"backlinks" take another big hit AGAIN. Time to give up weak services as a major ranking factor

[Jack Chase]

Originally Posted by presidentleaf

I've been reading your threads and they've always been very heated and exciting. Who needs Jersey Shore? Thanks for sharing your opinions/insights and I look forward to your future threads.

Haha! I love threads like this with a good debate - there is so much to learn from them!

[HQJonz]

I'm not sure there was much to learn out of the one. Though, yes, entertaining.

[mrozlat]

my favorite type of backlinks are automated... google spiders are automated so why can;t my links be?

[Focused Action]

Originally Posted by mmsearch

Recommendation: Switch almost all your activities to getting contextual backlinks (which usually means link within the content/post of a page but also can be slightly extended to links after content such as blog comments and articles etc)

Soooo.... How/where do we go about getting getting these types of links?

I would also like to know the best way to get these types of links on high PR pages (vs. high PR sites). I think many of us get confused when we realize that we are building links on high PR web properties, but we are actually building tons of links on PR0 sites.

Do services such as "Build My Rank" provide high pr contextual links?

Look forward to some guidance.

[dcrdomains]

Link services or software that blast hundreds or thousands of profile backlinks (such as forum profiles etc) are of very limited value and most of the times are not worth the money and will be worth even less as a long term investment

I agree, forum profiles aren't worth squat.

[4webmaster]

I recently order here and elsewhere package of xrummer, forum profile, pyramid stuff from top warriors showing great testimonies, proofs.... Just salesletter that make you cash out on for SEO benefits, you see what I'm talking about (plenty on WSO...)
Well here is my honest review.
My site got from pagerank 7 to 12 (no benefits but worse)
Now I don't think I can remove these forum profile and will be hard to gain in ranking.
Spend my money $100+ for getting worse page ranking!
Please newbies and even expert don't cash your money on these, learn more from other real SEO guys, forum profiles will hurt your ranking, read what Google said.
I don't want to discredit Warrior here that sell these but being honest can help other.
Some proofs or testimonials could be real but months before the Panda update. Show proof of after panda update then will see if it really work!

I just test some Warrior screenshot proof here and surprise the picture showing their site on top of Goog with keyword is no more what you see when typing on google now. So be aware when you see title like: boost your ranking, on top of google, 500+ testimonials.........

What work is comment/url post on same topic of your website, that looks natural but these site must be real site with PR not just here to farm link profits.

So forum profile backlinks, comments/url on not same topic pages.... the big NO! NO! NO!

I don't claim to be an SEO expert but just this post can make me like an SEO expert
I might be wrong but prove it!

[hikerguy777]

My opinion...posted this on another thread too.

Forum links are not dead...if they come from relevant, thriving forums that are in your niche category. Of course, you have to do the other stuff mentioned on this thread too.

IM is a business, which means getting to know your market and meeting some of their needs. What better way to introduce your services than on forums and blogs that closely match your niche? Have a good site with good content, then link to it. You'll do well.

[4webmaster]

Originally Posted by hikerguy777

My opinion...posted this on another thread too.

Forum links are not dead...if they come from relevant, thriving forums that are in your niche category. Of course, you have to do the other stuff mentioned on this thread too.

IM is a business, which means getting to know your market and meeting some of their needs. What better way to introduce your services than on forums and blogs that closely match your niche? Have a good site with good content, then link to it. You'll do well.

Never say that forum links are dead, it's even recommended when it's on revelant to your niche but what is dead and even harmful is forum profile.

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Really have to head out now. Have a good night.

What ever happened to the thread where you were going to try and sandbox a new website.

[JamesGw]

There are a lot of logical fallacies in the OP. It should be well-noted that profile backlinks are still useful for ranking for any keyword. Note that I said useful. It'll be much harder to rank for a particular keyword without profile-type links, just as it'd be much harder to rank for a particular keyword without contextual, high PR links. Every link is important.

[4webmaster]

Originally Posted by JamesGw

There are a lot of logical fallacies in the OP. It should be well-noted that profile backlinks are still useful for ranking for any keyword. Note that I said useful. It'll be much harder to rank for a particular keyword without profile-type links, just as it'd be much harder to rank for a particular keyword without contextual, high PR links. Every link is important.

Here come again, useful to decrease ranking or high ranking?
Submit proof, blah blah blah is ok but we need proof.

[JackPowers]

What's the point of this post Mike?

Don't hate, duplicate!

I also agree that x-rumer links value is declining.

[JamesGw]

Originally Posted by 4webmaster

Here come again, useful to decrease ranking or high ranking?
Submit proof, blah blah blah is ok but we need proof.

I've ordered blasts on several sites and have seen increases across the board. I'm not talking about going from page 8 to 2 or anything either. I've blasted sites from #9 on page 1 to #2, and they've stayed there consistently.

It takes a couple months for your links to mature, but I've seen direct benefit from them consistently enough to know that they work. Any massive on or off-site change will affect the way your site ranks. Large quantities of links will normally make your site drop off momentarily and then recover, whereas high PR links seem to have no negative effect early and then a positive one late.

That said, I've seen both types of links make a site jump around in the rankings.

[Mike Anthony]

You are kidding right? Shouldn't you at least look up what a logical fallacy is before using the term?

As for It'll be much harder to rank for a particular keyword without profile-type links? Wrong. There are many niches where you would be better off not bothering with profile links at all. As for real logical fallacies one is constructing a straw man. The op states point blank

Now obviously someone has to rank for those terms and links of that kind will always have some effect but if you haven't been watching

So yeah links have an impact but low quality links shouldn't play a major part in any serp where there is solid competition. Frankly the greatest strength of profile links aren't even in ranking a site directly but pumping up a secondary site that links to your money site.

Originally Posted by JamesGw

There are a lot of logical fallacies in the OP. It should be well-noted that profile backlinks are still useful for ranking for any keyword. Note that I said useful. It'll be much harder to rank for a particular keyword without profile-type links, just as it'd be much harder to rank for a particular keyword without contextual, high PR links. Every link is important.

[jhonsean]

paid links services are lack of quality links and i would suggest to do manual link building to build backlinks to your site.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by JackPowers

What's the point of this post Mike?

Don't hate, duplicate!

I also agree that x-rumer links value is declining.

Ay mate but that is the point, Duplicate. Look at the serp in the OP. if even sites looking to rank for the term backlink which historically was used to sell profile links are now using aged in context links with real Pr then what should you be duplicating?

We are on page 2 and no one has addressed that serp. hate what is weak and love what is strong bro .

Originally Posted by JamesGw

I've ordered blasts on several sites and have seen increases across the board. I'm not talking about going from page 8 to 2 or anything either. I've blasted sites from #9 on page 1 to #2, and they've stayed there consistently.


It takes a couple months for your links to mature, but I've seen direct benefit from them consistently enough to know that they work. .

They work for weak serps - long tail etc - but not by themselves for any good competition. I examine hundreds of serps as I analyze competition month after months for clients and myself. If I ever see a site ranking number one for anything with just profile links it has always been terribly weak competition and a sure sign that I can easily rank on that term. However they also turn out to be terms that don't bring much traffic either.

paid links services are lack of quality links and i would suggest to do manual link building to build backlinks to your site.

Should be true but it isn't because in most cases there is no way to determine (outside of link farms and obvious cases) what link is a paid link.

[iAmNameLess]

I think we have had disagreements in the past, but I have to agree with you here.... I always believed profile links were low quality, and definitely not beneficial in regards to actual traffic. Lately though, they have miniscule effect in my opinion, worse than they used to.

[jacked]

Originally Posted by noble

I disagree. The best strategy is to have DIVERSE links. Profile links, articles, blog posts, blog comments, web 2.0 properties, sitewide links for other sites, etc. I would have to say that being diverse and appearing natural is always the best strategy.

Exactly. I use almost exclusively automated links for all my sites and am still doing great even with all these Google Updates.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by jacked

Exactly. I use almost exclusively automated links for all my sites and am still doing great even with all these Google Updates.

So what happened to the site in your URL? it isn't even showing in the serps (except at 117 in Bing) for the term backlink that your page is targeting.