How much to pay for PR4 - PR7 link?

[HN]

1) How much are PR4 to PR7 links worth these days? How much should I expect to pay?
Is there a big difference between related and unrelated links? May I end up in trouble when buying from FFA sites (free for all, as long as you pay for a link)?

2) Would you even consider buying from sites that have gained PR via 1px linked images with unrelated text in alt tags? No ancor text links at all.
Example: Say the seller's site is linked from another website which is all about tractors, it's linked thru an image with alt text "honey bees". The title and h1 tags of sellers's site are "Weather in Alaska"
To make the matters worse, say this site has already sold links to different sites with following ancor text "life insurance", "milk shakers" and "tooth paste". I think the google will look at the site and think like WTF should I rank this website for? So if my site is about purebred cats, should I buy a link from that website, even if it's just $1 for PR5.

I'd like to hear from people that do this successfully no matter what me or any other white hat experts say, as well as from people that have got banned by doing this.

OK, that's 2 questions in one post.

Thanks.

[gamer90]

1. High PR Links can range anywhere from 50-100 $ for high quality packages of lets say 20-30 High PR Links. Ranging from PR4-PR6.
FFA is not an issue.

2. That wouldn't make a difference to google.

And no i do this, actually in fact i sell high PR Backlinks and no site has ever been banned, although most have been promoted or moved in google rankings.

[HN]

Is that $100 per month, year or forever?

[mdsurf]

my guess would be month

[ZachWaldman]

I've had good luck on fivver buying high quality links. For example, I was able to get a PR4 link with my chosen anchor text in the sidebar of a wordpress site which appears on every page of the blog. It only cost me $5 and the deal was for life.

[cryst]

thats depend on the owner of the website.....u cannot assume that .....

[outsourcetoday]

Its always good to get links that are embedded with your keywords in the content.
Also most quality sites will offer links on a monthly basis. If you decide to purchase High PR links then get them for at least 3 months allowing you to get benefit of some PR.
Anyone offering links that are in the blogroll and claim they will be there "permanently" would be misleading. You'll notice your link missing after a few weeks.

We do offer PR 4- PR 6 Links from Low OBL Sites if required. Prices start at $50/month with 3 month min

Thanks

[dburk]

Hi HN,

I would never buy a link based solely on PR.

Two thirds of the value from a decent link will come from direct link traffic. For this reason, the more targeted the traffic the more valuable, assuming that traffic is relevant to your niche.

I realize some folks base their pricing on PR, I just ignore the PR and look at the traffic to decide if it is worthwhile.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ZachWaldman

I've had good luck on fivver buying high quality links. For example, I was able to get a PR4 link with my chosen anchor text in the sidebar of a wordpress site which appears on every page of the blog. It only cost me $5 and the deal was for life.

and they'll sell a few hundred of them and you will get the equivalent of a PR1 or less link. Oh and the deal wasn't for life. it was just till the site gets reported or the owner can't be bothered with it any more and delete or erase the entire site' links.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by dburk

Two thirds of the value from a decent link will come from direct link traffic. For this reason, the more targeted the traffic the more valuable, assuming that traffic is relevant to your niche.
.

Thats totally false and not how that market does its valuation for SEO links.

Buying links for traffic and buying them for SEO are two entirely different things. They can be done together but you can get an authority link with relatively little traffic. For example a PR 9 page might have several links and one of them is rarely clicked but it will still convey a nice SEO benefit.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Thats totally false and not how that market does its valuation for SEO links.

Buying links for traffic and buying them for SEO are two entirely different things. They can be done together but you can get an authority link with relatively little traffic. For example a PR 9 page might have several links and one of them is rarely clicked but it will still convey a nice SEO benefit.

Hi Mike,

I fail to see how my comment is "totally false", when for my campaigns, it is totally true. As I said in my post, I don't buy links purely for PR, I buy them for traffic.

Not everybody is out to screw over their clients, some of us are actually helping clients get the most for their money, not the least. I realize that some folks are working as so called "professional SEO" and they are focused solely on search engine ranking position, however the clients care more about increasing the overall sales and profits. I was speaking from the clients perspective, not the perspective of an SEO agent who doesn't give a rats a** about his clients success.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Mike,

I fail to see how my comment is "totally false", when for my campaigns, it is totally true. As I said in my post, I don't buy links purely for PR, I buy them for traffic.

its totally false because the Op was asking about pricing in the market not your personal habits

And because you stated a ratio of value that has nothing to do with that market

Not everybody is out to screw over their clients, some of us are actually helping clients get the most for their money

Actually some of us are wasting the clients time AND money. Lets look at your model. You say that two thirds of the value of a link is in the direct traffic. totally bogus made up percentage given that it would depend entirely on where the client ends up ranking in a serp that gives them various levels of traffic. So what will that make clients do? Skip perfectly strong links that would cause them to rise in the serps which brings them traffic WITH GOOGLE .

So lets say that he needs 12 PR4 (Pr not being the only factors but for simplicity) links in his niche to rank number one which will give him 50,000 searches a month. Great he goes out and gets them but then theres your advice and made up metric that says he should look at the traffic they create 2 to 1 more important to ranking on Google so he skips some and consequently is still waiting to rank.

Which one does the client better?

Plus which is more targeted - a visitor from a site that may or may not be interested in his particular targeted keyword subjects or the people on Google typing in EXACTLY what the client is targeting?

So no nothing is worng with direct traffic BUT ...THAT ...IS .... NOT what the Op asked. he asked a question in regard to Google.

not the least. I realize that some folks are working as so called "professional SEO" and they are focused solely on search engine ranking position, however the clients care more about increasing the overall sales and profits.

What an off balanced and desperate charge to make given that the OP is SPECIFICALLY asking about buying links for SEO since he specificall y asks how GOOGLE will see the link. Yes I am a professional SEO and proud of it and I'm helping to answer a question ABOUT SEO.

I was speaking from the clients perspective, not the perspective of an SEO agent who doesn't give a rats a** about his clients success.

Don't be casting aspersions you can't back up. You know absolutely nothing about my SEO practice and how successful my clients in fact are. THE OP asked a question about the market and how it prices links for SEO that Google looks at. He asked the question and I answered it. You are way out of line trying to cast something abut my integrity or interest just because I told you what you wrote was false.

It is false and anyone that has been involved in SEO in a practical way will tell you that there is absolutely no rule that two thirds of the value of a link bought for ranking is tied to its traffic. Its utterly false. You could get a link on a High Pr page that a human rarely clicks on for various reasons and it still has great SEO value.

So in this case who exactly is trying to "screw over" the client?

[shaneparksons]

Originally Posted by ZachWaldman

I've had good luck on fivver buying high quality links. For example, I was able to get a PR4 link with my chosen anchor text in the sidebar of a wordpress site which appears on every page of the blog. It only cost me $5 and the deal was for life.

I am envious of this achievement. You must be a good talker to convince a blogger with a PR 4 site to allow you a site-wide link using the anchor text of your liking for only $5. How would you like to share your secrets?

[dburk]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

its totally false because the Op was asking about pricing in the market not your personal habits

And because you stated a ratio of value that has nothing to do with that market

Actually some of us are wasting the clients time AND money. Lets look at your model. You say that two thirds of the value of a link is in the direct traffic. totally bogus made up percentage given that it would depend entirely on where the client ends up ranking in a serp that gives them various levels of traffic. So what will that make clients do? Skip perfectly strong links that would cause them to rise in the serps which brings them traffic WITH GOOGLE .

So lets say that he needs 12 PR4 (Pr not being the only factors but for simplicity) links in his niche to rank number one which will give him 50,000 searches a month. Great he goes out and gets them but then theres your advice and made up metric that says he should look at the traffic they create 2 to 1 more important to ranking on Google so he skips some and consequently is still waiting to rank.

Which one does the client better?

Plus which is more targeted - a visitor from a site that may or may not be interested in his particular targeted keyword subjects or the people on Google typing in EXACTLY what the client is targeting?

So no nothing is worng with direct traffic BUT ...THAT ...IS .... NOT what the Op asked. he asked a question in regard to Google.


What an off balanced and desperate charge to make given that the OP is SPECIFICALLY asking about buying links for SEO since he specificall y asks how GOOGLE will see the link. Yes I am a professional SEO and proud of it and I'm helping to answer a question ABOUT SEO.


Don't be casting aspersions you can't back up. You know absolutely nothing about my SEO practice and how successful my clients in fact are. THE OP asked a question about the market and how it prices links for SEO that Google looks at. He asked the question and I answered it. You are way out of line trying to cast something abut my integrity or interest just because I told you what you wrote was false.

It is false and anyone that has been involved in SEO in a practical way will tell you that there is absolutely no rule that two thirds of the value of a link bought for ranking is tied to its traffic. Its utterly false. You could get a link on a High Pr page that a human rarely clicks on for various reasons and it still has great SEO value.

So in this case who exactly is trying to "screw over" the client?

Hi Mike

Why o' why must you be so difficult?

My post was specifically about how I, as a purchaser of links, determine a reasonable price, you can assert otherwise and I will respectfully disagree.

I think that it is foolish to base the value of a link you are purchasing based solely on PR. I have found that PR is volatile, particularly on a page that is selling links based on PR. If the link is also on a page that is has poorly targeted traffic, you will have lower click through rates by the real users, and the traffic that does come through is poorly targeted resulting in very low conversion rates.

Sure, you often get a backlink that has power and influence on ranking, but the volatility of that link makes it worth far less, in my opinion. Competitors, Google algorithms and the Google quality team are all on the lookout for just such backlinks and they will devalue them when they find them. You don't know if the money you are spending on that link will ever payoff, and if it does, how short lived it will be.

I wasn't making aspersions on you in particular, just on the practice of an SEO placing his own personal gain over that of his client's. I see this as far too common and it reflects on the entire industry. I believe that we have a fiduciary responsibility to act in the clients' best interest. There are professionals and then there are slime balls, I just think we ought to call them out when we see them.

[fluffythewondercat]

Originally Posted by ZachWaldman

I've had good luck on fivver buying high quality links. For example, I was able to get a PR4 link with my chosen anchor text in the sidebar of a wordpress site which appears on every page of the blog. It only cost me $5 and the deal was for life.

Hope it wasn't with Fiverr user pixelclouds, because s/he deletes "permanent" links periodically. I blogged about this a couple of months ago.

fLufF
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[ZachWaldman]

Originally Posted by shaneparksons

I am envious of this achievement. You must be a good talker to convince a blogger with a PR 4 site to allow you a site-wide link using the anchor text of your liking for only $5. How would you like to share your secrets?

After reading the skepticism of my achievement, it's possible I just got lucky. I've only bought one link like this and it was for a very specific thing I was doing.

I can tell you that it's been up for for six months and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Maybe other people have had the experience of their links being removed or whatever, but mine is still there.

Again, I probably just got lucky with somebody honest.

[Maddmula]

all good to know since I might be needing to buy links soon.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Mike

Why o' why must you be so difficult?

My post was specifically about how I, as a purchaser of links, determine a reasonable price, you can assert otherwise and I will respectfully disagree.

Dburk its not about being agreeable or being disagreeable. Can't you see how misleading it is for you to state that the value of a link is based 2 thirds on this or that when that is NOT how the market works. The OP is directly asking about PRICES and specifically in regard to SEO Links. now if you want to say what you do then fine but you laid down a rule that is in fact NOT a rule in SEO link buying.

Its misleading and doesn't do the OP any good because when he goes out into the market place looking for links for SEO he is going to find something entirely different. Its all about giving the right answer to the Op not misleading.

I think that it is foolish to base the value of a link you are purchasing based solely on PR. I have found that PR is volatile, particularly on a page that is selling links based on PR. If the link is also on a page that is has poorly targeted traffic, you will have lower click through rates by the real users, and the traffic that does come through is poorly targeted resulting in very low conversion rates.

No one said anything about buying without discretion . Of course you have to weigh PR against outbound links and whether the site is going to become like a link farm. but sorry no I am not even asking if you are right. I know you are dead wrong. In the SEO world of buying links traffic does not trump Pagerank and authority of the page giving the link. It just doesn't and pagerank is no more volatile than traffic in many cases. A page can get fantastic traffic and then fall off. In addition there are foolproof ways of faking traffic where fake PR is easy to check in most cases. Nothing is perfect but yes if I look at PR and then check the backlinks to the page and check how the site is setup to flow PR I can make a very stable determination that isn't anywhere near as volatile as you claim.

he Google quality team are all on the lookout for just such backlinks and they will devalue them when they find them. You don't know if the money you are spending on that link will ever payoff, and if it does, how short lived it will be.

What are you talking about? Such backlinks? A backlink with anchor text is a backlink with anchor text. If google determines that its bought then it doesn't matter whether you got traffic through it or not as far as they are concerned. Its bought good bye. Now if you are claiming that because of that no one should buy links because Google will just magically knows they are bought then sorry to let you know but you are day dreaming. Buying links is VERY much how a TON loads of sites rank. I can go days with my business customers studying their competition and not find a site ranking without bought links.

I wasn't making aspersions on you in particular, just on the practice of an SEO placing his own personal gain over that of his client's.

and that just coincidentally was in answer to a professional SEO with a coincidentally personally offended and irritated style of writing? Spin it anyway you want I ain't buying it. The context makes it perfectly clear what you were trying to do but I am happy to see you at least back off of what you were trying.

From what I see you don't have a clue what a professional SEO does or cares about so its no better to be casting aspersions on a whole set of people that you don't know than one person in particular. Its probably worse especially when you call it that way based on a practice that does IN FACT work to bring traffic to the same clients you erroneously claim are being ripped off or as you put it "screwed over".

Most Professional SEOs don't have 500 clients paying them $47, $99 or even $200. For that reason we care a whole lot more about our clients because each one represents a MUCH higher percentage of our income. Our customers pay more and expect more . If we didn't give a rats whatever as you claim we'd be unemployed. You just don't get the dynamics of being able to sell garbage to 400 people for a few bucks and moving onto the next newbie as opposed to someone laying out ten , 20 30 times that expecting results or you wouldn't make such a foolish accusation against professional SEOs in general or this particular one.

Anyway I am done on that since this is not the topic of the thread and should never have come up.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ZachWaldman

After reading the skepticism of my achievement, it's possible I just got lucky. I've only bought one link like this and it was for a very specific thing I was doing.

Nothing wrong with getting lucky Zach. Good for you if it was a reputable person. Its just that its pretty easy to get nearly ten times that for a permanent PR4 so the source is either just someone looking for quick money who doesn't know better or maybe someone who will remove it when they need more cash.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Dburk its not about being agreeable or being not disagreeable. Can't you see how misleading it is for you to state that the value of a link is based 2 thirds on this or that when that is NOT how the market works. The OP is directly asking about PRICES and specifically in regard to SEO Links. now if you want to say what you do then fine but you laid down a rule that is in fact NOT a rule in SEO link buying.

Its misleading and doesn't do the OP any good because when he goes out into the market place looking for links for SEO he is going to find something entirely different. Its all about giving the right answer to the Op not misleading.

No one said anything about buying without discretion . Of course you have to weigh PR against outbound links and whether the site is going to become like a link farm. but sorry no I am not even asking if you are right. I know you are dead wrong. In the SEO world of buying links traffic does not trump Pagerank and authority of the page giving the link. It just doesn't and pagerank is no more volatile than traffic in many cases. A page can get fantastic traffic and then fall off. In addition there are foolproof ways of faking traffic where fake PR is easy to check in most cases. Nothing is perfect but yes if I look at PR and then check the backlinks to the page and check how the site is setup to flow PR I can make a very stable determination that isn't anywhere near as volatile as you claim.

What are you talking about? Such backlinks? A backlink with anchor text is a backlink with anchor text. If google determines that its bought then it doesn't matter whether you got traffic through it or not as far as they are concerned. Its bought good bye. Now if you are claiming that because of that no one should buy links because Google will just magically knows they are bought then sorry to let you know but you are day dreaming. Buying links is VERY much how a TON loads of sites rank. I can go days with my business customers studying their competition and not find a site ranking without bought links.



and that just coincidentally was in answer to a professional SEO with a coincidentally personally offended and irritated style of writing? Spin it anyway you want I ain't buying it. The context makes it perfectly clear what you were trying to do but I am happy to see you at least back off of what you were trying.

From what I see you don't have a clue what a professional SEO does or cares about so its no better to be casting aspersions on a whole set of people that you don't know than one person in particular. Its probably worse especially when you call it that way based on a practice that does IN FACT work to bring traffic to the same clients you erroneously claim are being ripped off or as you put it "screwed over".

Most Professional SEOs don't have 500 clients paying them $47, $99 or even $200. For that reason we care a whole lot more about our clients because each one represents a MUCH higher percentage of our income. Our customers pay more and expect more . If we didn't give a rats whatever as you claim we'd be unemployed. You just don't get the dynamics of being able to sell garbage to 400 people for a few bucks and moving onto the next newbie as opposed to someone laying out ten , 20 30 times that expecting results or you wouldn't make such a foolish accusation against professional SEOs in general or this particular one.

Anyway I am done on that since this is not the topic of the thread and should never have come up.

Hi Mike,

Thanks for responding exactly as I expected you would. I'l leave it to the readers of this forum to form their own opinion about your response (troll or not). I said what I had to say, you can claim I said something else if you want, but and I'm not going to buy into your typical straw man argument.

Have a nice day!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Mike,

Thanks for responding exactly as I expected you would. I'l leave it to the readers of this forum to form their own opinion about your response

Your welcome Dburk I have no problem leaving it to others particularly the regulars that know as you most definitely do that I refer to "professional SEOs" often and hope I qualify as one. There was no mistaking it for me but even if you claim to be talking in general terms I have already answered how fraudulent that is as well.

Have a good night.

[Rollmodl]

I'm here just in case anyone wants to purchase PR3 or PR4 links on a reputable site . Low OBL and you can review it below.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi HN,

I would never buy a link based solely on PR.

Two thirds of the value from a decent link will come from direct link traffic. For this reason, the more targeted the traffic the more valuable, assuming that traffic is relevant to your niche.

I realize some folks base their pricing on PR, I just ignore the PR and look at the traffic to decide if it is worthwhile.

I think you are talking about two different things. Something like a banner link on a high traffic site, I believe is what you are referring to. In that case, obviously you are looking for direct traffic.

However, I believe what the OP was referring to was links strictly for their SEO value. In that case, your statement is false. Links I'm setting up or purchasing are for their authority. I could care less about any direct traffic from them.

[Josh MacDonald]

Just go to a forum marketplace and say you want a PR5 link and then just buy the lowest offer.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by macdonjo

Just go to a forum marketplace and say you want a PR5 link and then just buy the lowest offer.

Mac thats the worst way to do it. PR can be faked , it can be based on links that after the link spaces are all bought out can be turned away, it can be a PR5 that will be a 1 at the next update or they can just be plain remove the paid link at a later date when you can't do anything about it.

The cheapest at forums are much more likely to do one of the above, rep is far more important than buying the lowest offer. You might pay less and get nothing

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

However, I believe what the OP was referring to was links strictly for their SEO value. In that case, your statement is false. Links I'm setting up or purchasing are for their authority. I could care less about any direct traffic from them.

Precisely and that is how the market is setup. Claiming that buying links for mainly authority is ripping of the buyer/client is not only way off in understanding the market and technique around it but its a totally outrageous charge.

[dburk]

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet)

[wtktg1]

I think PR seems to be inaccurate these days.

I had one site from PR0 jump to PR4 in less than 4 months!

Anybody want to offer to put a link on my site?

[Mainze]

...Two dozen posts and no-one really knows do they

[HN]

Quite a few months have gone by and here are my experiences.
I bought 8 PR3 links at $1 each and 1 PR4 for $5 for one site. The site did go up and stayed on Page 3 (I am #21) of about 17,900,000 results (0.20 seconds)
I am #15 when "useing quotes", the search phrase generates 7 million results with quotes!
For the other website I bought PR3 link from Fiverr and 15 edu links for $5 (again from Fiverr). Guess what? The seller added my links to .edu blog that already had 7,000 (seven thousand) blog comments (spam). My site did move to #13, but now it's back to #23 Page 3 of about 15,200,000,000 results (0.14 seconds).
This search phrase generates 15 BILLION results. It generates no traffic though. It's just to show off, hey I am #1 out of 15 billion. I actually do have a site that is #1 out of 3 billion right now.

The links I bought from someone on this forum have been placed on one page high PR expired domains (websites) that are completely unrelated to my keywords. So I am not very happy with those links, but I must admit they have worked so far.

I can now give away PR3 pages (whole pages, not just one link) for $5 per month. And those will be related pages, ie. your keyword will be in url, title, h1 and in backlinks pointing to that page.
Eg. If you keyword is 'computer networks', I can link to that page from network.ee (PR3) or computers.ee (PR2)

[bellringer09]

Looking at this thread it just shows that 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.

It all depends on what you want the link for: traffic, ranking, both? Also not all links are created equal. A contextual link on a high PR page with a low outbound number of links is worth a lot more than a naked link on an equivalently ranked page where there are scores or hundreds of other outbound links.

[jacobhowardmakesmoney]

Originally Posted by ZachWaldman

I've had good luck on fivver buying high quality links. For example, I was able to get a PR4 link with my chosen anchor text in the sidebar of a wordpress site which appears on every page of the blog. It only cost me $5 and the deal was for life.

Yeah, same here. Found a guy that will post a link in his sidebar (dofollow) for $5. He got the job done in less than 5 minutes. Here's the guy's profile:
m1c4a37j at Fiverr.com