Thoughts on the 'sandbox'

timpears · 07-06-2011, 04:03 PM

I have never really bought into the sandbox theory. Not sure why, just never bought the argument. But a friend of mine swears that it happens to sites.

I have a site in the mortgage niche, and I have thrown thousands of links at it and as best as I can tell, still don't even show up in the top 100 pages of Google. I can only search the top 50 with Traffic Travis free version and it doesn't show me anywhere. Even with all these links and article marketing.

So my question is, are the pages I have the links pointing to been sand boxed, or the site itself. I am having some more articles written and I wonder if it is worth publishing them to this same site, which MAY be sand boxed? or should I register a new domain and start over? I only have a few articles on this site currently. But I am wondering if I can get the new articles listed or if they will be sand boxed because they are on the same site?

I still don't know if I believe the sand box theory as it just doesn't make sense to me. But then a lot of things about Google don't make sens to me either, so who knows?

creativeway · 07-06-2011, 04:37 PM

Hey timpears,

Your sites are not sand boxed, there is no such thing.

Simply because if that were the case then competitors would be buying bad links or whatever for your site to get them sand boxed.

Anything a competitor could do to harm your website will NEVER be penalize by Google.

However, things like Hidden Text, Alt Image spamming, Meta tag stuffing, Title tag stuffing could get your website banned. So, if your not doing that then you probably just need to keep building back links everyday.

Hogan

Murt@gh · 07-06-2011, 04:41 PM

The sandbox doesn't exist.

Fire some more high quality links at it, make sure the on-page SEO is done and that varied anchor text can be used on your backlinks wherever possible.

timpears · 07-06-2011, 05:20 PM

I agree the sand box is a fiction, but who knows with Google.

If you are right, then it is taking a hell of a lot of back links to even get into the top 100 pages. I know this is a competitive niche, but geez. My on page is lacking I am sure, but I am going to concentrate more on that with these new articles. I installed Clickbumps plugin to help me.

Mike Grant · 07-06-2011, 06:34 PM

Serious lols @ those saying the sandbox doesn't exist.

packerfan · 07-06-2011, 06:39 PM

Sometimes I wish I didn't provide BMR posts, because it seems like I'm pimping their service just because I sell posts...

Anyway, I have great luck staying out of the sandbox (real or fake) by using build my rank. I have sites that have 100% links from BMR and they've never been sandboxed.

Make sure you get some good links one way or another and keep building links. Eventually you'll come out of the "box".

Also, make sure your on-page is spot on. Give yourself every chance to be successful.

RevSEO · 07-06-2011, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Serious lols @ those saying the sandbox doesn't exist.

Seriously

Sandbox does exist. You'll just need to continue building links to your site. Don't forget that there are internal pages on your website as well! Far too often newbies simply build links to the homepage for one or two keywords and NEVER build any links to internal links/posts. How natural is that?

07-06-2011, 04:03 PM	#1
timpears Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 3,500 Thanks: 327 Thanked 584 Times in 408 Posts	Thoughts on the 'sandbox' I have never really bought into the sandbox theory. Not sure why, just never bought the argument. But a friend of mine swears that it happens to sites. I have a site in the mortgage niche, and I have thrown thousands of links at it and as best as I can tell, still don't even show up in the top 100 pages of Google. I can only search the top 50 with Traffic Travis free version and it doesn't show me anywhere. Even with all these links and article marketing. So my question is, are the pages I have the links pointing to been sand boxed, or the site itself. I am having some more articles written and I wonder if it is worth publishing them to this same site, which MAY be sand boxed? or should I register a new domain and start over? I only have a few articles on this site currently. But I am wondering if I can get the new articles listed or if they will be sand boxed because they are on the same site? I still don't know if I believe the sand box theory as it just doesn't make sense to me. But then a lot of things about Google don't make sens to me either, so who knows?
	Tim Pears

07-06-2011, 04:37 PM	#2
creativeway SEO Expert War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 186 Thanks: 28 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Thoughts on the 'sandbox' Hey timpears, Your sites are not sand boxed, there is no such thing. Simply because if that were the case then competitors would be buying bad links or whatever for your site to get them sand boxed. Anything a competitor could do to harm your website will NEVER be penalize by Google. However, things like Hidden Text, Alt Image spamming, Meta tag stuffing, Title tag stuffing could get your website banned. So, if your not doing that then you probably just need to keep building back links everyday. Hogan
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07-06-2011, 04:41 PM	#3
Murt@gh Warrior Spirit War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 214 Thanks: 39 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Thoughts on the 'sandbox' The sandbox doesn't exist. Fire some more high quality links at it, make sure the on-page SEO is done and that varied anchor text can be used on your backlinks wherever possible.

07-06-2011, 05:20 PM	#4
timpears Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 3,500 Thanks: 327 Thanked 584 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Thoughts on the 'sandbox' I agree the sand box is a fiction, but who knows with Google. If you are right, then it is taking a hell of a lot of back links to even get into the top 100 pages. I know this is a competitive niche, but geez. My on page is lacking I am sure, but I am going to concentrate more on that with these new articles. I installed Clickbumps plugin to help me.
	Tim Pears

07-06-2011, 06:34 PM	#5
Mike Grant Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,935 Thanks: 106 Thanked 269 Times in 201 Posts Contact Info	Re: Thoughts on the 'sandbox' Serious lols @ those saying the sandbox doesn't exist.
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