Confused : A backlink on a no-follow PR5 page or a backlink on a PR1 do-follow which is best ?

[jimkirk1943]

Hi guys,

Just a quick question about something which i do not understand,

Which is going to give a site more of a boost a backlink from a page with a PR5 (actual page PR) but is no follow or

A backlink from a actual PR1 page but is do-follow ?

I really dont get this ok i hear that even no-follow is important to have as part of the over all backlinking profile but its NO-follow right meaning it does`nt pass on page rank so even if the actual page is PR5 none of the juice from a high PR page is passed on so how good can it be ?

But a link on a actual PR1 do-follow gets a fair amount of juice passed on right ?

What is the big deal about a high PR link coming from a no-follow page is it actually any better than a PR1 link from a do-follow link ?

The reason i started to ask this question is that i have started a monthly subscription for a quite expensive membership where you get 1000`s of high PR blogs to comment on every month.

The service is great you get some fantastic PR blogs in a nice dashboard and i`ve been commenting away really spending time to give fantastic comments as these are PR5/4 even PR6 blogs i`ve got plenty to stick and in yahoo ex they are showing nicely loads of PR4 blog comments indexed but i really haven`t seen much SERPs movement and i notice they are nearly all no-follow blogs.

I just wondered if i am wasting my time as its really taking ages to write these comments like all day ! I have outsorced all the PR2 blogs to my VA and he really leaves great comments for a guy whos not native English but i dont feel they are good enough for the really high PR comments as they do look slightly spammy i guess but still he really does a top job for the money.

Anyway am i wasting my time or what with no-follow comments ?

Jim

[jhonsean]

I think it is just a simple link and in terms of backlinks sometimes a pr 0 site keyword can be higher in rankings to a pr 5 site that have the same keyword in rankings.

[dvduval]

Keep in mind that google uses traffic data more these days, so also thing about:
1. The traffic on the page where you are placing the link
2. The chances that someone would click on that link

[jimkirk1943]

Dont really understand the replys the basic question is how much juice/rank increase ect ect does a PR5 no-follow link give say in comparision to a PR1 do follow backlink and is it worth my time spending all day commenting super high quality comments on high PR blogs ?

[claynekeegan]

Use any method you read about to find backlinks from low to high. So if you only want to focus on high PR backlinks, that is fine.

But also remember that Google looks for what is natural, so you may want to purposely include PR backlinks from low to high.

[DireStraits]

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

Dont really understand the replys the basic question is how much juice/rank increase ect ect does a PR5 no-follow link give say in comparision to a PR1 do follow backlink and is it worth my time spending all day commenting super high quality comments on high PR blogs ?

I think most people will struggle to give you a direct, authoritative answer.

Google (or, more specifically, Google's Matt Cutts) alleges that nofollow backlinks are "dropped from their link-graph of the web" and do not pass PageRank.

I do feel that the latter is true - they don't seem to pass PageRank from what I've seen - but PageRank is not the be and all end all of backlinks, of course, and I'm unconvinced that they confer no value at all ... even if it's limited to just making your backlink portfolio appear more natural.

As such, I will still drop a backlink that will be nofollow (in fact, I rarely even bother to check).

But generally, yes: PR is a measure of "link-strength", and the higher the better, but context-relevance counts for something, too.

If you're doing blog commenting, though, you're not going to know whether the backlink is nofollow or otherwise until you've checked out existing comments or, in some cases, left a comment yourself. So why not just drop those links anyway, and see where it gets you?

[noble]

I actually did a test and I can say definitively that NoFollow links will help improve your placement on search engines. Are they worth less? I would assume so. However it is just one of many factors. Don't know about the PR passing but if you don't believe me build a site from scratch and build nothing but nofollows for a month or two and see what happens.

[yukon]

It takes 5 seconds to post a backlink, take both.

[JustaWizard]

In the time you spent asking the question and reading the replies here, you could have gotten both of those links. Your best backlinking plan starts with getting links from relevant/related, high-quality trusted sites, then getting all the other "lower quality" links. And speaking as a professional SEO (yes, it's my day job) don't think or worry about no-follow for even one second.

Hope that helps!
David

[StoneWilson]

PR1 dofollow website is more beneficial than PR5 nofollow in PageRank juice passing.
But basically, PR5 websites usually get more traffic than PR1 websites, if you left backlink in PR5 website, you might get more traffic. In a word, dofollow backlinks mainly for getting PageRank juice, nofollow backlinks are for getting traffic.

[nicktyler]

at the end of the day a link is a link. Just it may be worth more of your time to get do-follow and high PR links. Just don't get caught up in any bad neighbourhoods.

[JuliaRobin]

Well, we take nofollow links only for making our site's back links natural, as Google would also check if you have built natural link building.

[Mike Anthony]

Creepers guys. How about reading the OP before commenting? The OP is shelling out cash on a monthly basis . employing a lot of time on comments and even hiring VAs. He's not asking about two link opportunities but many on a monthly basis that he's paying in time and dollars to place.

The answer is pretty obvious unless you are a Google conspiracy buff. The Pr 1 page that is followed is worth more than the PR5 page that is nofollowed.

jimkirk1943 there will no doubt be as there are in every conversation about nofollow some posters claiming the nofollow page will be useful to rank but ask yourself what is the rational reason why Google will create the nofollow tag and then not use it? they do use it as advertised. People claiming they put only nofollow links on their site and the site raised in rankings are just lost and don't realize other things can make your site naturally rise.

adding content
getting backlinks they are unaware of
their site being indexed more fully
really weak competitors
their domain aging
other sites in the niche being deindexed or being penalized.

Might their be some exclusions like Wikipedia? Don't know but as a general rule nofollow links for the purposes of ranking are not valuable in ranking to be hiring VAs, spending time doing long comments and paying an expensive monthly amount to get lists of.

and you know thats true in your case because you are not seeing movement. I guarantee you if you were getting the juice from a bunch of PR 5 followed links you would have seen SIGNIFICANT movement

[DireStraits]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Creepers guys. How about reading the OP before commenting? The OP is shelling out cash on a monthly basis . employing a lot of time on comments and even hiring VAs. He's not asking about two link opportunities but many on a monthly basis that he's paying in time and dollars to place.

The answer is pretty obvious unless you are a Google conspiracy buff. The Pr 1 page that is followed is worth more than the PR5 page that is nofollowed.

jimkirk1943 there will no doubt be as there are in every conversation about nofollow some posters claiming the nofollow page will be useful to rank but ask yourself what is the rational reason why Google will create the nofollow tag and then not use it? they do use it as advertised. People claiming they put only nofollow links on their site and the site raised in rankings are just lost and don't realize other things can make your site naturally rise.

adding content
getting backlinks they are unaware of
their site being indexed more fully
really weak competitors
their domain aging
other sites in the niche being deindexed or being penalized.

Might their be some exclusions like Wikipedia? Don't know but as a general rule nofollow links for the purposes of ranking are not valuable in ranking to be hiring VAs, spending time doing long comments and paying an expensive monthly amount to get lists of.

and you know thats true in your case because you are not seeing movement. I guarantee you if you were getting the juice from a bunch of PR 5 followed links you would have seen SIGNIFICANT movement

What I was personally referring to was the concept of Google possibly expecting to see a certain number/proportion of nofollowed backlinks in a site's backlinking portfolio in order to deem it natural-looking.

So many links are nofollowed these days that it's unlikely a site is ever going to be "lucky" enough to acquire all (or mostly) non-nofollowed backlinks.

Either way, placing backlinks isn't usually the time-consuming element of the process; finding dofollow backlinking opportunities with a reasonable PR is what takes the the most time. I respect what you're saying, but I'm not sure telling his VA/outsourcees entirely to skip nofollowed backlinks is really going to save him a whole lot of money if they're charging by the hour, or whatever.

[snovakor]

I think that you don't to Bother to much with that. You must find all of kind Links. Sometimes is more better if you take somebody on Fiverr and buy some Backlinks...it's faster.

But in regular is good if you use your Comments for every Backlinks you'll find out there.

[bijaya]

In my experience ..... I found that PR1 dofollow link is better, but still we need both DF & NF links so that it'll look natural for Google & other search engines.

[jimkirk1943]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Creepers guys. How about reading the OP before commenting? The OP is shelling out cash on a monthly basis . employing a lot of time on comments and even hiring VAs. He's not asking about two link opportunities but many on a monthly basis that he's paying in time and dollars to place.

The answer is pretty obvious unless you are a Google conspiracy buff. The Pr 1 page that is followed is worth more than the PR5 page that is nofollowed.

jimkirk1943 there will no doubt be as there are in every conversation about nofollow some posters claiming the nofollow page will be useful to rank but ask yourself what is the rational reason why Google will create the nofollow tag and then not use it? they do use it as advertised. People claiming they put only nofollow links on their site and the site raised in rankings are just lost and don't realize other things can make your site naturally rise.

adding content
getting backlinks they are unaware of
their site being indexed more fully
really weak competitors
their domain aging
other sites in the niche being deindexed or being penalized.

Might their be some exclusions like Wikipedia? Don't know but as a general rule nofollow links for the purposes of ranking are not valuable in ranking to be hiring VAs, spending time doing long comments and paying an expensive monthly amount to get lists of.

and you know thats true in your case because you are not seeing movement. I guarantee you if you were getting the juice from a bunch of PR 5 followed links you would have seen SIGNIFICANT movement

Thank you very much for this reply !

[WealthWithin]

Originally Posted by DireStraits

What I was personally referring to was the concept of Google possibly expecting to see a certain number/proportion of nofollowed backlinks in a site's backlinking portfolio in order to deem it natural-looking.

So many links are nofollowed these days that it's unlikely a site is ever going to be "lucky" enough to acquire all (or mostly) non-nofollowed backlinks.

Either way, placing backlinks isn't usually the time-consuming element of the process; finding dofollow backlinking opportunities with a reasonable PR is what takes the the most time. I respect what you're saying, but I'm not sure telling his VA/outsourcees entirely to skip nofollowed backlinks is really going to save him a whole lot of money if they're charging by the hour, or whatever.

Only about 5% of the links on the whole web are nofollowed. You can't make your link graph 'natural' by injecting nofollow links. This is a narrow focused SEO myth.

Just because we (online marketers) see nofollow links everywhere, that doesn't mean all webmasters care about nofollows.

To answer OP's question, if you're paying to build links, only pay for dofollow links. 1 targeted link from a PR1 dofollow page is worth more than a nofollow link from a PR5 page. (Unless it's from a social authority site like facebook, where many other factors can influence rankings)

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by DireStraits

Either way, placing backlinks isn't usually the time-consuming element of the process;

DId you read the OP? He said the exact opposite. the Op is trying to do right by the blogs he comments on by actually making meaningful comments. You are assuming he just spams?

finding dofollow backlinking opportunities with a reasonable PR is what takes the the most time. I respect what you're saying, but I'm not sure telling his VA/outsourcees entirely to skip nofollowed backlinks is really going to save him a whole lot of money if they're charging by the hour, or whatever.

Come on man READ THE OP. He's paying for a list and MOST not some of the links he is getting are nofollowed. How can he not save money and time by skipping the nofollowed links especially because he has stated (Again in the Op) that he is seeing no results.

No offense you aren't the only one doing it but this thread is bizarre in that almost no one has read the OP.

Now to your point. NO. There is zero need to go place no followed links yourself to your site if ranking is your goal. Certainly not to to make it look natural. I read that alot and its just false. Why? Several reasons but one is -

Every week thousands of site go from being followed to not being followed as the webmaster reacts to spam and abuse. Links that are perfectly good now will be nofollowed next month. IF you are consistently building from a list like the OP is then it is INEVITABLE that some of those sites will become nofollowed later. Its the nature of SEO . you always lose followed link. Theres no reason to actively go out looking for nofollowed links they will find you.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

. (Unless it's from a social authority site like facebook, where many other factors can influence rankings)

Ah yes. excellent point. The new algo changes in regard to social signals IS a separate factor from the nofollow tag and does indeed give weight. With the way the web is going that will probably increase even more as a factor even though the links are nofollowed. So twitter and facebook etc can in fact play a part but nofollowed blog comments as you rightfully pointed out are not worth paying good money to get.

[jimkirk1943]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Come on man READ THE OP. He's paying for a list and MOST not some of the links he is getting are nofollowed. How can he not save money and time by skipping the nofollowed links especially because he has stated (Again in the Op) that he is seeing no results.

No offense you aren't the only one doing it but this thread is bizarre in that almost no one has read the OP.

Now to your point. NO. There is zero need to go place no followed links yourself to your site if ranking is your goal. Certainly not to to make it look natural. I read that alot and its just false. Why?

Every week thousands of site go from being followed to not being followed as the webmaster reacts to spam and abuse. Links that are perfectly good now will be nofollowed next month. IF you are consistently building from a list like the OP is then it is INEVITABLE that some of those sites will become nofollowed later. Its the nature of SEO . you always lose followed link. Theres no reason to actively go out looking for nofollowed links they will find you.

Again thanks to everybody that has replyed to my post i know you are all trying to help and advise me but as Mike has pointed out many of the answers are not relevant to my question. But after what i have read i have learned the answer i was looking for so thank you everyone and cheers Mike !

[DireStraits]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

DId you read the OP? He said the exact opposite. the Op is trying to do right by the blogs he comments on by actually making meaningful comments. You are assuming he just spams?


Come on man READ THE OP. He's paying for a list and MOST not some of the links he is getting are nofollowed. How can he not save money and time by skipping the nofollowed links especially because he has stated (Again in the Op) that he is seeing no results.

No offense you aren't the only one doing it but this thread is bizarre in that almost no one has read the OP.

Now to your point. NO. There is zero need to go place no followed links yourself to your site if ranking is your goal. Certainly not to to make it look natural. I read that alot and its just false. Why? Several reasons but one is -

Every week thousands of site go from being followed to not being followed as the webmaster reacts to spam and abuse. Links that are perfectly good now will be nofollowed next month. IF you are consistently building from a list like the OP is then it is INEVITABLE that some of those sites will become nofollowed later. Its the nature of SEO . you always lose followed link. Theres no reason to actively go out looking for nofollowed links they will find you.

Yes, I did read the OP fully (but only after making my 2nd post, admittedly ). No, I didn't assume he was spamming.

But the point still stands: if you're looking for dofollow opportunities only, you'll typically spend far more time looking for a dofollow backlinking opportunity with some decent, measurable PageRank than you will thinking of something valuable to write once you've found 'em. Blog comments aint articles.

I'm not saying that he should specifically order nofollowed links, but I assume that most VAs/outsourcees would charge by the hour, not by the number of comments they leave (unless they are more or less spamming to auto-approve blogs with automated tools and can make such "guarantees"), and as such, if I were in his position, I'd not tell them to avoid placing nofollowed links if they'd already come across an opportunity.

I know it's not hip to say this among "techy SEO'ers", but - just as Matt Cutts and others say - there can be indirect SEO benefits of leaving nofollowed links on high-PR pages which may possibly be ranking pretty well in the SERPs for numerous terms and be receiving traffic: EXPOSURE and REFERRAL TRAFFIC. Exposure can result in additional, "natural" dofollow backlinks (among other things, perhaps), providing your site is of interest to the visitor once they land there through your nofollowed backlink.

But I don't expect many "hardcore SEO'ers" to see the value or logic in that: they're only interested in technicalities to the exclusion of all else, and can, at times, be rather short-sighted.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by DireStraits

But I don't expect many "hardcore SEO'ers" to see the value or logic in that: they're only interested in technicalities to the exclusion of all else, and can, at times, be rather short-sighted.

Or they actually read the OP and give answers based on the question and the facts revealed in the OP rather than dance around the errors made because they didn't read what the OP stated.

[DireStraits]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Or they actually read the OP and give answers based on the question and the facts revealed in the OP rather than dance around the errors made because they didn't read what the OP stated.

Given that I don't know how much the OP is actually paying for the service he mentioned ("expensive" is pretty subjective, isn't it?), nor how good his VA's English skills and comments are (again, pretty subjective), nor much of anything else to be able to make an informed decision and advise definitively as to what he should or should not be doing, I simply gave him my opinion that nofollowed blogs can still be worth commenting on even if only for some indirect SEO benefits, as well as for some potentially targeted referral-traffic.

Maybe the OP should ditch the service and pay a more expensive VA (or spend significantly more of his own time) to find only non-nofollowed blogs. Maybe that'd cost him more than what he's paying now, and maybe the benefits of that would be short-lived, because a good portion of them - as you rightly suggest - may be converted to nofollow in the near future.

Without knowing all the specifics and being able to predict the future, it's impossible to tell what will give the OP the best long-term ROI, and what is a waste of time.

If you'd rather it be as cut-and-dry as "forget it - nofollow is a complete waste of time", then so be it.

I consider nofollowed backlinks valuable (not directly for SEO, necessarily), and that is why I can justify taking the time to place them.

Not everyone out there is just looking for short-term rankings. Some are actually looking to build a long-term business asset, towards which any exposure - even in the form of nofollowed links on high-traffic blogs - can contribute.

I see no harm in that.

[Moneyerr]

Dofollow PR1 links have more weightage to pass a power vote to your webpage to improve the PR than those of PR5 nofollow links but high PR sites with nofollow links have also their own importance to pass the traffic to your site. However it helps in increasing your business and dofollow links increase your PR.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by DireStraits

Without knowing all the specifics and being able to predict the future, it's impossible to tell what will give the OP the best long-term ROI, and what is a waste of time.

But not impossible to answer his question STATED IN THE OP. remember that?

Which one is best a nofollow PR5 or a PR1 followed?

All the other pontification yada yada yada is not what he was looking for (It was stated in the OP and he''s stated again it was not what he was looking for)

Not everyone out there is just looking for short-term rankings. Some are actually looking to build a long-term business asset, towards which any exposure - even in the form of nofollowed links on high-traffic blogs - can contribute.

Malarkey. Posting comments on a whole bunch of nofollow blog is a lousy way to build a long term business. This has nothing to do with being short sighted (as you claim SEO professional types such as myself are) or not everyone looking for short term rankings it has to do with which strategies are more effective. Period.

IF you want to use blog participation to build traffic and get quality links the best way is to forget about lists entirely. Find a few authority blogs on subjects that you care about and will contribute consistently on with or without comment links. Over time you use it as an introduction of yourself to the blog owner and make sure he is the kind of owner that publishes things from other people or links to them in the body of his posts without a nofollow.

I can write an article right now and and get it published or linked to from an authority blog because I developed that relationship not spammed a bunch of sites but you can be assured of one thing. It is not your strategy that you claim takes no time.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Moneyerr

but high PR sites with nofollow links have also their own importance to pass the traffic to your site. However it helps in increasing your business and dofollow links increase your PR.

The percentage of people that click on a link in a comment section is low and exceedingly low on blogs that are on a list from a backlink list seller because of the amount of links posted. The time and /or resources would be better spent getting links that can get you significant targeted traffic that the search engines provide OR you would be better driving traffic from building a significant social presence. Not that there are not times when youcan get traffic like that from a blog but as an ongoing strategy using multiple new blogs a month its not optimally effective.

[highave1]

: My opinion there will be better pr1 do follow back links instead f pr 5 no follow back links.
Now a days google only emphasis those sites which have more traffic, so betternsocial media as well.

[JSProjects]

I would lean towards the dofollow link, for reasons already stated. But why not do both? At the very least it helps your website look natural and increases your overall backlink count.

[Parlaypaulie]

Definitely do both its more natural looking...

[rizoalbert]

High PR nofollow link is not beneficial to get link juice but it is good to get traffic.And dofollow link is beneficial for both.So you should focus both to get a better SERP.

[chandragrego]

I think it may be worth more of your time to get do-follow and high PR links.