Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings?

ChrisAlta · 05-25-2011, 03:18 PM

Warriors!

About 2 weeks ago I built my jv affiliate niche website and my website is CONTENT RICH. I mean my on page SEO is absolutely crushing all of my competitors, I'm talking the keyword density and over all optimization is GOLD. Here's the thing..

I'm ranking #7?

I don't have any backlinks besides a few pointing directly to my niche website and here's the reason I'm not doing that based off of what I've heard from other marketers.

Reason: When you point a ton of backlinks (high quality or low quality PR's) directly at a brand new website, Google's new panda update has thrown up the red flag because it looks unnatural.

With that being said I am indexed in Google with the #7 ranking but I am not "Sandboxed" which is good.

The backlinking strategy I'm currently using is to create a barrier of high PR websites like Squidoo, Hubpages, EzineArticles, ArticleBlast, Tumblr, Blogger, and wordpress.com surrounding my niche site.

In turn I've linked these websites directly back to my JV niche site.

Next I've outsourced mass article submissions to thousands of article directories with the links pointing at the outer barrier (the squidoo, hubpages, EzineArticles, etc..) which in turn should pass the link juice through to my niche site.

The reason I did this is because these high PR sites are established and can handle that amount of links coming in all at one time, and Google won't raise a red flag.

After all of this has been done I go to Google and check the last time I've been cached and it was on May 20th?

So here's my question: How long does it usually take Google to re-cache your website? (re-crawl, index, whatever you want to call it)

And is the backlinking strategy I'm using effective? Any suggestions or tips would be greatly appreciated!

Shazia Mirza · 05-25-2011, 03:20 PM

There are two types of reindexes from big G.

Ones the small one that is always happening. They crawl one or two pages of your site.

Then there is the big one that happens once every 2 - 3 weeks.

This one will crawl your entire site, to the best of the GoogleBot's ability.

That is what I was taught, others might have something else to say.

Mr. E · 05-25-2011, 03:46 PM

First off, congrats on making the first page of the Big G after only two weeks, that could change though, so be prepared for that. I think you are going about your backlinks in a good way and if you stick to it you should rise in the rankings.

As far as google to re-cache your website, what I have seen lately is that at least for the homepage it does it within a day if I make changes to the description or title for websites that I update on a continual basis. As for the websites that I don't update, I have no idea, simply because I don't update them and don't look.

What I do know is that the websites I update more often get crawled much more than others. The ones I don't update can go days without being visited by google. The ones I do update on a near daily basis (they have lots of content as well) get visited many times a day by googles spiders.

ChrisAlta · 05-25-2011, 04:02 PM

So do you think I should just tweak my homepage every so often to get crawled often?

dvduval · 05-25-2011, 04:06 PM

I'm reaching a point where many of my websites have a critical mass and I just don't depend on google anymore. I can send an email and get more traffic or post on facebook and get more traffic. If google wants to help out, great!. If not, they are just one piece of the puzzle, and really that is the way it should be anyway. Here is a WF thread where I talked a little about that.

ChrisAlta · 05-25-2011, 05:08 PM

Hey dvduval,

Thanks for the feedback, just checked out your thread and yes that does make a lot of sense. Facebook is the new deal happening right now and it just makes sense to go where there are 500 million daily users.

On my niche website I also integrated facebook comments so that it will show up on friends walls, and it also makes it easier for people to interact since they're already used to the facebook interface.

The thing with this is it's a JV launch that's coming up and I built up a product website to earn affiliate commissions. I don't believe people will go to facebook and search for the product's name I am promoting, but I'm not completely counting out Facebook.

I just think for this particular scenario it's best to rank with papa G to get maximum traffic.

As far as a general product like say a tennis training guide, then yes it would be best to write articles pertaining to Tennis and getting the conversation going, adding tons of value, giving away free content, and then in a month or so once you've built up a following and tons of trust to ease the sales pitch in.

I appreciate your feedback though man!

ChrisAlta · 05-25-2011, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. E

First off, congrats on making the first page of the Big G after only two weeks, that could change though, so be prepared for that. I think you are going about your backlinks in a good way and if you stick to it you should rise in the rankings.

As far as google to re-cache your website, what I have seen lately is that at least for the homepage it does it within a day if I make changes to the description or title for websites that I update on a continual basis. As for the websites that I don't update, I have no idea, simply because I don't update them and don't look.

What I do know is that the websites I update more often get crawled much more than others. The ones I don't update can go days without being visited by google. The ones I do update on a near daily basis (they have lots of content as well) get visited many times a day by googles spiders.

Hmm interesting, maybe I'll try that out. I've been learning internet marketing for about 5 months now and I think I focused too much on the technical stuff, now I realize I have to focus at what I'm good at and just outsource the rest. Although it saves to know the technical stuff, time is money, and it's best to just focus at what I'm good at.

I'll definitely tweak some things and see what happens, cheers!

strategic seo services · 05-25-2011, 05:22 PM

Ever since the Panda Update, my rankings have increased.

Rollmodl · 05-25-2011, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisAlta

Warriors!

So here's my question: How long does it usually take Google to re-cache your website? (re-crawl, index, whatever you want to call it)

And is the backlinking strategy I'm using effective? Any suggestions or tips would be greatly appreciated!

You can use MS (Market Samurai to check when your site was last re-cache). Your back-linking strategy is completely effective because its a long term, high quality strategy, not quick solutions or band-aids like many of the link packages offered.

ChrisAlta · 05-25-2011, 06:24 PM

Thanks a lot Rollmodl!

The thing is since it's long term I'm not sure it'll be effective enough come launch date, launch date comes in about 13 days..so hopefully I get my rankings up by then!

And yeah my buddy has market samurai, I've checked it out and it's definitely a useful tool but not completely necessary. Appreciate the feedback though! cheers!

05-25-2011, 03:18 PM	#1
ChrisAlta HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cali Posts: 170 Thanks: 12 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings? Warriors! About 2 weeks ago I built my jv affiliate niche website and my website is CONTENT RICH. I mean my on page SEO is absolutely crushing all of my competitors, I'm talking the keyword density and over all optimization is GOLD. Here's the thing.. I'm ranking #7? I don't have any backlinks besides a few pointing directly to my niche website and here's the reason I'm not doing that based off of what I've heard from other marketers. Reason: When you point a ton of backlinks (high quality or low quality PR's) directly at a brand new website, Google's new panda update has thrown up the red flag because it looks unnatural. With that being said I am indexed in Google with the #7 ranking but I am not "Sandboxed" which is good. The backlinking strategy I'm currently using is to create a barrier of high PR websites like Squidoo, Hubpages, EzineArticles, ArticleBlast, Tumblr, Blogger, and wordpress.com surrounding my niche site. In turn I've linked these websites directly back to my JV niche site. Next I've outsourced mass article submissions to thousands of article directories with the links pointing at the outer barrier (the squidoo, hubpages, EzineArticles, etc..) which in turn should pass the link juice through to my niche site. The reason I did this is because these high PR sites are established and can handle that amount of links coming in all at one time, and Google won't raise a red flag. After all of this has been done I go to Google and check the last time I've been cached and it was on May 20th? So here's my question: How long does it usually take Google to re-cache your website? (re-crawl, index, whatever you want to call it) And is the backlinking strategy I'm using effective? Any suggestions or tips would be greatly appreciated!

05-25-2011, 03:20 PM	#2
Shazia Mirza Traffic Buying Montage!!! War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 502 Thanks: 9 Thanked 66 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings? There are two types of reindexes from big G. Ones the small one that is always happening. They crawl one or two pages of your site. Then there is the big one that happens once every 2 - 3 weeks. This one will crawl your entire site, to the best of the GoogleBot's ability. That is what I was taught, others might have something else to say.
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05-25-2011, 03:46 PM	#3
Mr. E Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 52 Thanks: 4 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings? First off, congrats on making the first page of the Big G after only two weeks, that could change though, so be prepared for that. I think you are going about your backlinks in a good way and if you stick to it you should rise in the rankings. As far as google to re-cache your website, what I have seen lately is that at least for the homepage it does it within a day if I make changes to the description or title for websites that I update on a continual basis. As for the websites that I don't update, I have no idea, simply because I don't update them and don't look. What I do know is that the websites I update more often get crawled much more than others. The ones I don't update can go days without being visited by google. The ones I do update on a near daily basis (they have lots of content as well) get visited many times a day by googles spiders.

05-25-2011, 04:02 PM	#4
ChrisAlta HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cali Posts: 170 Thanks: 12 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings? So do you think I should just tweak my homepage every so often to get crawled often?

05-25-2011, 04:06 PM	#5
dvduval phpLD master War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 3,119 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 49 Thanked 334 Times in 273 Posts Social Networking	Re: Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings? I'm reaching a point where many of my websites have a critical mass and I just don't depend on google anymore. I can send an email and get more traffic or post on facebook and get more traffic. If google wants to help out, great!. If not, they are just one piece of the puzzle, and really that is the way it should be anyway. Here is a WF thread where I talked a little about that.
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05-25-2011, 05:08 PM	#6
ChrisAlta HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cali Posts: 170 Thanks: 12 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings? Hey dvduval, Thanks for the feedback, just checked out your thread and yes that does make a lot of sense. Facebook is the new deal happening right now and it just makes sense to go where there are 500 million daily users. On my niche website I also integrated facebook comments so that it will show up on friends walls, and it also makes it easier for people to interact since they're already used to the facebook interface. The thing with this is it's a JV launch that's coming up and I built up a product website to earn affiliate commissions. I don't believe people will go to facebook and search for the product's name I am promoting, but I'm not completely counting out Facebook. I just think for this particular scenario it's best to rank with papa G to get maximum traffic. As far as a general product like say a tennis training guide, then yes it would be best to write articles pertaining to Tennis and getting the conversation going, adding tons of value, giving away free content, and then in a month or so once you've built up a following and tons of trust to ease the sales pitch in. I appreciate your feedback though man!

05-25-2011, 05:22 PM	#8
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05-25-2011, 06:24 PM	#10
ChrisAlta HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cali Posts: 170 Thanks: 12 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Google Panda Update Hating On Your Rankings? Thanks a lot Rollmodl! The thing is since it's long term I'm not sure it'll be effective enough come launch date, launch date comes in about 13 days..so hopefully I get my rankings up by then! And yeah my buddy has market samurai, I've checked it out and it's definitely a useful tool but not completely necessary. Appreciate the feedback though! cheers!