Building Your Establishing Your Own High PR Sites For Backlinking - ADVICE?

[tiger1]

I have seen it mentioned in a couple of posts that a great way to have consistent high quality backlinks is to just have several of your own websites or blogs and build their PR so you can just use those sites for backlinking purposes.

It seems like more work up front but a lot easier down the road once it is established, especially if you are focusing on low to medium competition keywords that usually only require a few high quality links.

Any advice on how to do this, the best way to accomplish it and how long it typically takes? Seems like a blog would be the easiest.

[mark@1to101]

My advice would be...

1) Buy expired domains (you can get them from GoDaddy) that ideally have PR and/or backlinks.

2) Host the domains across different hosting companies, or at least different IPs.

3) Put wordpress on each of the domains.

4) Use BlogBot or Article Marketing Robot to post articles on your sites with links in them to your money sites.

It does take a while to get up and running but the long term benefits are good.

[MikeFriedman]

A couple of things.

First of all, you need the sites hosted on different C-class IP's to make it most effective, so you will have to buy SEO hosting or a separate hosting account from several hosting providers.

Second, you can create your own sites and build up their authority and pagerank to do this, but that can take months to a year to accomplish.

A shortcut is to buy aged domains with already established higher PR. Just be careful. You will want to check the domains at rankchecker.com to make sure the PR is not faked and I would run the domain through whois.domaintools.com to see that the domain has never been dropped.

This "shortcut" can still take some time to find good sites, but it is a lot faster than building up your own sites.

Either way, depending how many sites you are planning on creating, it will take some money to build. For 10-15 sites on different IP's, expect to pay $40-50 a month for webhosting. Buying 10 domains is going to run you anywhere from $125 - 400 or more depending on what PR you are after. Then you also have to buy WhoIs privacy for each domain so that you don't leave a giant footprint behind. That would be another $100 or so for 10 sites.

Hope that helps.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

My advice would be...

1) Buy expired domains (you can get them from GoDaddy) that ideally have PR and/or backlinks.

2) Host the domains across different hosting companies, or at least different IPs.

3) Put wordpress on each of the domains.

4) Use BlogBot or Article Marketing Automation to post articles on your sites with links in them to your money sites.

It does take a while to get up and running but the long term benefits are good.

Good advice, but I don't like this part. I do a mix of Wordpress and plain HTML sites. Again, the less of a footprint you leave the better. The HTML can be a little more of a pain to update, but it is worth it because...

...I don't want "articles" posted on my sites. I want links on the front page, the page that contains the PR. Not a PR 0 post page.

[mark@1to101]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

...I don't want "articles" posted on my sites. I want links on the front page, the page that contains the PR. Not a PR 0 post page.

It depends how many sites you want to link out to. If you have a 100 or so sites that you want to link out to then you would have to put 100 links on your homepage, which I don't think is a wise move.

I think it's also good to regularly update sites with new content. A site with lots of articles (not in obvious the format of an article directory) is a better long term prospect than a never updated homepage with a bunch of links on it.

You can use plugins to rotate which posts and pages show up on the homepage so you can keep link juice flowing around older articles. Or, why not mix it up? Some articles and some blogroll style links on the homepage?

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

It depends how many sites you want to link out to. If you have a 100 or so sites that you want to link out to then you would have to put 100 links on your homepage, which I don't think is a wise move.

I think it's also good to regularly update sites with new content. A site with lots of articles (not in obvious the format of an article directory) is a better long term prospect than a never updated homepage with a bunch of links on it.

You can use plugins to rotate which posts and pages show up on the homepage so you can keep link juice flowing around older articles. Or, why not mix it up? Some articles and some blogroll style links on the homepage?

If that's the model you want to run, have at it.

However, if you want a bunch of PR 0 backlinks, just submit articles to the thousands of article directories that are already out there. No sense in wasting money on your own domains and hosting.

Having a bunch of homepages that is are updated regularly will in no way harm this type of network. For one, you are not trying to rank the sites contained in the network. Also, it is a complete myth that a site needs to be updated regularly to rank anyhow.

And nobody said anything about posting 100 links on one page. That would be stupid. I would keep the links much lower than that. Most of mine have no more than 20-30 outbound links. You also don't have to put a link on each site in the network to a website you are trying to rank. For example, if you have a network of 50 sites, you can just put a link on half of them or less. In fact, this is what you should do. You don't want to create 50 sites that are all linking to the exact same pages.

I don't like the idea of using plugins to rotate which posts show up on the first page either. All that is going to potentially do is make your sites rankings bounce around.

[JSProjects]

It just seems like too much work, IMO. There are plenty of other ways to create backlinks that don't take as much time, or cost as much.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by JSProjects

It just seems like too much work, IMO. There are plenty of other ways to create backlinks that don't take as much time, or cost as much.

There is cost and time upfront, but after that it is well worth the money.

How else are you going to get 15 backlinks from the homepages of PR 3 domains that each have less than 20 outgoing backlinks? I can do that in about 10-15 minutes.

It really depends on your business model. For one thing, I'm impatient. I do not like waiting for months to establish good rankings. Having your own high PR network, cuts down that time considerably for most niches.

Also, I like to be able to show my SEO clients a return on their investment ASAP. I'll still take the time to build link pyramids, do blog commenting, social bookmarking, etc., but I can jumpstart their rankings with good quality, high PR backlinks quickly.

If you are in offline marketing at all, a private network will let you get your clients #1 rankings in their market really fast. Unless you are in New York City or some gigantic market like that, none of their competitors are working with anyone that has a private link network.

I have one client right now that owns 5-6 of the top 10 spots for 6 different keywords in their market. That was achieved in about 30 days.

So yes, there are plenty of other ways to get backlinks, but if you like quality over quantity, you might want to consider a private network.

[mark@1to101]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

If that's the model you want to run, have at it.

It's a model that I've been using and benefiting from for around a year now.

As always with seo and linkbuilding, there's multiple approaches that work.

You made some wrong assumptions about what I'm doing and how the model works, but nevermind.

To anyone else reading, it's a system that works, as I'm sure Mike's works too.

[Andrew S]

if you are regging expires, making them all wordpress blogs, and not using the old archived content when its there you're doing it wrong

jus sayin

[massivemarketing]

Web 2.0 properties gain PR over time too, just don't start placing links in (or backlinking to them) them too soon or they might get removed. This is much cheaper and quicker than setting a High PR homepage backlinks network. I would take time in building them up and while your waiting for them to "grow" PR, subscribe to a high PR homepage network. You can get 60 high PR homepage contextual links for like 70USD a month which is the same cost as getting a VPS with 15 c class IP's. Setting up your own network only makes sense if you are providing SEO for your clients.

[FreeMeal]

Can you use free blogs such as Blogger etc with this system? Would that be a cheaper but just as effective option?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Good advice, but I don't like this part. I do a mix of Wordpress and plain HTML sites. Again, the less of a footprint you leave the better. The HTML can be a little more of a pain to update, but it is worth it because...

...I don't want "articles" posted on my sites. I want links on the front page, the page that contains the PR. Not a PR 0 post page.

I'll go with Mike on this one except it isn't one bit of a pain If you use dreamweaver or MS expression. Open your site put in what you want and publish to web - done. If I went this route I would never want all of one kind of site pointing at my sites. I've become sick and tired of Wordpress for everything.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by JSProjects

It just seems like too much work, IMO. There are plenty of other ways to create backlinks that don't take as much time, or cost as much.

and that is why 90+% of people in IM fail. Their criteria is how much they will have to work rather than what is the most effective. Your second sentence is just wrong anyway. Where are the other ways to create backlinks with actual PR that take little time or money? The only easy push button backlink is either PR 0 or NAs or blog comments where the outbound links may go into the hundreds over time

[OneManSEO]

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

It depends how many sites you want to link out to. If you have a 100 or so sites that you want to link out to then you would have to put 100 links on your homepage, which I don't think is a wise move.

I think it's also good to regularly update sites with new content. A site with lots of articles (not in obvious the format of an article directory) is a better long term prospect than a never updated homepage with a bunch of links on it.

You can use plugins to rotate which posts and pages show up on the homepage so you can keep link juice flowing around older articles. Or, why not mix it up? Some articles and some blogroll style links on the homepage?

I agree. I am setting my own up and my test article and domain was indexed with all anchor texts I used ranked onto first page of Google with just that one backlink each. I used an indexing service too, but still....powerful stuff. I'm definitely excited.

[OneManSEO]

Originally Posted by FreeMeal

Can you use free blogs such as Blogger etc with this system? Would that be a cheaper but just as effective option?

In my preliminary testing, the free wordpress and blogger blogs do work - just not as well as a real domain. I estimate it would take twice as much content/backlinks as regular domains.

I may be underestimating...I got one page two ranking out of two articles/backlinks from two separate free blog sites. I got 4 page 1 rankings out of two articles on two separate regular domain sites.

Of course, that was only within 24 hours of publishing the posts.

[ARVolund]

Originally Posted by JSProjects

It just seems like too much work, IMO. There are plenty of other ways to create backlinks that don't take as much time, or cost as much.

Maybe so if you only have a site or two and the income is not there to support a network but if you have a lot of sites having your own network can be very effective.

The only advice I see that I would disagree with is going after dropped domains. Personally I try and get older ones when possible. They are a bit more expensive but domains that are at least a year old seem to be more effective. Not saying I never use dropped domains if a good deal comes along but I do target domains older than a year as a rule and I have some that are 10 years old.

Another thing is not just think that since the domain has PR you are good to go. You should backlink both the post page and main page using the keywords you are trying to rank for. I have some sites on my network where the internal pages have their own PR.

[JackPowers]

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

My advice would be...

1) Buy expired domains (you can get them from GoDaddy) that ideally have PR and/or backlinks.

2) Host the domains across different hosting companies, or at least different IPs.

3) Put wordpress on each of the domains.

4) Use BlogBot or Article Marketing Automation to post articles on your sites with links in them to your money sites.

It does take a while to get up and running but the long term benefits are good.

This, but I would strongly advice people to put up content and flesh out their sites into 'real' sites.

Don't get me wrong, I have these kind of sites myself, but you just know Google will eventually have to take action against them. These sites are in direct violation with 'do not buy/sell links for manipulating with Page Rank'. As of now, expired domains have become so costly that it simply puts a damper on how many people can buy them. However, renting links on such networks have become big business now and Google will have to deal with them at some point.

If you buy expired domains and make them into real sites, you have the chance of proofing them for the long term and they can be used both to make a dollar and for link exchanges.

[mark@1to101]

Originally Posted by JackPowers

This, but I would strongly advice people to put up content and flesh out their sites into 'real' sites.

I agree. Use a decent theme, create a logo, add a picture or two, write an about us section, etc.

Although I use Wordpress for all of my sites, it's hard to tell that most of them are blogs.

Also, don't put any ads on them, and don't use Analytics or Webmaster Tools for them.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by massivemarketing

Web 2.0 properties gain PR over time too, just don't start placing links in (or backlinking to them) them too soon or they might get removed. This is much cheaper and quicker than setting a High PR homepage backlinks network. I would take time in building them up and while your waiting for them to "grow" PR, subscribe to a high PR homepage network. You can get 60 high PR homepage contextual links for like 70USD a month which is the same cost as getting a VPS with 15 c class IP's. Setting up your own network only makes sense if you are providing SEO for your clients.

Yes, building up Web 2.0 properties is a cheaper short-term option, but you are taking a huge risk. Why take the time to build up a property that you do not own and could be taken away from you at any moment?

You can find stories all over the place of Wordpress or Tumblr sites being shutdown without warning.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ARVolund

The only advice I see that I would disagree with is going after dropped domains. Personally I try and get older ones when possible. They are a bit more expensive but domains that are at least a year old seem to be more effective. Not saying I never use dropped domains if a good deal comes along but I do target domains older than a year as a rule and I have some that are 10 years old.

No one was referring to dropped names. they mentioned expired or to be more accurate expiring. Not the same thing. Essentially you pick them up BEFORE they drop.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by JackPowers

This, but I would strongly advice people to put up content and flesh out their sites into 'real' sites.

Don't get me wrong, I have these kind of sites myself, but you just know Google will eventually have to take action against them.

If you are building real sites with fleshed out content then linking to your other properties is no different than Microsoft.com linking to Silverlight.net or MSN.com. There are millions of pages from businesses where there is a link to either a partner or sister site. If Google considers those linked relationships as bought then most of the web is running on bought links (which is probably the case anyway)

[OneManSEO]

Originally Posted by JackPowers

This, but I would strongly advice people to put up content and flesh out their sites into 'real' sites.

Don't get me wrong, I have these kind of sites myself, but you just know Google will eventually have to take action against them. These sites are in direct violation with 'do not buy/sell links for manipulating with Page Rank'. As of now, expired domains have become so costly that it simply puts a damper on how many people can buy them. However, renting links on such networks have become big business now and Google will have to deal with them at some point.

If you buy expired domains and make them into real sites, you have the chance of proofing them for the long term and they can be used both to make a dollar and for link exchanges.

I am on point with you view. I considered going the cheap route and creating one article and spinning them for cheap distribution across my network - but I hate spun crap and if I work towards turning those blogs into themed websites I can likely enjoy the juice for a much longer period of time. Google should crack down on these private networks, but if I'm providing useful theme-specific content with some backlinks then I think I am doing more to provide the 'net a service than serving my own selfish needs.