I don't know how to automate backlinks, should I?

[brightgravity]

I do tiered linking, so web 2.0 to my main site (tier 1), then 2 web 2.0s (tier 2) to the tier 1, and then I write 3 articles (tier 3) and point them to each of the web 2.0 sites on tier 2.

This takes me a LOT of time, especially considering I have 3 sites to do seo on, 2 having very competitive keywords.

As you can probably tell, I'm quite new to seo.

Now I've been told to manually spin the articles, just change a sentence in the start/middle/end so that will save me some time.

But everywhere I read people are on about auto backlinking... would this make all the difference to my seo? And if you think it is something I should be doing, any advice on the best way to start? I have looked at some tools before but just feel like I wouldnt know where to start if I bought them.

Thanks for any advice, much appreciated (and much needed!)

[brightgravity]

Bump.......

[jhnbrwn]

Well, literally you are not suppose to trust over machines and robots, it can lead you towards disastrous spot, hopefully, you won't want to experience that.

[JustaWizard]

Automated backlink building software leaves a "signature" that the crazy-smart PhD's working for Google know how to trace and devalue. If you're going to spend time, spend time building up quality, relevant backlinks. Look for my post on using Google Alerts to build links, you'll be glad you did.

Hope that helps!
Best,
David

[Alex Peltonen]

I don't really vote for anyone to use automated back linking applications. It could really end to serious problems in your internet marketing venture. Your site can even be banned by google once they caught you doing something like this because they consider it to be illegal.

[brightgravity]

OK, its just everyone I see on these forums seems to use one of them and gets top rankings, I don't see them saying they get caught. Just don't want to not be able to keep up with people that are using automated tools to help them, but OK will keep on just writing articles each day.

I dont do forums or blog comments, all blog comment software I have tried gives me non relevant and no follow results. Is it ok to just use web 2.0 and articles?

[brightgravity]

Originally Posted by JustaWizard

Automated backlink building software leaves a "signature" that the crazy-smart PhD's working for Google know how to trace and devalue. If you're going to spend time, spend time building up quality, relevant backlinks. Look for my post on using Google Alerts to build links, you'll be glad you did.

Hope that helps!
Best,
David

Can you link me? Cant seem to find it by looking at threads you started

[quidam01]

Originally Posted by JustaWizard

Automated backlink building software leaves a "signature" that the crazy-smart PhD's working for Google know how to trace and devalue. If you're going to spend time, spend time building up quality, relevant backlinks. Look for my post on using Google Alerts to build links, you'll be glad you did.

Hope that helps!
Best,
David

Does this apply to all automated submissions?

[dburk]

Hi brightgravity,

It sounds like you are contemplating moving to the dark side of SEO. The type of automation you seem to be asking about is not just automation, but mass spamming.

I have no problem with the general ideal of automating everything that makes since to do so. However, there are certain things that can be done better and more cost effectively by humans. The creation of content is one area that is generally done better when hand crafted by a human rather than some automated script.

The process of link building can take two very different paths. One is known as meritorious link building while the other tends toward pure spamming on a massive scale. The important thing to keep in mind is that spamming generally doesn't work well unless it is massive. And meritorious link building is more difficult to scale but generally works well on a much smaller scale than spamming.

Another thing to consider is that meritorious link building tends to build and multiply it's effectiveness over time while mass spamming tends to be devalued by search engines on a fairly consistent basis. So mass spamming requires a commitment to continuously spew spam all over the web, month after month, lest your temporary gains evaporate. Mass spamming is very Sisyphean.

You are new to SEO and you have reached that apex: "Do I take the path of goodness or evil?" Choose wisely, for your reputation is at stake.

[jerrydavid]

better not trust automate back links

[groceryalerts]

I agree with everyone. Natural SEO is the way to go.

[strategic seo services]

Originally Posted by brightgravity

I do tiered linking, so web 2.0 to my main site (tier 1), then 2 web 2.0s (tier 2) to the tier 1, and then I write 3 articles (tier 3) and point them to each of the web 2.0 sites on tier 2.

This takes me a LOT of time, especially considering I have 3 sites to do seo on, 2 having very competitive keywords.

As you can probably tell, I'm quite new to seo.

Now I've been told to manually spin the articles, just change a sentence in the start/middle/end so that will save me some time.

But everywhere I read people are on about auto backlinking... would this make all the difference to my seo? And if you think it is something I should be doing, any advice on the best way to start? I have looked at some tools before but just feel like I wouldnt know where to start if I bought them.

Thanks for any advice, much appreciated (and much needed!)

Both natural backlinking & automated backlinking (Xrumer) work EXTREMELY well!

[gittar1122]

Automation may create problem for your site and on the other hand manually created backlinks have great impact on SERP for your site.

Thanks

[nicholasrgardner]

Originally Posted by JustaWizard

Automated backlink building software leaves a "signature" that the crazy-smart PhD's working for Google know how to trace and devalue. If you're going to spend time, spend time building up quality, relevant backlinks. Look for my post on using Google Alerts to build links, you'll be glad you did.

Hope that helps!
Best,
David

The problem i have with statements like this is that you cant possibly know what it is you are stating.

I can GUARANTEE you that i can fill out forum profiles with XRumer that will be absoloutly NO different then if you went in and filled them out yourself.

Yes software can leave a footprint but so can a human. The software itself does not leave the footprint but lazy errors on part of its operator do. For instance when i am running an XRumer project, i make sure that i generate emails with a method that allows me to turn 1 email address into over 1k. This is reducing my footprint. I may submit to 1000 forums, but each has completely unique profile details.

On the other hand you have someone that manually submits to forums because they feel that automation is going to get them devalued. They go through a list of 20 forums and sign up for them all using the same email (i doubt that someone is going to create a new email for each forum when manually creating backlinks, feel free to let me know if i am wrong). My 1000 submissions with XRumer have now left less of a footprint then that persons 20, because if you go with the theory above Google can see that the same email registered for all those forums.

Yes Google has some smart people working for them, and no i dont doubt they have metrics we dont know about for sniffing out spam (which EVERYONE that builds backlinks does by the way). But it is ridiculous to assume that with all the sites on the internet and all the random ways that information is linked that Google can sniff out a piece of software from human input, as long as the user goes about things smartly.

Take your time, learn your software, make your submissions as unique and realistic as possible, and you will be able to build backlinks to not only your site, but 10 link wheels in the time it takes the guy doing it manually to get his wits about him.

Software is not for everyone, but it is for me. When I stop getting the results i want faster with software then i will stop using it.

[sojibrahman]

I think Automatic backlink are not well for SEO

[nicholasrgardner]

Originally Posted by sojibrahman

I think Automatic backlink are not well for SEO

Ok do you have anything to support your comment or just chiming in with nothing of value?

[chinmokuyuuki]

I have to strongly agree with nicholasrgardner. Its not the tool that is responsible its the person using the tool. In the end of the day I'm glad Ive got a multiple dedicated servers running 24/7 doing a job I would have taken ages to complete. As long as it works and is cost and time effective I will continue to use the tools I use.

Stop thinking in- or outside the box, there is no box!

Stop thinking White or Black Hat, there is no Hat! There are only people pushing the limits and people living within imaginary boundaries, which one are you?

[jhonsean]

There are service that offers automated backlinks but it is more quality when you submit it manually.

[nicholasrgardner]

Originally Posted by jhonsean

There are service that offers automated backlinks but it is more quality when you submit it manually.

Once again not true. Yes those services may not be quality if they dont take the time to set things up correctly. Thats why when choosing an automation service you should ask questions. Make sure you know how they submit and what your profiles will look like. A service that churns out dozens of orders a day may not be concerned with the quality of the links.

If you invest in the software and learn it and do the projects yourself there is no difference between manual and automated submission.

If anyone can show me proof of how they can make a better quality profile link or any link for that matter without software than with software i am listening.

Everyone gets wrapped up in this hat that hat but the truth is that all link building is the darker side. The only whitehat method to building links is putting a site up and letting people find it naturally. Any other form of link building manual or not is by its basic definition the darker side.

Once again if anyone can offer any solid reasoning as to why correctly executed automation is not the same as manual submission i am listening.

[Rob Howard]

A lot of stuff thrown around here that just isn't true.

1. You can submit junk to all the internet to get backlinks manually or automatically. It doesn't matter how, it's still junk.

What's my point?

The method of submission - auto or manual - doesn't matter. It's the quality of the content. If you use quality content to submit to get backlinks, then your links are going to be counted. Again - manually or automatically - doesn't matter.

2. The worst that can happen doing backlinking - again, manually or automatically - is that the link won't count.

The method of submission again, doesn't matter.

3. If it did matter, and your site could be penalized (like some people suggest), then hallelujah! My competitors are going down in a stinking pile of link filth.

My point?

If you could damage your site or competitors sites with automated backlinking - everyone would be doing it to each other to the point that Google would implode.

4. A lot of people who have dive bombs in rankings do 1 or 2 things wrong. They either:

A. Don't backlink consistently, again, doesn't matter manual or automatic. So when they take a dive bomb, they freak out and give up and Google decides the rock bottom rankings are where they belong.

B. Something is wrong with their on site SEO.


So, all my points?

- Backlink CONSISTENTLY. Regardless of manual submission or automatic.

- Don't use junk articles and content to get links. Use well written, informative and entertaining articles/video's to get links.

- Advice given above - don't just spam the internet being lazy. Use the software intelligently and you won't have a problem. But even then, the worst that can happen is your link just won't count.

Rob

[nicholasrgardner]

Rob I agree with all your points but I can get a site dropped out of the top 10 with software. While the methods are unethical it can be done and has been. Helps to know all the methods to avoid being burned.

Think if a couple hundred thousand porn and pharma links came into a site in the #1 positon. All from bad neighborhoods.

Reguardless of if you agree with automation or not everyone should learn what it can do, the good and bad. Knowledge never hurts.

[Rob Howard]

Originally Posted by nicholasrgardner

Think if a couple hundred thousand porn and pharma links came into a site in the #1 positon. All from bad neighborhoods.

Yes, that is true...but I think both you and I can agree that a huge majority here won't bother getting porn and pharma links.

A majority of software (SENukeX, Magic Submitter, etc.) that people would use wouldn't even get links from there. (Mostly Web 2.0, social, etc.)

So, for the average Warrior, this is a non issue.

Rob

[nicholasrgardner]

I agree with you just offering all points there are many more ways just stressing that people should do their research on all fronts.

This debate is in my opinion the debate in seo that has the most bad information floating around.

[brightgravity]

Nicholas - thanks for your input here, added you on skype actually.

Rob - thanks for you advice also.

So you guys both only use quality content, and you also automate stuff. I'm a tad confused how it saves so much time then. If you need to write the web 2.0 articles etc then I dont see what gets automated, just the submission? as it doesnt take all that long. Nicholas you said you can get 10 link wheels knocked up in no time, but if it is all quality original content, surely it takes you forever to write it all?

I do understand how automating forum profiles could save time though.

Also, for certain niches, it just isn't possible to churn out constant good content on the world dullest topic, and have it help your ranking. This is why I end up regurgitating stuff but just chopping up the text.

[nicholasrgardner]

Make no mistake about it... producing quality from automation takes time. Creating your submissions to a quality level you are comfortable with will take you a decent amount of time. But it saves you time in the long run because of the sheer amount of things you can automate with good content. Work hard in the beginning and it pays of in the end. Work hard all the way through and it pays off too but i like to work hard in the beginning with the same pay off.

[Rob Howard]

Who said anything about me writing the quality content. I'm not the only person in the world capable of writing.

Rob

[nicholasrgardner]

PLR and good quality spinning

[brightgravity]

right so you still have to (or a VA or w/e) write the full content from scratch for each post/article/web 2.0. You both seem to say it helps a bunch so I take your word for it, all a bit beyond me right now though

I think youre right, I should just focus on what I am doing at the moment and try to learn as much as possible, do it all manually, and then gradually look into other things.

[shuvo]

It is always recommended to use manual backlinking but yet there are some useful softwares you may want to buy for your SEO needs like scrapebox,xrumer,best spinner,bookmarking demon and they really work.

[nicholasrgardner]

Nothing replaces a solid foundation... I learned doing things manually at first and then once I knew my seo airtight (had a great mentor one of my buddies from the marine corps) I looked into software.

Outsourcing is great but I am from he school of thought that if you want something done right you do it yourself. Automation makes this easier and you learn more in the process. Not to mention the feeling of hitting #1 from your own sweat. Once you hit #1 you can outsource knowing your foundation is solid.

[O0o0O]

JustWizard and Nicholas are both correct that a signature is left, but only if your work is haphazard. Try to do everything you can to eliminate your footprint by increasing the diversity of your link building. You will be successful in the end.

[visimedia]

backlinking is just backlinking, I will prefer to use automation tools to do it, and some that can't automate, then we'll just do it manually.

I think, for business person like you guys, your time means money. Repeat the same task over and over again... is that what you'll do manually if in the other side you can do it automated?


mmmm.... I think I go manually if it has to be like that and I will go automated if I can have it done in automated.

cheers.

[frank07]

You need to try and try, do not believe every people talk. If you have money you can hire service to do that. Think about quality and quantity, and do not rush on this SEO game. It takes few months to see the result, no shortcut for it. If people know they do not let you know all .

[kiddoman]

Don't add too many links to your websites! It is not safe to do so! If Google detects that, it may punish you with strict rules! It is better to collect SEO skills and do it yourself! Good links are always those ones with high PR!