Google Panda Destroyed My Business

[C0DeZeR0]

hi ,,

I Have site have about 4000 UV Daily
Also Site Have About 1000 UV Daily

And I Got About 15 $ Daily From Adsense ..

After Panda For 1 st Site i got now 1500 uv daily and for 2st site
i got 200 uv daily ,,

and now i hardly got 3-4 $ daily ,,,

my first site got sandboxed my home page disappeared and also
i lost my keyword ranking ,,

i got disappointed its now about 2 weeks and no news ,,,

i dont do any think spam except some Few blog commenting

and about 10 backlinks ,,

what shall i do ??

[Ernie Lonardo]

I feel for you mate, similar thing happened to me. I've been depressed ever since.

Google killed my life for the moment!

But you gotta try and get back up and battle for another round.

Just don't make the same mistake again and rely too much on Google.

Oh and I'd play as dirty as you can. It seems nice guys finish last online too.

[jpr106]

Take your efforts away from adsense. Yes people are still making money with adsense, but all I'm hearing all over the net is that having a website full of adsense ads is going to make Google think less of your site.

Focus on affiliate programs, and start building more links to your site. Consistency is key here, so keep building until your back on top.

[BloxVentures]

Is it really too many Adsense ads, or just poor/non-unique content?

If I build a content-rich site with lots of Adsense do you think that's a bad idea?

[C0DeZeR0]

Originally Posted by jpr106

Take your efforts away from adsense. Yes people are still making money with adsense, but all I'm hearing all over the net is that having a website full of adsense ads is going to make Google think less of your site.

Focus on affiliate programs, and start building more links to your site. Consistency is key here, so keep building until your back on top.

Big Problem Not only adsense mate but also lack of visitors

if also was adsense it may be little fine as i will use ant alternative than
adsense but my visitors were 70 % less ..

Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo

I feel for you mate, similar thing happened to me. I've been depressed ever since.

Google killed my life for the moment!

But you gotta try and get back up and battle for another round.

Just don't make the same mistake again and rely too much on Google.

Oh and I'd play as dirty as you can. It seems nice guys finish last online too.

I Dont make any mistake or spam but as u say i wont rely on google i will go around yahoo etc ,,,

thanks all

[RevSEO]

You need to diversify your traffic sources, for reasons like these.

Are there any methods that you can utilize to drive additional traffic to your site? Facebook? Twitter? Forum participation/blog participation?

[C0DeZeR0]

Originally Posted by RevSEO

You need to diversify your traffic sources, for reasons like these.

Are there any methods that you can utilize to drive additional traffic to your site? Facebook? Twitter? Forum participation/blog participation?

My traffic in past was almost from google and search engines ,,

now i think i must go to other traffic sources

thanks ,,,,,,,

[gearmonkey]

I'm in the same boat. I frequent WF looking for advice, so far nobody has any success stories.

I went from roughly 4,000 to 1,000 daily. I am on the verge of starting over on a new domain. The only one who hates my site is Google.com. My readers love my site, Wiki loves my site, eHow loves my site, blogs and forum posters love my site. I get backlinks from my readers spreading the word of my site...

yet google hates me...

I'm yet to find a solution. Maybe Google.com hates Wordpress software? I don't know...

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

I'm in the same boat. I frequent WF looking for advice, so far nobody has any success stories.

How about the sites that took your place? They must frequent other forums

Paul

[FrFai]

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

I'm yet to find a solution. Maybe Google.com hates Wordpress software? I don't know...

I think Google loves WordPress.

One of my site went from #1 to #500 in SERPS on 6th June.

I started this site in January with 500words Hompage Unique content(cheaply written for $4.5) and with one post of 500 words unique as well. Ofcourse it has privacy, about and blah blah pages. It's 5 pages website.

It was making sales so I changed Hompage content in May, and the old content I kept it as a post.

On 18th/19th June it came back on its position. I didn't do anything. And its now PR3 after the Google PR update.

I have another WP blog. Again 5 pages. It has very good content on it and some quality backlinks. I started this in end of April and its currently ranking #1 for my KW beating AMAZON. Its PR4 after the Google PR update.

[chubbsky]

How's the content of your site? Google Panda is all about high-quality content. If you say that you haven't been spamming then maybe you have to take a second look at your content. Is it unique? How long are your articles? Are you putting fresh content on a regular basis? Is adsense occupying more space on your blog than your article? So on and so forth...

[Rollmodl]

Watch this vid.

How Google's Panda Update Changed SEO Best Practices Forever - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

[Mushin]

I think a lot of SEO-based marketers are suffering from Panda...just reminds us that we shouldn't rely on 1 traffic source too much because big G is fickle as hell and building a business on organic seo ranking is always a risk...

[lloydmo]

"Take your efforts away from adsense. Yes people are still making money with adsense, but all I'm hearing all over the net is that having a website full of adsense ads is going to make Google think less of your site."

Funny that, just got a recommendation from the adsense team to stick in more adsense blocks.

[StoneWilson]

Home page de-indexed is a very serious problem for webmasters, you'd better check your website first, find out possible reasons then fix problems. Try to add more quality contents and backlinks to your website, it will be helpful, btw, build backlinks from different resources is more helpful.

[Johnletton]

Google has penalized more to those websites who are content base or directories. so look at those websites that took your place on search and keep working dont loose temper

[warriorseo]

You can expect more and more changes like panda in future.They don't want to lose their visitors to bing or yahoo.so gear up for more...

[gearmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rollmodl

Watch this vid.

How Google's Panda Update Changed SEO Best Practices Forever - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

Interesting video but very confused how Google can drag an entire website down based on one bad page. My site has questionable pages, sure. Not every article is 1,000 words. Some pages have one sentence and an image. But how is this different from other websites? Warrior forum has bad pages, my competitors have bad pages, Amazon has many bad pages...

What that guy talks about is interesting, but I don't think Google has all those capabilities.

Really confusing, how do you go through 2,000+ pages to find the 'bad apple' that's dragging the website down? It'd be really cool if Google can put reveal that url/page info in webmaster tools so we can find them and fix them.

I really hope Google fails one day and Bing flourishes!

[Andrew S]

Codezero, I know how you feel. I went from around $250/day to $125-$150 a day... Now with the amazon affiliate termination, even lower until I can get my account reinstated.

The only thing you got to do is keep hustling and have patience. It's easy to get discouraged but try not to. Just keep looking forward to brighter days and adapt your strategies if you have to (after Panda, I have).

[C0DeZeR0]

thanks all

i will give more importance to google 1+ and also social bookmarking & remove adsense ads for 2 days to see what will happen - remove my site from anylstic and webmaster tools - build some backlinks to my home page and internal pages ...

may be it will help with big G

[Tom Albas]

Because your content is not unique or fresh that's why your website ranking goes down

[Tom Albas]

Any suggestion form Warrior's how we come back again on same position.

[James Sides]

Just want to point something out for those knocking adsense.

Adsense accounts for a VERY large % of Google's overall yearly revenue so if you think they are knocking sites for having adsense you are SORELY mistaken.

When sites have troubles is when they try to sneak by on less than stellar content and spammy backlinks or when they start "tricking" visitors into clicking ads. The problem is not with adsense, its with the user.

Now, in the case of the OP I have no idea as I have no seen the sites in question but I know I have sites that have not dropped a lick in almost 18 months with NO work so it isn't adsense or Google that creates the problem.

With that being said, I think that relying on Google for the main source of income is a dangerous move. You've heard it before but I will say it again.

BUILD A LIST. Even if you are not in the IM market you should be building a list and monetizing that list. That list is your asset.

Without it you don't own a business. You are just an "employee' helping Google make ad revenue.

Cheers!

James

[C0DeZeR0]

thanks all and waiting any one to tell us what shall we do to improve our sites again <<

[englandrm]

What kind of market are you in? You don't need to say the specific niche, but with those kind of numbers, there are alternative monetization methods that could work.

Check out affiliate programs and CPA's. In my opinion you can get much more money from those than from regular adsense.

[techwarrior]

If I use chitika along with adsense, will it hurt?

[warriorseo]

Originally Posted by C0DeZeR0

thanks all and waiting any one to tell us what shall we do to improve our sites again <<

There is a theory called KISS(Keep It Simple Silly) in every industry including SEO. And Google loves it.In general people over-complicate things and it does more harm than good.All the wise people of the industry say "Go with the tide,not against it".Most of the sites that went down after Panda release is because they aren't in compliance with google's set of rules.So they drowned them.To improve your site's rankings just do what google says.

[clature]

I've always felt that Google was too strict. Can't do this, can't do that, can't do everything. And when they feel like it they ban your ass.

I went through the same thing as you mate. Hang in there.

[coronaborcalis]

Have you tried to sent letter to google and ask them to reconsider your site?
Check this one mate

https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/reconsideration

[seobuzz]

I heard next Panda update is coming in future. I agree that the Panda update from Google destroyed many websites without any valid reason. I hope in next update it will get corrected.

[admnaffii]

Originally Posted by BloxVentures

Is it really too many Adsense ads, or just poor/non-unique content?

If I build a content-rich site with lots of Adsense do you think that's a bad idea?

Did you read all the condition about the google adsense, it allows you to post three ads maximum at one of your web page. if you cross the line you will also banned for adsanse for that domain.

[admnaffii]

Originally Posted by coronaborcalis

Have you tried to sent letter to google and ask them to reconsider your site?
Check this one mate

but one thing is clear that when goolge banned someone means a very very few chance to get back on track. You have to start agian from A......B......C........
I never saw positive response from google to any one. so appeal once and forgot about that and start from first again.

[HigherPrThanGod]

Originally Posted by C0DeZeR0

hi ,,

I Have site have about 4000 UV Daily
Also Site Have About 1000 UV Daily

And I Got About 15 $ Daily From Adsense ..

After Panda For 1 st Site i got now 1500 uv daily and for 2st site
i got 200 uv daily ,,

and now i hardly got 3-4 $ daily ,,,

my first site got sandboxed my home page disappeared and also
i lost my keyword ranking ,,

i got disappointed its now about 2 weeks and no news ,,,

i dont do any think spam except some Few blog commenting

and about 10 backlinks ,,

what shall i do ??

The new update supposedly means you need to focus more on "time on site". That is, there are some design elements, links and site flow issues that Google is going to be looking for. I say supposedly because it sounds like misleading bull from the Google team to get us doing stupid stuff.

Some sites, I don't want people to linger... But at the same time I have figured out how to raise a sites stickiness. More intrasite links which offer MORE of what they want.. even if you have to get creative in order to do so.

[VladWorks]

I hate to say that if your business was destroyed by panda then your methods were flawed to begin with.

Our clients rankings increased with Panda not dropped.

Panda rewards good and proper SEO.

I understand that SEO is getting harder and more complex. If you struggle in this area you really need to push forward on other traffic methods while you figure out the new SEO game.

[masterjani]

Its been a hard time for many webmasters.Don't feel for it.You are not the one.

Build more backlinks and removes the duplicate content and add some more unique content.building backlinks is the only way to beat google.

[tchung]

,same happened to me =/, have any of you had your UV's go up drastically?

[Ernie Lonardo]

Originally Posted by VladWorks

Panda rewards good and proper SEO.

and this is why Google is now broken.

Shouldn't they be rewarding the best websites, not the websites who do the best job of manipulating their sites to beat their algorithm?

Google only works if NOBODY knows how they rank their sites which is clearly not the case.

[miker501]

Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo

and this is why Google is now broken.

Shouldn't they be rewarding the best websites, not the websites who do the best job of manipulating their sites to beat their algorithm?

Google only works if NOBODY knows how they rank their sites which is clearly not the case.

Hey Ernie!

How's things going, any sign of an upturn yet? Things are still very poor for me, even with ZERO dupe content, no spam etc etc. Collateral damage that might never get fixed :-(

I'm at a loss to know where to start trying to fix things, or to wait for the next Panda update to see if they fix things.

I think I will end up making sites with no content and just items for sale, seems to be the way to hit page one these days, all commerce NIL info

Good luck, hope your sites recover soon

[Ernie Lonardo]

Originally Posted by miker501

I think I will end up making sites with no content and just items for sale, seems to be the way to hit page one these days, all commerce NIL info

Good luck, hope your sites recover soon

Thanks mate. No my sites have been getting worse and worse unfortunately. We can't do much about it, just have to move on and hope things turn around eventually.

I too are doing what you plan on doing. No more info sites for me I think. Sell sell sell, gotta give Google what they seem to want, not what they say they want.

[miker501]

Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo

Thanks mate. No my sites have been getting worse and worse unfortunately. We can't do much about it, just have to move on and hope things turn around eventually.

I too are doing what you plan on doing. No more info sites for me I think. Sell sell sell, gotta give Google what they seem to want, not what they say they want.

Yep, it is certainly a tricky one. I really don't want to spend days or weeks rewriting content and designing better navigation etc, if it is going to be fruitless.

I have been slapped over nearly every site, only one or two of the adsense sites seem relatively unaffected, and my tow amazon only Affiliate sites seemed unaffected. That said, they were not really bringing in any traffic to speak of due to me forgetting about them, but they certainly do not seem to have seen that sudden plummet of 16th June that the rest did.

I have no idea what has happened, but can only guess that a combination of tight SEO on page and a large adsense block above the fold might have made them seem too MFA and invoked the penalty.

I've read about people recovering but am not sure how true this is and the stories of recovery seem few and far between.

I'm hoping that after the 4th July weekend I might see some pickup. But the last couple of days have been dire!

[TigerUK]

$15 a day, you never had a business

[mbmehmet]

Originally Posted by TigerUK

$15 a day, you never had a business

Everyone has to start somewhere. Whether you start at $15 or $2. I called my empire of sites a business from the get go when I was earning 50p a day. It's not what you earn that makes a business, it's what you put in.

But back on topic, yep, google can kiss my ass. Go bing, GOOOOOO.

[C0DeZeR0]

thanks all the big problem not in adsense to use alternative other ways like CPA

BUT ITS Problem of visitors ,,,

i reconsider my site and will see

TigerUK

EL HAMD LLAH

[coronaborcalis]

Originally Posted by admnaffii

but one thing is clear that when goolge banned someone means a very very few chance to get back on track. You have to start agian from A......B......C........
I never saw positive response from google to any one. so appeal once and forgot about that and start from first again.

Not at all mate, I am one of the lucky guy who gets the bliss from google. Here is the proof. my site gets back to SERP after the doom days on 6 June. Before sending reconsidering letter make sure that your site follows google guidelines.

https://www.google.com/support/webma...er=35769&hl=en

[mbmehmet]

I had sent a reconsideration request for a6 of my sites that I redone and still no reply. that was over 4 weeks ago. For something algorithm related such as panda a reconsideration request will do nothing.

So in your case "coronaborcalis" either you were not effected by panda or you recovered due to making changes and panda coming back along.

[LangeTroels]

Originally Posted by jpr106

Take your efforts away from adsense. Yes people are still making money with adsense, but all I'm hearing all over the net is that having a website full of adsense ads is going to make Google think less of your site.

Focus on affiliate programs, and start building more links to your site. Consistency is key here, so keep building until your back on top.

Why would Google want to de-rank websites that provide Google with income through AdSense..?

[BarryWheeler]

Originally Posted by C0DeZeR0

hi ,,

I Have site have about 4000 UV Daily
Also Site Have About 1000 UV Daily

And I Got About 15 $ Daily From Adsense ..

After Panda For 1 st Site i got now 1500 uv daily and for 2st site
i got 200 uv daily ,,

and now i hardly got 3-4 $ daily ,,,

my first site got sandboxed my home page disappeared and also
i lost my keyword ranking ,,

i got disappointed its now about 2 weeks and no news ,,,

i dont do any think spam except some Few blog commenting

and about 10 backlinks ,,

what shall i do ??

Google's update didn't destroy your business. Your business was built entirely on a passive income generated from a third party source (Adsense).

This type of revenue is too unpredictable.

Your monetization methods of your sites "destroyed" your business.

Don't blame it entirely on Google.

[steveseo]

Keep add the quality + quantity ( 400 to 500 words) content on your websites and try getting traffic traffic from similar niche revelent websites.

[mbmehmet]

Originally Posted by steveseo

Keep add the quality + quantity ( 400 to 500 words) content on your websites and try getting traffic traffic from similar niche revelent websites.

Quality and quantity isn't the solution. There are other factors in motion here. I can't understand why so many people are saying to create content that is 400-500 words...what is all that about?

Don't mean to be rude but that is just the most primitive way of thinking I have ever come across, and many so called "SEO gurus" are claiming the same thing. Perhaps panda should pay a visit to Amazon, Argos, nexttag and others. I don't think they are aware of the quality or quantity.

[VladWorks]

Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo

and this is why Google is now broken.

Shouldn't they be rewarding the best websites, not the websites who do the best job of manipulating their sites to beat their algorithm?

Google only works if NOBODY knows how they rank their sites which is clearly not the case.

I couldn't disagree more.

Good SEO involves building a good site. Not just what looks pretty. Onsite SEO is a big part of your ranking that many webmasters simply ignore. I see soo many websites that don't even bother with H1 tags.

Google rewards good businesses with good websites and good marketing.

If you dont have time or money to invest in proper marketing you dont have what it takes to be a good business so why should Google reward you?

Google is getting rid of fly by night websites that are out for quick cash and no value to their users. I fully support them in this.

Most of my clients rankings increased with the Panda update not decreased as did the clients of many proper seo companies that place value on their clients sites not just doing the same thing over and over.

Google is not broken its better!