Google Reverse Engineered

Stuart Macfarlane · 06-13-2011, 04:20 PM

Hi Guys,

Just seen a webinar reply that was hosted by Nate of www.nicheatms.com and pulled some amazing stats out of it that he personally reverse engineered from Google!

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Stats are based on checking 17446 websites shown in the top 100 google results on 1/11/2010.

Does having the keyword in the subdomain increase ranking? YES

Does having the domain start with the keyword increase ranking? YES

Does having a .org domain extension increase ranking? YES "un-like .com which is neutral in comparison"

Does having a URL longer than 100 charectors increase ranking? YES

Does having a - after your keyword in the domain increase ranking? YES

Does having a - before your keyword in the domain increase ranking? YES

Does having the domain start with the keyword followed by . increase ranking? YES "aka keyword followed by domain extension"

Jeffrey Reidy · 06-13-2011, 04:34 PM

URL > 100 characters? Interesting. Not sure I buy it, but interesting nonetheless.

Stuart Macfarlane · 06-13-2011, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Reidy

URL > 100 characters? Interesting. Not sure I buy it, but interesting nonetheless.

His research was based on real life stats scraped from google searches so I buy it 100%

The 100 char domain also made me question it but turns out 100 char domains have many keyword combinations both long tail and short tail thus increased ranking ...

pdrs · 06-13-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Reidy

URL > 100 characters? Interesting. Not sure I buy it, but interesting nonetheless.

Yeah that's a weird one, I've heard all of that stuff before and don't usually pay much attention (and probably won't about the URL length either) but it's just weird.

Stuart Macfarlane · 06-13-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrs

Yeah that's a weird one, I've heard all of that stuff before and don't usually pay much attention (and probably won't about the URL length either) but it's just weird.

It's based on you yourself doing 17k + searchs and looking for correlations in the top 100... Can't see how it could not be correct.

Ben Armstrong · 06-13-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Macfarlane

It's based on you yourself doing 17k + searchs and looking for correlations in the top 100... Can't see how it could not be correct.

Were backlinks taken into account? I'd find it hard to believe someone could possibly check them all to see the effect it had on rankings.

And if they haven't been taken into account then the results can't be taken as gospel.

Very interesting none the less

alcymart · 06-13-2011, 04:44 PM

I also have doubts on the 100 characters. Probably meant long Tail keyword in domain. The hyphen I knew already, but thanks for the info...

Bernard St-Pierre

Stuart Macfarlane · 06-13-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Armstrong

Were backlinks taken into account? I'd find it hard to believe someone could possibly check them all to see the effect it had on rankings.

And if they haven't been taken into account then the results can't be taken as gospel.

Very interesting none the less

Purely based on each individual question so take each question and check 17k searchs and correlate results for that question alone.

In which case backlinks we're not. and its been previously proven that a site with 0 backlinks can get #1 ranking on Google

thunderbird · 06-13-2011, 04:47 PM

These kinds of things fluctuate and get seriously affected by Google's periodic and abrupt algorithm changes. Maybe this kind of report will influence when it happens.

Stuart Macfarlane · 06-13-2011, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderbird

These kinds of things fluctuate and get seriously affected by Google's periodic and abrupt algorithm changes. Maybe this kind of report will influence when it happens.

Hes runs his stats software daily by the looks but its not available to anyone except himself... He only showed a few questions too as detailed above.

chimehost · 06-13-2011, 04:52 PM

this is from 1/11/2010. How is this even helpful in 2011?

Stuart Macfarlane · 06-13-2011, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chimehost

this is from 1/11/2010. How is this even helpful in 2011?

The changes Google have publically made know don't seem to have effected the above questions so while what you say its valid its also invalid in that some of the above statistics still apply!

Girard · 10-24-2011, 10:15 PM

Joined nicheatms in the summer of 2010. Once I got in and saw the horrible, circa 2002 websites/templates the software built (after learning how to make them) I decided a refund was due. The price was $10k (I chose a much lower monthly option).

Now I see he has nicheatms2 out (email from John Jonas) and don't know much about it. Can only guess the sites look the same and the price is extreme. Email said a partner is earning $30k a month but Jonas never said he joined. Probably earns great commission if the price is similar.

I will say the research (nicheatms) is interesting and makes sense, but you have to take his word for it unless you have done testing yourself.

Bottom line, for $10K I want 2011 looking sites with an income guarantee.

a2z · 10-25-2011, 03:50 AM

Thanks Girard for you comments.

I just got the NicheATMs offer tonight, for a webinar tomorrow.

They are asking that we select a niche prior to the 2 hour webinar
........and if we are lucky to be chosen we might be able to join.

onpoint · 10-28-2011, 03:18 PM

"and if we are lucky to be chosen we might be able to join." yeah and only 12 can join...LOL!

I am on the webinar now, I like the idea but why do they have to use those old pressure selling tricks?

onpoint · 10-28-2011, 03:25 PM

Found this link: Scam Checker Report: niche atms Nathan Anderson and Niche ATMs scam

And this one: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...k-his-s-t.html

I wonder if these bad post are just from competitors, etc and Nathan A. is the real deal and this is a good one? It's price structure now is pretty good IMO. I have no idea about this NicheATM2.

uktoner · 10-28-2011, 05:16 PM

good work from some methods i am satisfied but from not all

terrapurus · 10-28-2011, 09:00 PM

Given the number of variables in the ranking algorithm, if you wanted to formulate a statistical test to identify what effect a single variable has, then you would need a sample size into the tens of millions.

The only thing analyzing 17000 will give you is statistical noise.

Add on to this the fact that the algorithm changes regularly, any analysis has a shelf life that can be measured in days.

Bottom line, if you paid for this you wasted your money.

JR-TX · 03-21-2012, 06:29 PM

Thanks Girard for your insight! I am so thankful to guys like you who have enough forethought to give everyone else a "heads up" on B-S like Niche ATM's so that I don't take the bait on worms who try to steal our money one more time! You're the MAN! Thanks again - JR-TX

retsek · 03-21-2012, 06:55 PM

2010 ? It's 2012, mate.
I hope you didn't pay for this webinar.

06-13-2011, 04:20 PM	#1
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06-13-2011, 04:34 PM	#2
Jeffrey Reidy Social Marketer War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: United States Posts: 401 Thanks: 355 Thanked 107 Times in 91 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Google Reverse Engineered URL > 100 characters? Interesting. Not sure I buy it, but interesting nonetheless.

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10-24-2011, 10:15 PM	#13
Girard Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Google Reverse Engineered Joined nicheatms in the summer of 2010. Once I got in and saw the horrible, circa 2002 websites/templates the software built (after learning how to make them) I decided a refund was due. The price was $10k (I chose a much lower monthly option). Now I see he has nicheatms2 out (email from John Jonas) and don't know much about it. Can only guess the sites look the same and the price is extreme. Email said a partner is earning $30k a month but Jonas never said he joined. Probably earns great commission if the price is similar. I will say the research (nicheatms) is interesting and makes sense, but you have to take his word for it unless you have done testing yourself. Bottom line, for $10K I want 2011 looking sites with an income guarantee.

10-25-2011, 03:50 AM	#14
a2z Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 58 Thanks: 20 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Google Reverse Engineered Thanks Girard for you comments. I just got the NicheATMs offer tonight, for a webinar tomorrow. They are asking that we select a niche prior to the 2 hour webinar ........and if we are lucky to be chosen we might be able to join.

10-28-2011, 03:18 PM	#15
onpoint HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 306 Thanks: 34 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Google Reverse Engineered "and if we are lucky to be chosen we might be able to join." yeah and only 12 can join...LOL! I am on the webinar now, I like the idea but why do they have to use those old pressure selling tricks?
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10-28-2011, 03:25 PM	#16
onpoint HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 306 Thanks: 34 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Google Reverse Engineered Found this link: Scam Checker Report: niche atms Nathan Anderson and Niche ATMs scam And this one: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...k-his-s-t.html I wonder if these bad post are just from competitors, etc and Nathan A. is the real deal and this is a good one? It's price structure now is pretty good IMO. I have no idea about this NicheATM2.
	Mike HireTraffic.com

10-28-2011, 05:16 PM	#17
uktoner Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Google Reverse Engineered good work from some methods i am satisfied but from not all

10-28-2011, 09:00 PM	#18
terrapurus HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 315 Thanks: 10 Thanked 53 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Google Reverse Engineered Given the number of variables in the ranking algorithm, if you wanted to formulate a statistical test to identify what effect a single variable has, then you would need a sample size into the tens of millions. The only thing analyzing 17000 will give you is statistical noise. Add on to this the fact that the algorithm changes regularly, any analysis has a shelf life that can be measured in days. Bottom line, if you paid for this you wasted your money.

03-21-2012, 06:29 PM	#19
JR-TX Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Google Reverse Engineered Thanks Girard for your insight! I am so thankful to guys like you who have enough forethought to give everyone else a "heads up" on B-S like Niche ATM's so that I don't take the bait on worms who try to steal our money one more time! You're the MAN! Thanks again - JR-TX

03-21-2012, 06:55 PM	#20
retsek Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,013 Thanks: 6 Thanked 294 Times in 172 Posts	Re: Google Reverse Engineered 2010 ? It's 2012, mate. I hope you didn't pay for this webinar.