Since Panda... Is Your SEO Kung Fu Strong?

[Mr Marketer]

Well... My SEO Kung Fu has not been lately =( The methods I have used don't seem to be as effective when targeting non local phrases.

For the past 2 years, after making sure the on page SEO is good to go - I've used a combination of High PR Backlinks, Social Bookmarking, Article & Video Submissions, Social Bookmarking etc. Generally this would yield pretty measurable results. My team has helped over 100+ sites get to page one.

Since Panda I don't see the same type of results as I did previously. I realize that quality content is key but other than submitting quality content to high authority blogs & article directories what other off page SEO can be done (content wise or other) to increase the rankings of a website? Especially for websites where I can't continually update the content.

Is anyone else experiencing this? I gotta be missing something here!

[xylement]

I'm facing the same problem... I did everything else really good except quality and unique content. The result is not as good as previously... I need some guide here too!

[rahmanpaidar]

You are right.
I have the same problem too. Things are getting harder and harder.

Panda ruined lots of bussiness and internet reputations.

[xxxJamesxxx]

Tell me about it

...Just really glad I diversified my business and not Google depended as I use to be.

Saying that though, I've noticed sales have gone down

James

[nicktyler]

Certainly is getting harder. It's like there is nothing left. How is the Panda algorithm judging sites if it is deeming everything SEO as worthless or bad? I suppose we should just do what we know but more manually and uniquely.

[Mr Marketer]

Thanks for all the replies.... Are there any SEO ninja's out there that have found strategies that work?

[mattlaclear]

My kung fu is still strong.

[imback]

Panda helps the people who did it right...

plan and simply just make google happy lol]


CHAD

[masterjani]

pyramid structures are still going strong.Diversify the link building

[mattlaclear]

We use our own blog network of 3000 sites to backlink from. Pretty simple system once you have everything set up.

[vvsingh]

You can use link wheel technique. It is quite effective as it helps get contextual high quality back links. create Squiddo lenses. If possible use profile linking and use link bait and see your site soaring to the top again.

[gearmonkey]

Originally Posted by imback

Panda helps the people who did it right...

plan and simply just make google happy lol]


CHAD

I am here to debunk this theory. His comment is the farthest thing from the truth. There are lots of sites who "did it right", and have taken HUGE hits. Me included.

[veenafurtado]

Quality and unique content....
that's my key to ranking on Google page 1.

[gearmonkey]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

We use our own blog network of 3000 sites to backlink from. Pretty simple system once you have everything set up.

So you are saying your method has actually gotten people out of the panda pit and back on track as if there was no panda hit? Do you have proof?

[gearmonkey]

Originally Posted by veenafurtado

Quality and unique content....
that's my key to ranking on Google page 1.

You weren't hit by Panda then, because if you were, your quality and unique content wouldn't rank. Many have been hit, some have not. You sound like the 'have not' category.

[Mr Marketer]

Originally Posted by vvsingh

You can use link wheel technique. It is quite effective as it helps get contextual high quality back links. create Squiddo lenses. If possible use profile linking and use link bait and see your site soaring to the top again.

I don't know... I've used link wheels for years now but since panda I have not seen the same result since. Profile linking seems pretty ineffective too but can you explain how you are utilizing link baiting?

Thanks!

[Mr Marketer]

Originally Posted by veenafurtado

Quality and unique content....
that's my key to ranking on Google page 1.

Yeah, I agree that quality content is key but as I mentioned in my original post... WHERE are you posting the content(other than your website)? Blogs? Article directories? It seems to matter more now where you are posting than before panda.

[gearmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mr Marketer

Well... My SEO Kung Fu has not been lately =( The methods I have used don't seem to be as effective when targeting non local phrases.

For the past 2 years, after making sure the on page SEO is good to go - I've used a combination of High PR Backlinks, Social Bookmarking, Article & Video Submissions, Social Bookmarking etc. Generally this would yield pretty measurable results. My team has helped over 100+ sites get to page one.

Since Panda I don't see the same type of results as I did previously. I realize that quality content is key but other than submitting quality content to high authority blogs & article directories what other off page SEO can be done (content wise or other) to increase the rankings of a website? Especially for websites where I can't continually update the content.

Is anyone else experiencing this? I gotta be missing something here!

This is a great thread. I really hope we can find a pattern. Problem is, nobody knows the impact of Panda unless they have been through it. It seems people posting in this thread have not suffered from Farmer/Panda,and think posting their everyday SEO strategy will solve the Panda issue...

Everyday strategies don't work if you been hit by Panda. Lots of good sites have been hit, everyone seems to have this fallacy that only 'bad sites' have been hit. That's so far from the truth.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

We use our own blog network of 3000 sites to backlink from. Pretty simple system once you have everything set up.

Simple things are best, aren't they?

Paul

[Mr Marketer]

Originally Posted by paulgl

Simple things are best, aren't they?

Paul

But see, I don't think blog network backlinks are the holy grail here either. I've ordered a couple of those packages & all the keywords that were optimized have since fallen off of Google months later.

[Mr Marketer]

What about for websites where you can't update the content as frequently like a blog.... What then? Is it best to submit fresh content to high authority blogs/article directories w/your anchor text?

[Mr Marketer]

Nobody want's to kick in their 2 cents on what's actually working for them POST Panda?

Really???

[Rich Struck]

Originally Posted by Mr Marketer

Nobody want's to kick in their 2 cents on what's actually working for them POST Panda?

Really???

Loads of original content which is exclusive to your site. Don't worry about link schemes. Build HUGE sites. Google needs to eat, feed it. If you can't really add on to your site, build HUGE feeder sites instead. If you can't do that then get a job at McDonald's.

[gearmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rich Struck

Loads of original content which is exclusive to your site. Don't worry about link schemes. Build HUGE sites. Google needs to eat, feed it. If you can't really add on to your site, build HUGE feeder sites instead. If you can't do that then get a job at McDonald's.

So the solution to Panda is to post 10+ unique 700+ word articles per day?

5-7 articles per week isn't good enough anymore? If the solution to fix Panda penalties is to pump out articles, why demand webmaster to post an ungodly amount of content? High-volume lowers quality = more junk get published. I thought Google's goal was to shed the garbage content online?

I only post one article per day because A LOT of research and effort goes into it. Fact checking takes time, keeping up with breaking news takes time... so if Google wants me to produce crap, ruin my credibility so I can get traffic, what's the point?

[dagaul101]

Since Panda it is getting tougher to get ranked especially for competitve terms, you could also try press releases, the search engines still respect them, even more so than article directories

[coronaborcalis]

The last 7 June my site drop like a stone in ranking and gone from SERP. After sending reconsidering letter to google my site back to SERP and placed like it used to be. After that I realize that I have to find another way to get traffic not just rely on Google even Google is the awesome resource for targeted traffic. Since my site is in health industry so my idea to gain traffic is to ask guest posting from the authority site in this case maybe mayoclinic will yield cool result. Yes I know it takes hard work but I will have good night sleep without worrying where my site rank on SERP because I have ton of referral traffic from big site

[Mr Marketer]

Originally Posted by Rich Struck

Loads of original content which is exclusive to your site. Don't worry about link schemes. Build HUGE sites. Google needs to eat, feed it. If you can't really add on to your site, build HUGE feeder sites instead. If you can't do that then get a job at McDonald's.

Then how would that work on client websites that don't have a huge site, or want a ton of content? I realize quality content is crucial, now more than ever but there's got to be more to it than just that.

I like the press release idea mentioned above, at least that way I don't have to add a ton of unwanted content to my clients sites, hopefully I'll see an increase in serps from it.

[gbarrows31]

What a Great post. And yes since panda I have had a site hold strong for a nice competitive keyword, How To Make Money On Craigslist .. I'm right under the 2 videos, the 6th website, it gets a ton of traffic and not to mention the program just works. So yes simple on page and off page SEO does work. You done have to get crazy. I wrote a couple articles, posted on a couple blogs , paid for a small back-link boost and did some on page keyword SEO. The results speak for themselves. You can rank, it can be done you just have to get your hand a little dirty and Google will wash them off for you :O)

To check out the site, Google , How to make money on Craigslist, I'm the one right under the 2 videos. How To Make Money On Craigslist

[Andrewsmith]

I have been building links submitting articles but there has been no improvement any suggestions.

[amoeba]

Originally Posted by Mr Marketer

Well... My SEO Kung Fu has not been lately =( The methods I have used don't seem to be as effective when targeting non local phrases.

For the past 2 years, after making sure the on page SEO is good to go - I've used a combination of High PR Backlinks, Social Bookmarking, Article & Video Submissions, Social Bookmarking etc. Generally this would yield pretty measurable results. My team has helped over 100+ sites get to page one.

Since Panda I don't see the same type of results as I did previously. I realize that quality content is key but other than submitting quality content to high authority blogs & article directories what other off page SEO can be done (content wise or other) to increase the rankings of a website? Especially for websites where I can't continually update the content.

Is anyone else experiencing this? I gotta be missing something here!

i saw panda effect on 2 sites which were slick and had weak backlink profile. i used to rank easily with these linking methods for long time but seems like panda eat it..
but rest of my sites are sti;; holding their positions strongly or even improved in some cases....i have recently posted a thread here about my success ...have a look
Site back on 3rd position after panda update..Here is how...

[aryangarg]

panda ****ed me very badly . 50% to 60% of search engine traffic vanished completely

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

So you are saying your method has actually gotten people out of the panda pit and back on track as if there was no panda hit? Do you have proof?

We're grabbing 20 page one rankings a day for Warriors. We also have enough testimonials to choke a rhino with. Would that be proof enough? Whether they were in the "Panda Pit" before working with me means very little.

[Shadowflux]

I actually wrote a 20 page report about the Panda update. If anyone wants a free copy just send me a pm

[Ray Jonnes]

All my crapblogs with rsstopost content gone to 0 traff )) and all unique content blogs even dont changed ranks. Conclusion - if your seo is ok you will be ok

[Jake Gray]

Hey there,

Although I don't share industry secrets (for this very reason), I'll give
some light on this subject. I've been noticing great results from domains
that are older than 3 months. Also, Keyword density is around 2-5%. I
often add new content to the site because I constantly notice a huge jump
within SERPS whenever I add a new piece of content.

[Mr Marketer]

Originally Posted by amoeba

i saw panda effect on 2 sites which were slick and had weak backlink profile. i used to rank easily with these linking methods for long time but seems like panda eat it..
but rest of my sites are sti;; holding their positions strongly or even improved in some cases....i have recently posted a thread here about my success ...have a look
Site back on 3rd position after panda update..Here is how...

Thanks that's a good post

[gearmonkey]

For those who lost 50% plus traffic since panda, how is your sites peed?

use this tool to check:
Page Speed Online

I am curious because my site was dangerously low, I improved it my stie from 47 out of 100 to 82 out of a 100 scale. I am hoping this reflects in SERPs.

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Kung Fu is crap, my SEO Jiu-Jitsu is lethal

[Mr Marketer]

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

Kung Fu is crap, my SEO Jiu-Jitsu is lethal

Were you planning on contributing to this thread, or just blatantly self promoting?

[mark1230]

Well i don't think that link wheel works now, besides it results quality has been decreased as compared to past.Google is focusing on removing content farms from serps instead of matching and verifying it.

[thegotoguy]

My store dropped from around #5 on page one completely off of the map. I think it fell to like page 10 or something. I just opened up Internet Explorer (logged out of google) and checked for my main keyphrase and I'm at least back to page 2. But my sales didn't drop off at all during that time. Of course i do have a ton of return visitors, so maybe that's why I didn't see much of a conversion difference.

It's nice to be back toward page one, I'll wait it out a while before changing anything.

[Southernstorm]

mattlaclear says: "We're grabbing 20 page one rankings a day for Warriors. We also have enough testimonials to choke a rhino with. Would that be proof enough? Whether they were in the "Panda Pit" before working with me means very little."

Can you give us the links or solid proof of the past months of those 20 page one rankings a day? We need very recent references.

[friedman]

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

For those who lost 50% plus traffic since panda, how is your sites peed?

use this tool to check:
Page Speed Online

I am curious because my site was dangerously low, I improved it my stie from 47 out of 100 to 82 out of a 100 scale. I am hoping this reflects in SERPs.

I took an across the board 75 position drop EACH for 125 keywords when webmaster tools told me my site speed went from 1.5 sec to 10 sec. You can bet your A$$ I fixed that ASAP with WP supercache and db cache reloaded fix. Now I'm just waiting for big g to remeasure. I get a 92 out of 100 on google page speed now.

[thegotoguy]

I found out this morning that Google is being investigated by the FTC for their business practices. Subpoenas are to be issued any day now. They are being accused of abusing their web dominance with search results and advertising. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Do you think this has anything to do with the Panda Algorithm Update?

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Southernstorm

mattlaclear says: "We're grabbing 20 page one rankings a day for Warriors. We also have enough testimonials to choke a rhino with. Would that be proof enough? Whether they were in the "Panda Pit" before working with me means very little."

Can you give us the links or solid proof of the past months of those 20 page one rankings a day? We need very recent references.

Just read my threads. They come in every day. Besides why do I need to prove anything to you? I'm not trying to sell anything on this thread. OP asked a question and I answered it.

[Vish]

Better than ever...
What's a Panda to a Lion? lol

If you have a good link profile and don't rely only on low quality links - no worries in the long run. Might have a little backtracking here and there but it's all good...

I know some peeps that got hit and others not so much.

[kposs]

I use article distribution to private blog networks as the basis for backlinks. Across the sites I monitor, the rankings are holding well and in most cases increasing faster than ever. You get a high quantity of quality backlinks if you do article distribution correctly.

[Southernstorm]

mattlaclear to me: "Just read my threads. They come in every day. Besides why do I need to prove anything to you? I'm not trying to sell anything on this thread. OP asked a question and I answered it."

Hey, why do you have to proof anything to anyone who is considering to make use of your services, right? You don't need their business! Your arrogance and lack of respect to fellow warriors is second to none, I have watched the way you respond on this forum. You're the man, right!
Hey, to get any website on the no 1 spot on Google is one thing, to keep it there is another thing - your outrageous price structure can't even guarantee to keep us there because after 90 days it's goodbye, and "why do I have to proof I can keep you there, besides, it's not my problem", right? No, you don't have to proof a thing because you're the man! For the moment anyway because don't be surprised if someone comes along very soon to offer an even better and friendly service with a reasonable price structure and ongoing support to maintain that great position on the search engines. Watch this forum closely .

[Mr Marketer]

Originally Posted by Southernstorm

mattlaclear to me: "Just read my threads. They come in every day. Besides why do I need to prove anything to you? I'm not trying to sell anything on this thread. OP asked a question and I answered it."

Hey, why do you have to proof anything to anyone who considered to make use of your services, right? You don't need their business! Your arrogance and lack of respect to fellow warriors is second to none, I have watched the way you respond on this forum. You're the man, right!
Hey, to get any website on the no 1 spot on Google is one thing, to keep it there is another thing - your outrageous price structure can't even guarantee to keep us there, after 90 days it's goodbye, and "why do I have to proof I can keep you there", right? No, you don't have to proof a thing because you're the man! For the moment anyway because don't be surprised if someone came along very soon to offer even a better and friendly service with reasonable prices and ongoing support to maintain that great positions on the search engines... watch this forum closely .

Matt has a lot of customers regardless of what you think about his attitude or arrogance. To each his own.

I'm trying to keep this thread helpful to the forum community and get some answers to questions a lot of us have. The less irrelevant posts people have to read though the better don't you think?

[tom4business]

Hey Matt,

You may want to check out this latest WBF from SEOMoz.

Rand Fishkin is usually an advocate for holistic SEO, something which is not easy to implement in IM projects or small size SEO projects.

But if what he says is true, SEO is going to be really costly and we may not be able to survive with just "unique content" or by building high PR links. There will be lot of emphasis on web design and usability, bounce rate, social signals, and they way readers share stuffs.

BTW, I've replied to your email now.

Tom

Originally Posted by Mr Marketer

Matt has a lot of customers regardless of what you think about his attitude or arrogance. To each his own.

I'm trying to keep this thread helpful to the forum community and get some answers to questions a lot of us have. The less irrelevant posts people have to read though the better don't you think?