Google hit BMR's PR?

[rinor81]

Hey guys,

Using BMR for 2 months now but only recently I see too many pages with PR 0 that my posts were published on and it wasn't before the PR update of-course...

I think the last update hit a lot of BMR's PR in their sites, do you feel it too? Too much PR 0 and 1 and not enough high PR like I got before the PR update.

Thoughts?

[Natlex]

Well that's normal, most of their websites probably lost PR after the update considering their network becomes junk over time. That's why they probably keep adding new websites to the mix.

[Billy Rey]

Ive tried them out before, probably just going to add more domains to replace the old ones. Dont worry about it. Seems like a great company

[rinor81]

Thanks for the posts guys, guess I'll have to post and hope big G will advance my sites up, so far they dance between pages or places on the same page....and they are not that competitive at all....

[indie08]

Just joined a couple days ago and so far I have 2 PR 2's, 1 PR 3 and 1 PR 1!! Not bad I say!

[packerfan]

I've noticed that the PR has shifted, but I'm not overly concerned. I still have a ton of high PR links from them. I think they'll just continue to work on it and get it fixed.

I'm impressed with their service and I still see good results with the service.

[packerfan]

Originally Posted by rinor81

Thanks for the posts guys, guess I'll have to post and hope big G will advance my sites up, so far they dance between pages or places on the same page....and they are not that competitive at all....

Just keep working your plan. It takes a little time. I have a couple pages that about 95% of the links are from BMR, the keywords are medium difficulty, and I rank #4 and #7 for them. The site is about 4 months old, all link building done in the last couple months.

These pages haven't been touched by any updates, haven't been sandboxed, etc.

[TBInternetMarketing]

Yea I also noticed that the PR has dropped, but I am not too worried.
Obviously the actual page the article is posted on is PR 0 anyway, where the power comes in is firstly that you get your article on the homepage for a few days. If Google indexes this you will get an nice high PR link Where I feel the true power of BMR comes in, is that almost 100% of your links will get indexed which means they will count in Googles eyes. A lot of linking services I use get you loads of links, but most of them never get indexed which means they don't count.

[terrapurus]

I suspect they use dropped domains that had PR and then put general blogs on them. Eg you might have a spanish beef association site (randomly picked example - got no idea if they actually have one of these) that had a PR of 4. They get the domain, put a blog on it and you post your article. You know have an article on cell phones (yours - again, random example) sitting together with dog training, SEO, get your ex back etc articles. It went from a very targeted to a very general site. The only way for this site to go is down. I could be wrong (and if I am, please come in and say so in the comments), but that is how I suspect they work. Great for initial PR boosts, not too great for maintaining the value of those links.

[Roberto L]

PR changed a lot this time, from the changing results, I think google focus more and more on content now, and its computing methods are more accurate with more consideration together with the content and the link numbers and the latest update for one page.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by indie08

Just joined a couple days ago and so far I have 2 PR 2's, 1 PR 3 and 1 PR 1!! Not bad I say!

How could that possibly be?

Something is lost in translation...

Paul

[chukcha]

Yes indeed, they have lost a lot of juice.

[rinor81]

I'll keep working there and hope to see results, so far can't say I see actual results and I have low and medium keywords for a site that dance between pages 5-7 on Google...and I have worked for 2 months with BMR now...I'll keep posting more and hope they progress...

Funny thing is that the medium keyword is always higher in rankings than the low keyword.

[mytoy78]

This is a direct response to a user on another forum by Build My Rank, concerning the validity of their network. I think for those who are doubting or questioning 'BMR's effectiveness, it is reassuring of the power the network still holds.


"Every time there is a PR update, we lose PR on some sites and we gain it on others. I think everyone would agree that this has been a somewhat weird update. We had some sites jump from PR1 or 2 to 5 for example for really no reason.

I'll tell you it was not even close to 40% of our network that got downgraded, and the ones that did go PR0 are disabled for new posts until the PR returns. Interestingly of the sites that lost PR in the previous update, 60-70% got it right back, so the PR just continues to cycle. I'd fully expect the majority of these PR0 sites to reclaim their PR with the next update.

We've been at this for several PR updates now, and we'll do what always do, work on those PR0 sites harder, and continue to acquire more domains.

With BMR we're very transparent so it's easy to say well "BMR hit bad" or whatever. I'm sure if you look at most of the other networks, including many of the HPBL services offered on this forum, their sites probably fared the same or worse"

[indie08]

Originally Posted by paulgl

How could that possibly be?

Something is lost in translation...

Paul

I'm confused..actually I now have 12 live posts between PR1-3. Only a few are indexed at this point however

[TBInternetMarketing]

Originally Posted by paulgl

How could that possibly be?

Something is lost in translation...

Paul

I think what he means is that he has got links on sites which have those PR.
The post appears on the hompepage of the site for about 5 days until it gets knocked off.
Often Google indexes this though and you will get the high PR link for a while.
It will eventually get lost, but you keep getting links from high PR links for short bursts, and seems to work pretty well.

[mytoy78]

Originally Posted by TBInternetMarketing

I think what he means is that he has got links on sites which have those PR.
The post appears on the hompepage of the site for about 5 days until it gets knocked off.
Often Google indexes this though and you will get the high PR link for a while.
It will eventually get lost, but you keep getting links from high PR links for short bursts, and seems to work pretty well.

I personally find that once you've got a site to the ranking you want (first place of course)...it's just a case of feeding the BMR beast with a few posts, by way of maintenance.

For instance, I have a med comp keyword that I rank first for and i post ten bmr posts per month, to keep it there.

Colin

[packerfan]

Originally Posted by paulgl

How could that possibly be?

Something is lost in translation...

Paul

What do you mean? It's entirely possible for that to happen. In fact, I would expect no less with BMR.

[Agoge Warrior]

Hey....that's fine if ya'll are worried about BMR. I've got 10 sites I've posted BMR backlinks too and every page of every site is either on page 1 or pretty darn close!

This is normal. With every Google update comes changes in Page Rank. These BMR sites with good PR domains, now set up as blogs, still have the good backlinks pointing to them that helped that domain achieve it's good PR.
However, a Google update might have affected the backlinks pointing to the domain.
Yet, the PR will probably come back with the next Google update.

For those of you worried about your post falling off page 1 of the BMR site, I use Backlink Genie to post blog comments and forum profiles to every single one of my BMR blog post URL's so there are backlinks pointing to that specific post. And have seen very good indexing rates because of it.

So far, BMR is a huge part of my backlink strategy. And I'm not about to change unless I see something drastic occur. Which I have not seen. Actually, it's good to get some 0 PR posts. Makes the backlinks look natural in the eyes of Google.

Alot of you guys are missing the point totally. If you look at the overall big picture, I personally feel you are missing out on a great backlinking tool with BMR.
But that is fine if you want to quit using it. Just allows me to take more advantage of the network!

[packerfan]

Great point Agoge.

Like you I continue to see great results. Also, what I like about BMR is they are totally transparent with the PR. I've got a ton of links that the PR changed on, but at least they show it. Also, all the new links I've added are all PR1+.

Great service, great customer service, and they tell the truth. What's not to like?

[FredJones]

Yes they have been hit.

And no, don't worry simply keep posting on BMR - they do a great job of what they do.

Just that, don't make BMR the only source of backlinks. Add other sources too (other valuable article and blog sites, profiles, press releases etc) - that will diversify and solidify your overall position.

[OneManSEO]

I think people put too much emphasis on the PR of the blogs on BMR's ranking. I've seen no drops in my keywords across the board since the PR update, which tells me the power in BMR's service is not the high PR nature of their blogs, but rather the 95% indexing rate of each link.....

Either way, I'm still a big fan of BMR. Makes me job simpler...I like simplifying my job - allows me to do more work.

[TBInternetMarketing]

Originally Posted by OneManSEO

but rather the 95% indexing rate of each link.....

Exactly my sentiments. Other services get you hundreds of backlinks by clicking a few buttons, but often you will find only 5% of these links ever get found.

By using BMR, you are virtually hand-placing links back to your site, so you are in complete control over how many and anchor text etc.

[czb197]

I have also noticed a big hit on BMR blogs to day. I have been a member for only 2.5 months and had no PR0 blog listings, now I have 80 of 20% PR0 blogs with my articles.

I have noticed that the blogs have been active for less than 12 months and wonder why the drop? I know PR reviews are only about 4 times a year but does this mean that the other 80% will also fall to PR0 after they have been updated?

Does BMR buy high PR domains and turn them to blogs to get the quick high PR initially?

Does anyone know?

Thank you

Colin

[OneManSEO]

Originally Posted by czb197

I have also noticed a big hit on BMR blogs to day. I have been a member for only 2.5 months and had no PR0 blog listings, now I have 80 of 20% PR0 blogs with my articles.

I have noticed that the blogs have been active for less than 12 months and wonder why the drop? I know PR reviews are only about 4 times a year but does this mean that the other 80% will also fall to PR0 after they have been updated?

Does BMR buy high PR domains and turn them to blogs to get the quick high PR initially?

Does anyone know?

Thank you

Colin

Yes, they buy high PR domains and turn them into blogs. When Google updates their PR, I believe they slowly take down the PR0's and work on restoring the PR before re-adding it to the network. While they continue adding more high PR domains.

It's all a vicious cycle. People should recognize though that the real power of their service is the 95% indexing rate. The proof is in that I've had zero rankings go down since the PR update for any project, even the few that ONLY get BMR articles.

[czb197]

Originally Posted by OneManSEO

Yes, they buy high PR domains and turn them into blogs. When Google updates their PR, I believe they slowly take down the PR0's and work on restoring the PR before re-adding it to the network. While they continue adding more high PR domains.

It's all a vicious cycle. People should recognize though that the real power of their service is the 95% indexing rate. The proof is in that I've had zero rankings go down since the PR update for any project, even the few that ONLY get BMR articles.

I agree. I am staying for BMR.

I also received this response from John at BMR:

There was a large PR update over the past week and we had sites that lost their PR, and we had sites that increased their PR. Par for the course with an update like this.

Once that happens those sites are disabled from future posts, and of course we'll be adding more sites with PR over the coming months as we always do. Existing posts on these sites will remain as is. In the majority of cases, these now PR0 sites will reclaim their original PR in the next update.

I wouldn't get too caught up in PR values as this metric has long been discounted. Here's a recent article from Google:

(I may not post links until I have 15 posts, but link goes to googlewebmastercentral blogspot)


Best regards,

John
BuildMyRank.com

[spy590]

I have site that's been sitting between 4 and 7 on google for several months, and as of today it has taken a major hit. 200+ for my top three keywords. I used BMR heavily to launch this site, so it appears this latest PR shuffle nailed me.

I'll sit tight and let things settle. Up until now, I have had great results using BMR.

[czb197]

Originally Posted by spy590

I have site that's been sitting between 4 and 7 on google for several months, and as of today it has taken a major hit. 200+ for my top three keywords. I used BMR heavily to launch this site, so it appears this latest PR shuffle nailed me.

I'll sit tight and let things settle. Up until now, I have had great results using BMR.

That is a BIG drop! You are the first person I see experiencing that with BMR.

I will let you know if the same happens to me. I have 20 websites up with BMR, but use many link building strategies with each domain. Not just BMR.

[TBInternetMarketing]

Originally Posted by spy590

I have site that's been sitting between 4 and 7 on google for several months, and as of today it has taken a major hit. 200+ for my top three keywords. I used BMR heavily to launch this site, so it appears this latest PR shuffle nailed me.

I'll sit tight and let things settle. Up until now, I have had great results using BMR.

I'd be very surprised if this is the cause of your drop to be honest.
Unless you are in a super competitive niche like 'make money online' of course.
Are you sure you haven't just been hit by the Panda update?

[FredJones]

And that makes me go back to what I said - use the great thingy named BMR to its very best but never make that your only holy grail. Be wise. Diversify if you care about your business.

Originally Posted by spy590

I have site that's been sitting between 4 and 7 on google for several months, and as of today it has taken a major hit. 200+ for my top three keywords. I used BMR heavily to launch this site, so it appears this latest PR shuffle nailed me.

I'll sit tight and let things settle. Up until now, I have had great results using BMR.

[spy590]

Originally Posted by TBInternetMarketing

I'd be very surprised if this is the cause of your drop to be honest.
Unless you are in a super competitive niche like 'make money online' of course.
Are you sure you haven't just been hit by the Panda update?

It's hard to say for sure. The niche has low to moderate competition and all of my content is original stuff written by me. That being said, my other projects have consumed quite a bit of my time over the last few months and my content is getting a bit stale.

As far as BMR goes, I still like their service. Unfortunately, all of my BMR PR5 back links have been bumped down to PR4 and PR3. And according to Market Samurai, about 150 of my back links appear to have been removed from Majestic SEO's index.

If I find anything definitive, I will certainly report back here. The lesson to take away from this, as many others have stated, is to diversify that back link portfolio.

[akyyyy]

im now to BMR, in my dashboard it shows i have PR2-5. When i go to these pages they are PR0, and the main domain is PR2-5. Is this the same thing? Am i getting the PR of my post page or the main domain?

[czb197]

Originally Posted by akyyyy

im now to BMR, in my dashboard it shows i have PR2-5. When i go to these pages they are PR0, and the main domain is PR2-5. Is this the same thing? Am i getting the PR of my post page or the main domain?

Your article is basically a new page on a blog with page rank 2-5. Because your page is a new page, your page will be PR0. But because the blog has page rank your new page will get some 'link juice' from this. With time your page might get PR as well.

When your new article is posted, it will be posted on the home page of the blog. So you will get PR2-5, but for a short while. The reason is that your post will move off the home page to make space for new pages.

I have been very happy with BMR so far and you should see good results.

Hope that helps.

[Tony W]

BMR is great for ranking pages. I've gotten many long tail keywords with 200-1k monthly searching to #1 using a few BMR posts : )

[akyyyy]

Originally Posted by czb197

Your article is basically a new page on a blog with page rank 2-5. Because your page is a new page, your page will be PR0. But because the blog has page rank your new page will get some 'link juice' from this. With time your page might get PR as well.

When your new article is posted, it will be posted on the home page of the blog. So you will get PR2-5, but for a short while. The reason is that your post will move off the home page to make space for new pages.

I have been very happy with BMR so far and you should see good results.

Hope that helps.

ya all my pages after 2-3 days are PR0, and my links are not showing up on market samurai yet. when they do, they'll show up as pr0? if so, whats the point paying for the links if they are pr0?

on my dashboard it says i have pr3,4,5 but those are obviously the domains.

im going to try out BMR for a month or 2, will go from there.

[Guru SEO]

This make's me think of when I go to a party, I try not to bring to many friends. If you do, you end up competing with your friends and all the men at the party for all the girls. If the ratio of post/domains in BMR network is too high, your chances of having your site indexed on the first page of that domain are lower. This said I do not have the service, I use Filipino power one of my friends was asking me to have a look at his account and I saw a dozen first pages for around 210 post. This said, his ranking are improving and I personally think that these links are better than a profile link or a comment link of equal PR. I also told him to have a diverse linking strategy in case big G wakes up.

[TBInternetMarketing]

I haven't really noticed that I must say. I've even got a few PR5 backlinks recently, which I never got before.

[czb197]

I have been with BMR for 8 months now with 1992 post to date.

I have found that when I add a website to BMR the ranking shoot up in the first 3-6 months. It will get you to page 1, but then it becomes a none mover and the BMR effect dies.

So what I do is add my website to BMR for 3-6 months and then replace it with another website. The website that is removed I will do blog commenting and ALN blog posts.

It is best to have a variety of type of links and not use BMR only for rankings.

PS. Something else about BMR. I have 529 PR0 of the 1992 links. Some of the blogs lose the PR after an update by G. Normally every 3 to 4 months. But I have not seen lose of rankings in SERPs because of this.

[patco]

It is time for another "great" project. Forget about BMR

[simonrv]

Even though some of their websites dropped PR, I believe BMR is still strong. I some dropped PR, I know some also increased

[halfpoint]

Every single high PR network in existence will have domains that lose PR from time to time.

It is the very nature of high PR networks and it will not change.

As long as the networks in question are continually replacing and/or adding new domains with PR (Which BMR does on a regular basis) all is well.