Linkvana vs. Build My Rank vs. SEO Linkvine vs. Article Ranks Pro- Rankings Update 8/11

[theverysmartguy]

Oh, one more thing that I forgot; most people know this already, but I will say it again:

The competition of your chosen keywords will determine the effectiveness of your back linking strategies.

[consultant1027]

This is very informative and interesting. I was reading some other BMR related threads and there seems to be a significant concern that using BMR is risky for future updates to the Google algo. Some people reported penalization using BMR post-Panda but this thread contradicts that which leads me to believe many people using BR are probably doing other grey/black hat things and they can't be sure what caused the penalty and due to timing just assumed it was BMR?

Doesn't using BMR technically go against Google's Webmaster Guidelines?

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by consultant1027

Doesn't using BMR technically go against Google's Webmaster Guidelines?

Technically creating back links of ANY kind in hopes of having an EFFECT on your google ranking goes against the guidelines. They want "natural" linking. Are they blind to what people do? Of course not. This is why it is always in a persons best interest to build your links slowly to start, and build up as time goes on.

-- Jeff

[netprospector]

If you don't mind me asking. What kind of competition did the keywords have? Search volume, number of uniques, etc?

[netprospector]

Originally Posted by theverysmartguy

Technically creating back links of ANY kind in hopes of having an EFFECT on your google ranking goes against the guidelines. They want "natural" linking. Are they blind to what people do? Of course not. This is why it is always in a persons best interest to build your links slowly to start, and build up as time goes on.

-- Jeff

Jeff,

For a relatively new site, any feedback on what is enough to make a difference without being too much. One of the things that concerns me with BMR is being able to write or pay for enough content to make it worth while. In theory you could have 10 posts per domain per day. That sounds intimidating to me but that may be overkill for the first month or two. Any thoughts?

That is one of the reasons I don't think Google would as likely to penalize BMR as other approaches, if BMR enforces their guidelines that is a lot of unique content.

I am hoping we get an update on the test that started this thread and some feedback on the cost/effort involved with the different services for content creation. I think that is an important factor.

Ed

[netprospector]

Originally Posted by netprospector

I just signed up for BMR. Looks promising. One thing I noticed is that each post i make will get one post on their network. My understanding is that with the 5 domain plan they will post up to 10 per day per domain meaning theoretically 1500 links or 300 per domain in a month. Other than possible concerns over looking unnatural it would seem that the limiting factor may be the making/paying for the posts to be created. Paying for the content creation may cost many times the monthly service.

I am not sure how linkvana treats this. It seems some of the services like AMA or UAW may allow for more links for less authoring effort/cost. I believe that UAW wants three copies of the same article (but at least 400 words) that they spin out to multiple sites on a paragraph basis. I am not sure how that affects the link quality or effectiveness vs. more original content.

In the test it would be good to summarize the effort/cost of the authoring involved.

BTW as stated above I started my BMR trial today. Any advice or resources for how to best utilize it. Things like many posts on few keywords or many keywords with a few posts each, etc. How much is too much. Any good outsourcers to recommend, etc.

Some Results from my BMR trial:

For my trial I have 5 posts on one keyword, 3 on another, and one each on 2 other keywords.

For the one with 5 posts. It averages 33K searches month, 413 unique websites. Today I popped from not being in the top 200 to #13 on Google.

The 3 post keyword which averages 12K monthly searches and 462 unique sites went from 78 to 24 in the last couple of days.

If these seem to stick over the next few days I will definitely continue with a 5 domain subscription.

[charlotteroofers]

I am in the competitive roofing business and need to be number one on google, bing and yahoo. I use boostability now and it seems to be doing ok but there is alot of crap built into the software too. somebody who know better pm with some assistance and real life experience and recommendations on what to do.

[Kysersoze]

Any results on Article Ranks? OP never came back with those findings and I am interested in his test on AR.

[netprospector]

I too am curious how the test is going.

[netprospector]

It looks like this thread has kind of died out. I was interested in the results. As for my own BMR trial, I did 5 domains for a month after the trial and I think I will be cancelling. I had some OK results in that I did see target keywords get to the second or third page. However this was not my only linking activity so it is not scientific.

I think my biggest problem with BMR is that it is one link for a 150 word article and my links are 37.5% PR 1, 25% PR 2 (so 62.5% PR 1 or 2). 13% PR 3 and only 8.5% PR4. So while the service is only fifty bucks a month the cost or time of the content is prohibitive (at least for me) and I did not fully utilize it because of that. In theory you could have nearly 1500 links a month generated over 5 domains but at 2.50 an article (their outsource writing price) that would be $3750 dollars in writing (even at .10 a word it would be expensive) or more hours than i have to spend and they say they don't allow spinning or anything like that (I did not test that restriction). Frankly it seems a lot of time or expense for links that are mostly PR 1 and 2. I think my writing budget whether in time or dollars can probably be spent better elsewhere.

One question I asked earlier and never saw an answer for was how the other services like linkvana compared from a content creation cost?

Are there any other services that are effective and better leverage my content creation budget? I wonder if something like Unique Article Wizard or a similar service might provide more links for the same amount of content creation.

[Han Fan]

Originally Posted by packerfan

BMR isn't a magic bullet, but it does give you high PR contextual backlinks. The sites that I use it on have not been "sandboxed"

Lots of people see success getting out of the sandbox by continually getting high PR links. Easiest/best way I know of to get them is BMR.

To get out sandbox, you need diversity of links increase, domain, and # of links increase... in a constant rate...


Han

[FragrantBodyOilz]

Interested in any updates?

[jonoman1]

Amazing how most of these SEO case studies are started with good intentions but then the OP loses rankings or interest or for whatever reason stops updating us once. I would love to hear how the OP is doing now with the ranking results.

[mosthost]

Originally Posted by jonoman1

Amazing how most of these SEO case studies are started with good intentions but then the OP loses rankings or interest or for whatever reason stops updating us once. I would love to hear how the OP is doing now with the ranking results.

He probably moved on to greener pastures.

[bmcgoff]

Originally Posted by netprospector

It looks like this thread has kind of died out. I was interested in the results. As for my own BMR trial, I did 5 domains for a month after the trial and I think I will be cancelling. I had some OK results in that I did see target keywords get to the second or third page. However this was not my only linking activity so it is not scientific.

I think my biggest problem with BMR is that it is one link for a 150 word article and my links are 37.5% PR 1, 25% PR 2 (so 62.5% PR 1 or 2). 13% PR 3 and only 8.5% PR4. So while the service is only fifty bucks a month the cost or time of the content is prohibitive (at least for me) and I did not fully utilize it because of that. In theory you could have nearly 1500 links a month generated over 5 domains but at 2.50 an article (their outsource writing price) that would be $3750 dollars in writing (even at .10 a word it would be expensive) or more hours than i have to spend and they say they don't allow spinning or anything like that (I did not test that restriction). Frankly it seems a lot of time or expense for links that are mostly PR 1 and 2. I think my writing budget whether in time or dollars can probably be spent better elsewhere.

One question I asked earlier and never saw an answer for was how the other services like linkvana compared from a content creation cost?

Are there any other services that are effective and better leverage my content creation budget? I wonder if something like Unique Article Wizard or a similar service might provide more links for the same amount of content creation.

I hear you on this. BMR is going great for me so far, and 150 words is pretty easy to write. But if you want to take full advantage and submit 50 posts a day, you need to outsource. The cheapest I've seen on here is .90 cents per post. This comes out to $1350/month if you outsourced all of your posts every day.

Not worth it to those of us who are starting out, especially if you are paying for other things every month (OnlyWire, SEO services, hosting, VAs, etc.).

[chini]

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