are all just tools. All all comes down to strategy. Strategies can be executed either manually or automated. So, how good is your strategy?

[Rukshan]

Originally Posted by Michael Coudriet

They are all just tools. All all comes down to strategy. Strategies can be executed either manually or automated. So, how good is your strategy?

Agreed! These are machines. We need to design SEO strategies to get best result. At this moment Diversity, Variation of anchors and unique content play a big role.

[jinx1221]

Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder

In reality, if senuke x worked like it's supposed to, it should be able to be your only method of backlinking. Web 2.0, forum profiles, articles, press releases, etc. That should be MORE than enough to rank you to the first page of google, but where's the proof that it IS?

It's hard to provide 'proof' when so many other variables come into play, like domain age, rank before using these tools, onpage/onsite seo, etc, etc, etc. And in reality, senuke and every other automation software does work like they're supposed to.. that is, it performs it's functions like a tool does. One doesn't say "Well, this drill I bought should build my cabinets like it's supposed to". No, it makes it easier to drill the screws necessary for you to build the cabinets like you're supposed to.

I would like to add that I absolutely hate when these software's homepages flaunt and promise "First Page Rankings!!!" and "#1 in Google Guaranteed!!!".. that's a bunch of marketing bulls*** that I think does a disservice to both new customers and seasoned seo'ers, who can smell this kind of crap a mile away. They would do much better to train and inform us. But thats my humble opinion

[Rajinder]

I use senuke x.
We just know the way to efficiently use this software.It can do a miracle.
Thanks,
ricky