Can high volume profile links hurt google listings?

[davyboy70]

Recently I have been adding 2,000 profile links per day to different keywords for different pages on my site. I was on page one of Google for several keywords but all have vanished. Its been four days now so I am getting really concerned. The only thing different I have been doing is the high number of profile links so I can't think of anything else. Could this be the cause?

[RichardF]

Short answer: yes

[bigorange]

hi Davy- yes it could be the reason. Its an awful lot of links on a daily basis- thus it doesn't look natural. It could have been picked up yes- hope not, best of luck

[Jason Perez O'Connor]

Doubt you've been flagged. When you do profile links in volume, huge amounts don't ever get seen, another amount gets discounted, and only a small portion count as backlinks.

This is why people do them in volume, because without it, they have no strength.

Check whether you are still indexed in google, or not.

If you are, then your site is just doing something called the "Google Dance".

[Jason Perez O'Connor]

Just keep doing it now you've started.

[hybridmoment1904]

Everytime I blast profile backlins to my site, my site starts doing the shuffle and sometimes it takes weeks for the site to get back to normal.

[James Sides]

This is a question that comes up again and again.

You CAN'T hurt your site by over linking to it. You can devalue the links you are getting. If you could hurt your site by linking too much all I'd have to do to knock my competition off is go pay to have 10,000 xrumer links shot to their site every day.

Google is smart enough to know that anything your competitor can imitate to hurt you can't be counted against you. The flip side is if you get tons of links like this (especially to a newer domain) chances are Google isn't putting any weight on them at all so your wasting your time.

The key to good SEO is consistancy. Think of it like a marathon not a sprint.

Took me a long time to figure that out but once I did I started seeing dozens of #1 rankings on Google.

If your site has disappeared you may be in the "google sandbox" as well. Just keep building natural looking links and you should pop back up in a few weeks.

Cheers,

James

[lucky777]

Not at all.

No off-page SEO can hurt a website's rankings.

[cooler1]

Originally Posted by lucky777

Not at all.

Originally Posted by lucky777

No off-page SEO can hurt a website's rankings.

Is it just a coincidence then that people who make these blasts often report that their site is ranked no near as well it was before the blast?

[Marhelper]

Slow down and see what happens. don't take anyone's word for it but use trial and error.

[davyboy70]

Thanks for all the replies, its appreciated. Doesn't look like its been sandboxed as when I type my Company name its number one in Google. But its strange as my keywords haven't went down a few pages they have disapeared completely usually they go away for a day then appear at a new position. Thanks again, I'll keep you posted :-)

[lucky777]

Originally Posted by cooler1

Is it just a coincidence then that people who make these blasts often report that their site is ranked no near as well it was before the blast?

Yes, I would think so. You can't bury a website by blasting 1000's of links at it.

If you could then you could blast your competition off page 1 and do no backlinking and take over the first page.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by cooler1

Is it just a coincidence then that people who make these blasts often report that their site is ranked no near as well it was before the blast?

They sometimes report that temporarily - "Google dance" as people call it. From which they bounce back (typically higher).

The logic of James's post above (#7) and Lucky's posts is absolutely inescapable.

These things are urban myths of internet marketing. They don't stand up to examination, and they can't, for the entirely coherent, logical reasons offered above.

Don't you think there'd be people selling this as a service in "black - hat forums" if you could disable your competitors' sites just by paying someone $5 on Fiverr to throw 10,000 spammy profile backlinks at someone's site as an Xrumer service?

You're welcome to add 2,000 links per day to any of my sites.

[cooler1]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

They sometimes report that temporarily - "Google dance" as people call it. From which they bounce back (typically higher).

The logic of James's post above (#7) and Lucky's posts is absolutely inescapable.

These things are urban myths of internet marketing. They don't stand up to examination, and they can't, for the entirely coherent, logical reasons offered above.

Don't you think there'd be people selling this as a service in "black - hat forums" if you could disable your competitors' sites just by paying someone $5 on Fiverr to throw 10,000 spammy profile backlinks at someone's site as an Xrumer service?

You're welcome to add 2,000 links per day to any of my sites.

Google themselves said there is almost nothing anyone can do to affect their competitors sites so they admit that something can be done but they don't mention what that is because then a lot of people would start doing it to their competitors.

It does seem outlandish that someone could order a cheap profile link blast to harm their competitors but ive heard from people on this very forum such as Tigerwar who have years of experience with SEO who have seen negative long term effects of doing mass link building to new sites so the whole thing is confusing.

[retsek]

Instead pointing 2,000 at your site. Find the first 50 that are on PR6 sites and above and have them point to your site alone. Then point the next 500 to those 50. Then point 1500 at those 500.

[playtone]

Originally Posted by Fenderkid

This is a question that comes up again and again.

You CAN'T hurt your site by over linking to it. You can devalue the links you are getting. If you could hurt your site by linking too much all I'd have to do to knock my competition off is go pay to have 10,000 xrumer links shot to their site every day.

Google is smart enough to know that anything your competitor can imitate to hurt you can't be counted against you. The flip side is if you get tons of links like this (especially to a newer domain) chances are Google isn't putting any weight on them at all so your wasting your time.

The key to good SEO is consistancy. Think of it like a marathon not a sprint.

Took me a long time to figure that out but once I did I started seeing dozens of #1 rankings on Google.

If your site has disappeared you may be in the "google sandbox" as well. Just keep building natural looking links and you should pop back up in a few weeks.

Cheers,

James

Mate that was a great answer. I was asking myself today what if my competition did that to me. Thanks for the post and tips!

[Chris Kent]

Originally Posted by Fenderkid

This is a question that comes up again and again.

You CAN'T hurt your site by over linking to it.

And again and again, people think it's not possible but it is. There is another forum whose name I won't mention where it is well known that doing a huge volume xrumer blast can kill a site.

The argument that "if it was true I could do it on my competition" is a false one. Just because people can't rationalise it doesn't mean that it's not possible.

Check out the SEO section here, there's a guy who recently got deindexed from Google for it.

It CAN happen and it DOES happen. Some people are in denial.

[cooler1]

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

And again and again, people think it's not possible but it is. There is another forum whose name I won't mention where it is well known that doing a huge volume xrumer blast can kill a site.

The argument that "if it was true I could do it on my competition" is a false one. Just because people can't rationalise it doesn't mean that it's not possible.

Check out the SEO section here, there's a guy who recently got deindexed from Google for it.

It CAN happen and it DOES happen. Some people are in denial.

Are Google giving out wrong information then? They said there is almost nothing anyone can do to effect their competitors site.

It sounds like they are implying that whatever can be done to effect your competitor is a lot harder than just doing a huge volume xrumer blast.

[Oranges]

2000 profile links a day? WOW! How many of them are indexed or Cached?
Usually 100-150 PR4+ profile links are good enough for creating base setup and link diversity and then you can nourish it with other types of links. But seriously 2000 profiles a day is like playing with fire.

[JamesGw]

Not a chance. They might not count for much for some time, but they certainly won't hurt your rankings.

[Chris Kent]

Originally Posted by cooler1

Are Google giving out wrong information then? They said there is almost nothing anyone can do to effect their competitors site.

It sounds like they are implying that whatever can be done to effect your competitor is a lot harder than just doing a huge volume xrumer blast.

lol, since when are Google straight with us??!! Come on man, people read the lips of Matt Cutts of Google the same way they read the lips of Alan Greenspan!

[Mr Lim]

Yup, scrapebox and xrumer is one of the best tool to get your site down in no time.

[richfit]

yea you don't want to just crush out profile links, you need better quality links that just profile links to get rankings and to stay around.

Best,
Bryan Dulaney

[MikeFriedman]

Sorry, but I've tested this over and over. You can't hurt your site by blasting links at it. You may cause it to temporarily drop in rankings, but I have never had a site that didn't come back. They always came back at a higher position.

I think consistency is more important than quantity. If it is 2000 a day, keep doing it. If it is 20 a day, keep doing that.

[davyboy70]

Again thanks for all the replys. I'm freaking out right now, there is still no sign of the keywords. Usually the "google dance" takes 1-2 days. Has anyone had any experience of their keywords disapearing for over a week then coming back fine?

[luvtrees]

The fact is, unless they work for Google, nobody can say they know for sure. People are just making assumptions based on their own experience.

[indojobsearch]

yes...about 3 months ago i bought profile backlink and afther that my site ranking drop down...Yes..I now regret..But it has alreadfy done..I take it as a good experience for the future..

[smartseoservices]

Originally Posted by davyboy70

Recently I have been adding 2,000 profile links per day to different keywords for different pages on my site. I was on page one of Google for several keywords but all have vanished. Its been four days now so I am getting really concerned. The only thing different I have been doing is the high number of profile links so I can't think of anything else. Could this be the cause?

yes it is possible, but this is not true that profile creation for site is harmful, it should be done in white hat tricks not black hat, you must have created profiles using software which cause spam. I also do link building for my client but its only 200 per day and 100% manual and all sites are getting rank.

[smartseoservices]

Originally Posted by davyboy70

Recently I have been adding 2,000 profile links per day to different keywords for different pages on my site. I was on page one of Google for several keywords but all have vanished. Its been four days now so I am getting really concerned. The only thing different I have been doing is the high number of profile links so I can't think of anything else. Could this be the cause?

Solution may be

1. dont create high volume of profile for site
2. create maximum 200 profile a day
2. dont use any software for profile creation

[addyj672]

You had done too many links in few days period. Yes this case what happened with your keywords. Even i had a project and i do the profile linking of 500 within 3 days. The result was i totally lose keyword position....

[vikasrawat]

I think that will help your website if you have created them in a very short period of time.

[gittar1122]

When you build a large no. of backlinks to your site then your site rankings may move up and down with a larger gaps (google dance). But creating large number of backlinks can hurt your site and I think this is what happened with your site.

Thanks

[dburk]

Originally Posted by cooler1

Google themselves said there is almost nothing anyone can do to affect their competitors sites so they admit that something can be done but they don't mention what that is because then a lot of people would start doing it to their competitors.

It does seem outlandish that someone could order a cheap profile link blast to harm their competitors but ive heard from people on this very forum such as Tigerwar who have years of experience with SEO who have seen negative long term effects of doing mass link building to new sites so the whole thing is confusing.

Hi cooler1,

I believe the "almost nothing" is added to allow for the cases of hacking websites and placing content, scripts or viruses on a competitors website.

I believe the "negative long term effects of doing mass link building" you are referring to is simply the process of web spam being devalued by search engines. Mass web spamming doesn't last very long and if you website relies entirely on web spam, that would be a problem. However, a few good backlinks will resolve that problem in short order.

[simonbuzz]

getting too much links in a short period of time...will lead you to google sandbox..

[dburk]

Originally Posted by simonbuzz

getting too much links in a short period of time...will lead you to google sandbox..

I disagree, I have never seen a website get penalized for going viral.

[jacked]

If they were indeed profiles. No. Profiles are extremely slow indexing and take a lot of time to be found by search engines. From those 2k links, I doubt more than 20 will be indexed.

[deanmoney]

I plan to use profile links but only to my homepage. I feel it looks more natural for a profile to be pointing to a homepage than to an inner page. I think using blog comments, contextual links, and bookmarks for inner pages might work best in the long term.

[Kevin_Hutto]

Originally Posted by cooler1

Google themselves said there is almost nothing anyone can do to affect their competitors sites so they admit that something can be done but they don't mention what that is because then a lot of people would start doing it to their competitors.

It does seem outlandish that someone could order a cheap profile link blast to harm their competitors but ive heard from people on this very forum such as Tigerwar who have years of experience with SEO who have seen negative long term effects of doing mass link building to new sites so the whole thing is confusing.

I'll tell you what you CAN do to hurt a competitor's rankings... Hack their WP and change their htaccess file to display a malicious warez site when someone clicks on the google ranking... That WILL hurt their ranking and it can get them deindexed.

[Backlinksboy]

yes, huge number of high pr profile sites would hurt the rankings, sometimes the site would be sandboxed, it has happened many times.

the only way to come back in google searches is to remove the links which you have added to the profile sites asap, then you can see your site come back in google rankings, do it soon

[Justin Stowe]

Another argument for the "it cant hurt your website" side is this:

Do you think Google wants to kill viral websites?

Drudge Report, icanhascheezeburger, damnyouautocorrect- these types of sites exploded because they get TONS of backlinks really fast.

Google does NOT want to kill a viral site- that's a great way to get a bad reputation.

If blasting your site with a bunch of links kills your rankings, its because when Google did the dance it's saying "Gee, I guess that site shouldn't have been ranked there after all".

It would have happened eventually anyways, you just made it happen sooner :-)

[Mike Anthony]

ATTENTION! SEO UPDATE!

The information in this thread is OUTDATED and no longer valid. Google has now indicated that you may get a notice for links pointing to your site AND will have to ask for a reconsideration

Google Sending Notifications Of Unnatural Links Pointing To Your Site

and there have been profile etc linkers hit

Warning from Google Webmaster Tools on Artificial Links

My Site was Manually Flagged By Spam Team

No matter what your rationalization is for claiming you cannot be hurt by incoming links Google has now indicated that they don't care and you CAN be.

[kirstie]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The information in this thread is OUTDATED and no longer valid. Google has now indicated that you may get a notice for links pointing to your site AND will have to ask for a reconsideration

Well I wouldn't say its no longer valid.

The link to another guy on warriorforum said he got a notice, but that he hasn't seen any changes at all in his rankings.

The other link to the guy in backlinksforum doesn't give nearly enough information to go on. How much did he link? What was his ratio of "good" backlinks vs forum links? What was the link velocity, did he keep up with it or was it one big splash?

It all sounds FUD to me, google targets a SEO guy ranking #3 on SEO terms (no -- he didn't have a bullseye on the back of his head, did he?)

Meanwhile, the guy doing the massive SB blasting of a brand new website (google "massive direct scrapebox blast on new website", sorry I can't link out yet) hasn't reported anything different ... no notices, no losing ranks, etc.

It leaves you with the questions ...

1) Maybe this is what google always did when its about to sandbox a website for too many backlinks in a short period of time with no velocity ... except maybe they're kind enough to give a notice about it now. Aww that's nice of Google?

2) Maybe their link profile was ONLY from xrumer or SB. Perhaps Google can algorithmically single out a website when that is the case and that is what triggers the red flag. Perhaps websites that have a good backlink profile would never get the notice from Google, even with the same amount of spammy backlinks that the above websites got.

3) Maybe because the guys above were ranking on page #1 for SEO related terms, many jealous SEO guys reported them ... resulting in a manual inspection of their backlinks and a manual smackdown.

It is NOT black and white. It is NOT "spammy backlinks can hurt any site", obviously -- who is going to take down amazon by spamming them with links? There are hundreds of factors google judges a website by, some of which include ...

-- Link velocity (most important of all)
-- Age of website
-- Balance of backlinks in profile
-- Authority the domain has accumulated

And many other factors.

In fact, the guy on warriorforum said point blank he didn't do any linking at all, so how could anyone associate forum and blog comment backlinks with a guy who said he got a penalty notice who didn't even spam links to forums or blogs?

At most, the notice from Google is a curiosity and something to take into consideration ... but to throw out all backlinking from forums and blog comments over it is rather chicken-littlish.

[mazdak]

It all comes down to if your profile links got indexed or not.

[nicnac03]

High volume links can cause your website to be sandboxed by google. This can last anywhere from a few weeks to a few months in my experience.

[liveindiantvchannels]

Profile link increase the ranking but you are going too fast .Implement other methods of link building also to get ranked

[campers]

The key point when your rankings drop off after a profile link blast is to keep consistently building links while your site is doing the dance, and eventually it will come back. If you stop building links then because you're worried that you hurting your sites rankings then it's more likely it will no recover it's original rankings

[barbrine]

Maybe your site can not get enough authority weight by just posting those profile links, if you want your site ranking more stable, you must have a certain amount of quality and related backlinks.

[dagaul101]

It could certainly be, Google is all about natural progression, 2,000 per day everyday could trigger alarm bells

[addyj672]

Originally Posted by davyboy70

Recently I have been adding 2,000 profile links per day to different keywords for different pages on my site. I was on page one of Google for several keywords but all have vanished. Its been four days now so I am getting really concerned. The only thing different I have been doing is the high number of profile links so I can't think of anything else. Could this be the cause?

2000 links per day, too much profiles links in one day. I hope search engine don't put your website in sandbox. As you have done to many links in one day. It can be result in sandbox, to avoid sandbox do natural link building means keep it slow but regular....

[raven2424]

if the links were spread across different pages of your website you should be ok and see results in a months time. if you could get "hurt" from blasting to many links then people would just do it to competition