LIVE CASE STUDY - Bring The Fresh vs. Extreme Niche Empires vs. Google Sniper 2

[mikel.perez.01]

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Hello all!

I admit it. I have been absorbed by the huge number of moneymaking methods and tactics out there, and have been pulled in 1000 different directions. What's worse, without even knowing if any of them was good.

But some time ago I decided to put an end to this taking MASSIVE ACTION and I started seeing some results.

As my next action-taking step and, at the same time, as a way to give back to this community by sharing my results with you LIVE, I'll run an experiment.

Here's what I've decided to do:

I'll build three sites, following three different methods, put their results side by side, and see which one performs better.

I've chosen three well known methods, which in the end follow a very similar approach: choose a niche and one or a few related products, select some targetted keywords, and build a site around them to make money selling as an affiliate (there's an additional monetization method in one of them, that I'll mention later in the case study).

These methods are:

1. Bring the Fresh by Kelly Felix and Mike Long
2. Extreme Niche Empires by Sean Donahoe
3. Google Sniper 2 by George Brown.

I'll be following the basic training included with the initial payment for each of these methods, not the advanced or upgraded "flavours".

As I build my sites following these methods, I'll be tracking and posting the following magnitudes:

1. Time spent working on each one
2. Money spent working on each one (I already have hosting, so I won't compute this cost to any of them).
3. Position in Google for their main keyword, and maybe some secondary keywords.
4. Number of visits to the site
5. Earnings

No, I won't reveal the niche or keywords as part of the case study

Apart of that, I'll also be reporting my progress, detailing any roadblocks I may find, and how I overcome any issues.

Of course, I may not be able to give too much detail sometimes, as it's not my intention to reveal the methods themselves here, I have to protect their creators' IP. I hope you'll understand

I'd like to make it as impartial as possible, so that the results are somewhat comparable, so here are the conditions that will rule my experiment / case study:

1. I'll use the same niche for the three of them, so that they target the same audience. For instance (I'll use this niche as an example here, but it won't be the real one), they may all target "hard-core gamers".
2. I'll promote physical products in all cases, so that no difference arises based on the likelyhood of buying / refunding digital vs. physical goods. For instance, I may promote gaming accessories like headsets, keyboards, mouses, etc.
3. I'll also try to use the same marketplace, likely Amazon, so that differences in the checkout process don't affect results.
4. So that sites don't compete against each other in google, they'll target different products and keywords. However, I'll try to choose products that serve similar functions and share simlar prices, for the same reason as above.
5. I'll follow the searches and competition levels suggested by each method, searches as reported by the Google External Keyword Tool, and easiness to rank or competition levels as reported by Market Samurai / Traffic Travis.
6. I'll try to follow all the methods to the letter; if for some reason I had to deviate from them, I'd explain where and why.
7. As I have no preference for any of the methods, I'll speak of them and build their sites following an alphabetical order, as I did in the post subject. This does not mean Bring the Fresh is "number one" except for the fact that it starts with a B and the others don't
8. If I decide to outsource some task for one site, I'll outsource the same or similar tasks for the others, so that the cost and time spent on each are somewhat comparable.

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I know the results won't be a scientific proof of any kind. So don't take this case study as the end-all be-all of how each of these methods perform by themselves or as compared to the other two.

Who knows, maybe one works like charm for the niche I choose and Amazon products, but another one would have beat it promoting a digital product from Clickbank and the third would have trashed the others had I chosen a different keyword for its site.

Also, my results may not be comparable to yours if you followed any of them, as we all have different technical, marketing and sales backgrounds.

You know, the only way you'll find to BE SURE how good any method works FOR YOU it's by testing it yourself.

But I hope the experiment yields some interesting results that we can all learn from. At least, I hope I'll achieve some results with all of them just because I'LL TAKE ACTION, and we can at least learn from that.

Next stop: niche / keyword research.

As you see I have a daunting task ahead. Wish me luck!

Mikel

PS: let me know what you think of this case study, and if you think there's something I may be missing, or something else you'd like me to share with you.

PS2: if you like this experiment, please click the thanks button below!

[ThrillerAuthor]

This should be quite interesting. I don't know all 3 methods - I know Google Sniper 2 and a bit about BTF, and I have a feeling that the results could be very similar.

Are you planning to do the keyword research and backlinking strategies as prescribed per each method also, or are you going to use your own methods for all 3 sites?

[davidmeeonline]

This sounds great, I will be following this thread closely!

[PattyK]

I am very interested in your research! I look forward to your posts! Thank-you!!

[Jeremy Banks]

Definitely going to follow this thread. I don't really follow any tactic except my own, not to sure which of those it would be closest to but I do make niche sites so it would likely be more like google sniper.

The system helps me make $200 a day or more from adsense, amazon and affiliate programs. Most of my $$$$ is from adsense though, working on building amazon and clickbank will come soon.

[AlwaysAwa]

Looking forward for this best of luck =)

[mikel.perez.01]

Originally Posted by ThrillerAuthor

Are you planning to do the keyword research and backlinking strategies as prescribed per each method also, or are you going to use your own methods for all 3 sites?

Regarding the techniques and tools I use in order to find possible keywords, I'll use what the methods suggest but I'll complement it with further techniques I use and tools I have.

BUT in order to select the final target keyword out of those I find, I'll make sure I stick to the rules detailed in each method about search volume and competition.

Regarding promotion (backlinking etc.) I'll do exactly as each of them teach, so that we can see the differences in rankings I achieve with each.

[sociallid]

Sounds great. Can't wait to see what happens.

[freddylan]

Great experience, i will follow it closely as well

[mikel.perez.01]

Well, these have been two pretty intense days, but I've finally finished my keyword research, and registered my domains.

It has taken longer than expected, but I know it's not been because of the methods themselves. I was imposing additional constraints to them (like forcing the sites and thus the keywords to be in a given niche -the same for all three-, and targetting physical products, for instance). I guess that if I had been 100% free to go where the keyword discovery process had leaded me, I would have found one more easily.

I've also came up with some unexpected (and important) findings along the way, that I'll tell you about later, but first let's summarize what I've done until now:

1. I selected a niche and found different products on Amazon I could promote.
2. I started my Keyword Research process. Basically, I created custom filter presets in Market Samurai, named BTF, ENE and GS2, and populated each of them with the appropriate search volume and competition values for each method. This really eased the filtering process a lot, and once you do it, it's done forever.
3. Finding a keyword for Bring The Fresh was not immediate, but happened relatively easily. In fact, I found several possible keywords, and there were a couple of exact match domains so I bough both. I'll only build one of the two possible sites for this case study, the other one will be used in the future.
4. Regarding Extreme Niche Empires, I went through the training videos again, and it turns out it doesn't rely on a single keyword, but a list of 10 related keywords for a site; so it's not as laser-focused as the other two methods, it advocates for larger sites. And it's much more aggressive regarding the competition it advises to go against. So it took me a while -more than twice it had taken me for BTF-, but I found a list of 9 keywords that match Sean's criteria. Luckily enough, the exact match domain for the most general of these keywords was available, so I purchased it. Voila!
5. And finally, GS2. Boy, that was hard! (I know for a fact -as I've built other sniper sites before- this has been caused by the niche I chose, I'll explain why in the takeaways later). In fact, it was becoming so hard I had to "bend the rules" a bit, in order to find a keyword with enough searches but not too many competitors; I just allowed myself to pick a keyword with a competition level which is a bit higher than advised, but George himself admits to target such levels in one of the videos so I'm not completely off-limits. I spent almost the whole evening today looking for that keyword, but I finally found it. And with an exact match domain available. So, mission accomplished.
6. I bought the domains through Namecheap and pointed them to my hosting account.

As I said in the beginning, I came up with me up some additional interesting things that I though I should share with you.

1. One of the possible keywords I had found was said to have 1200+ phrase searches monthly. I almost bought the exact-match domain, that was available. Luckily enough, I decided to take a look in Google Trends, to find that the traffic was almost non-existant until feb 2010, it started to rise significantly until october 2010, and then declined until february 2011, when it reached a negligible level again. I have no idea why search volume for this keyword spiked and then disspaeared, but I guess Google was using the average in order to report those 1200 searches / month; well, that's not the case now AT ALL. Targetting that keyword would have been a terrible mistake.
2. Another product related keyword also looked good, but after the surprise above, I decided to look at Google Trends again. I kid you not: do you know these "news" Google displays beside the search volume graph? well, they all spoke about deaths, recalls by the manufacturer, and how finally the product was banned in the US. This could have been even a worse mistake than the one above! I could have built a site for a product I cannot sell!!
3. And finally, some geographic issues: in some cases, I found some idioms or expressions that seem to be widely used in the UK, but not at all in the US; in other cases, the same expression is used in both countries, but the keyword is still searched for more often in the UK than in the US. This may be irrelevant if you plan to monetize via adsense, or selling an info product, but it's not if you plan to sell Amazon products, because Amazon has a UK store where I presume all UK users would buy, and the affiliate cookie is not shared by the US and the UK sites.

So, what are the takeaways until now?

1. Never go for a keyword blindly, based only on the data reported by the keyword tools. Always double check that information with Google Trends and Google Insights for Search. Verify the search volume is stable or increasing.
2. Beware of the global search volume as opposed to local search volume figures. Make sure your keyword is searched for in the countries you want to target.
3. Know your market. Or do a little research before you enter it. Just in case you start promoting a banned product
4. As Amazon products are targetted by many marketers, building laser-targetted sites (like BTF or GS2) for Amazon products can be a bit tough in certain markets, especially if your target audience does not (in significant numbers, I mean) look for product models / names in Google. It's easier in some markets like electronics, where users are much more likely to search for model names in Google, and there are thousands of product names, so competition is not so hard.
5. If no particular product names can be targetted, then you may want to target "product category"-type keywords, though the competition levels for those keywords are often too high for these type of strategies (so that I make myself clear, I mean general product category keywords like "Dual-Suspension Mountain Bike" for instance, as opposed to brand/model keywords like "Mongoose Status 3.0 Dual-Suspension Mountain Bike").
6. Another tactic that may work in these cases is to find a keyword related not directly to the product, but to the need the product fullfils, so that you can build a site around that keyword, and then promote the product as the solution.
7. If you plan to sell amazon products, check where the majority of your visits may come from, in case you have to use an Amazon store other than the US one. If your audience is split among different countries (USA, UK, Canada) you either have to promote to the biggest market and thus loose the comissions for the others, which will cut your profits or -as I'll likely do- use some geotargetting plugin and present the correct store depending on where the visit comes from.

Well, that's all for now. Tomorrow, I'll start building the sites, and at some point during the weekend or maybe next Monday, I'll start with the promotion and backlinking phase.

Hope you find this useful!

Mikel

[mark411]

Very comprehensive case study! Great stuff!!

[Vexo]

This is looking very interesting cant wait to see what happens. Good luck

[LadySara]

I'm really looking forward to this. Please do continue until the end.

[mikel.perez.01]

Hello all again!

We left at a point where I had chosen my keywords and registered my domains.

I've gone on following the methods, and would like to update you on the current status:

• I built my BTF site with wordpress, installed the recommended plugins, and wrote a first post (450 words approx.), as well as some "generic" pages like Privacy Policy, Affiliate Disclosure etc. Building it to this point was very quick, no more than 1h counting the time I devoted to writing that post. Oh, I used Instant Article Wizard to help me with that.
• I also built my GS2 site and installed and configured the recommended plugins. I wrote a very brief introductory post (100 words) and published the same pages as above. As in the previous case, it took me very little time to do it, no more than 40 minutes to this point (remember, no medium size or long posts written yet).
• I have built my ENE site with wordpress too. I have uploaded the plugin pack recommeded by Sean Donahoe (much more extensive than the previous two) and I am configuring them following his advice. I have also written an introductory post (100 words). Still working on configuring all the plugins. Building this site will take considerably longer, as it's more an "authority type" site. But it might be worht the effort, we'll see.

Here are the results so far:

• All the sites are indexed by Google. They were indexed almost overnight as I added them to my Google Analytics account, without any backlinking at all.
• My BTF site is ranking #6 in Google, without any additional content besides the 450 words post I mentioned, and without any backlinks. There doesn't seem to be any "Google dance" going on, as it has stayed in that position for several days since it was indexed. It has not been indexed by Bing or Yahoo yet.
• My GS2 is indexed in Google, but ranking low. However, this site is ranking #6 both in Bing and Yahoo!. Remember, only a 100 words post, and 0 backlinks.
• My ENE site is indexed in Google (for the main keyword, remember there are others in this case) but not ranking in any relevant position yet. It hasn't been indexed by Yahoo or Bing.

It seems that in the first two cases, that are targetting keywords with weak competition, on-page SEO can do a good job in getting you to the first page in the SERPs. As I add more content I expect them to rank a bit better.

Results with the ENE site at this point are just what I expected, as it is targetting much more competitive terms. But I hope on-page SEO can also give it a boost in this case, thanks to the "cyclone effect" Sean has came up with (I'm afraid I can't reveal what it is, and you'll have to purchase ENE if you want to know ).

I don't expect to rank #1 based only on on-page factors, though. I bet I'll have to build good backlinks for that.

I'll keep you posted, though.

My next tasks for this week will be still centered in content creation and on-page SEO:

1. Create the main long (and money-making) article for the BTF site.
2. Create a medium size and the long (money making) articles for the GS2 site.
3. Create a medium size article for the ENE site's hompepage, and 9 medium size articles for the secondarty the keywords. Put the monetization methods in place (in this case, ENE relies on everything you may think of - Amazon, Clickbank, Adsense...) and start the cyclone.

At the end of this stage we'll find where my sites end-up in the SERPs without any backlinks at all. I can't wait to see

BTW, if you want to be notified of future updates, you can subscribe to this thread using the subscription feature provided by WarriorForum in the "Thread tools" menu at the top.

See ya!

[MrWonton]

Subscribed and watching with interest!

[JSProjects]

Awesome. I always love following case studies. I'll be keeping my eye on this one.

[Rukshan]

This will be great thread. Keep it alive for a long time

[usabball]

Great stuff here as I have purchased ENE and have begun the video module training, but have not yet begun building a site based on the tutorials.
I had seen very solid reviews on WF for BTF but I did not want to duplicate efforts or distract myself from focus on ENE.
I am not intimate with GS, but I have seen it referenced in several blogs.
Please keep the case study well documented as this is very informative and beneficial.

[a2z]

Hello Mikel,

Thank you so much for doing this study. I will looking
forward to your posts on the results.

[kanuje]

Very useful information, thank you for sharing. Looking forward to an update soon!

[mmsearch]

Just saw this thread- I am embarking on BTF now- Really interested to see the rest of the process you are taking. Subscribed

[Slaughter]

Wanna see what happens..

[amoeba]

bookmarked!! any progress in last 10 days?

[lewi77]

Originally Posted by amoeba

bookmarked!! any progress in last 10 days?

I too am watching closly, I am familiar with Sniper but not the other two. Look forward to the final verdict.

[hlvasquez]

Hi Mikel,

Any news on the experiment?

Thanks for all your work done so far in these tests, very informative.

[mikel.perez.01]

Yes, I have some news indeed.

"You are about to discover a significant obstacle I faced and how I overcame it, and a semi-pleasant surprise I just came across"

Hey, how's that for a marketing headline for this post?

Well, here's the situation:

• I'm behind my expected schedule, mainly due to the problems I'll tell you about. I should already be well in the "promotion" phase, and I just finished my content and on-site SEO for the three sites.

• Regarding the BTF site, since the last time we talked -hmm.. kinda - I have just added the main money-making post this week, pointing to the Amazon product I chose for this site.

• The GS2 site is also finished, I added an additional article type post, and the main money-making post this week, also pointing to Amazon.

• And ENE has been the cornerstone of all my struggles this past weeks.
  • First of all, as I told you this method advocates for much bigger sites, with at least 10 main money-making posts. As writing articles is not what I like best and I was busy with other ventures aside of this experiment, I decided to outsource the writing of 8 long (750 words) posts.
  • I used the service offered by Fweez, as I had some credits sitting there. The first obstacle in my advance was their turnaround time. They were apparently a bit overloaded with requests, and it took 10 days for them to deliver.
  • As -if I remember correctly- I used a 50% discount coupon to purchased these credits, the cost was 30 bucks, which is approx 0,005 a word. And the quality was quite good; except for the first paragraph in one of the articles, which I re-wrote, I published everything as it was delivered.
  • So I had all my content online; then I had to "start the cyclone". Without getting into much detail so that I don't reveal too much of the what, how and why of the method, let's say it involves some auto-blogging.
  • And hell broke loose First, in order to do that, Sean provides two wordpress plugins as part of ENE. But they are encrypted and they use IonCube to support that encryption. I tried and tried to install and make that work in the hosting provider I was using, without luck.
  • So, I had to move the whole site to a new host. Thank god I had WPTwin... I love you, Jason Fladlien and Will Matos! So I made the copy with WPTwin, pointed the DNSs to one of my other hosting accounts, waited.... and waited... and waited till the DNSs propagated and my ISP finally noticed they had changed, and restored the site in the new host (reinstalling it took like 3 minutes once everything was pointed correctly).
  • In this new host it took me a while but I managed to have IonCube installed and my PHP.ini files working smoothly, but I finally did it.
  • So I finally had that part working... almost, as in the past days there seems to be a problem with one of the four main types of auto-posted contents, that is not affecting me but also other users of ENE. It does not invalidate the method or make it unusable, but it reduces its efficiency; hopefully Sean will come up with a fix soon. Otherwise, I'll switch to another plugin that does something similar, as using Sean's plugin is not mandatory, it's just something you have at your disposal as part of the program but you can use similar ones if you have them.
  • In any case, I managed to have some additional 30-something posts in that site created automatically.

That's the situation now content-wise.

Regarding how the sites are performing (remember, I haven't done any promotion to any of them yet):

• My BTF site has been indexed completely; it's sitting steadily in position 5 in google and 3 in Bing, and is already receiving some visits. I won't tell you the exact numbers yet as I just published my main post, I want to give it more time to rank for additional keywords.

• My GS2 site is already fully indexed also, and is currently in page 3 in Google, and receiving no visits yet.

• My ENE site is partially indexed, and not ranking yet. As I said in the previous post, this is not unexpected as it's targetting much more competitive terms. Obviously, no visits.

So, up until now I'm most satisfied with my BTF site, as it's the one that took me less time to research and build and the one that is getting the best rankings.

But I must not be too short-sighted, as I start promoting them results may change significantly in the near future.

So, next, on to backlinking!!!

Mikel

Ooooh, I almost forgot the semi-pleasant surprise!

I was checking indexed pages and backlinks using the rank tracker in market samurai and, as expected, my BTF and ENE had 0 backlinks... but my GS2 site showed approx. 150 backlinks.

As I have done no backlinking, I checked SEOMoz, and it turns out there was a site with my exact domain name -and obviously, tightly related content- live until Dec 2010, and it had been backlinked with some articles and some "site information type" links.

So, why is this semi-pleasant?

• On one side, it's work someone already did for me. I'm immensely grateful to whoever it was

• Regarding the experiment, it may slightly affect results, as it turns out the GS2 site starts with some advantage as compared to the other two. In any case, as I will backlink the three much more heavily, in a few weeks that number of backlinks shouldn't be relevant anymore.

• And the ugly side of the coin: if someone had this domain and had created some content last year, and let it expire, it's obvious he/she was not making much money out of the site. The question is why:
  • Was it because he was too lazy to persevere until the site ranked high enough to get traffic? Then it shouldn't affect me, but...
  • Was it because he was not able to monetize the traffic he was getting? Maybe the traffic doesn't convert for this keyword, and if that were the case, well... I'm doomed!

We'll see in the future, rest assured I will let you know!

Mikel

[vbox]

its the coolest thing you're dong man.

I'll follow this thread until see some good results from either method.

Thanks for the efforts to help all of us saving time and money!

[jrpt]

Hey Mikel-

As everyone else is saying, thanks!

One question I have: I'm working through the BTF guide right now and also purchased a new WSO on Amazon sites and hope to combine the two to maximize value.

Question: If you are targeting an item or items for the BTF site, which I assume you are doing, are you being ultra specific (ie. Brand + Model + Reviews), kinda specific (ie. Brand + Model) or just specific enough (ie. Toilet Seat Covers) in your quest?

The reason I ask is that in the basic version of BTF, I don't see this really discussed. The obvious answer I assume would be if I could get a vague term with lesser competition that would be best but those are needles in haystacks. Just trying to look ahead a bit.

Thanks for the effort.

JR

[filippot51]

very interesting since im using GS2

[Pravir]

Very interesting Thread...I am using ENE method to build my niche sites...lets see how you go with your sites and which system is more robust....will follow this thread

[tweetpromo]

Originally Posted by filippot51

very interesting since im using GS2

i am sorry, what ist GS2, never heard

[JennySweets]

I'm very green,very new to all of this. I chose ENE because of the idea of "authority content" versus the regenerated garbage I find all over the web, and also because it sounded like it would provide a legitimate way to get in without gettin slapped around (as sean likes to say) by panda.

the idea of going after a tiny piece of a big market is scary!

and reading so far i wonder if i chose the right product.

I wanted to check out BTF but honestly I can not afford $97 at one time (with ENE i am having to go slowly because of costs.. hosting and domains aren't too bad but i need to get a good article tool and some other things i haven't even uncovered yet lol so i have to get them piece by piece.. this may take forever!)

and i know people say "if you need money quickly try something else" but i'm not looking for overnight riches.. i'm looking for long term, something i can build into a business and change my sons life with.

this thread is fascinating.. and if nothing else has tipped me off to a few things i didn't know before.. or gave me enough of a clue to go investigating. as i said, i'm about as green as they come.

but i'm itchy all over in my brain wondering if i should scrimp and save until i can afford BTF too lol. since i can do nothing now, and i'm elbow deep in ENE, i'll keep reading this thread, keep slogging through ENE and hope the first project I picked is a good one! but after reading this.. i may pause and start a second track (this is already my 4th idea but a 5th might just be better!)

Thanks so much for doing this experiment!

[Jody_W]

Originally Posted by JennySweets

but i'm itchy all over in my brain wondering if i should scrimp and save until i can afford BTF too lol.

Don't do it! That's the big danger in IM. Everything sounds so good and so cool that you just HAVE to get each shiny new thing. This isn't meant to reflect in a bad way on any programs out there. Most all of them will work IF YOU STICK TO ONE AT A TIME AND FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS.

Good luck!

[filippot51]

google sniper 2

[KellyFelix]

I think this is a cool idea. Thanks to mikel.perez.01 for doing it. I hear good things about ENE and GS2.

I'm interested in the results, and would love to know where we can improve.

I think its awesome that you have actually followed through with your goal. Most people never even get to this point, so thats pretty cool. And doing it publicly keeps you accountable which is a nice motivator.

I agree with another poster - whatever system you do decide to use, just follow through with it and don't pay attention to all of the other shiny products that you see. Find out for yourself if it works or not. If not, then move on to the next one with the best reviews. No matter what, the experience will be very beneficial and you'll learn a lot.

Any questions about BTF, just let me know.

[StoneWilson]

Has subscribed this thread and looking forward to your update.

[mobiduck]

WoW! Killah! Working the ENE modules and have the BTF starter waiting on my HD so arriving on this thread is pure clairvoyance.

And there's even some headsup as to what the ENE IonCube requirement might have in store.

[mikel.perez.01]

Thanks everyone for your comments, they really encourage me to push further in this direction. Thanks!

OK, let's reply to some questions and comments:

Originally Posted by jrpt

If you are targeting an item or items for the BTF site, which I assume you are doing, are you being ultra specific (ie. Brand + Model + Reviews), kinda specific (ie. Brand + Model) or just specific enough (ie. Toilet Seat Covers) in your quest?

In this case, because of the niche I chose, I'm targetting what you call "specific enough".

I have built some sites in other markets, mainly related to electronic products, and the model numbers are relevant and searched for in those niches, but in others not so much.

If you want to sell TVs or fridges I'm sure you will come up with a viable keyword, whereas if you are selling winter coats, it will be hard to find a product / brand keyword that is really being searched for enough times

Originally Posted by tweetpromo

i am sorry, what ist GS2, never heard

exactly!

Originally Posted by JennySweets

but i'm itchy all over in my brain wondering if i should scrimp and save until i can afford BTF too lol. since i can do nothing now, and i'm elbow deep in ENE, i'll keep reading this thread, keep slogging through ENE and hope the first project I picked is a good one! but after reading this.. i may pause and start a second track (this is already my 4th idea but a 5th might just be better!)

I wouldn't advise you to do that. And I know what I say because I also started many projects and never completed a single one until not so long ago.

A project started but not completed will make you 0 bucks, as will the next one, and the next one... until you quit.

I think the three methods I'm testing are good, and I'm sure that if I stick to them they will make me some money. Even if they don't for a particular site that wouldn't mean they don't work in general, I'd use my experience to build a second site following the same method more quickly.

My advise is to stick to ENE if that's what you are working on, overcome any problems you may face, and learn from it, until you make some money that you can invest in building more sites and buying further training. But not the other way around.

Originally Posted by KellyFelix

I'm interested in the results, and would love to know where we can improve.

Wow, thanks for stepping in, Kelly!

I'll surely let you know if I think there's something I could say that helps you or other BTf users.

Stay tuned for the next update!

[JennySweets]

Yes, I've decided to stick with ENE, because the things he's teaching me make sense, as long as you apply caution in some areas, tread lightly. As I said before I understand very little yet, but I've learned enough about PANDA to be checking over certain concepts before I implement them.

If this first niche I've researched doesn't really pan out (and I can see how this one might take some time to do so) I will start a second one, and a third. maybe even up to five, then let them run while I try out BTF.

I do think the niche I've chosen has the potential to earn quite a bit. and it's a keyword that has steadily if slowly risen with only typical minor small spikes. and it has a chewy CPC that I would really, really love to bite into!!

[IMAngel]

Great Information!
I love this kind of testing/evaluating. I will keep an eye.
I took the ENE route like a month ago. I have not made any money yet. But we will see what happens. I can not wait to see your results!

[Magnificentpower]

This is an interesting experiment.I thought Google Sniper and Bring the fresh is kind of similar.The more advanced SEO stuffs is probably ENE and Bring the Fresh forum.

Thanks for making the efforts to post your progress.

[Rich Jackson]

awesome thread

[lordpeter]

I cant wait to for the next update.
This method takes time but in the long run it is worth it. Currently I have sites with sitesell or SBI which are a few years old. Their system is excellent and I rank number 1 for 40 or so pages and earn some extra change also. I am very open to these methods and seeing which performs the best.

[izzymay]

Any updates Mike?!

[thebitbotdotcom]

Ditto. Any updates???

[JOleng]

This thread has such a potential. I hope You are all right and will come back soon.

Waiting for updates on this thread is like, waiting for new episodes of your favorite TV series, during season break.

[Delarox]

Awesome thread! cant wait to hear the latest update

[dagaul101]

Nice live experiments like these always give confidence to future purchasers of the products

[fongjey]

This thread kinda keeps my passion for IM burning. I'm setting a tent here for updates.

[Rukshan]

Any updates