Linkvana vs. Build My Rank vs. SEO Linkvine vs. Article Ranks Pro- Rankings Update 8/11

[exodusms]

Linkvana vs. Build My Rank vs. SEO Linkvine vs. Article Ranks Pro

UPDATE 8/11 - FOR LATEST RANKINGS UPDATE PLEASE SCROLL DOWN TO MY LATEST POST OR CLICK THE LINK
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Like many of you SEO is a big part of my life. I have followed Warrior Forum for some time and had never actually contributed all that much. However, I then came across ElectronPlumbers thread about using Build My Rank and several other link building methods. I was then inspired to complete my own content network link building test.

I then researched a few of the top content networks available online. I had read a lot of mixed reviews and thought why not just take 3 of the top networks and try them out regardless of the reviews. To be honest I bet there are a lot of fake reviews from site owners or affiliates (both positive and negative). However, I wanted to set out to give each network a fresh unbiased test. While I am only testing 3 sites right now I will test a lot more in the future. My hope is to test 3 sites ever 2-3 months.

If you are anything like me the cynic in you is now asking what is this guys endgame, why would anyone share SEO tips that could be valuable. Call me an optimist but I believe there is enough room for all of us. As I share case studies and more information I hope other people will continue to share their case studies. Thus helping me in the long run…
For this round I will be testing Linkvana vs. Build My Rank vs. SEO Linkvine.


Test Set Up:

For my case study I will be testing 3 unique domains within a highly competitive niche. The keyword I am targeting has around 1,200-2,000 searches per month and is probably a niche most people are really competing for. I will not be sharing my actual domains or links because I fear Google slamming my test. Not that I feel I am doing anything wrong you just need to be careful. I am hosting these domains on a SEO host so that they have completely separate unique c-class servers. They are even located on servers that are across the Country.


On page Optimization: I will be performing basic on page optimization for each domain. I will include the specific keyword I am testing in the page title, description, content etc. However, I will try to keep all test pages equal so that there is no impact on the actual rankings.


Linkbuilding: For each domain I will be writing 3-6 articles every week for each network. I will be writing the articles myself to better track how much time/effort it takes to attain a certain ranking within a content network. These will hopefully help you better estimate your own time and effort it would take to attain a ranking.

I will try to report the PR of the article when it goes live but there is a good chance this might not be possible. As I dive deeper into the content networks I might add more reporting info.


Rankings: Every week I will be updating my actual rankings here on Warrior forum. I submitted my first batch of articles around the 17th so my first update of rankings will be coming around June 23rd.

Please let me know if there is any reporting you want to see and I might add it. Hit me up on twitter or check out my profile here.

[Vexo]

Sounds good. I am also testing out Linkvana at the moment will see how it goes. Looking forward to your results and good luck

[exodusms]

Originally Posted by Vexo

Sounds good. I am also testing out Linkvana at the moment will see how it goes. Looking forward to your results and good luck

That is fantastic, you should definitely share your results so we can see how they compare to what I see.

[Natlex]

Will be an intresting case study. I did it about 8 months ago and BMR was much better then linkvana so I predict BMR will be 1, linkvana 2 and seolinkvine 3 .

[dp40oz]

My prediction is BMR takes the cake by a long shot.

[PromoDirect]

I will be eager to check your case study. I checked all the three services... they all sounds interesting.

[packerfan]

I love these tests, hopefully you can keep us updated. I've had great luck with BMR, but haven't tried the others. All of these I've read though, BMR wins by a landslide. Will be interesting to see how yours turns out.

[mytoy78]

These experiments are great - tangible proof that BMR works...what I'm really interested in though is finding out what the 'minimum dose effectiveness' is for certain keywords on BMR.

I shall watch this thread eagerly.

mytoy78

[andrewellis3]

I'm just a mouse click away from joining BMR but is it me that thinks the more popular it gets the lower the page ranks will become from OBL'S, suppose thats just a thing that wil always happen.....I watch this thread with beady eyes

[RevSEO]

I'm looking forward to your results, I've personally used all of these services and I'm fairly certain I know whos gonna come out on top.

You may also want to add up the time involved with each service as well, since BMR requires unique content vs SEO Linkvine. I'd be curious to see the results with this info.

[MarksWineClub]

Rev,

That's a good point. Writing the 150 word snippets isn't that quick. 10 a day, 5 days a week is going to take a couple of hours or you're going to incur an additional cost.

That being said, results are results and BMR is priced fairly for what it does.

[OneManSEO]

I have found BMR to be useful, but not the end-all-be-all. I've had some high competitive keywords not budge, while others rise. I just use it as part of my overall link building strategy, one which didn't include BMR several months ago. I have found it shaves time off how long it takes to get ranked...that is worth the monthly subscription costs. My problem is I have 20 domains in their system and I absolutely do not want to expand to their 50 domain plan...

[exodusms]

Originally Posted by RevSEO

I'm looking forward to your results, I've personally used all of these services and I'm fairly certain I know whos gonna come out on top.

You may also want to add up the time involved with each service as well, since BMR requires unique content vs SEO Linkvine. I'd be curious to see the results with this info.

When I originally thought about the test I was actually going to base the linkbuilding on hours. However, I decided I would only base it on articles posted so they are all exactly even. Although I am spinning the linkvine articles before they are being submitted.

[packerfan]

Originally Posted by OneManSEO

I have found BMR to be useful, but not the end-all-be-all. I've had some high competitive keywords not budge, while others rise. I just use it as part of my overall link building strategy, one which didn't include BMR several months ago. I have found it shaves time off how long it takes to get ranked...that is worth the monthly subscription costs. My problem is I have 20 domains in their system and I absolutely do not want to expand to their 50 domain plan...

You just need to build more sites. ;-)

But I agree with you on the other points. It's not a silver bullet, but is a powerful part of bigger picture.

[Ryan79]

Great case study, I am using BMR also and looking to see your result.

[exodusms]

If anyone else is currently testing any of these networks could you please keep track of your results?

I would love to get everyone's results and create a master list of case studies so we can all compare results.

[OneManSEO]

Originally Posted by packerfan

You just need to build more sites. ;-)

But I agree with you on the other points. It's not a silver bullet, but is a powerful part of bigger picture.

Actually, I'm taking your advice and converting those 400-500 BMR posts into fresh articles for some article marketing baby!

[OneManSEO]

Originally Posted by exodusms

If anyone else is currently testing any of these networks could you please keep track of your results?

I would love to get everyone's results and create a master list of case studies so we can all compare results.

Doing a quick look at two sites that were brand new with 5-6 keywords each, it took 30 posts to get 3 first page rankings and the other 2 on page 2(ironically, both sites for the same overall results). These are all local with less than 300 exact match searches though.

The guy is paying me cheap, so all he gets are BMR articles. So at least we know it works for low comp keywords.

I have results with all my projects, but the others involve much more than just BMR - so those two be my only case studies for you.

[mytoy78]

Originally Posted by OneManSEO

Doing a quick look at two sites that were brand new with 5-6 keywords each, it took 30 posts to get 3 first page rankings and the other 2 on page 2(ironically, both sites for the same overall results). These are all local with less than 300 exact match searches though.

The guy is paying me cheap, so all he gets are BMR articles. So at least we know it works for low comp keywords.

I have results with all my projects, but the others involve much more than just BMR - so those two be my only case studies for you.

Hi there,

Can I just clarify that you gave each 'local' keyword 30 posts, or you gave 30 posts overall?

I've been using BMR for ages and know that it is effective, but I'm really trying to 'chisel' down and finds out how many posts it takes to rank certain keywords.

I've found the results from my own testings inconsistent, as the majority of the sites I use 'BMR' with are my client's...and have had other work done on them before I take over their seo.

Thanks for your imput in advance

mytoy78

[jamesbondsmate]

I am currently using BMR for 3 sites. I will post updates.

I have one site in a low competition keyword and two in moderate/high.

It will be interesting to see the effect and the PR distribution.

Cheers,

James

[OneManSEO]

Originally Posted by mytoy78

Hi there,

Can I just clarify that you gave each 'local' keyword 30 posts, or you gave 30 posts overall?

I've been using BMR for ages and know that it is effective, but I'm really trying to 'chisel' down and finds out how many posts it takes to rank certain keywords.

I've found the results from my own testings inconsistent, as the majority of the sites I use 'BMR' with are my client's...and have had other work done on them before I take over their seo.

Thanks for your imput in advance

mytoy78

30 posts overall for LOCAL BUSINESS keywords - about 5-6 posts per keyword per month. For low volume, high comp keywords, I have yet to get beyond page 2 with the brand new site with no other SEO having been done - but only two months in, so not much to complain about.

[exodusms]

Update: 6/24/11 – Week 1
Welcome to week one of my Linkvana vs. Build My Rank vs. SEO Linkvine test.

Last weekend I wrote and posted a total of seven articles to each content network. If you have not read my overview to the test go to page 1 of this thread. If you visit my blog you will see a complete break out of what the page rank was for each article domain. You will be able to see how long an article stayed on the front page of each domain. However, let’s jump into the actual rankings.

Build My Rank:
Ranking = Page 17

After just seven articles I have gone from nowhere to page 17. These are great results especially for a week period. I also started tracking a bunch of other keywords that are closely related and I am actually on page 24 for a more competitive term. I did not target this second keyword in any of my linkbuidling so this is a great surprise. As of 6/22 all seven of my articles on Build My Rank had been indexed by Google. Build My Rank also has a great dashboard that actually shows you the distribution of page rank for your articles. (You can see screenshots at my blog)

SEO Linkvine:
Ranking = Page 27

For SEO Linkvine I submitted seven original articles with spin syntax build in. Because each article is spun before delivered to the blog the article will reside on I am not sure how to track it. SEO Linkvine also does not really provide any methods to see where it was posted to. They do offer a “live” number but I am not sure how accurate it is. Either way I have gone from no rankings to page 27 in the last week.

Linkvana:
I had some pretty high expectations for this network because of the cost. However, after week one I am still not seeing my domain in the top 300 results. When I checked my articles today 6/7 had been indexed so they should be passing link juice.

Conclusion:
I have to say I am pretty disappointed in Linkvana. However, it has only been a week so I expect them to come roaring back. Early indicators show Build My Rank is looking really good. This weekend I will be adding six more articles to each network and have updated rankings next Thursday.

Linkvana vs. BMR vs. SEO Linkvine - Test Overview (not allowed to add links yet. Just go to the 1st post in this thread)

[hagendazz07]

Thx exodusms, you pretty much convinced me to go with BMR.

Nice post

[exodusms]

Originally Posted by hagendazz07

Thx exodusms, you pretty much convinced me to go with BMR.

Nice post

I wouldn't go with them just yet, this has only been the first week in the test. I will be testing each of these networks for a few months so I would wait to see what happens. At the very least I would wait just a couple more weeks to see how each network performs.

[siddharthslm]

i too heard, linkvana/linkvine works better than anything, faster !
do let us know once your test is up

[internetmadeeasy]

I did not like SEO Linkvine i got 56 articles on there but the backlinks are still not showing i quit SEO link vine..

[exodusms]

Originally Posted by internetmadeeasy

I did not like SEO Linkvine i got 56 articles on there but the backlinks are still not showing i quit SEO link vine..

Ya I have not heard great things about SEO linkvine but I wanted to give them a fair unbiased test.

To be honest they are actually out performing Linkvana so far but we will see what the next few weeks hold for them.

[DomH]

Does anybody regularly get 10 posts a day distributed by BMR? I have it set for 7-10 and have around 90 queued posts but have only once got 10 posts in a day during the last few weeks, normally 7 or 8 and sometimes only 5. There should be a setting to specify 10 distributed posts a day because that is what we are paying for.

[andrewellis3]

great thread!!!! please keep us posted

[ElectronPlumber]

Glad to see I inspired you! It's great to see more actual experimenting going on out there. Hopefully this starts a trend where more people actually provide useful data based on experimentation rather than the opinion arguments people make over and over again.

I have a ton of questions for you though...

1) How close are your domains? Are they very different? Do they include your keywords?
2) Can you provide data about the keywords you are going for? Not the niche itself, but how many exact searches per month, number of sites with that keyword allinurl, allintitle, etc.
3) Do you have a control site? Meaning one that shows that your link building service results aren't just a coincidence by having a 4th site that you build no links to.
4) How old are these sites? Did you register them all at the same time or different times?

Keep it up, and keep posting results!

[exodusms]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

1) How close are your domains? Are they very different? Do they include your keywords?
2) Can you provide data about the keywords you are going for? Not the niche itself, but how many exact searches per month, number of sites with that keyword allinurl, allintitle, etc.
3) Do you have a control site? Meaning one that shows that your link building service results aren't just a coincidence by having a 4th site that you build no links to.
4) How old are these sites? Did you register them all at the same time or different times?

Keep it up, and keep posting results!

1) My domains are different in the fact they are completely random. None of the domains contain the keyword or any related keyword. I wanted to do my best to ensure domain and on page metrics did not affect its outcome.

2) You can see a lot of that information on my blog.

3) I don't have a control site but I think it is safe to assume that a site will not climb in the SERPS like my test sites if they do not have links. Although in future tests I may add a control.

4) All my sites are pretty new and had no history. I registered them all about the same time with different hosting companies.

UPDATE:

While this is not a rankings update it is an update about the content networks. I think all the content networks took a huge hit on there domains PR. I have looked at both Linkavana and BMR links and they report a PR when there is actually none on the domain.

I am sure they are all actively working on this but it will be interesting to see the results of this and next weeks rankings with this update. Please note that I understand PR is actually not the end all of why a site has juice. However, Google taking PR sites from 3 to 0 is usually a bad sign.

Please keep in mind that this PR slip has not happened on every link I have with these networks. In my next update I will actually show you what percentage of my links domains had a loss in PR. That way we can compare each networks ability to keep PR after an update.

[tankteam]

Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to test these 3 services.

i plan to give seo linkvine a try, i found 2 clickbank links with special price of $47 instead of $67. The item title is "SEOLinkVine Membership Special Offer" instead of the "SEOLinkVine Membership" from the official website. The item number is 281 instead of 101. I wonder if it is official and real seo linkvine clickbank link? anyone have real discounted link? TQ.

https : // ssl . clickbank . net /order/orderform.html?time=1309523357&vvvv=73656f6c76&ite m=281&cbskin=192&cbfid=205&cbf=PCDWEP2FD2&vvar=cbf id%3D205%26cbskin%3D192

https : // ssl . clickbank . net /order/orderform.html?time=1309523416&vvvv=73656f6c76&ite m=281

[seothatworks]

there also article ranks and aln, i think build my rank works best for me

[indie08]

Yes, all you need is BMR. It is the utmost quality network in my opinion. I have a friend in the SEO industry who has been using them for about a year and is absolutely crushing it. I just put 3 domains into the network and am in the process of writing between 15-17 posts for each site. They are EMD's and are in medium competition niches. I'll post my results in a couple weeks!

Brian

[gamer90]

Awesome Thread buddy. Really interesting stuff. Keep it going!

[packerfan]

Any ranking update?

I'm still seeing good results with BMR but I'm anxious to see how this plays out.

[frogman]

I have been using linkvana and seo link vine for quite some time with ok results for low to medium competition keywords.
I just started using bmr to test them out.

[indie08]

Quick update, I decided to increase the post count to 50-57 posts for each of my 3 websites. I want to give BMR a good test run..I'm going to drip feed 1-3 posts per day.

[indie08]

Sorry, one more thing. The average PR on the front page for each of my main kw's totals about 25-28. And average domain age of about 15 years. Can't wait to see the results!

[packerfan]

Originally Posted by indie08

Sorry, one more thing. The average PR on the front page for each of my main kw's totals about 25-28. And average domain age of about 15 years. Can't wait to see the results!

What do you mean the average PR is 25-28? I'm confused.

[indie08]

Originally Posted by packerfan

What do you mean the average PR is 25-28? I'm confused.

I simply added the domain PR's from the top 10 results for the keyword I'm competing for. So, about medium to medium-high competition..

[indie08]

Has anyone here tried using BMR to get a website out of the sandbox? I have 2 other domains that are nowhere to be found. If so, what is the best approach? They were great converting sites.

[packerfan]

Originally Posted by indie08

Has anyone here tried using BMR to get a website out of the sandbox? I have 2 other domains that are nowhere to be found. If so, what is the best approach? They were great converting sites.

BMR isn't a magic bullet, but it does give you high PR contextual backlinks. The sites that I use it on have not been "sandboxed"

Lots of people see success getting out of the sandbox by continually getting high PR links. Easiest/best way I know of to get them is BMR.

[indie08]

Originally Posted by packerfan

BMR isn't a magic bullet, but it does give you high PR contextual backlinks. The sites that I use it on have not been "sandboxed"

Lots of people see success getting out of the sandbox by continually getting high PR links. Easiest/best way I know of to get them is BMR.

Thank you for your response. Yes, I know BMR is not the magic bullet by any means..I now know the importance of a well balanced link portfolio. The sites I mentioned I did some crap x rumer blasts on them when I was a newbie, now I'm going to attempt to get them ranked again..

[GeorgR.]

BMR is supposedly the "best" network of this kind, however there are more networks like this. SEOLV and LV..i didnt expect any other results since there are enough reviews out there already.

Would have been more interesting with articleranks (which is supposedly very good also) and ALN (authority link network). I am using those two but cant say which one is "better" since i use both of them at the same time. SEOLV i gave up a long time ago.

[exodusms]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

BMR is supposedly the "best" network of this kind, however there are more networks like this. SEOLV and LV..i didnt expect any other results since there are enough reviews out there already.

Would have been more interesting with articleranks (which is supposedly very good also) and ALN (authority link network). I am using those two but cant say which one is "better" since i use both of them at the same time. SEOLV i gave up a long time ago.

George,

I completely agree with you on another network for testing. Therefore I will be adding another domain that I can test against the others. While this new domain is 2 weeks behind the results should still be the same (just 2 weeks behind).

For my fourth domain I will be testing Article Ranks Pro based off what you had to say about them.

Rankings updates will be coming soon... So sorry I had been away for vacation.

[keblack]

Interesting thread - thanks for doing this as I was just about to join Linkvana to improve the rankings of the 100 plus sites I have. I am concerned about the cost involved in having posts written for all though. I also found out about linkamotion.com recently - not sure how popular that one is yet.

[Andrew S]

Im surprised you put a crapper like seolv next to these 2 giants, but i look forward to this study nonetheless.

[rdisr]

I joined SEO Linkvine to get content for several of my blogs but the quality of the content I received was SO bad that I've discontinued the service.

I'm really looking forward to your conclusions between LinkVana and Build My Rank. I've been using LinkVana for about two months and I'm pleased with the results so far.

[exodusms]

Week 3/4 Rank Update:

So at the beginning of July all my test sites lost there rankings. The pages are still in Google's index but they are no longer in the top 1000 search results. I am not sure what happened but here are my hypothesis.

a. Panda attack - the value of my links were heavily devalued from the latest update and my rankings reflect that change.

Has anyone seen there rankings drop in the last few weeks? If anyone has seen a drop we might be able to figure out if it truly was panda or something else. Because I relied only on the content networks I would think a devaluation would be felt worse then a website that used different types of linkbuilding.

b. Google found my test sites
Not very likely but you never know.